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Was having a discussion with someone and can?t seem to find the answer. Does E470 put a lein on a car title or just the registration if you fail to pay.
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I just thought they go to a collections agency
Not that i know of but they can block you from renewing your registration, my nephew found that out the hard way.
Well here it is straight form E470:
https://www.e-470.com/Pages/PayingTolls/Toll-Violations.aspx
https://www.e-470.com/Documents/VRH%20Brochure.pdf
BPTactical
11-29-2019, 13:07
All the more reason to stay off that roadway.
BushMasterBoy
11-29-2019, 13:45
E-470 has extremely deceptive business practices. They mailed me a bill that arrived one day before penalties were to accrue. Total alpha hotels.
The state conspires with the corporation to deprive you.
They block registration.
I do believe you can get an exemption if you are military deployed, from penalties.
My advice is just pay them. Just like a whore.
The window installers left my switchable HOV pass on my old windshield so I had to pay a fee times before I ordered a new one. Very upsetting.
asystejs
11-29-2019, 18:00
The E470 scanners never recognize the windshield tag in my wifes Subaru.
The old transponders always worked.
The e470 cameras cant see my tags on my truck. It is mounted below the spare tire carrier and I dont have a front plate. Nice when I go to the airport from the south.
E-470 has extremely deceptive business practices. They mailed me a bill that arrived one day before penalties were to accrue. Total alpha hotels.
The state conspires with the corporation to deprive you.
They block registration.
I do believe you can get an exemption if you are military deployed, from penalties.
My advice is just pay them. Just like a whore.
Send bill with payment along with the original envelope showing when it was sent. If they hassle you with late fees, you have a legitimate case for fraud.
BushMasterBoy
11-29-2019, 19:24
Send bill with payment along with the original envelope showing when it was sent. If they hassle you with late fees, you have a legitimate case for fraud.
I paid it by phone. By credit card. eff them & the scumbag politicians that made them possible.
The e470 cameras cant see my tags on my truck. It is mounted below the spare tire carrier and I dont have a front plate. Nice when I go to the airport from the south.
e470 authority hating aside, do you think stealing from the rest of us that use e470 is cool?
e470 authority hating aside, do you think stealing from the rest of us that use e470 is cool?
Its like once every 2-3 years. And I am not taking money from anyone. Cars do no damage to pavement, and there is no congestion on e470.
GilpinGuy
11-30-2019, 00:48
E-470 has extremely deceptive business practices. They mailed me a bill that arrived one day before penalties were to accrue. Total alpha hotels.
The state conspires with the corporation to deprive you.
They block registration.
I do believe you can get an exemption if you are military deployed, from penalties.
My advice is just pay them. Just like a whore.
This made me LOL, and I agree. I did get a bill once and there was no way I drove on E-470 at that time. Turns out, after a few calls and hassle, that it was an AZ plate with my exact same plate #. Wasn't worth my time to make all the calls and shit, but it felt good to jam it up their ass.
GilpinGuy
11-30-2019, 01:02
e470 authority hating aside, do you think stealing from the rest of us that use e470 is cool?
I have a bit of a controversial take on this, maybe. F-the state that extorts, whoops....I mean collects as "tax revenue", a usury amount of money from me in the form taxes. If they can't see his license plate with their surveillance system, f-them. Get better cameras so you can steal some more. Eric isn't stealing from US, he's just not voluntarily allowing the State to steal his money. As long as what he's doing isn't illegal.....go for it. IDK, is a front plate required in CO? Probably. Easier to watch your every move that way.
I have a bit of a controversial take on this, maybe. F-the state that extorts, whoops....I mean collects as "tax revenue", a usury amount of money from me in the form taxes. If they can't see his license plate with their surveillance system, f-them. Get better cameras so you can steal some more. Eric isn't stealing from US, he's just not voluntarily allowing the State to steal his money. As long as what he's doing isn't illegal.....go for it. IDK, is a front plate required in CO? Probably. Easier to watch your every move that way.
