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Bailey Guns
12-14-2019, 19:46
Many times I've seen people displaying certain flags or signs or whatever that favor a conservative side of things be told to remove the "offending" item. I've never seen this go the other way. Pet liberal causes seem to be able to display whatever they like without regard to whether or not it offends someone.
Not last week in Idaho.
An LGBTQ group was told to leave the WalMart in Moscow, ID over complaints by customers about the rainbow flag they had on display at their fundraising table near the store entrance. It's about time the shoe was on the other foot. Having said that, it's a shame so many people have to be offended by such trivial things, on both sides. It would be far better if everyone just recognized that people have different opinions and not get so butthurt about minor things.
https://klewtv.com/news/local/fundraising-group-has-to-leave-walmart-over-complaints-about-lgbtq-flag
wctriumph
12-14-2019, 19:52
Ha!
I was told that I was not a true American and a traitor for posting this on Facebook.
Hallmark removes ad of lesbian brides kissing: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/style/hallmark-channel-ads.html
It is pathetic that someone would be offended by a rainbow flag.
Bailey Guns
12-14-2019, 20:17
You might think differently if you held certain strong religious beliefs. There's any number of reasons someone might be offended by that flag and what it represents.
To me, that's not the issue. Be offended all you want. But understand it's just another point of view being offered. The problem is people just can't live and let live. Too many people seem to think they have a right to not be offended.
A lot of things offend me. But it's pretty rare I get offended to the point I take some sort of action other than offering my opposing point of view.
Bailey Guns
12-14-2019, 20:23
Kind of off topic but related to Irving's link to the "offensive" ad...
I don't watch much TV, especially network TV, at all. But on those rare occasions when I do I've noticed that's it's pretty rare these days to see a commercial depicting a straight, white couple or regular white family with children. It seems almost every commercial I see with a family these days depicts some variety of mixed race couple/kids. Or maybe the few I do see just stand out since I so rarely see TV commercials.
Nothing wrong with it. Just seems like everyone wants to overboard with the political correctness these days.
I wanna see some stupid anti gun idiot inside
Mozambique complaining that flag had an ASSAULT RIFLE in it. They will probably get kidnapped and tortured.
That's the new status quo. Same with people in printed advertisements and on the cover of text books. It gets tiresome when you can tell they are trying too hard for sure. I have a mixed family, but can't even think of a time when I've taken note of another mixed family, because that's so low on the list of things I care about I came be bothered to notice. I just can't imagine what it must be like to be the type of person to get offended if a made up family is all the same race (especially white). There are plenty of people out there though.
I get the religion thing, but still hold my opinion.
GilpinGuy
12-15-2019, 02:49
Be offended all you want. But understand it's just another point of view being offered. The problem is people just can't live and let live. Too many people seem to think they have a right to not be offended.
Bingo. Folks need to grow a set and grow the F up. Don't like something? Ignore it. These people want your attention. Ignoring them pisses them off. You win.
Imagine if everyone just ignored Colin Kapppernickity or whatever the hell his name is. He would have faded away like the fart in the wind that he is.
OtterbatHellcat
12-15-2019, 03:07
Like.
BREATHER
12-15-2019, 08:35
What I find really funny is, years ago when I saw two women or two guys shopping I did not think anything of it. Today with all the "awareness" I now look at these people shopping and wonder.... It used to make no difference now it seems "look at me, I'm special".
The most ironic thing is the people that bitch about tolerance the most, are the ones that are usually the most discriminatory. And no, I'm not just talking about LBGT/left - many religious/right people bitch about being discriminated against and want "tolerance" although they don't explicitly use the word.
Then they pull this shit.
People who truly "tolerate" differing opinions on every side tend not to open their bull-shit-hole, because they actually don't care.
I cannot imagine caring about who another person is attracted to, especially to the point of asking them to leave while doing a joint fundraising drive with the salvation army of all things. I remember a lot from church as a kid about Jesus' good works and stance towards helping the lepers and the poor, but not a whole lot about him not allowing people to help the poor because they had a different sexual orientation. Everybody needs something to be offended about I guess.
