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Bailey Guns
01-26-2020, 14:01
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/california-helicopter-crash-calabasas-brush-fire-fatalities-reported
Not a fan. Just an interesting story. 4 others killed as well but not yet named.
mahabali
01-26-2020, 14:02
Looks to be true. I never was a fan of the guy, but very sad. He had little kids too.
Looks to be true. I never was a fan of the guy, but very sad. He had little kids too.
Same here.
The Sikorsky S-76 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-76) isn't the usual civilian helicopter. I wonder what happened?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/california-helicopter-crash-calabasas-brush-fire-fatalities-reported
Not a fan. Just an interesting story. 4 others killed as well but not yet named.
You also claim to "not be a fan" of Ikea. [cigar]
From pics of the crash, it appears that the conditions were foggy and the helicopter crashed into a hillside.
Madeinhb
01-26-2020, 14:44
Lakers and Kobe fan here. Still in shock.
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USMC88-93
01-26-2020, 14:48
I am not proud of my initial reaction to this news. A complete lack of interest and an I don’t give a s**t moment, his death is simply not relevant or important to me. Fact is the man had family some of which might very well have been on that flight with him and it is a tragedy all around. Perhaps my mind swung to his well known Colorado legal issues but I had no reason to be so callous with my initial thoughts. Condolences to his family and those that called him friend but I have no underlying reason to morne his loss.
I was reading this article last night and this happened today.
Danger spins from the sky
The Robinson R44, the world?s best-selling civilian helicopter, has a long history of deadly crashes
NOV. 18, 2018
By KIM CHRISTENSEN AND BEN WELSH
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-robinson-helicopters/
*yes I know it was not Robinson R22,R44,R66.
lurchnp81
01-26-2020, 15:42
Unfortunately news has been reported one of his daughters was killed in the crash
I am not proud of my initial reaction to this news. A complete lack of interest and an I don’t give a s**t moment. Fact is the man had family some of which might very well have been on that flight with him and it is a tragedy all around. Perhaps my mind swung to his well known Colorado legal issues but I had no reason to be so callous with my initial thoughts. Condolences to his family and those that called him friend,
I have the same same, meh, who cares. But I still dont care. He had no impact on my life, so his death is no different than other random people who die in car crashes.
We dont have to care him, no matter how much the media wants us to.
kidicarus13
01-26-2020, 15:53
Like or dislike him, truth is that he more than likely had a much more positive effect on those less fortunate than Joe Blow who died in a crash last night and received no headlines.
Kobe's Philanthropy
In 2006, Bryant and his wife Vanessa launched their Foundation to enhance the lives of young people through cultural and educational experiences. The Kobe and Vanessa Bryant Family Foundation (KVBFF) is dedicated to improving the lives of youth and families in need, and encouraging young people to stay active through sports.
KVBFF operates?Mamba FC, a youth soccer club in Orange County that teaches young athletes how to become leaders and independent thinkers, while working together as a group to achieve a common goal through health and fitness.
In order to make a measurable impact on the critical issue of youth homelessness, KVBFF partnered with a number of Los Angeles-based organizations including Step Up on Second, My Friend?s Place and United Way. Bryant has served as the honorary chair of United Way of Greater Los Angeles?s annual HomeWalk for three consecutive years.
Bryant volunteers his time to Make-A-Wish Foundation, NBA Cares and The Boys & Girls Clubs of America, and serves as an ambassador for After-School All-Stars. In 2007, he launched the Kobe Basketball Academy, at which he mentors and trains athletes ages 8-18.
(disclaimer: not in reply to any individual)
It is tragic, I suppose; pragmatically, my thoughts don't actually matter - we are not connected to anyone in his life even - and I'm not going to treat it as a funeral service, although I'm not going to be blatantly disrespectful either. The honest truth of its importance (and mind you, I'm not picking on anyone, I do it too sometimes) is people jump on Facebook and everywhere to post news like this because...
...it's mere gossip. Something new to talk about besides the "hows the weather up theres?" that will be of interest to people. Generally speaking, I wouldn't get offended if people don't care any more than I'd be offended if they said "Beats me, I'm not there" when people do their b.s. small talk about the weather.
Posting things like "rips" or "thoughts and prayers" are equally as valuable as "likes" on a post about hungry homeless people. Pragmatically, they only make the individual posting it feel slightly better, they don't actually do squat. (Millennial/Generation Z/Boomer/etc.)Did my duty as a good person today, I said RIP and pressed "like"....