I haven't run a front plate on my 2003 car since new. Got ticketed once for it parked on a street in "Denver" while working at St. Joe's Hospital. Been pulled over by patrol officers who never questioned it once.
I don't disagree with the basic premise that the e470 toll authority, and every other public/private toll organization in this state is a crime against the good citizens of Colorado, but I have to imagine that this is akin to shoplifting where we all get to cover that by paying higher rates. Sure, it's probably minimal, but it's more the principal of it to me.
How would you feel about a motorist that switches the same plate between different vehicles, while the rest of us continue to get ass raped on registration fees? Is that OK?
GilpinGuy
11-30-2019, 01:43
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How would you feel about a motorist that switches the same plate between different vehicles, while the rest of us continue to get ass raped on registration fees? Is that OK?
Switching plates would be totally illegal. I want to be clear here, for the MODs especially. I am not promoting any illegal activity. But if you can do something legally to deny the State from stealing your hard earned money, by all means go for it. Just like a tax deduction.
And as for the ass raping, we just bought a used 2018 SUV a few months ago. Newest vehicle I've ever owned in my 50 years on Earth. The registration fee, or "privilege to own a vehicle extortion" was $908. Just to "own" the vehicle. AYFKM? This shit is out of control.
Colorado0321
11-30-2019, 07:12
I have a bit of a controversial take on this, maybe. F-the state that extorts, whoops....I mean collects as "tax revenue", a usury amount of money from me in the form taxes. If they can't see his license plate with their surveillance system, f-them. Get better cameras so you can steal some more. Eric isn't stealing from US, he's just not voluntarily allowing the State to steal his money. As long as what he's doing isn't illegal.....go for it. IDK, is a front plate required in CO? Probably. Easier to watch your every move that way.
Not controversial at all, especially when you consider all the revenue the state takes in already. It's pretty ridiculous that we even have toll roads at all and it is nothing more than another way for the gov to milk the taxpayers.
I sometimes pray to the ghost of Heemeyer that he may return with his blessed Killdozer and take out all the cameras on that road and the 25.
BPTactical
11-30-2019, 09:21
And as for the ass raping, we just bought a used 2018 SUV a few months ago. Newest vehicle I've ever owned in my 50 years on Earth. The registration fee, or "privilege to own a vehicle extortion" was $908. Just to "own" the vehicle. AYFKM? This shit is out of control.
I feel your pain, we bought a travel trailer 2 years ago in September. The temp expired mid October, by then it is winterized, covered and parked for the winter. I figured why plate it, I will wait until spring- i knew there would be late fees but they cant go over $100 right?
Error, error.
Bastards back charged me from October to March when I got the plates. Originally the plates would have been $275 but they were now $650.
I asked what was going to happen when I finally plate my 70 Nova that has been parked in my garage for 10 years.
"Oh, you will ONLY be charged for the previous years "road use" fees."
"But it didnt "use the road" the previous years......."
Blank look.
Makes buying a lot in WY and registering all of my vehicles there pretty damn attractive.
Great-Kazoo
11-30-2019, 09:48
I feel your pain, we bought a travel trailer 2 years ago in September. The temp expired mid October, by then it is winterized, covered and parked for the winter. I figured why plate it, I will wait until spring- i knew there would be late fees but they cant go over $100 right?
Error, error.
Bastards back charged me from October to March when I got the plates. Originally the plates would have been $275 but they were now $650.
I asked what was going to happen when I finally plate my 70 Nova that has been parked in my garage for 10 years.
"Oh, you will ONLY be charged for the previous years "road use" fees."
"But it didnt "use the road" the previous years......."
Blank look.
Makes buying a lot in WY and registering all of my vehicles there pretty damn attractive.
Had a new, as in never titled trailer we used for storage. Called dmv for temp plates, said it's been in storage for X years. They said well there's original tax & plates PLUS number of years not registered. Like you it was high, only closer to $1k.
Went back to place we purchased trailer, was explaining to guy we were moving OOS and..... He says. Let me guess you'd like a temp tag? Sure, ok here ya go. Tossed him a $50 and said buy lunch.
