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DavieD55
02-28-2020, 19:32
Looks like the commies are now going after kids with toy guns.



"Forever changed:" Parents say son faced felony charge for toy gunFamily says son was arrested at 10 years old


SOUTHERN COLORADO ? Colorado Springs parents are speaking out after they say their 10-year-old son was arrested because he and his friend were pointing toy weapons at passing cars in a neighborhood.

Christopher and Stefanie Carpenter are a military family living on base at Fort Carson. The Carpenters have three children, one of whom is Gavin. Last summer on July 24, the Carpenters said Gavin went to a friend's house for a sleepover. Gavin was first at the friend's grandparent's home before the kids were going to head to the friend's actual home. However, they never made it there.


While at the grandparent's home, the Carpenters said the two children were playing with a Nerf Bow and a toy rifle outside. "He definitely admits that he pointed that weapon at cars, multiple cars, not just the one that stopped, and he understands that's wrong," Christopher Carpenter said.


One driver stopped his vehicle when he saw the children pointing what he thought was a BB gun at him while driving. The Carpenters provided News5 with Ring Doorbell video from the grandparent's home, showing that driver coming to the door and saying he was going to call the cops. "Adults got heated, and unfortunately, two 10-year-old boys were arrested because of it," Christopher Carpenter said.


The Carpenters said when they got to the home, most of the incident was over. However, their son was in handcuffs. "Our son was handcuffed in the back of a police car and really all they wanted us there for was to sign some paperwork," Christopher Carpenter said.


The Carpenters said the arrest was made by the El Paso County Sheriff's Office, but Gavin was taken to the Colorado Springs Police Department downtown to have his fingerprints collected and mugshot taken. "I've never felt so helpless in my life. I would have never pictured my son in the back of a cop car with his hands behind his back. He was bawling," Stefanie Carpenter said.


The Carpenters said Gavin was charged at one point with felony menacing. He had to go through a diversion program, submitting his school grades frequently and completing community service. "We're probably at about $4,000 in order to get a 10-year-old's record expunged," Christopher Carpenter said.
Throughout the process, the Carpenters obtained an attorney and have watched the body camera footage released to them from the El Paso County Sheriff's Office. However, they still have one big question.


"The cops go to the side and mute their web cam, so you can't hear them talking of when they decide, I guess, what they're going to do. 'Cause when they unmute it, they walk over and they were like, 'unfortunately we have to arrest both of you,'" Stefanie Carpenter said. News5 is working to get that body camera footage.


While the Carpenters know they cannot change the past, they hope to help in the future. "Honestly, we just wanted to educate other parents, 'cause we had no idea that things could escalate to this level with a 10-year-old boy. Talk to your children about how to even use toy guns," Christopher Carpenter said.

News5 did reach out to the District Attorney's Office and they told us they cannot comment on juvenile cases.




We also received a statement from the El Paso County Sheriff's Office saying they cannot speak to the specifics of this case:
"There are times when it would be appropriate to charge menacing when a toy gun is involved. If someone Knowingly places someone in fear of serious bodily injury or death menacing would be appropriate.


There are administrative avenues available to anyone who has a concern about how members of the Sheriff?s Office conduct business."


KOAA (https://koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/forever-changed-parents-say-son-faced-felony-charge-for-toy-gun)

GilpinGuy
02-28-2020, 20:12
Fucking bullshit. He's a 10yo.

Little Dutch
02-28-2020, 20:45
How to win friends and influence people.

Sawin
02-28-2020, 20:55
nonsense

FoxtArt
02-28-2020, 20:58
I think it's just as important to teach children anymore is how to deal with accusations and LEO, possibly even more important anymore.

This wouldn't have got too far if the parents and children weren't participants.

Bailey Guns
02-28-2020, 21:00
I can't believe someone is a big enough asshole to have two 10 yoa boys charged with felonies for playing with toys. Wait...yes, I can. I hope this dipshit is proud of himself. I doubt many others are.

glock74
02-28-2020, 21:39
This is bullshit. I would be pissed if my son was handcuffed being only 10 for this.

GilpinGuy
02-28-2020, 22:04
I can see 2 scenarios here:

Vagina hat wearing multi-gender douchebag Bernie supporter type gets triggered and DEMANDS an LEO response despite LEO's attempts to deescalate to the point of saying, "Really man? You really want me to ARREST these 10 year old boys who were just playing, for pointing a plastic T-O-Y gun at you? A TOY. Are you serious? They're 10 years old man.....I think the police being here at all has scared enough shit out of them for one day."

or

Overly zealous LEO hears aforementioned pussy's complaint and takes action, instead of deescalating the situation.

My guess is the LEO tried to deescalate and the butt hurt adult forced the issue. I'd like to hear what the actual circumstances were but we probably never will. Too bad the body cam was muted - what's up with that? I was involved with a petty situation at work a few years ago (I was not the bad guy) and there were hours of audio and video between all the officers involved and the mic was on the entire time for all of them. [Dunno]

BushMasterBoy
02-29-2020, 09:22
All the defendants have to do is get a lot people to write letters to the DA. Or send emails. Or call on the phone. Or organise a child militia and have a toy gun protest in front of the DA's office. I'll donate 10 bucks if I can watch !

http://www.4thjudicialda.com/

Mazin
02-29-2020, 09:44
Ludacris.....What kind of people would do that or even arrest / file charges against a 10 year old for playing, utter bs.

Zundfolge
02-29-2020, 09:55
I can actually see the point of going through the motions of "arresting" the kids (cuffing them, putting them in the back seat of the patrol car) because pointing realistic looking (assuming that's what they were) toy guns at motorists is a good way to get your dumb ten year old ass shot. Where the po-po crossed the line was actually booking them.

