View Full Version : Many Denver drivers lack decency
Nagant1984
02-02-2020, 00:30
I had a minor motorcycle accident today. I ride an older Harley Davidson. I took it out today. I was just getting going at a light I shifted into second gear and as I pulled the clutch out the back wheel locked up. I?ve never experienced anything like that before. I laid the bike down and it threw me straight into the center of the intersection. And I was greeted with nonstop honking and yelling as angry drivers look at me like I intended to launch myself into traffic. A gentleman with a large pickup thankfully pulled up beside me and blocked traffic while I picked up my bike and helped me wrestle it to the curb. He was just as surprised as I was that these drivers were in such a hurry they wouldn?t stop honking and even attempting to roll right on through and over broken parts of my bike as they yelled out their windows because of the minor inconvenience of being delayed a few seconds.
I?m grateful for the bystander who helped me. So many people have no patience, compassion or kindness for their fellow human beings anymore. It really makes me sad for the human race.
kidicarus13
02-02-2020, 00:43
Sad hear but not a surprise. Rural > urban.
beast556
02-02-2020, 01:02
Sorry to hear about your bike, hopefully you weren't hurt to bad. It sucks that colorado has became New York/California seems like only the shit bags have moved out here.
Similar happened to us at the main st Parker.
It seems like the important part of this story is that someone did stop to provide you safety and help you.
I don?t mean this as any sort of personal attack on the OP. I promise.
If someone riding a motorcycle dumps it in an intersection and fucks up traffic I?d be a little upset too. Not everyone on the roads is just out for a leisurely drive. Some people have places to be and things to do. With a quick commute across town taking close to an hour these days anything that makes it take even longer is going to upset some people.
Guess I might be one of those drivers you were complaining about.
Bailey Guns
02-02-2020, 07:18
It's not just driving where this is a problem. A simple lack of courtesy and respect can be seen in many people everywhere you go. Hold a door open for someone and they don't even acknowledge it. Say, "Excuse me", in a store to go around someone and it's met with silence. Wait for a gas pump after Joe Jackass finishes pumping/paying for his gas while he fiddle-fucks around with his cell phone.
My "favorite": Standing in line at Subway (or similar) for 5 or 10 mins. Person just in front of me gets to the front of the line to place their order and THEN figures out it's time to decide what they want. And it takes them another 5 minutes to order a freakin' Subway sandwich. And it's likely exactly the same as the last 50 sandwiches they've ordered at Subway. There are a LOT of not-so-bright people out there. A lot.
Inconsiderate and/or stupid people piss me off. I get more vocal about it the older I get.
Sucks about your bike and the experience you had.
StagLefty
02-02-2020, 08:48
I try to avoid this "new public" as much as possible anymore.
hurley842002
02-02-2020, 09:50
I was planning on not "going there", as to not insult anyone here, but due to the topic at hand, I can't help it. After spending 10 days in Tucson, it became quite apparent that I've been living in a bubble for the last 36 years, maybe closer to 15, or maybe less, possibly it got bad when the masses flocked here, I don't know, but as a whole, folks around here are just downright unpleasant (including myself at times).
Admittedly I'm not well traveled, but spending time in a region (other than California) opened my eyes to the fact that there are still areas out there where people are just downright nice. I've never felt so welcomed in my life, to the point where my wife noticed a difference in my demeanor. I'm not saying there aren't idiots/jerks everywhere (as Bailey noted), but as a whole there are still some great people out there.
Like Ray, I probably would have been pissed of and grumbling under my breath, hopefully for the sake of my sanity, I'm able to take a breather and reverse course in my new locale. Glad you are okay OP, and sorry for the lack of compassion shown that day.
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BlasterBob
02-02-2020, 10:03
[QUOTE=Bailey Guns;2256425]
Inconsiderate and/or stupid people piss me off. I get more vocal about it the older I get.