Keep ins coverage on them and use our address. Trailers are a 1x fee with a PERMANENT tag. Cost $140 forever tag that was almost 10x less than what CO said i would have to pay for a temp tag.
Great-Kazoo
11-30-2019, 09:55
This made me LOL, and I agree. I did get a bill once and there was no way I drove on E-470 at that time. Turns out, after a few calls and hassle, that it was an AZ plate with my exact same plate #. Wasn't worth my time to make all the calls and shit, but it felt good to jam it up their ass.
We received a "Bill" that was forwarded from the old CO address date of use was 10/18 Called them and said there was a mistake as we were not in the state at that time.
Can you prove it? Sure , first i'd like to see a photo of said lic plate, not some letter. Besides i have a copy of my AZ title for that vehicle, dated 30 days prior to this bill. Umm ok, click.
They've become the Heather from Vehicle Warranty, scam.
If we're talking about RV's and reg fees in general now, I too have felt the pinch of the ridiculous Co State roads and bridges fees and registration like everyone else. Before we traded it in on a new 2018, my old 2004 5th wheel registration was more than my 2004 truck. FFS, I bought them both in the same month and the truck MSRP was damn sure more than the RV. The RV only gets out on the road 5-6 times a year on average so WTF?
Is it because it doesn't have to pay the taxes on fuel?
Then what about EV's? Did I see something in one of the long EV argument threads that EV registration had a built in extra charge to offset the lack of gas taxes paid?
Funny, I’ve been using E-470 2x a day M-F for over 15yrs and never had a problem with them. If I did have a discrepancy and needed to make contact, they were always helpful and prompt ����♂️
Funny, I’ve been using E-470 2x a day M-F for over 15yrs and never had a problem with them. If I did have a discrepancy and needed to make contact, they were always helpful and prompt ����♂️
That's pretty much been my experience.
newracer
11-30-2019, 14:32
I also have never had a problem with them.
A front plate is required in CO so technically Eric P is breaking the law.
Only Denver parking enforces that though.
DenverGP
11-30-2019, 14:43
Only Denver parking enforces that though.
Oh hell yeah, the denver parking people must just spend all day driving around looking for no front plate. Didn't have a front plate on my car for 4 years, never had an issue. Parked it downtown and it had a ticket within an hour.
My son had some unpaid E-470 tolls that he never received the bill for (they were still going to an old address even though he had updated the address on his registration). It started as about $20 in tolls, ended up at $120 including fees and bill collector bullshit. He called and bitched at them a bunch, and finally one of the customer service people said he could waive all the fees, etc, if he agreed to sign up for express toll and pre-paid the standard required starting balance. Not sure why it took several days of phone calls to offer that option.
newracer
11-30-2019, 14:57
Only Denver parking enforces that though.
I got pulled over for it in Larimer County, only received a warning.
Same, just fishing. I got pulled over in Wheat Ridge in high school; just a warning, and only because it was sideways and only secured with one bolt.
I am cheap. I dont do tolls.
I was unhappy when they changed the policy years back that I need a transponder for HOV as well.
Aloha_Shooter
12-02-2019, 10:27
Had a new, as in never titled trailer we used for storage. Called dmv for temp plates, said it's been in storage for X years. They said well there's original tax & plates PLUS number of years not registered. Like you it was high, only closer to $1k.
When I was active in Scouting, our troop had a trailer that was never used. They parked it on my property until they could figure out what to do with it. 4 years later when I was retiring from Scouting and wanted it off my lawn, we had to get plates. I explained the situation to the El Paso Clerk and Recorder's Office and they suggested the following:
1. Transfer title from the troop to me.
2. Plate the trailer in my name -- no back fees because it's a new registration.
3. Transfer title from me back to the troop.
I forget how much it cost, think less than $100 all told.