You put them in the car with cuffs on to "scare them straight" and then hand them over to their parents with a stern lecture about how "this is a good way to end up with a dead 10 year old" and that should have been that.

But in this day and age we might as well have AI powered robot police for all the independent thinking these people do now. I'm sure we'll be treated with "our hands are tied, procedures demand ... mandatory sentencing demands ... the law is immutable (unless we're talking about transwomen raping real women or some such intersectional nonsense) ... bla bla bla.

battlemidget
02-29-2020, 16:56
Our DA is term limited, the job is up for grabs this November.

Eric P
02-29-2020, 19:37
What laws did they break?

None!

Case dismissed.

battlemidget
02-29-2020, 19:40
Anyone here have a JD and passed the bar? If you do, you can run for DA!

Scanker19
02-29-2020, 20:48
In case anyone think any of the so called sanctuary counties will be not not enforced.....

battlemidget
02-29-2020, 21:48
The police may have gotten multiple calls on this, and/or the old man that stepped to the door was a 'somebody'.

Duman
03-01-2020, 08:59
Traumatizing those kids like this may do more harm in the long run. Scaring them straight, yes. Going through the full process.... over the line.

Zundfolge
03-01-2020, 09:07
In case anyone think any of the so called sanctuary counties will be not not enforced.....

This.

ChadAmberg
03-01-2020, 19:47
Another reading of the story on another site basically says the DA was worse in this farce than the police who made the arrest instead of just using some damn common sense.

tmjohnson
03-03-2020, 18:28
I totally agree with Bailey. Total BS
The A Hole that called the LEO is a real piece of work, big man scared of a 10 year old

TRnCO
03-04-2020, 08:29
what next, arrest for pointing his finger and making the sound, "BANG BANG BANG.?

What a society that we are evolving into.

Gman
03-04-2020, 08:37
Careful eating your Pop-Tart. There could be trouble if you bite it into the shape of a gun.

Eric P
03-04-2020, 15:38
Someone please quote the law that was broken.

osok-308
03-06-2020, 10:28
Here's the wording:

(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if, by any threat or physical action, he or she knowingly places or attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury.  Menacing is a class 3 misdemeanor, but, it is a class 5 felony if committed:

(a) By the use of a deadly weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to cause a person to reasonably believe that the article is a deadly weapon;  or

(b) By the person representing verbally or otherwise that he or she is armed with a deadly weapon.



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cstone
03-07-2020, 15:31
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.

The scariest armed people I ever dealt with were 13 year old boys. Sure they were kids, but they were 5'10" or there abouts, and had no problem pointing guns at everyone and anyone. One of them had already shot two people, so I wasn't looking for any orange tips on the maybe toy pistols.

Don't point guns, or things that look like guns at anyone you aren't prepared to shoot or have them shoot back. It is rude, dangerous, and possibly against the law. More parents should teach their children about gun safety. I would like the government schools to teach firearm safety, but that isn't going to happen.

I wasn't there, so I don't know how I would have handled the situation. I also was never in much of a hurry to take people to jail if there was another, better alternative.

Be safe.

FoxtArt
03-07-2020, 15:42
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.

The scariest armed people I ever dealt with were 13 year old boys. Sure they were kids, but they were 5'10" or there abouts, and had no problem pointing guns at everyone and anyone. One of them had already shot two people, so I wasn't looking for any orange tips on the maybe toy pistols.

Don't point guns, or things that look like guns at anyone you aren't prepared to shoot or have them shoot back. It is rude, dangerous, and possibly against the law. More parents should teach their children about gun safety. I would like the government schools to teach firearm safety, but that isn't going to happen.

I wasn't there, so I don't know how I would have handled the situation. I also was never in much of a hurry to take people to jail if there was another, better alternative.

Be safe.

Well stated. I think most are on board with scaring the kids (e.g. "arresting" them) as I think even they admitted to pointing them at cars, and there's little question it is both stupid and dangerous. It's the formal felony charges and the court process (and costs) that I think people feel are blown out of proportion, which TBH is as much of the fault of the D.A. I wonder if in our world of body cameras and strict policies if officers can even "fake arrest" anyone (with a wink and a nod to a parent ofc), anymore.

cstone
03-07-2020, 16:13
Absolutely NO FAKE ARRESTS, and scaring kids, even with their parent's permission would not be tolerated in most departments.

As a kid, we got what was commonly known as: The Baltimore Ride. I'm sure it happened in lots of other places, but here is how I experienced it: When the cops showed up, we ran. If the cops caught you; only happened once for me, they cuffed us and put us in the back of the paddy wagon. In the 70's, Baltimore's wagons were smooth stainless steel inside. No matter how you tried to brace yourself, after a few rapid corner maneuvers, my friends and I were nothing more than loose meat bags being thrown against very hard steel. We were dropped off several miles from where we were picked up and the walk home, all bruised and a bit bloody consisted of variations of the stories we needed to tell to explain our condition.

When dealing with juveniles my primary consideration was trying to determine whether taking the kid back to their parents was more dangerous to the kid than taking them to social services. I recall one kid who was taken home eventually ended up in the hospital because the ass whipping ladled out by Mom and her boyfriend was far worse than anything the cops or the justice system would have done.

My advice to my kids was: 1. Don't do anything the cops will chase you for. 2. If you ignore rule #1, don't be the slowest kid in the group. 3. If you get caught by the cops, Don't say anything except your home phone number. I was blessed to have kids who were not like their father. They are far smarter than I was or am.