Just wait until you get into your 80’s. I can see why older folks get P.O’d a lot more often. Too many inconsiderate bastards out there now a days. Courtesy seems to have vanished and who knows IF it will ever return. [blaster]
It will return when Corona wipes 2/3rd of the urban population
KevDen2005
02-02-2020, 11:07
Been going on for years. I was T-Boned in a police car in the middle of a major intersection in the south metro area, while trapped in my car, the only person that came to help me get out was an off duty cop. People just drove around both cars and the debris. No on can be bothered.
I've had the dubious "honor" of being on first on the scene for a number of vehicle accidents and one serious medical episode. It never occurred to me to NOT stop and render aid. WTF is wrong with people? [blaster]
KevDen2005
02-02-2020, 11:35
I've had the dubious "honor" of being on first on the scene for a number of vehicle accidents and one serious medical episode. It never occurred to me to NOT stop and render aid. WTF is wrong with people? [blaster]
They were never taught to help others. And now they are high in state that it's already difficult to breathe in
BushMasterBoy
02-02-2020, 11:43
The metro is a concrete jungle. I would have stopped. Trust no one anymore.
Kindness is an expensive trait. Don't expect it from cheap people.
It's too bad that people can't put themselves in the context of what happened to someone else. Put themselves in the other person's shoes. How would they like people to respond to them having that misfortune?
Too many people are self-absorbed narcissists that think the world revolves around them.
I witnessed something positive in this regard a few weekends ago in Colorado Springs. Someone lost part of a lumber load out the back of their pickup truck in the on-coming left turn lane. A pickup driver going the other direction pulled over on the shoulder and helped get the load back into the back of the pickup. That made you feel good that there are still some decent people in the world that think about other people.
Nagant1984
02-02-2020, 12:50
I guess I would to better to focus on the fact that one man stopped to help instead of dwell on the other 30 people who acted like total dicks.
It kind of gives you a sense of what would happen in a national emergency or a state of lawlessness. As far as the character of the common man.
KevDen2005
02-02-2020, 12:50
Kindness is an expensive trait. Don't expect it from cheap people.
I'm stealing this phrase.
Nagant1984
02-02-2020, 12:56
I don?t mean this as any sort of personal attack on the OP. I promise.
If someone riding a motorcycle dumps it in an intersection and fucks up traffic I?d be a little upset too. Not everyone on the roads is just out for a leisurely drive. Some people have places to be and things to do. With a quick commute across town taking close to an hour these days anything that makes it take even longer is going to upset some people.
Guess I might be one of those drivers you were complaining about.
Yeah but this was in Parker on a Saturday. It?s not like this was Colfax at rush hour. I?m sure people are in a hurry but that?s no reason for them to be so rude they actually put my life in danger as they attempt to run me over instead of being patient. It took about 30 seconds to clear the road. I don?t buy it. There?s no emergency there for them. I think people just suck.
Bailey Guns
02-02-2020, 13:09
I'm stealing this phrase.
Me, too.
And this one, too:
I think people just suck.
I think people just suck.
Generally, I think you are right.
There are examples out there all of the time that reaffirm the opposite.
Like the guy that did take time to help you out.
Or the guy at Lowe?s the other day that was getting out of his vehicle and saw I was about to load a large, cumbersome object into the bed of my truck and offered to help.
Or the number of people here on this forum who have gone out of their way to help each other out with many things on many occasions expecting nothing in return.
In my earlier post I said I would have probably grumbled about you disrupting my journey but the truth is I likely would have been the guy who stopped and helped get you and the bike out of traffic.
Anyhow, glad you?re okay and glad some Good Samaritan stopped and helped.
alan0269
02-02-2020, 13:59
At least it was a minor spill and you weren?t seriously injured. First thing I thought of when you said the back tire locked up was that the next thing was going to that someone was following to close and rear ended you. People have definitely become more self-centered and less considerate over the years, but to honk at someone that just dumped their ride is way over the top. I?m sure you were upset about the situation at least as much as they were, probably more even without their assish behavior. I hope it?s not too costly or time consuming to get the bike back into shape.
