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tactical_2012
02-01-2020, 09:41
Well Coronavirus is the new thing in the Headlines this week. I was at Walmart yesterday doing some shopping and thought hey I'll grab an extra box of N95 masks. Discovered I could not find any so I asked the department manager who was stocking shelves and was told they were out so she decided to order 200 boxes. The manager stated she was told almost all walmarts are out of them and was told by their warehouse would be weeks until they get some.
I know N95 masks aren't going completely stop you from catching the virus if it becomes a mass epidemic in the US so I know I'll probably get some slack for it.
Today however I plan on checking my inventory, rotating my water and fuel supply, and see what else needs to be updated and added.
Just my 2 cents
tactical_2012
02-01-2020, 09:53
Double post sorry please delete
Check Home Depot or Lowes or a paint supply store (all in person) if you want some. Warehouse and online supply is pretty much gone, but local supply and stocking is still there.
Would probably have to find a source that *wasn't* made in China.
tactical_2012
02-01-2020, 11:12
I already have some was just going to grab an extra box.
BushMasterBoy
02-01-2020, 12:54
Just make some colloidal silver. I just killed a rhinovirus with it. You spray it up your nose.
Just make some colloidal silver. I just killed a rhinovirus with it. You spray it up your nose.
I don't know what you just said, but it sounds like you snorted a line and then used toxic metals to kill an endangered species.
I don't know what you just said, but it sounds like you snorted a line and then used toxic metals to kill an endangered species.
Silver isn't toxic, it's the best and safest germkiller there is. Silver disables the enzyme that single-celled organisms use to metabolize oxygen, so they "suffocate". Kills germs, bacteria, mold, viruses, etc.
Do some research on silver, it's actually a pretty bizarre metal. Best reflector of light (mirrors), best conductor of electricity, best coating for bearings, best germkiller, etc. Used in medical, industrial, electrical, etc. Actually better than gold. It's pretty intense what all it's used for.
Colloidal silver is good shizz, so is Collidal Gold. It also has mucho benefits.
And you can kill wear wolves with it too.
kidicarus13
02-01-2020, 16:32
... and turn you blue.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/internet-sensation-papa-smurf-dies-blue-people-live/story?id=20368758https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200201/4928e1b514674d8c679ffbed6137aa34.jpg
... and turn you blue.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/internet-sensation-papa-smurf-dies-blue-people-live/story?id=20368758https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200201/4928e1b514674d8c679ffbed6137aa34.jpg
That jackwagon was putting it on his skin and he essentially 'developed himself', like a piece of film.
Silver isn't toxic, it's the best and safest germkiller there is. Silver disables the enzyme that single-celled organisms use to metabolize oxygen, so they "suffocate". Kills germs, bacteria, mold, viruses, etc.
Do some research on silver, it's actually a pretty bizarre metal. Best reflector of light (mirrors), best conductor of electricity, best coating for bearings, best germkiller, etc. Used in medical, industrial, electrical, etc. Actually better than gold. It's pretty intense what all it's used for.
Colloidal silver is good shizz, so is Collidal Gold. It also has mucho benefits.
I'll research silver if you research jokes. ;)
Home Depot (and I suspect that Lowes) has a ton of them..
https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-N95-Woodworking-and-Sanding-Painted-Surfaces-Respirator-Mask-10-Pack-8511PB2-A/202077815
StagLefty
02-02-2020, 08:53
And you can kill wear wolves with it too.
You catch too many diseases if you "wear a wolf" JMHO
Damnit, these masks dont stop viruses.
This is going to cause some OSHA issues quickly.
cmailliard
02-02-2020, 13:51
Damnit, these masks dont stop viruses.
This is going to cause some OSHA issues quickly.
Explain how they do not stop viruses?
theGinsue
02-03-2020, 20:58
Check Home Depot or Lowes or a paint supply store (all in person) if you want some. Warehouse and online supply is pretty much gone, but local supply and stocking is still there.
My boss was looking to get a few "more" N95 masks last Monday and found near every source online sold out. He stopped by one of the Lowes in town and got 1 one 5 remaining 10-pack boxes. While he was checking out the package, an Asian woman shoved him aside and took the remaining 4 boxes. Word is that all Lowes and Home Depot's in Colo Spr are sold out now.
Damnit, these masks dont stop viruses.
This is going to cause some OSHA issues quickly.
Explain how they do not stop viruses?
Interested in hearing his response as well. If one of the transmission vehicles for this virus is by inhaling air exhaled by an infected person I can't see how a mask wouldn't block you from that vector; at least in casual/short encounters.