When I was active in Scouting, our troop had a trailer that was never used. They parked it on my property until they could figure out what to do with it. 4 years later when I was retiring from Scouting and wanted it off my lawn, we had to get plates. I explained the situation to the El Paso Clerk and Recorder's Office and they suggested the following:
1. Transfer title from the troop to me.
2. Plate the trailer in my name -- no back fees because it's a new registration.
3. Transfer title from me back to the troop.
I forget how much it cost, think less than $100 all told.
That might work with a $500 trailer.
Unfortunately, you cannot simply sell for $1 and expect to not pay. CO DMV charges based on original MSRP, pro-rated down through the years. Perhaps on something really really old that might work. You'll only avoid those back fees.
BTW, WTF happened to the "maximum $100" that was supposed to be?
That might work with a $500 trailer.
Unfortunately, you cannot simply sell for $1 and expect to not pay. CO DMV charges based on original MSRP, pro-rated down through the years. Perhaps on something really really old that might work. You'll only avoid those back fees.
BTW, WTF happened to the "maximum $100" that was supposed to be?
For reference:
I just plated a 2000 Chevy Silverado in Arapahoe Cty.
Sale price reported on the title was $1000. Ownership tax was $3 (typical for age). State sales tax was $29. Total was $193-ish, out the door.
I'm fairly confident that the amount of sales tax would have increased proportionally to the sale price. Also, there was a ~$10 fee (going off memory here) for "age of vehicle add-on fee", or some such nonsense.
I, like the rest of you, find all the nonsense fees and charges ridiculous, but getting out of the DMV for under $200 (and less than 15 minutes) was almost pleasant.
Btw, I've had a clerk explain that if your registration is 12 months or less late, it will only renew to the original expiration date... e.g. if you are 11 months late registering, and pay $600 to renew, it will last exactly..... one flipping month - then you owe another $600.
But, if you wait until the 13th month, and renew, then it goes to the anniversary + one year. For the same price, you can get something like 23 months of registration. Now, I might have misunderstood it and it might just add 12 months, but I'm 99% that happened previously when I renewed my old cycle... pretty sure I got something like 17-18 months, but it was a few years late.
So yeah, over here on this side of the state, you can bet a lot of my stuff goes to about 14 months expired. Gotta love the genius of this state, punishing late, but rewarding "later".
hurley842002
12-02-2019, 17:03
Somewhat off topic, but my tags expired in November (I milk the one month grace period, so good through December), but I'm likely moving out of state in February or March, I'm assuming they refund me? Or how does that work?
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Pfft. I?d take my chances and drive with expired plates for a couple of months.
Aloha_Shooter
12-02-2019, 17:34
That might work with a $500 trailer.
Unfortunately, you cannot simply sell for $1 and expect to not pay. CO DMV charges based on original MSRP, pro-rated down through the years. Perhaps on something really really old that might work. You'll only avoid those back fees.
My point was providing a workaround for all the back fees for unregistered years. When you finally do register it, the fees for that year will be based on CO DMV's formula for adjusted MSRP but they won't charge back fees for unregistered years since it's a transfer. When the title is transferred again, they've already collected the fees on the vehicle for that year (then again, with the Democrats in charge, they very well might want to charge again). If that's the case, wait until the following year's registration to transfer again. Of course, this only works if you have someone you trust (like a spouse) to hold the title and registration.
hurley842002
12-02-2019, 18:01
Pfft. I?d take my chances and drive with expired plates for a couple of months.
Believe me that crossed my mind, under the guise of not trust the state to get my money to me.
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Drilldov2.0
12-02-2019, 20:30
I pay online for expresstoll. Funny thing is before I bought my truck this year, the expresstoll collection people (linebarger goggan blair & sampson) were sending me bills for my previous truck. It always had a company rfid from them on the company account. I got a bill for $600+. Funny thing is that truck was never in my name. I challenged them on it. I got my first expresstoll account when I purchased my new truck. I always carry a credit and rarely use the toll road. Lo' and behold I got a bill recently with late charges from linescammers for my new truck. I called Expresstoll and still had a credit. So I sent the scammers a letter and haven't heard from them since. If they report a collection on me I will refute it with all of the agencies and file a fraud suit against them.
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