Inconsiderate and/or stupid people piss me off. I get more vocal about it the older I get.
I agree with and relate to this...
It probably has to do more with living in a high stress/high density/long commute area than anything. Take the rural people to Denver and they're about the same as everyone else.
If I had to drive 4 hours round trip a day at an avg of 25-30mph in traffic, unless you look seriously injured (and without help) then I'm a passing ass too - with rare exceptions...
https://st2.depositphotos.com/2234518/11738/i/950/depositphotos_117380834-stock-photo-woman-with-broken-down-car.jpg
...kidding, that's about the last one I'd ever stop for. If you just ate shit on a motorcycle right in front of me, I probably would block traffic for you. But at the end of the day, my family safety is way, way above other motorists. I personally know two people killed helping in that kind of circumstance, so I don't have an unnecessary chip on my shoulder either.
Two separate instances btw - one got up on a bridge railing to try to help a stranger who crashed after an ice storm, accidentally slipped and fell off - other got struck by another vehicle. It's not entirely without risk.
ETA: Being impatient and not giving you a minute to clear the road (esp within the safety of their cars) is ofc ridiculous in any case.
Inconsiderate and/or stupid people piss me off. I get more vocal about it the older I get.
I think the older you get the less you filter, and you don't really care what other people think.
This year has many local commercials during super bowl commercial slots.
Great-Kazoo
02-02-2020, 20:16
It seems like the important part of this story is that someone did stop to provide you safety and help you.
Thankfully it wasn't a ladder falling off someones vehicle, that hit him. ;)
They were probably earlier stuck behind the man bun sporting soy latte drinking skinny jean wearing subaru driving can't fucking merge onto the highway pole smoking piece of shit I was stuck behind today.
40 fukn MPH on the ramp.
Bailey Guns
02-02-2020, 22:33
I think the older you get the less you filter, and you don't really care what other people think.
That's probably true. I only started feeling that way since I was about 17.
eddiememphis
02-02-2020, 22:52
..and as I pulled the clutch out the back wheel locked up. I?ve never experienced anything like that before. I laid the bike down and it threw me straight into the center of the intersection.
Can you explain more clearly what happened?
I ask as a motorcycle rider, racer and a decade long professional mechanic.
I recently had a customer bring me a relatively late model Softail with the same symptoms. Turned out to be 4 sheared drive pulley bolts on the rear wheel, one of which had backed out far enough to jam into the swingarm. Destroyed the rear hub and the pulley. I ended up replacing the belt as well as a precaution.
Yeah but this was in Parker on a Saturday. It?s not like this was Colfax at rush hour. I?m sure people are in a hurry but that?s no reason for them to be so rude they actually put my life in danger as they attempt to run me over instead of being patient. It took about 30 seconds to clear the road. I don?t buy it. There?s no emergency there for them. I think people just suck.
I experienced a similar situation at an intersection when riding my motorcycle and I wondered:
If you were to shoot them as they drive by and nearly run you over would that be considered a drive by shooting? Or just self defense?
Nagant1984
02-03-2020, 03:31
Can you explain more clearly what happened?
I ask as a motorcycle rider, racer and a decade long professional mechanic.
I wish I could pinpoint exactly what happened. This is an older Softail with an aftermarket 6 speed transmission crammed into the 5 speed box. Earlier in the day it was getting stuck in 3rd gear. It was physically impossible to shift to fourth unless I downshifted to second and then back to third. So I was at a red light, quickly shifted through first to second and when I let the clutch out the rear seized up. It wasn’t quite a feeling like slamming on the brakes because you’d normally slide and see a skid mark. I never touched the brake. It just dumped all energy and the bike flipped on its side as I was going into the turn and I flew off it high side and rolled into the intersection. My initial thought is something with the gear box seized up but I’m not a mechanic, just an experienced rider. I had Harley replace some rear axel parts last year as they indicated there was a safety concern when they replaced my rear tire. I’ll know more once the shop opens tomorrow and the mechanic takes a look at it. It was possible to shift it back to neutral to move it so it’s not like the whole thing was seized up afterwards. It’s perplexing.
