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There is an active shooter situation unfolding in Jersey City on Tuesday afternoon. The incident began around 12:40 p.m. local time.
According to scanner traffic, two gunmen are firing at police officers and random people. The gunmen are reportedly shooting from inside a bodega.
.455_Hunter
12-10-2019, 13:28
Active shooter or robbery gone bad?
Oh wait, I forgot- EVERY shooting incident is an active shooter event until disappointingly proven otherwise.
BPTactical
12-10-2019, 13:46
But Jersey laws are already in place to prevent such acts right?
Right?
Maybe this headline is better?:
Well-Regulated Militia Opens Fire In Jersey City; Cheap Thoughts And Useless Prayers Now Being Rushed To The Scene ... more on this soon-to-be-forgotten-and-then-repeated story as it develops ...
This is a good post. Also, if at the time or the reporting it's an active incident, the perp is indeed an active shooter. It's a bad look to see a report about cops and innocent bystanders being fired upon and to respond about how active shooter is an incorrect term or that shooting at people/having whatever gun in Jersey is already illegal.
.455_Hunter
12-10-2019, 15:19
This is a good post. Also, if at the time or the reporting it's an active incident, the perp is indeed an active shooter. It's a bad look to see a report about cops and innocent bystanders being fired upon and to respond about how active shooter is an incorrect term or that shooting at people/having whatever gun in Jersey is already illegal.
Before the term "Active Shooter" entered the current lexicon, how did we describe events such as this?
.455_Hunter
12-10-2019, 16:26
Who is "we" that you ask about? The people on this site? I think I've seen these horribly tragic events described here on this site as "a fake news hoax with crisis actors paid by Soros & the Lib Dims". Maybe instead of using the objectionable term "Active Shooter" that offends such sensitive feelings here, we can suggest the media, reporters, police officers, EMTs & others responding to the scene stop using that displeasing verbiage & start using more gun-sensitive words. Maybe instead of "Active" they can say "Currently Doing" and instead of "Shooter" they could say "Human with a weapon that fires bullets" and the headline would be "Human with a weapon that fires bullets currently doing attempted murder and successful murder". Better?
You triggered brah?
.455_Hunter
12-10-2019, 16:33
Since being "adopted", the term "active shooter" is now misapplied and overused, in my opinion, especially in the first discriptions of an event.
Every shooting incident, whether it's c-store robbery with shots fired and hostages or a guy roaming a mall killing people en masse in now an "active shooter".
It's like headlining "Stock Market Crashes!" every time the index drops a hundred points.
You are free to disagree.
Before the term "Active Shooter" entered the current lexicon, how did we describe events such as this?
An actively-occurring shooting without any other details? I remember shooting or shootout. Active shooter frankly seems like the perfect term to describe a presently-occurring event involving some sort of shooting.
I believe this has been determined to be a Drug Deal/Bust gone bad..
GilpinGuy
12-10-2019, 17:41
Excellent! Infighting amongst ourselves. Exactly what the anti-2A folks want to see.
.455_Hunter
12-10-2019, 17:57
An actively-occurring shooting without any other details? I remember shooting or shootout. Active shooter frankly seems like the perfect term to describe a presently-occurring event involving some sort of shooting.
Thank you for providing a rational discussion. I think the generic term "shooting" could be used for most every event until the fact are known, especially in the media. What the LEO community uses internally is their business. "Active Shooter" carries too much baggage and political connotation, kinda like "Gun Violence".
eddiememphis
12-10-2019, 17:59
Before the term "Active Shooter" entered the current lexicon, how did we describe events such as this?
Well, back in what we call, "the day", there wasn't a term for crimes in progress since there wasn't constant, immediate access to everything that was happening, everywhere.
So we would get home, watch the news and shake our collective heads at the dirtbags killing each other.
To answer your question, we called them murderers.
ChickNorris
12-10-2019, 18:11
I remember the term "Standoff" being used more than anything else.
.455_Hunter
12-10-2019, 18:14
Well, back in what we call, "the day", there wasn't a term for crimes in progress since there wasn't constant, immediate access to everything that was happening, everywhere.
So we would get home, watch the news and shake our collective heads at the dirtbags killing each other.
To answer your question, we called them murderers.
Doing a little research, term "active shooter" made it's appearance in the current environment in the immediate post-9/11 era. It's use and sensationalization has continued to expand ever since.
Standoff I remember being applied to things like assholes in a house/bank/store vs cops outside. I absolutely do not understand the "active shooter" dislike, if there's a shooting in progress and you don't have the other info (aside from shooting in progress and location) about what happened, do you not report there's something going on? This is really one of the benefits to instant/24hr news, people can be informed of a dangerous situation in real time. Now that details are available, it's widely being described as "shooting" or "shootout".