ETA: I'd confess up front that this is an area I have little knowledge about, but what little I know suggests the N95 or greater would offer a fair amount of protection.
It's been discussed on the news and by others on this forum on the other thread. These only stop water particles that carry the virus. The virus can still pass through on smaller particles as you continue to breath through a mask. Some say 30 minutes max for these dust masks. Also these are not air tight and air can come in through the sides or gaps.
These are dust masks, not bio masks. About as good as gun background checks keeping guns away from potential criminals. False sense of security.
It's been discussed on the news and by others on this forum on the other thread. These only stop water particles that carry the virus. The virus can still pass through on smaller particles as you continue to breath through a mask. Some say 30 minutes max for these dust masks. Also these are not air tight and air can come in through the sides or gaps.
These are dust masks, not bio masks. About as good as gun background checks keeping guns away from potential criminals. False sense of security.
N95 and greater are what they buy for mold mitigation.
SSChameleon
02-03-2020, 22:49
The mask works well keeping an infected person from spreading the virus. When the person exhales, the virus is clinging to water vapor and the particles are large enough to be trapped in the mask. It offers some, but limited protection to an un-infected person from inhaling the virus. Given the incubation period of this particular virus, the more people wearing masks the better off the group as a whole is.
This is why the dr office has masks at the check in desk and asks anyone who has flu like symptoms to wear one, rather than encouraging the healthy population to wear them.
cmailliard
02-04-2020, 16:13
A respirator and a dust mask or even surgical mask are two different things. A respirator requires fit test for occupational environments under 29 CFR 1910.134. Dust mask and surgical masks are not respirators and do not require fit testing. The only real difference between a medical respirator and one you buy at Home Depot is the medical respirators are approved by the FDA in addition to NIOSH. All respirators must be approved by NIOSH. Medical respirators must also demonstrate safety and protection in exhalation not just inhalation for use in surgery.
Surgical masks are what we put on patients when they come in, do not put a respirator on a patient. The reason we do fit testing is to ensure the wearer can handle the increase in work load a respirator can put on the respiratory and cardiac system. If the patient is having a difficulty breathing, putting a respirator on them may increase that difficulty and make them worse, kinda the opposite of what we go for in medicine.
A properly fitted Negative Pressure Air Purifying Respirator (APR) better be air tight around the face seal, this is the reason for fit testing. If want to ensure your N95 (P100 or whatever) is fitting well, you should get fit tested. You really, really, really should have a clean shaven face. I have had people come for testing with a beard and you just cannot ensure the seal will work the same way every time.
The best disposable negative pressure APR's out there are the 3M 1860 and 3M 1870 (my favorite disposable). The challenge healthcare is having is stockpiling these as they expire. The head band can fail over time and pop the respirator off your face. Your best bet is an elastomer respirator with removable P100 cartridges or filters. 3M and others make these and can be found at the Home Depot or Lowes. The very best option is one made by Sundstrom. You can find them on Amazon. They make a Pan Flu Kit but you cannot find that one right now (or you are paying more than $100) but if you buy the Silica Dust kit (https://www.amazon.com/Sundstrom-H10-0014-Respirator-Particulate-Prefilters/dp/B00JE3PGDA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=sundstrom+silica&qid=1580854144&sr=8-1), it has all the same parts as the Pan Flu Kit. At $48 bucks you cannot go wrong.
Edit - I should add, your very best option in pandemics or events like this is social distancing. Just stay the fuck away from people. This is where the prepper mindset comes in a little bit.
You catch too many diseases if you "wear a wolf" JMHO
I blame autocorrect.
... and turn you blue.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/internet-sensation-papa-smurf-dies-blue-people-live/story?id=20368758https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200201/4928e1b514674d8c679ffbed6137aa34.jpg
If I remember right, that fool was making his own, was making it really strong, and was using TAP WATER. You have to use deionized distilled water, because the silver will bind with all the minerals and shit in tap water, and you CAN turn blue.....
Delfuego
02-04-2020, 20:20
Sounds to me like we finally found something we can export to China
Sounds to me like we finally found something we can export to China
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Blue_Man4_%28SP%29_2009_Brazil.JPG/220px-Blue_Man4_%28SP%29_2009_Brazil.JPG???
colorider
02-04-2020, 22:11
Zinc nasal sprays were a popular cold remedy. Till they discovered it can cause permanent loss of smell and taste. No thank you on squirting any metals up my beak.