If you really want to appreciate a deceased person whom you respected - do something respectful in their honor that they would've appreciated today, which actually has meaning. (e.g. pay it forward).
eddiememphis
01-26-2020, 17:07
He may have been a philanthropist later in life but he was an admitted multiple adulterer. As an apology he bought his wife a $4 million dollar diamond.
There was the alleged rape he committed, later admitting it was non-consensual.
As for basketball, he was a great scorer. That's it. He was not a great teammate, as evidenced by most former teammate's comments. Selfish, arrogant, obstinate and as Steve Nash says, as asshole.
In my opinion as a basketball fan, he was a chucker. 33,600 points is a lot. He put it in but he also took 30 to 50 shots a night to average his 30 something points.
And very few assists. Yuk. He also gave himself the awful nickname, The Black Mamba. Double yuk.
I feel bad since his kid was killed. It's always horrible when a kid dies.
The player? I am not one to worship celebrity and find it difficult to understand people showing up at the Staples Center crying.
I cried when my parents died and I am sure I'll cry when my dog dies but a basketball player? I don't get it.
Was just reading that there was a pilot and 8 passengers on the helicopter.
This thread should be renamed, "Post your list of reasons why it's okay that Kobe Bryant is dead."
No one seems to be saying, "I never paid attention to that 4 year-old that got shot in the head, so who cares?" Weird.
I heard it from a friend, who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from another friend that Kobe was MAGAing around.
Pretty sure the helicopter was intentionally shot down to distract from the impeachment defense. SAM was seen in the area...
...and he's the one that told me about Kobe's MAGA hat. He's got a mustache, so it's legit.
I heard it from a friend, who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from another friend that Kobe was MAGAing around.
Pretty sure the helicopter was intentionally shot down to distract from the impeachment defense. SAM was seen in the area...
...and he's the one that told me about Kobe's MAGA hat. He's got a mustache, so it's legit.
Kobe Bryant dead: Trump reacts, calling it 'terrible news' (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kobe-bryant-dead-trump-reacts-calling-it-terrible-news)
President Trump on Sunday reacted to NBA superstar Kobe Bryant's death in a helicopter crash, calling it "terrible news."
"Reports are that basketball great Kobe Bryant and three others have been killed in a helicopter crash in California. That is terrible news!" the president tweeted.
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Reports are that basketball great Kobe Bryant and three others have been killed in a helicopter crash in California. That is terrible news!
Trump took a break from tweeting dozens of posts slamming the ongoing Senate impeachment trial against him.
His reaction came hours after reports that Bryant, 41, was killed as his helicopter went down in Calabasas, Calif.
The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Office said all nine onboard had died but did not confirm the identities of the other passengers.
Trump later added to his sentiments saying: "Kobe Bryant, despite being one of the truly great basketball players of all time, was just getting started in life. He loved his family so much, and had such strong passion for the future. The loss of his beautiful daughter, Gianna, makes this moment even more devastating. Melania and I send our warmest condolences to Vanessa and the wonderful Bryant family. May God be with you all!"
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Kobe Bryant, despite being one of the truly great basketball players of all time, was just getting started in life. He loved his family so much, and had such strong passion for the future. The loss of his beautiful daughter, Gianna, makes this moment even more devastating....
Bryant was, on numerous occasions, critical of Trump, especially after the president disinvited Golden State Warriors' champion Stephen Curry from visiting the White House in celebration of the team's NBA title.
"A #POTUS whose name alone creates division and anger. Whose words inspire dissension and hatred can't possibly "Make America Great Again,"" Bryant tweeted in Sept. 2017.
Kobe Bryant
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@kobebryant
A #POTUS whose name alone creates division and anger. Whose words inspire dissension and hatred can't possibly "Make America Great Again"
Almost a month later, when asked if he would attend a possible White House visit of his own, Bryant said he would not go.
"I wouldn't go. Simple. I think it's a whole matter of respect and standing up for what you believe in," Bryant said. "You can agree or not disagree and that's completely fine, I think that's the beauty of the country is being able to speak up for what you believe in right? So being able to voice that opinion, you can agree with it or disagree with it, but I'll certainly respect your opinion and believe all thoughts should be valued, but no I wouldn't go."
USMC88-93
01-26-2020, 20:19
This thread should be renamed, "Post your list of reasons why it's okay that Kobe Bryant is dead."
I feel for the mans family, I’m not sure I could bear a similar loss. And to the point I do not celebrate the tragedies of others.
eddiememphis
01-26-2020, 20:24
This thread should be renamed, "Post your list of reasons why it's okay that Kobe Bryant is dead."