I experienced a similar situation at an intersection when riding my motorcycle and I wondered:
If you were to shoot them as they drive by and nearly run you over would that be considered a drive by shooting? Or just self defense?
Jaywalk capping? Needs a "caption this" contest.
StagLefty
02-03-2020, 09:30
Kinda on topic-I have an 84 year old neighbor who fell in a Walmart parking lot yesterday.She though she broke both her wrists because of putting her hands out plus she hit her head and was bleeding pretty bad. People walked by her and just looked at her and kept going WTF. After about 15 minutes a guy came over and helped her and offered to call 911 if she wanted him to,and put her groceries in her car. She made it home okay but she'll be hurting for awhile.
It's beyond my comprehension that nobody offered her help until he came by !!!!!
Until they create a viral app called "Giving a damn about anyone but myself", I don't see things changing. Maybe reward someone for helping with a Pokemon?
Kinda on topic-I have an 84 year old neighbor who fell in a Walmart parking lot yesterday.She though she broke both her wrists because of putting her hands out plus she hit her head and was bleeding pretty bad. People walked by her and just looked at her and kept going WTF. After about 15 minutes a guy came over and helped her and offered to call 911 if she wanted him to,and put her groceries in her car. She made it home okay but she'll be hurting for awhile.
It's beyond my comprehension that nobody offered her help until he came by !!!!!
That's wild. I wonder if it felt like 15 minutes (hurts like hell) or it actually was that long. Also wonder how many saw her fall. Top level asshole to not help in that circumstance if they knew she was physically hurt.
ChickNorris
02-03-2020, 12:35
How is seeing an old lady fall any different than seeing one on the ground in a parking lot?
If a person is laying in a parking lot, why not inquire to see if they need anything. That's not normal.
While in Green Valley a few years ago, Had a guy lay down his HD in front of me. I stopped traffic and jumped out and helped him get his bike up and off to the side of the road. The guy was ok, the bike scratched as you would expect. Everyone was ok about it and we all went on our way.
Almost everyone in the front range is in a big damn hurry and resents everyone else on the road.
I don't resent the people behind me. [Coffee]
How is seeing an old lady fall any different than seeing one on the ground in a parking lot?
Subtle nuances in the reality of the situation - which we don't know - really can change how people react to things. There's not enough information (and from I assume the story is the perspective of the neighbor) to assume our imagination is correct. A parking lot is actually a vague description. Is she in the middle of the road? Is she by her car? Is she on a sidewalk? Next to the store? Was she down for a minute, but described it as 15 - victims do normally exaggerate a bit.
E.g. if she's on her butt on a sidewalk in the parking lot (yes, those exist) with a couple bags around her, many people's brains are tuned to ignore anything that looks homeless. Doesn't excuse not helping ... On the other hand, if she was down in the middle of a lane people would have to be a special kind of asshole. If she's down by a car, passerby's are possibly just self-absorbed and unobservant, but not necessarily an asshole. If they saw her fall and walked past, that's level 10.
ChickNorris
02-03-2020, 12:58
I don't resent the people behind me. [Coffee]
Least you're aware that they exist.
That's one of my pet peeves, when folks arent aware of how their actions effect all the people waiting in line behind them, clueless that there is anyone else on the road.
My impatience with them is wholly different than a delay from an accident, pedestrian crossing etc..
There was a run away (allegedly) semi in Castle Rock yesterday afternoon. My aunt helped bring it to a stop with her car full of her grandchildren. Everyone else just posted the footage on Twitter. Way to help out, 9 news.
Great-Kazoo
02-03-2020, 16:13
If a person is laying in a parking lot, why not inquire to see if they need anything. That's not normal.
It's easy on todays society.
Those passing by are more concerned about their grub hub order arriving before their next twitterverse gathering.
