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Well I was walking through the store with my 3 year old. I was just finishing up looking at the cool and overpriced stuff and was ready to leave. When my boy passed by a muzzle loader. It fell. I didn't see him touching it but he could have. I don't know for sure.
Well it fell of a gun rack on the floor. It could haven't been that far. But when I came to pick the gun up it had a broken stock. The buttplate was taped up and the guy ran over to see what happened. The gun was marked for $3,500 and since I wanted to make it right he insisted that I pay $1,250 since he got a deal on it. He was the owner and not a very nice guy. But I ended up paying for it with a CC. Its broke and he said I should fix it and resell it. Or claim it on my home owners insurance.
My question is. Don't stores carry insurance against accidents? While I understand that it was my son that got blamed. He was unrelenting in blaming all of us. Just the kind of understanding I have come to expect from this place. The owner is not nice. Last year he called me a goof and not a real gun owner. Well I got a Ruger Red hawk for $550 so I didn't care I am the customer and my money spends at any store. I shouldn't have gone back. But they are close to my house and got good stuff sometimes usually because its overpriced so it doesn't move. But sometimes they have good stuff that reasonably priced, because the owner doesn't care about it. Like a Russian SKS with box for $300. So its worth it sometimes.
What would you do? Since the gun is broke can my CC do anything? Its a John Moyer 39 cal. Muzzle loader with a bunch of brass decorations on it.
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hurley842002
12-16-2019, 20:05
Personally I think you folded too easily, I would have needed to see some solid proof that my kid knocked it over before dishing out that kind of coin, for all I know an employee didn't place it on the rack properly, and it fell just as you guys happened to be walking by, show me the camera footage....
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What would you do?
For starters I?d put that store on my favorite list of places I?ll never go again.
Then I?d probably ask Santa to give the owner a good case of asshole cancer for Christmas.
Finally, I?d make sure going forward that if I bring a three year old to some place with expensive stuff I keep a really close eye on him.
As far as advice on the broken antique I?ve got nothing.
bobbyfairbanks
12-16-2019, 20:14
It can be fixed if you know a decent Smith
Personally I think you folded too easily, I would have needed to see some solid proof that my kid knocked it over before dishing out that kind of coin, for all I know an employee didn't place it on the rack properly, and it fell just as you guys happened to be walking by, show me the camera footage....
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That thought had crossed my mind.
It can be fixed if you know a decent SmithI don't but he recommended his smith.
That crack doesn’t look like a fall crack personally it could be pin fixed
bobbyfairbanks
12-16-2019, 20:25
You can research stock repair and probably do it your self. I would never gonna back to that store again. Let alone use his smith for anything
Like Hurley said, I'd be asking for the camera footage. Being a gun store and having such high dollar items, one would think there's video surveillance covering the entire store.
As for the "crack"....the owner must have been smoking crack if that kind of damage happened from a fall.
chuckchili
12-16-2019, 21:16
I agree that surveillance video should have been viewed. I?ve been in that store several times and share your opinion of the owner. I have bought a couple guns there, all old military rifles that were displayed on those floors racks. I am shocked that a gun priced at $3500 would be in the floor racks with the rest of chopped up junk (that I like haha). You mentioned there was already tape on the buttstock? I bet that stock was already broken and he was just waiting for some poor customer to knock it over. Sounds like a total con job... he probably paid too much for it and was trying to make up some money. If you ask to see the camera footage and he refuses, you will know with 100% certainty that he ripped you off.
It'd be your insurance, not his. Other than that, I agree with what everyone else said.
It's what insurance if for right?
Yes, that is exactly what liability insurance is for. I'm not making a recommendation as to whether you should actually make a claim (I wouldn't); just stating that is what the coverage is for.
BPTactical
12-22-2019, 08:11
That stock DID NOT break that way from a simple "fall over". The fact that the buttplate was taped on is PROOF that the rifle was dropped vertically on its butt, causing the wrist to shear along the grain.
Had it broken from a simple fall over it would have been a short, cross grain break. It also would have broken in a different location, likely in the area of the lock mortise as that is where the most wood is removed and in all actuality the weakest area of the stock.
Had the rifle been undamaged he would have pressed for the entire $3500.00 in damages, the fact he so quickly settled for substantially less tells the tale as well.
What knucklehead puts a pricey item on a standard floor display to me is curious as well. He took on an implied risk by doing so if in fact the rifle was undamaged, one of those "What did you think would happen" moments.