.455_Hunter
12-10-2019, 18:29
Standoff I remember being applied to things like assholes in a house/bank/store vs cops outside. I absolutely do not understand the "active shooter" dislike, if there's a shooting in progress and you don't have the other info (aside from shooting in progress and location) about what happened, do you not report there's something going on? This is really one of the benefits to instant/24hr news, people can be informed of a dangerous situation in real time. Now that details are available, it's widely being described as "shooting" or "shootout".
That's OK. We can disagree. I have similar feelings on the term "wildfire", used both to headline a wind-driven, exponentially growing forest fire and a quarter acre smoky grass fire barely keeping itself burning. To the media, they are exactly the same.
I know some active shooters. I don't get out as much as I'd like to.
RIP to the officer and hope the wounded fully recover.
I know some active shooters. I don't get out as much as I'd like to.
Yep. I used to be an active shooter but these days it seems I'm more of an inactive shooter.
Before the term "Active Shooter" entered the current lexicon, how did we describe events such as this?
Before social media and the chicken little dance, we called it crime.
buffalobo
12-10-2019, 20:34
Before the term "Active Shooter" entered the current lexicon, how did we describe events such as this?Usually reported as shooting in progress.
Before social media and the chicken little dance, we called it crime.
I'm sure the headline "Crime in Jersey" would be very helpful. Just as you'd differentiate robbery, fraud, rape, or murder, especially if it was currently happening, specificity is important.
24 posts, zero about what actually happened. What's the point of threads like these from this point on? People care more about the language used to convey what's going on, than what is actually going on.
Might as well be Occupyar-15.co if people are going to constantly complain about phrasing.
eddiememphis
12-10-2019, 22:04
I have similar feelings on the term "wildfire"...
In a blizzard he was lost, on a cold Nebraska night.
She ran calling Wildfire!
eddiememphis
12-10-2019, 22:10
24 posts, zero about what actually happened. What's the point of threads like these from this point on? People care more about the language used to convey what's going on, than what is actually going on.
Might as well be Occupyar-15.co if people are going to constantly complain about phrasing.
Lighten up, Francis.
24 posts, zero about what actually happened. What's the point of threads like these from this point on? People care more about the language used to convey what's going on, than what is actually going on.
Might as well be Occupyar-15.co if people are going to constantly complain about phrasing.
I love that line: Phrasing!
Thanks Archer.
BushMasterBoy
12-11-2019, 02:44
It started in a cemetery and ended in a kosher store.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Jersey_City_shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzd0TDWd5uA
cmailliard
12-11-2019, 08:30
The radio traffic was nuts. The most crazy part was when the officers that were in the school across the street from the Kosher Grocery radioed they were out of ammo. Not sure if all they had were handguns and two mags or if they took long guns. ESU teams were trying to get to them for back up and re-supply.
Can?t copy it on my phone but an article on msn from The NY Times indicates the perps were anti-cops and antisemites, targeted the grocery story after they shot Det. Seals. Some kind of manifesto described as rambling was supposedly found also.
The best description I've seen thus far was here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/176502-New-Jersey-Detective-killed-by-gunfire
Man, you think you get numb to this stuff. This is a really sad event.
People have been doing senseless shit since....there's been people.
Jersey City Shooting: Suspect Linked to Black Hebrew Israelite Group (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jersey-city-shooting-suspect-linked-to-black-hebrew-israelite-group/ar-AAK1iHi)
An assailant involved in a prolonged firefight in Jersey City, N.J., that left six people dead, including one police officer, had published anti-Semitic and anti-police posts online and investigators believe the attack was motivated by those sentiments, a law enforcement official familiar with the case said on Wednesday.
The official said the names of the two suspects were David Anderson and Francine Graham. Mr. Anderson appeared to have a connection to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, which is designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a legal advocacy group that tracks such movements.
The extent of Mr. Anderson’s involvement in that group remains unclear, the official said. The Black Hebrew Israelites have no connection with mainstream Judaism.
Investigators also found a manifesto-style note inside the assailants’ van, the law enforcement official and another official familiar with the case said.
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a group of people performing on a counter: The aftermath of a gunfight at a kosher market in Jersey City, N.J.
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The aftermath of a gunfight at a kosher market in Jersey City, N.J.
The document, which was described as brief and “rambling,” suggested no clear motive for the shooting. Investigators also found a live pipe bomb inside the vehicle, the law enforcement official said.The law enforcement official could not provide more details about the suspect’s online posts or where they had been published. He said investigators were still reviewing that information.
So far, the authorities have not identified the attackers, who were killed in the firefight. None of the three victims inside the store have been publicly named by officials, but multiple people connected to the Jewish community in Jersey City have identified two of them as Mindel Ferencz, 33, the wife of the market owner, and Moshe Deutch, a 24-year-old rabbinical student who lives in Brooklyn.
Zundfolge
12-11-2019, 18:11
Oh boy, Black Hebrew Israelites ... that there's an "interesting" bunch of nutters.
Side note, they're the ones that started the mess that ended with the MSM dragging the Covington HS kids through the muck and then getting sued for it.
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