No one seems to be saying, "I never paid attention to that 4 year-old that got shot in the head, so who cares?" Weird.
Are you saying it is not okay he died? Who makes that judgement?
It IS okay he's dead. The world will keep on spinnin'.
..."that 4 year-old" wasn't a celebrity. Nor was it a Hall of Fame basketball player, thus less coverage.
However, the child I think you are talking about- the little boy that was shot in the head in Indiana- has been discussed. And personally, I think a child's life lost is much more tragic than an adult celebrity's.
Especially this particular celebrity. See my above post.
BPTactical
01-26-2020, 20:39
What was the last thing through Kobe Bryant's mind?
Plexiglass and aluminum.
Are you saying it is not okay he died? Who makes that judgement?
It IS okay he's dead. The world will keep on spinnin'.
..."that 4 year-old" wasn't a celebrity. Nor was it a Hall of Fame basketball player, thus less coverage.
However, the child I think you are talking about- the little boy that was shot in the head in Indiana- has been discussed. And personally, I think a child's life lost is much more tragic than an adult celebrity's.
Especially this particular celebrity. See my above post.
Let me rephrase for you. Posting a multiple paragraph explanation about how little you care about something, doesn't send the message you're trying to convey.
hurley842002
01-26-2020, 21:11
Let me rephrase for you. Posting a multiple paragraph explanation about how little you care about something, doesn't send the message you're trying to convey.
FTW, in fact it makes you look pathetic...
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MSNBC whoopsie: https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/apple/video.php?v=wshhF6JCrLY8MowoO5aC
GilpinGuy
01-27-2020, 00:26
People "care" about some people more than others. I have zero feelings about a guy who threw ball well for a living, but I listened to nothing but Rush for days when Neil passed. I liked Neil as a guy and as a musician. Kobe? Couldn't even tell you anything about Kobe's career, except "good basketball player". I know nothing about the guy...and don't wish too.
Sure I feel for the guy's family and all, but jeez. Lots of people die every day. RIP to all of them.
And bashing dead people is just bad form. No matter what.
And as to the 4 yo tragedy, what can people post about it besides, "seems fishy...so sad", which has been done?
My point is that people do this weird thing when celebrities die. The people that like them obviously are sad or upset or bummed out, whatever. Anyone ranging from don't care to didn't like the person, climb over each other to get their two cents in about how little they care or are glad. It's this weird compensation that people do. Same thing with a thread about the Broncos or Chevys. Half the thread is people talking about the subject, and the other half is people chiming in about how they haven't liked the Broncos in a decade or wouldn't own a Chevy if it were given to them.
I wasn't trying to pick on Eddie, as this is something lots of people do, and I've been guilty of myself. Just trying to point out that if you really don't care, then don't say anything. Sure makes you look a lot better, at the very least.
GilpinGuy
01-27-2020, 01:20
Just trying to point out that if you really don't care, then don't say anything. Sure makes you look a lot better, at the very least.
Good advice. Some people seem to feel the need to comment on everything.
Good advice. Some people seem to feel the need to comment on everything.
[ROFL2] 42,718 and counting [ROFL2]
USMC88-93
01-27-2020, 09:22
Do not know if it was I that came across wrong, but I was trying to convey in my initial post that I was taken back and somewhat apologetically shocked at my initial callous indifference and then having thought about it immediately after my initial response genuinely understand the grief of his family and friends. Perhaps I was wrong given the conversational nature of the forum to treat it as a confessional analysis of my own reaction (which my initial post was). Or perhaps could have worded my own initial post better that you can sympathize with others tragedies but sometimes the death of a public figure will affect some more than others.
It is in the nature of communication and conversation via the internet with people you do not otherwise know that things get lost in translation; The opposite can also be true in which true intent and undertones become obvious regardless of wording. I took the opportunity to publicly acknowledge a self criticize my own initial thoughts in an effort to convey that thought process worded it poorly.
Either way I the unfiltered opinions of others is why I value the conversation here and other forums.
What was the last thing through Kobe Bryant's mind?
Plexiglass and aluminum.
yikes
I took no issue with your post UMC. I thought it was relieving.
Delfuego
01-27-2020, 10:39
I say it every time this type of thread happens. Regardless of your current feelings. We were all raised to not speak ill of the dead.
Except BP. Humor is humor. But that's an old joke, I expect more from you...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession
BPTactical
01-27-2020, 13:24
I say it every time this type of thread happens. Regardless of your current feelings. We were all raised to not speak ill of the dead.