Deep in thought as to whether they should applaud, or condemn, jay-z & beyonce for not standing during the national anthem.
I Mean REALLY! she's old, and they have their entire life ahead of them.
There was a run away (allegedly) semi in Castle Rock yesterday afternoon. My aunt helped bring it to a stop with her car full of her grandchildren. Everyone else just posted the footage on Twitter. Way to help out, 9 news.
Ouch! Saw that on the news last night. Some of those vehicles were really crushed. I hope she and the grandkids are OK.
Thanks. Just some broken ribs and a punctured lung.
"Just"? That sounds painful and it's going to take some time to heal.
I do understand that it could have been worse. I hope she does well and doesn't have protracted issues from it.
Thanks. Just some broken ribs and a punctured lung.
Disclaimer: I don't know if you're serious about her trying to help or not (or if a semi involuntarily mounted her car), and haven't seen the news or video of it.
If she did literally drive her car in front of a semi to "slow it down" I'd be PISSED if I was a parent of those kids. Same as I would be if Grandpa pulled out a CCW and charged head on into a mass shooting event dragging all my kids in tow.
Kids in your care > everyone else.
Still, glad she's okay and all.
If you backed way off on inferences, you and the world would be better off. I bet it took you longer to write that than it would have to look it up.
The news when I checked is largely vague, esp to people who aren't there. And before I replied, there wasn't anything related (Castle Rock Runaway Semi) yes... I did check. I wasn't going to go hunting through all your local news stations one by one.
Now you have some vague news.
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/02/02/five-vehicle-crash-in-castle-rock-traps-people-under-semi-truck/
Other articles I saw aren't really any more informative about how the other vehicles were hit (besides the four at the stoplight).
So maybe your dry humor (which I suspected anyway) isn't a given outside of your assumption that people saw whatever local news...
Usually people post a link for that reason.
GilpinGuy
02-04-2020, 18:33
Does everyone have a tourniquet in the glove box? I mean here on the board, not the general public. It's a "hope I never need it, glad I have it when I do" item and should be in every car IMHO.
ChickNorris
02-04-2020, 19:48
Does everyone have a tourniquet in the glove box? I mean here on the board, not the general public. It's a "hope I never need it, glad I have it when I do" item and should be in every car IMHO.
Yup.
Picked up that wise bit of advice from CMalliard at a stop the bleed class last year.
Having just one in your range bag isn't enough either.
Rucker61
02-04-2020, 21:27
Does everyone have a tourniquet in the glove box? I mean here on the board, not the general public. It's a "hope I never need it, glad I have it when I do" item and should be in every car IMHO.
IFAK hanging off the back of the driver's headrest, complete first aid kit in the backseat. Another IFAK hanging off my work backpack.
GilpinGuy
02-05-2020, 00:33
Yup.
Picked up that wise bit of advice from CMalliard at a stop the bleed class last year.
Having just one in your range bag isn't enough either.
IFAK hanging off the back of the driver's headrest, complete first aid kit in the backseat. Another IFAK hanging off my work backpack.
[cigar][Alrigh]
IFAK hanging off the back of the driver's headrest, complete first aid kit in the backseat. Another IFAK hanging off my work backpack.
That's probably a better place for mine instead of under the back seat (truck) or rolling around on the back seat floor (car).
Anyone remember the shooter that had the ND --- either inside his car, or inside the trunk area of the crossover, I'm not sure. Seems like it was a parking lot of a range. All I remember is he died trying quickly to transition between the seats in the trunk area where his blowout kit was. Seems like it was Colorado, but my memory is too vague to get anything on a search engine.
Here's an idea one of you bastards can invent and patent: Make a rugged wallet that can somehow quickly convert to a tourniquet. I'd buy that...
ChickNorris
02-05-2020, 19:23
I probably shouldn't sh*t on your idea but simply put thats a terrible idea Oxart.
I probably shouldn't sh*t on your idea but simply put thats a terrible idea Oxart.
