Arapahoe County Stops Concealed Carry Permits

[eddiememphis]

https://www.arapahoegov.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=1539

The sheriff?s office is suspending the concealed handgun permit process and fingerprinting conducted at its headquarters at 13101 E. Broncos Parkway in Centennial from now through March 27. This is for new, renewed or retired permits. No new applications will be accepted during this two-week period. After the initial two week suspension, the sheriff will re-evaluate whether to begin reissuing permits and fingerprinting or extend the suspension period.

[.455_Hunter]

Of course, the thought of somebody actually needing to get their permit renewed is not a consideration.

[Irving]

Probably because it's not a need.

[.455_Hunter]

Probably because it's not a need.

Really? That's interesting- Many of us would disagree.

I understand the concept of limiting person-to-person contact is a goal right now, so why not implement a non face-to-face plan for renewals?

You already have the person's prints, picture and can run an updated background check.

I get that new permits could be problematic.

[Irving]

It's only for two weeks. The amount of people whose renewal date falls within that two week period will be statistically insignificant; and if I've learned anything from posting on here for a decade, it's that things that are statistically insignificant do not matter and nothing at all should be done to change whatever the situation is. It could also be argued that, like everything else in the world, you knew your renewal was coming and had a several week window to get renewed. That anyone wants to do it NOW, is no one's problem but the person renewing.

I realize Eddie was just posting for info. I just wanted to get in before the thread goes full retard with chest pounding about rights.

[SideShow Bob]

If you renew in Arapahoe County before your due date, you lose whatever in advance that you renew. ( If you renew 3 - 4 weeks before your expiration date, you lose that 3 - 4 weeks. Your new renewal date will be 5 years from the date of renewal not 5 years from the date of expiration of the previous CCP.)
And if your CCP goes past the renewal date during that suspension of issuing renewals, you are SOL and have to go through the entire CCP application again.

Now that is EFFed up ! That you will have to go through the entire process again due to no fault of your own.

[.455_Hunter]

I agree that if it's a two-week suspension while they figure out a plan moving forward thats fine. I also agree that given the current climate you should have renewed the day your window opened. I don't agree that it's chest thumping to ensure what many of us feel is pretty fundamental right is not marginalized by the Sheriff office when workarounds exist.

[brutal]

It's really quite simple to extend the dates and if they would just publish that, perhaps also mailing out or issuing an official statement on letterhead to all permit holders, people wouldn't be getting all twisted up over it. Why can't a highly trained elected official or the bureaucrats think of these things?

[SideShow Bob]

a highly trained elected official or the bureaucrats think of these things?

Umm, you answered your own question....

[eddiememphis]

... a highly trained elected official...

Oxymoron

[OneGuy67]

Oxymoron

Especially that sheriff.

[brutal]

Oxymoron

It was a thinly veiled attempt at sarcasm.

[Gman]

It's only for two weeks.

Promise?

As government proceeds to shutdown, it should be a reminder as to how they've inserted themselves into so much of our lives.

[Irving]

If government shuts down ONLY CCW permits, then you'll have an argument.

Bob, four weeks out of 260 weeks? Gosh, that's like losing out on about $2.30 worth of the money it costs to renew. Not enough to bitch about considering the situation.

If everything turns out to be over blown, like it almost certainly will be, this will be the most minor of inconveniences. If this situation gets more serious, none of this will matter.

[eddiememphis]

My reason for posting wasn't to stir things up. I was hoping someone more savvy on the law would opine as to the legality of a county suspending certain operations while continuing others.

I doubt there will be a rush of people trying to get a permit to carry, but judging by the Corona thread, reports of ammunition disappearing from shelves and 17 hour waiting periods for new purchases, I am reconsidering that stance.

Panic is a sign of poor self control. We see it every year when Walmart opens it's doors at midnight to sell one 60" television to the waiting masses.

I have never understood the compulsion to follow trends, especially when it may be dangerous.

But that is an entirely different thread.

[Gman]

When it's a SHTF situation, permits won't matter.

[Irving]

My reason for posting wasn't to stir things up.

I know it wasn't and I apologize for setting a combative tone right off the bat

[TFOGGER]

A simple workaround(unlikely to be implemented), would be to grant say, an additional 180 days grace to anyone due for renewal while services are suspended. New permit applications are somewhat more problematic. Perhaps Colorado should move to a system more like Utah(and several other states), where permits are handled by mail, and renewals can be done online.

[Gman]

Or go Constitutional Carry and not require permits.

(But I'm not even thinking about holding my breath.)

[Eric P]

A simple workaround(unlikely to be implemented), would be to grant say, an additional 180 days grace to anyone due for renewal while services are suspended. New permit applications are somewhat more problematic. Perhaps Colorado should move to a system more like Utah(and several other states), where permits are handled by mail, and renewals can be done online.