BushMasterBoy
12-15-2019, 11:34
I'd be more concerned with the flu virus. When I go to Walmart I wash my hands before I shop, and the effing water is cold. When I get home, I wash my hands in warm water, before I touch my purchases again. Last night I saw a child coughing and sneezing and he did not cover his mouth. His mother did not seem the least bit concerned. So far this season 1,200 people have died from the flu.
I was afraid we were going to have a pandemic when the norovirus shut down Weld and Mesa county school systems.
The moral of the story is get the flu shot. Sorry for the off topic rant.
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/local/flu-declared-widespread-in-idaho-but-health-officials-downplay-severity/article_fbb4b0ff-989c-51f4-b388-7e96a77b480e.html
What I really don't get is the connection between The Salvation Army and the pride flag. That doesn't seem like it came from 'the home office'.
I can also understand how some folks get offended by having gay and multi-ethnic families in so many commercials. For a while it was typically a white male and black female with bi-racial kids. It doesn't represent the population on a percentage basis and gives the impression of having values repeatedly force fed to the audience. But the priority is corporate virtue-signaling, right?
Seems every commercial I see has at least one gay couple - more often gay males than lesbian females, and every other demo except a straight white hetero couple.
IDGAFF what you like to do in your bedroom but this constant virtue signalling is tiring. It's a veiled attempt to indoctrinate.
BushMasterBoy
12-15-2019, 14:16
If they had worn this shirt, they could have gotten away with it.
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Seems every commercial I see has at least one gay couple - more often gay males than lesbian females, and every other demo except a straight white hetero couple.
IDGAFF what you like to do in your bedroom but this constant virtue signalling is tiring. It's a veiled attempt to indoctrinate.
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BushMasterBoy
12-15-2019, 15:25
Tru Dat
Yeah, i am saddened that kids toy commercial only has kids in there. I want variety of age in toy commercials. [hahhah-no]
I hate the ads that feminize men.
Like when the curly haired redhead millineal asks Alexa how to get shiny hair. Wtf?
JohnnyEgo
12-15-2019, 23:19
I hate the ads that feminize men.
Like when the curly haired redhead millineal asks Alexa how to get shiny hair. Wtf?
I feel this way about ads that infantilize men far more than those that feminize them. You're a man that wants long silky hair, then perhaps product X is for you. Implying that you need a product because your significant other is a moron is the bridge too far.
Having said that, lacking any religious convictions, I seldom find myself offended at anything that doesn't directly threaten me or mine, cutting either way on the political scale.
OneGuy67
12-16-2019, 10:14
Seems every commercial I see has at least one gay couple - more often gay males than lesbian females, and every other demo except a straight white hetero couple.
IDGAFF what you like to do in your bedroom but this constant virtue signalling is tiring. It's a veiled attempt to indoctrinate.
Recently, my 6 year old son's school had a "Donut with Dad" breakfast event and I took the morning off work to take him to it. While walking up to the school, my son was asking about seeing some older ladies with children and I told him that some kids don't have daddies to come to the event for various reasons, like when I was gone (deployed, though he doesn't understand that), or because they have to work, etc and their grandpa or grandma or mommy are taking them to the breakfast. He then began to say some kids have their grandpa or grandma, or two daddies or two mommies and that is okay too. I know we don't discuss this in our house, so he must be getting it from school. Talk about indoctrination.
Aloha_Shooter
12-16-2019, 11:19
I don't give a flying eff who someone else wants to hold hands with or do other things with in private. I DO care when they are force-feeding their "culture" down my throat or trying to break down traditional American/Western culture and values in favor of their neo-Marxist/anarchist ideology, especially when part of the agenda is to replace actual education and science with indoctrination and made-up "facts". I dislike the way the LGBTQAFWXYZ lobby has appropriated the rainbow -- in Christian tradition, it used to stand for God's promise to Noah while in Hawaii it symbolized the lushness of the valleys like Manoa -- but I just ignore it when I see it -- not going to whine to some store about it being "offensive".