Except BP. Humor is humor. But that's an old joke, I expect more from you...
Worst helicopter parent ever?
Kobe Bryant helicopter audio released:
http://youtu.be/B0pQfgi9ZqU
Madeinhb
01-27-2020, 15:53
Kobe Bryant helicopter audio released:
http://youtu.be/B0pQfgi9ZqU
Damm. Couldn't tell from that what happened.
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DenverGP
01-27-2020, 15:59
The snapshot of the vid, and the audio comment from the controller on the vid is misleading... The picture and audio showing "you are too low" only means the controller is saying they are too low for "flight following" which is kind of an air traffic controller assistance that VFR pilots can request, to help the pilot look out for other aircraft and look out for weather, and allow the pilot to fly thru some classes of controlled airspace without waiting for additional approvals, etc.
But, in order for ATC to provide flight following, the aircraft needs to be above some minimum altitude to ensure a good radar signature on the ATC controller's radar, and to ensure good radio communication.
So while it turns out the aircraft was too low for the terrain, that wasn't the message being relayed from the flight controller.
What is important is that they were flying VFR in a situation with an extremely low ceiling. The conditions reported by Van Nuys tower indicated the ceiling was 1100' and the pilot reported they were at 1400'. The last altitude reported by the pilot was 1500'. Prudence dictated safely returning from the way they came or using a pilot capable of IFR.
Indications today are that the helicopter hit the hillside at a high rate of speed. If the pilot is using VFR and can't see the hill he's flying into...there you go.
ETA: According to this article: Kobe Bryant crash pilot received clearance to fly in poor weather conditions (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kobe-bryant-crash-pilot-received-clearance-to-fly-in-poor-weather-conditions/ar-BBZnIWs), the pilot was IFR qualified. The bottom line: "Ian Gregor, an FAA spokesman, said that a pilot remains responsible for determining whether it is safe to fly and for determining visibility."
Worst helicopter parent ever?
Ouch!! [facepalm]
This reminds me of JFK junior's flight to Martha's Vineyard.
Aside from skill level, no one else was flying due to weather conditions, yet the pilots in each case chose to fly.
Delfuego
01-27-2020, 21:13
Worst helicopter parent ever? that's more like it!
Definitely a lot better of a joke.
BushMasterBoy
01-27-2020, 21:44
I am waiting for the Katelyn Faber interview on Youtube.
Man, more than one family on there. Bummer.
BlasterBob
01-28-2020, 09:40
Damned shame that our Military folks don’t get this kind of recognition when they get all shot up.[blaster]
If it's not important to the leftists that run the media, you don't need to know.
Bailey Guns
01-28-2020, 10:06
Damned shame that our Military folks don’t get this kind of recognition when they get all shot up.[blaster]
They may not get the media attention. But they get it from the important people...the people that matter in their lives.
BushMasterBoy
01-28-2020, 15:45
E-11A went down in Afghanistan. Not much in the news about it. Rumor is that had their transponder on, and it was trackable via the internet. Taliban claimed they shot it down. I believe them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Air_Force_E-11A_crash
It was mentioned on Fox News today:
2 bodies, flight data recorder recovered from Air Force plane that crashed in Afghanistan, official says (https://www.foxnews.com/world/bodies-recovered-from-air-force-plane-crash-official-says)
U.S. forces have recovered the remains of two American service members from the Air Force plane that crashed in eastern Afghanistan Monday, a U.S. defense official told Fox News.
The two Americans recovered were the only two on board the E-11A plane, the official added. The aircraft is the U.S. military's version of the civilian Bombardier Global Express business jet.
Members of SEAL Team 6 that secured the crash site also recovered the aircraft's flight data recorder before destroying the remnants of the aircraft with an explosion, a U.S. defense official told Fox News. The cause of the crash remains under investigation.
The identities of the two have not been publicly announced, pending notification of their relatives, the U.S. Forces Afghanistan said in a statement Tuesday.
A defense official that spoke to the AP said the American recovery team met no Taliban resistance in reaching the crash site in Ghazni province and said there is no indication that the plane was downed by hostile action.
"The remains were found near the crash site, treated with dignity and respect by the local Afghan community, in accordance with their culture," the U.S. Forces Afghanistan statement said.