Could be, depends who designed it. I can already think of at least a half dozen different ways it could be done - and that's off the cuff. Overall, I think opening the bottom and sliding the entire thing over a limb would be the most effective, (no seams) with a velcro-detachable strap on the outside or something to then place over the wallet and tighten. That would be better than any field-expedient tourniquet I can think of. Just don't let the bottom open while you're carrying normal stuff.... [Also wouldn't work on even moderately obese people unless you made a wider wallet, so idk]
Also remember there's far more people saved by a half-ass tourniquet, than there is from a $80 blowout kit left all the way in your home/ vehicle.
.455_Hunter
02-05-2020, 20:17
Anyone remember the shooter that had the ND --- either inside his car, or inside the trunk area of the crossover, I'm not sure. Seems like it was a parking lot of a range. All I remember is he died trying quickly to transition between the seats in the trunk area where his blowout kit was. Seems like it was Colorado, but my memory is too vague to get anything on a search engine.
Yup- This was at the Firing Line in Aurora. I drove into the parking lot probably soon after he had expired, I hope.
While walking in, I barely registered somebody seemed to be looking for something in the back of his car, laying on the seat with legs out the door, no motion really, like reaching for some ammo that had rolled under the seat or fallen into the seat between the gaps. We didn't know anything was amiss until a range employee saw the open vehicle during a sudden downpour and asked if anybody had left their car door open. He went out to check, and from there it was code black. Three hours later, after making a detailed statement to the PD, I was allowed to leave. My understanding is that the guy had been shooting at the range and was sitting in the front seat, reloading with carry ammo, when he ND/AD into his torso. He got out and entered the rear passenger door, potentially opening the access into the trunk.
I STILL WONDER IF I WOULD HAVE ENGAGED HIM WITH A SIMPLE "YOU DOING OK, BUDDY?" WHEN I WALKED IN IF HE COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED.
Rucker61
02-05-2020, 20:26
That's probably a better place for mine instead of under the back seat (truck) or rolling around on the back seat floor (car).
I use these:
https://www.511tactical.com/tac-ready-pouch.html
Comes with a bungee to wrap around the headrest, and you can pull it over rather easily.
Yup- This was a the Firing Line in Aurora. I drove into the parking lot probably soon after he had expired, I hope.
While walking in, I barely registered somebody seemed to be looking for something in the back of his car, laying on the seat with legs out the door, no motion really, like reaching for some ammo that had rolled under the seat or fallen into the seat between the gaps. We didn't know anything was amiss until a range employee saw the open vehicle during a sudden downpour and asked if anybody had left their car door open. He went out to check, and from there it was code black. Three hours later, after making a detailed statement to the PD, I was allowed to leave. My understanding is that the guy had been shooting at the range and was sitting in the front seat, reloading with carry ammo, when he ND/AD into his torso. He got out and entered the rear passenger door, potentially opening the access into the trunk.
I STILL WONDER IF I WOULD HAVE ENGAGED HIM WITH A SIMPLE "YOU DOING OK, BUDDY?" WHEN I WALKED IN IF HE COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED.
Man that's rough. Thanks for posting.... sometime's were all too good at minding our business, myself included. I imagine it was some passage of time before you got there, but I'd think Firing Line would've been able to take it back in security footage and see how long the door was open for. (not knowing would bother me more, for some reason). Most of us have those "what if" moments I think, I've got a few -including a suicide that could've been avoided- but the signs are too subtle to beat ourselves up on. Thanks for refreshing everyone to pay attention to even non-threats.
I use these:
https://www.511tactical.com/tac-ready-pouch.html
Comes with a bungee to wrap around the headrest, and you can pull it over rather easily.
All my IFAK are in mil pouches, I just need to sort something out. Glad this topic came up.
I keep one in each vehicle and one in my range bag.
Speaking of discharge inside the vehicle...
It reminds me of this thread.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/56430-Question-about-NDs
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