WRT the discussion on infantilizing or feminizing men, I sort of agree. I keep coming across a soap commercial on YouTube that makes me groan. The dude in the Squatch commercials is apparently in good physical condition (certainly better than I am) but his emphasis on long silky hair make me think of Pajama Boy and other metrosexuals. I guess I'm a dinosaur. Real Men (IMO) don't give a crap about long silky hair, they want to get the oil and grime out of their fingers after working on the car or get the smoke smell out of their clothes and skin after a weekend of camping out in the woods. I understand Lava soap, Gojo, Fast Orange, D-Lead, etc. but the only reason I have any "moisturizing" soaps in the house is that I bring them home from the various hotels I've stayed at (the only soap I've had to pay for in the last two decades or so are Gojo and refills for the liquid soap dispensers).
On the other hand, I just really don't care if other guys want to use that stuff any more than if someone wants to fly a flag or banner proclaiming their socio-political beliefs; it has no effect on me as long as they don't try to ram it down my throat and it's their business if they want to spend $30-70 on soap, wear a pink tutu, or put bumper stickers all over their car. Just don't take over a tradition or historic franchise and change it for "The Agenda" like the Left is doing to "Star Wars" or the comic book industry.
I don't give a flying eff who someone else wants to hold hands with or do other things with in private. I DO care when they are force-feeding their "culture" down my throat
While I didn?t read your entire manifesto, I heartily agree with this.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but when you try to become the poster boy for something and push it on other people then you can just go pound sand.
This applies to religion, politics, gender beliefs, or whatever.
Recently, my 6 year old son's school had a "Donut with Dad" breakfast event and I took the morning off work to take him to it. While walking up to the school, my son was asking about seeing some older ladies with children and I told him that some kids don't have daddies to come to the event for various reasons, like when I was gone (deployed, though he doesn't understand that), or because they have to work, etc and their grandpa or grandma or mommy are taking them to the breakfast. He then began to say some kids have their grandpa or grandma, or two daddies or two mommies and that is okay too. I know we don't discuss this in our house, so he must be getting it from school. Talk about indoctrination.
I've commented on this in various threads before, but I just about lost my shit when my 4 year old grandson started using the term "human" instead of boy or girl. My son spoke to the pre-K teachers at PT conference and they feign ignorance of it used in the classroom so we suspect it's coming from Daycare. I haven't spoken to him further on the topic to understand if he's also discussed this with the daycare.
Technically we are all human. Or even homo.... sapien.
RblDiver
12-16-2019, 13:28
Hallmark removes ad of lesbian brides kissing: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/style/hallmark-channel-ads.html
It is pathetic that someone would be offended by a rainbow flag.
Less than a day later, they've reversed their decision...and thereby pretty much pissed off everyone (one side for cancelling the ad, the other for bringing it back).
BushMasterBoy
12-16-2019, 13:58
What disgusts me is the thought of animals raping animals. I need to upgrade my hunting license.
I cannot imagine caring about who another person is attracted to, especially to the point of asking them to leave while doing a joint fundraising drive with the salvation army of all things. I remember a lot from church as a kid about Jesus' good works and stance towards helping the lepers and the poor, but not a whole lot about him not allowing people to help the poor because they had a different sexual orientation. Everybody needs something to be offended about I guess.
https://www.firstdallas.org/icampus/blog/did-jesus-condemn-homosexuality/
When confronted with verses in the New Testament against homosexuality, homosexual advocates will quickly go to another myth of homosexuality. And that is, Jesus never condemned homosexuality. That argument is flawed in three important ways.