This thing has red flags all over it.
Agreed on camera footage, I would have demanded it. I would have refused to pay as well. He can file a claim on his insurance, I will pay half the deductible seeing how he took the risk of putting a valuable item on floor display.
Let him call the cops- it's a civil matter. Take me to court and prove your case, I get to demand discovery so any video footage would be called.
Hope he bought you dinner cause you got fucked.
It can be repaired by a 'Smith who is knowledgeable in muzzleloaders and traditional repairs. It should be glued and screwed with brass screws, the heads left proud of the stock and then filed down flush with the stock. All what will show is what will appear to be brass pins. For a traditional reinforcement a wet rawhide wrap would be appropriate albeit a bit out of place on an Ohio/Pennsylvania style rifle.
I got fucked and I don't know what I am going to do yet. But this isn't over. I am just busy with the season at the moment. But I will get back to him soon. I think my first thought was to get the word out about what a POS this guy was for blaming a 3 year old for a gun that may have been broken already. Its a nice shop and it needs nothing but a new owner. I have a feeling he is hurting right now. He can't afford to staff the shop properly and even his gun smith went away. He wasn't very good anyhow.
If he didn't have video of the breaking and wanted to be a dick and blame my kid. I could have been equally a dick and just denied the whole thing too. Right? I hate to screw over gun guys. We are all pretty honorable people so there is no need to be on guard all the time. (unless you are Chris Kyle) But I think that we need to get to the bottom of this shit. He did lock up his high priced stuff. He didn't have hunting guns on the floor or even AR stuff out there. He had a Singer .45 locked up in his panic room. I agree that if this gun wasn't broke and was worth what he wanted he would have locked it up as well.
This is a not a fubar yet. Its over as far as we are both concerned. But I am going to look into it more and if I was tricked in anyway I am going to make it a learning experience for my son and make it fubar. Insurance is nice but lawyers is what people should be forced to buy. I have mine on standby.
My man, unfortunately it is over.
You had a chance to stand your ground at the time of the interaction.
You have virtually no legitimate legal recourse at this point. I suppose you could have your “on standby” lawyer craft a letter to the business demanding that they secure and preserve all video evidence to prevent spoliation. Proceeding down any legal avenue will quickly cost much more than the rifle and eat up a lot of your time.
Take it for what it is and accept the reality that there are a lot more less than honorable people in the firearm industry than you are willing to accept.
Maybe I should fix it? Its starting to grow on me. Can anyone give me a quote?
T. B. Turner
12-22-2019, 13:23
You coulod try disputing payment through your credit card company. I also feel that it was partially damaged before the incident. Simply falling over of itself should not have broken the stock unless it was already cracked.
Its not over until its over. The lock doesn't work. He sold me a broken product. And I did put it on a CC so I know that CC will go to bat over selling broken stuff and will fight with the merchant on my behalf. They will credit my account until this is resolved. But like I said. I am busy at the moment and don't like to screw over gun guys. That may change. I don't like the way I feel about my son when I look at the gun. It was an accident and that is that. But if I was tricked that is not the same and will not go unanswered. The cost doesn't matter. Its the principle of the matter. I am currently toying with the idea of running for office just because of the way we are being screwed over by (what was supposed to be our) reps. But I am only one person and am picking my fights.
Maybe I should fix it? Its starting to grow on me. Can anyone give me a quote?
Maybe keep it and as the years pass you can look at it fondly and in good humor.
Might become a good story as time passes. You could always give it to your son as a graduation gift someday and remind him of that time he cost you $1k+
I have a good rapport with my lawyer. Its a long story that I even tried to write out for a minute. But its too long so you will have to buy the book or read it in a family law book it was getting over 5,000 words. Needless to say I love my boy and will do whatever it takes to keep him safe, secure and thrive. But I have to teach him to be fair too. So if I got screwed over by The Gun Room. I want to make an example of the owner for my son to follow and not get used by people. And if he was wrong to make it right. Whatever the case maybe.
Where is this shithole gun shop?
https://www.denvergunroom.com/
BPTactical
12-22-2019, 15:41
I just noticed another dead give away that this thing got ass slammed hard.
The longitudinal crack starting at the lock bolt.
I think that I am going to call this guy after the Holiday's.
I may need to go there and piss in the corner or something....
That was mean and I was mad when I wrote that. So I won't take it out on the store. I take it back.
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