Pictures that surfaced on social media Monday purportedly from the crash site showed an aircraft bearing U.S. Air Force markings similar to other E-11A surveillance aircraft, according to the Associated Press.
kidicarus13
01-28-2020, 19:50
Damned shame that our Military folks don?t get this kind of recognition when they get all shot up.[blaster]No one knows anything about the Pvt from Walla Walla, Washington so there is no "connection" to 99.999% of Americans and very little if any media reporting, of his/her death. Totally understandable. Not right, but understandable.
Bailey Guns
01-30-2020, 17:54
Regardless of what you think of KB, this is pretty cool:
https://twitter.com/heisTactic/status/1222398836519383040
What if you like Kobe, but hate art and nice gestures?
The helicopter pilot's name was very familiar that I open the box of my middle school year book.
His last name was extremely similar but not same as friend I had in middle school.
Bailey Guns
01-30-2020, 18:38
What if you like Kobe, but hate art and nice gestures?
Then you're probably a pain in the ass that just can't be pleased.
Then you're probably a pain in the ass that just can't be pleased.
:D
Helicopter in Kobe Bryant Crash Wasn’t Legal to Fly in Poor Visibility (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/helicopter-in-kobe-bryant-crash-wasnt-legal-to-fly-in-poor-visibility/ar-BBZv6X6)
LOS ANGELES — When the helicopter carrying the basketball legend Kobe Bryant crashed into a fogbound mountainside on Sunday, killing all nine people onboard, the pilot who was struggling to avoid the clouds did not have the legal authority to navigate with his instruments because the aircraft owner did not have the necessary federal certification, according to three sources familiar with the charter helicopter company’s operations.
Island Express Helicopters, which owned the Sikorsky S-76B, had a Federal Aviation Administration operating certification that limited its pilots to flying under what are known as visual flight rules, or V.F.R., with at least three miles of visibility and a cloud ceiling no lower than 1,000 feet above the ground. The company did not have certification for its pilots to fly with instruments, said Kurt Deetz, a pilot and former safety manager at the company.
The helicopter had sophisticated instruments onboard that the F.A.A. has approved for instrument flight, and the pilot, Ara Zobayan, was certified to fly by them. But because of limitations on how the company is approved by the F.A.A. to operate when carrying passengers for hire, he was required to fly only in conditions of sufficient visibility to navigate visually.
The limitations on Island Express’s operations are not unusual. Another operator at Van Nuys Airport, where the company is based, said none of the charter operators there have gone to the trouble and expense of winning certification for instrument flight, in part because it is normally so simple to navigate at low altitude in Southern California, with its easy-to-follow freeways and sunny weather.
But the new details about Island Express’s F.A.A. certification shed light on the question of why the pilot did not file an instrument flight plan that would have allowed him to climb well above the fog-shrouded hills and head to Camarillo Airport, not far from the basketball tournament where Mr. Bryant and his party were headed.
It keeps coming back to pilot error.
If there's no mechanical answer, that's where the rubber meets the road.
From what I hear on the forums I monitor, they were coming in at an angle, if not inverted, which contradicts a straight on CFIT (controlled flight into terrain.)
Anyway, a fun forum to monitor when there are plane crashes...
www.pprune.com (http://www.pprune.com)
(professional pilots rumour network)
-John
The final radar flight profile with a climb and then a sharp descent into the hillside lead experts to believe that the pilot had become disoriented in the fog.
Found a source that speaks to it: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigators-kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-will-look-weather-aircraft-conditions-n1123911
Alexander, who is also a helicopter pilot, said investigators will coordinate with air traffic control to review communication logs and the flight path of the helicopter, as well as catalog the wreckage and examine the helicopter's engine, rotors, control system and other instruments."
This is the most challenging situation for a helicopter pilot when you have these marginal conditions that are changing rapidly as you go along your flight path," Alexander added. "You have to make some quick decisions, and the workload while flying grows, which can lead to disorientation."
The Federal Aviation Administration says spatial disorientation (https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media/spatiald.pdf) occurs in flight when a pilot becomes confused and is uncertain where the aircraft's position is in relation to the ground. Reduced visibility heightens the feeling, although an aircraft's instruments are supposed to help pilots reorient themselves.
Spatial disorientation was to blame for the 1999 single-engine plane crash that killed John F. Kennedy Jr., who was piloting the aircraft, his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, and her sister Lauren Bessette, according to the NTSB.
The helicopter that was carrying Bryant and eight other people had circled over Glendale, just north of Los Angeles, several times about 14 minutes after takeoff, according to publicly available flight records. Before the crash, the pilot began to climb into the clouds, then took a sharp turn before slamming into the ground. The data shows that the aircraft descended at a rate of more than 4,000 feet per minute.