It's been discussed on the news and by others on this forum on the other thread. These only stop water particles that carry the virus. The virus can still pass through on smaller particles as you continue to breath through a mask. Some say 30 minutes max for these dust masks. Also these are not air tight and air can come in through the sides or gaps.
These are dust masks, not bio masks. About as good as gun background checks keeping guns away from potential criminals. False sense of security.
Then don't buy any. See how easy that was?
N95s filter 95% of particles at a 0.2 micron size. Not sure this virus size, but other Corona family are often around .1-.12 micron-ish I've heard. At any rate, viruses like this are usually spread via aerosol. Stop the water droplets (or dust) and you stop the virus. If a dry virus or two made it through it likely wouldn't have any effect - #1 they don't survive well isolated and #2) everything has a viral load. One, two, ten or a hundred won't get you sick. A thousand will. They have horrible success rates, but manufacture tens of thousands which spill out of a "finally" infected cell.
The best success is when sick people wear them... Stopping the aerosol an inch from the source makes it meaningless if any individual virus particles get through thereafter. - this is why they are especially helpful to prevent spread inside your family of things like influenza, once someone is sick.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biomedical-engineer-created-mask-coated-123800185.html bleeding edge minor modification to N95s. I'd postulate that boiling a small amount of water and dissolving salt in it right up the precipitation limit, then dipping a mask in it (super quickly) and letting it air likely would have the same benefit. Just want to be sure it doesn't increase the filtration size. Basically, the salt crystals kill most viruses once they recrystallize, apparently, just from sharpness. So in theory, the N95 filters all the "wet" virus you have to worry about, while the salt destroys them once the area re-dries, keeping you from a)breathing in some active virus later, or b) limits contagiousness when you touch your mask.
If anyone thinks this is which doctor herbal shit, it's not. Accidental science discovered when making vaccines that kept being rendered ineffective when mixing with sugar.... They learned the sugar crystals were physically destroying their innoculated virus samples.
GilpinGuy
02-09-2020, 02:36
Haven't like 10x more people died in the US from this years flu than the Corona in China?
Edit: not to diminish the value of a mask or anything. I just read today how ridiculously overblown the Corona virus was compared to the flu that kills thousands every year in the US. Compared to the flu, Corona is high school football compared to the NFL. The media of course wants us all to freak out...
GilpinGuy
02-09-2020, 02:53
Haven't like 10x more people died in the US from this years flu than the Corona.....in China?
Edit: not to diminish the value of a mask or anything. I just read today how ridiculously overblown the Corona virus was compared to the flu that kills thousands every year in the US. Compared to the flu, Corona is high school football compared to the NFL. The media of course wants us all to freak out...
Edit #2:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Haven't like 10x more people died in the US from this years flu than the Corona in China?
Edit: not to diminish the value of a mask or anything. I just read today how ridiculously overblown the Corona virus was compared to the flu that kills thousands every year in the US. Compared to the flu, Corona is high school football compared to the NFL. The media of course wants us all to freak out...
It's ignoring the danger of a Tiger because mosquito's technically kill "more" people. Influenza has a fatality rate of 0.1% and is highly treatable. 2019_nCov kills 25x as many - if you have a family of four, and you all get sick, the chance of at least one of you dying seems to be around 1 in 10.
Both viruses are technically in the coronavirus family. This is GOOD and VERY BAD news. The good news is, it'll probably be peaking soon and seem to go away.. just like influenza does every year in the spring and Summer, because the virus itself (probably) doesn't survive heat very well.
The bad news is, just like the flu, once fall/winter rolls around, then it'll start cycling again. Once any case is in south america or africa - which is possible even now - those continents alone will maintain a pool that will keep maintaining seasonal infections around the world now going forward.
So the reality is: You're not at risk of getting 2019nCov this year. However; you are at heightened risk next year, and it may be all but inevitable that you and your entire family get it within the next decade unless they are able to successfully vaccinate. The risk to your family will be roughly the same as if each of you got infected with a novel flu strain each and every consecutive year since 1995.
For anyone who doesn't believe this: Here's a shocker. Since SARS alone, there are two new novel "cold" viruses that circulate through our whole population. They are so common they don't even bother to test them - they don't kill people, usually, just cause colds, bronchitis, etc. So people today have to get sick far more often to be immune from just the normal gamut of diseases - many of our "colds" and "flus" didn't even exist 30 years ago. Now here's a third novel one that will be in common circulation since 2000, except it kills 1 / 25.
(To ETA: Most of deaths will likely be attributed to "influenza" on death certificates when it becomes common here)
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