First, that argument assumes that Jesus? words are more authoritative than the rest of the Bible. To say Jesus never condemned it is to say that Jesus? words carry more weight than the words of the apostle Paul or the apostle Peter or any other scripture. But we don?t believe that as Christians. Second Timothy 3:16 says, ?All Scripture is inspired by God.? Those are all God?s words.
Second, the argument fails to realize that by affirming the truthfulness of the Old Testament, Jesus automatically condemned homosexuality. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, ?Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.? Let me illustrate it this way. Let?s say somebody came up to you and said, ?I believe President Obama is pro-slavery.? You say, ?Why would you say such a thing?? And your friend says, ?Well, I did some research. Of all of the speeches the president has given, in not one speech did he speak out against slavery. Therefore, he is pro-slavery.? Would that be a logical deduction? Of course not. At his inauguration, the president swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. And the Constitution prohibits slavery. Thus by swearing to uphold the Constitution, he was saying, ?I am going to uphold all the laws, including laws against slavery.? It?s the same way with Jesus. When Jesus upheld the Old Testament, He was automatically condemning homosexuality.
Third, by upholding God?s plan for sexuality, Jesus did condemn homosexuality. In Matthew 19 the Pharisees tried to trick Jesus by questioning Him on the issue of divorce and remarriage. Jesus answered by going back to God?s original plan for human sexuality, which is this: sex is reserved for a marriage relationship between a man and a woman. Yes, it?s true that Jesus never mentioned the word ?homosexuality.? He never said, ?You shall not commit homosexuality.? But guess what? Jesus never said, ?You shall not commit incest.? Jesus never said, ?You shall not commit bestiality or pedophilia or necrophilia.? Was he pro-necrophilia and pedophilia? Of course not. By upholding God?s pattern for sexuality?a man and a woman in a marriage relationship?Jesus automatically condemned any deviation from that pattern.
Backlash or revenge.
I'm tolerant of many things but after years of intolerance by other people I find it getting harder and harder to tolerate or ignore people telling me if I don't conform to their standards that I am an evil person.
I wasn't going to comment until I saw that the Navy is investigating a bunch of Navy Cadets for racism because they were waving "racist" hand signals at a football game this weekend. The hand sign is the OK sign - the thumb and first finger tips touching with the other three fingers up. Someone declared it a white supremacist sign and now you can get jumped on for using it.
If you control the words you can control the dialog. And everything else follows.
A free society is self destructive because it allows those who don't believe in freedom to thrive. We are seeing the result of this now.
I'm pretty much as nondiscriminatory as one gets. I hate everyone equally. I'd be much happier if the vast majority of the human race would just leave my planet now.
Rucker61
12-16-2019, 21:29
Less than a day later, they've reversed their decision...and thereby pretty much pissed off everyone (one side for cancelling the ad, the other for bringing it back).
Yeah, but the company with the ads got world-wide exposure while only paying Hallmark Channel commercial rates. Serious win for them.
Rucker61
12-16-2019, 21:31
Backlash or revenge.
I'm tolerant of many things but after years of intolerance by other people I find it getting harder and harder to tolerate or ignore people telling me if I don't conform to their standards that I am an evil person.
I wasn't going to comment until I saw that the Navy is investigating a bunch of Navy Cadets for racism because they were waving "racist" hand signals at a football game this weekend. The hand sign is the OK sign - the thumb and first finger tips touching with the other three fingers up. Someone declared it a white supremacist sign and now you can get jumped on for using it.
I would fricking love for white supremacists to co-opt "Bernie Sanders 2020" or "Vote for Joe 2020" as a new white power phrase.
The thing about that symbol is that it's one of the many things that 4chan has tried to link to white supremacy as a general trolling of the whole world. People fell for it and endlessly repeat it. My kid told me how last year her teacher told the whole class that it was a white supremacist symbol and even all the sixth graders didn't believe her. Another thing they tried to link to white supremacy was drinking milk. It was funny that they were successful, until all the sudden it wasn't funny, but sad that people don't verify things.
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