He wasn?t flying IFR so no rules broken by him or the company right?
Helicopter in Kobe Bryant Crash Wasn?t Legal to Fly in Poor Visibility (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/helicopter-in-kobe-bryant-crash-wasnt-legal-to-fly-in-poor-visibility/ar-BBZv6X6)
The final radar flight profile with a climb and then a sharp descent into the hillside lead experts to believe that the pilot had become disoriented in the fog.
Yeah, I'm not sure I believe that. When Pilots get disorientated, they don't (or shouldn't) steeply dive.
-John
He wasn?t flying IFR so no rules broken by him or the company right?
The only thing unusual was that the fog was extra bad.
-John
He wasn?t flying IFR so no rules broken by him or the company right?
According to the report they had to have visibility of 3 miles and a ceiling no lower than 1000'. The visibility was less than 3 miles and they crashed into the hillside while in the clouds. They didn't fail on IFR, they failed on VFR and 9 people are dead. Maybe they'll find something mechanical in the investigation, but I doubt it.
Yeah, I'm not sure I believe that. When Pilots get disorientated, they don't (or shouldn't) steeply dive.
-John
Tell that to JFK Jr. Without visual queues, trying to fly by the sensation you get in the seat of your pants can be extremely misleading.
ETA: This is the link to the FAA PDF describing spacial disorientation that was embedded in the article that I quoted:
FAA: Spatial Disorientation (https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media/spatiald.pdf)
Spatial Orientation
Defines our natural ability to maintain our body orientation and/or posture in relation to the surrounding environment (physical space) at rest and during motion. Genetically speaking, humans are designed to maintain spatial orientation on the ground. The three-dimensional environment of flight is unfamiliar to the human body, creating sensory conflicts and illusions that make spatial orientation difficult, and sometimes impossible to achieve. Statistics show that between 5 to 10% of all general aviation accidents can be attributed to spatial disorientation, 90% of which are fatal.
Spatial Orientation in Flight
Spatial orientation in flight is difficult to achieve because numerous sensory stimuli (visual, vestibular, and proprioceptive) vary in magnitude, direction,and frequency. Any differences or discrepancies between visual, vestibular, and proprioceptive sensory inputs result in a sensory mismatch that can produce illusions and lead to spatial disorientation. Good spatial orientation relies on the effective perception, integration and interpretation of visual, vestibular (organs of equilibrium located in the inner ear) and proprioceptive (receptors located in the skin, muscles, tendons, and joints) sensory information.
This was a very experienced pilot, operating for years in the same (very busy) air space. Over 8,000 hours, I believe.
Not like JFK Jr at all.
-John
He had instruments to tell him his position in space, and whether he was going up, or down.
I understand that at some point you might feel that the instruments are lying to you, but in the short time frame we are talking about, I don't think that is possible.
I think either he flew blindly into the mountain (a straight trajectory) or he had mechanical problems resulting in a crash.
-John
Which covers almost all my bases. ;)
-John
To err is human...
There, I covered my bases too. [Coffee]
Just wait... in a couple more days, Iran will FINALLY admit to shooting down Kobe, a SAM-Dunk.
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Okay, I'm fired. I'll see myself to the door.
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...Being more serious, Kobe was one Soleimani on board, including a family of 3 (father/mother/daughter?) that are probably suffering more than anyone else associated.
This reminds me of JFK junior's flight to Martha's Vineyard.
Aside from skill level, no one else was flying due to weather conditions, yet the pilots in each case chose to fly.
Like I said....
Roy Halladay got lots of footage, but not as this much
I am sure Roberto Clemente didnt get too much tribute.
#MLBlivesmatter
#allprosportsareequal
:)
encorehunter
02-01-2020, 16:31
I dont understand why you are all blaming the pilot. He had nothing to do with the crash. It was obviously the helicopters fault. We should ban helicopters. This helicopter is responsible for a mass murder.
People don't kill people, helicopters do.
If there weren't any fog*, Ara would be alive.
* or marine layer
https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/ara.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=280
NTSB says no sign of engine failure.
No sign of engine failure in helicopter crash that killed Kobe Bryant, NTSB says (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/no-sign-of-engine-failure-in-helicopter-crash-that-killed-kobe-bryant-ntsb-says)
DavieD55
03-17-2020, 23:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=58&v=e2_BBUWDhTM&feature=emb_t itle
I saw that episode.
...and yet you didn't warn Kobe. [facepalm]
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