Or since open carry is legal without permission from the king, so should concealed carry.

[Great-Kazoo]

It's only for two weeks. The amount of people whose renewal date falls within that two week period will be statistically insignificant; and if I've learned anything from posting on here for a decade, it's that things that are statistically insignificant do not matter and nothing at all should be done to change whatever the situation is. It could also be argued that, like everything else in the world, you knew your renewal was coming and had a several week window to get renewed. That anyone wants to do it NOW, is no one's problem but the person renewing.

I realize Eddie was just posting for info. I just wanted to get in before the thread goes full retard with chest pounding about rights.

while it's "only for 2 weeks" consider those whose approval for a permit are falling within that 2 week period. Not knowing numbers of applications. It could be minuscule, or not.

When you consider P.D's are suspending interaction for everything but actual emergencies. That 2 weeks for the law abiding citizen could mean the difference between life, or death.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/177654-Aurora-PD-on-quot-Priority-dispatch-quot-only


throw this in to the mix and people could be truly screwed. I mean it's only 2 weeks, maybe.

After the initial two week suspension, the sheriff will re-evaluate whether to begin reissuing permits and fingerprinting or extend the suspension period.

[Irving]

It's not life or death, don't pretend that it is. Having a CCW is pure luxury.

[Gman]

[Pop]..

[Great-Kazoo]

It's not life or death, don't pretend that it is. Having a CCW is pure luxury.

REALLY? In ft collins it was at the discretion of the sheriff . Till a women was gunned down on the courthouse steps. (IIRC) She wanted a CCW as she had a restraining order and wasn't able to get one.
Next election cycle, Jim Alderden ran on a few platforms, for sheriff. The main one was, IF elected i will issue CCW permits. he won by a landslide.

So yeah a permit isn't life or death.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/no-one-helped-her-nj-woman-murdered-by-ex-while-awaiting-gun-permit

[Eric P]

It's not life or death, don't pretend that it is. Having a CCW is pure luxury.

A permit is a luxury...for the government.

Ccw away, and if forced to act, make sure to pull the holster out so it's no longer concealed.

[Irving]

A permit is a luxury...for the government.

Ccw away, and if forced to act, make sure to pull the holster out so it's no longer concealed.

Correct.

ETA: A permit stops bullets just as well as a restraining order does.

[buffalobo]

It's not life or death, don't pretend that it is. Having a CCW is pure luxury.Don't be begging for food.

[MrPrena]

We need vt and ak style CCW permit. Meaning no permit requires to carry concealed.

[battlemidget]

We need vt and ak style CCW permit. Meaning no permit requires to carry concealed.

Isn't Arizona a 'no permit needed' state too?

[brutal]

There are many now.

[Gman]

There are many now.


...but not enough.

[hurley842002]

Isn't Arizona a 'no permit needed' state too?Yup, wife has been carrying somewhat regularly.

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[Great-Kazoo]

Isn't Arizona a 'no permit needed' state too?

yes it is. it's also cash n carry for most deals ;)

Suppose to be a gun show up here in 2 weeks. Can't even imagine what that line will look like.

[SideShow Bob]

If government shuts down ONLY CCW permits, then you'll have an argument.

Bob, four weeks out of 260 weeks? Gosh, that's like losing out on about $2.30 worth of the money it costs to renew. Not enough to bitch about considering the situation.

If everything turns out to be over blown, like it almost certainly will be, this will be the most minor of inconveniences. If this situation gets more serious, none of this will matter.
It was a 87 day loss. I had renewed as soon as it was just less than 90 days before expiration. I thought I would get a jump on renewal instead of having to hustle at the last minute.

[Irving]

It was a 87 day loss. I had renewed as soon as it was just less than 90 days before expiration. I thought I would get a jump on renewal instead of having to hustle at the last minute.

So a mistake you won't soon forget. But still under $10 in value.

[XJ]

El Paso is taking forever for renewals, but says despite the recent virus stuff that they are still working on it.

[Gman]

So glad I got mine just before all this craziness started. The DougCo turnaround was really quick.

[Irving]

Mine is up for renewal in May, and I bet I'll have to figure out a way to deal with this as well.

[Great-Kazoo]

Mine is up for renewal in May, and I bet I'll have to figure out a way to deal with this as well.

[cstone]

If open carry is legal, how does the government get involved in the wearing of jackets or un-tucked shirts?

Most criminals don't own holsters.

Treat everyone as if they are armed...especially if you are armed. By the time you see the weapon, you are behind the curve.

Be safe.

[Gman]

Keep your head on a swivel, especially if you have TP in your shopping cart.