Colorado Rifle Club closed due to "stay home order", but ranges are exempt under Federal guidelines. [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

Brass

04-04-2020, 13:57

My understanding of the Federal guidelines is that ranges, along with gun stores, are exempt from closure orders. Not only are they allowed to remain open, but this is a time when people want to check zeros, function test equipment and loads, and yes - engage in recreational shooting in a low risk environment.

It seems that in absence of an actual closure order, the club's board has decided to "enforce" the stay home order, which is an action outside of the the board of directors' responsibility and authorization.

Is there anyone here on CRC's board, or has anyone spoken with the board, and can shed some light on what seems to be an over-reaction by the board of the Colorado Rifle Club?

DenverGP

04-04-2020, 14:17

Most ranges closed completely following the Colorado stay-at-home order, and some are reopening after the fed guidelines clarified shooting ranges as "essential". The re-openings have been happening more recently, so maybe CRC will decide at some point they can re-open on a limited basis or something. I know several other ranges just re-opened on 4/1 or 4/2.

There is nothing saying a particular range needs to be open, and I'm sure it's up to them on staff safety, etc. Some ranges may decide they'd prefer to let their employees and or volunteer staff stay home.

hollohas

04-04-2020, 15:26

Aurora Gun Club shutdown completely too. When politely questioned by a few people via email, the club president sent, IMO, a super shity email out to everyone explaining themselves. They closed because, and I quote "many members and the caretaker are in the high risk demographic. This virus KILLS people in that demographic. Did you get that, sir? IT KILLS PEOPLE."

Quoted from the email and emphasis is theirs.

How about the caretaker and the high risk members stay home and let the rest of us use the facility we're paying for. (Including the caretaker's wage.). Using the club literally forces social distancing.

That goes for all these outdoor clubs closing down. Let the member-owners use their clubs while the "high risk" folks make their own choices and stay home if that's what they want.

04-04-2020, 15:53

Whistling Pines in the Springs is staying open :)

def90

04-04-2020, 16:40

Bristlecone is supposed to be open.

Irving

04-04-2020, 17:23

Ripper

04-04-2020, 17:45

i know during the week (when I try to go out to CRC) there is usually no one on the range except me. perfect for social distancing

buffalobo

04-04-2020, 18:05

Not sure what the issue may be. No regular staff on site and has been said, often have whatever range or whole place to yourself some weekdays.

hollohas

04-04-2020, 18:39

Not sure what the issue may be. No regular staff on site and has been said, often have whatever range or whole place to yourself some weekdays.If there isn't any staff onsite, there's literally no reason to shut it down.

DenverGP

04-04-2020, 18:48

Bristlecone is supposed to be open.

They closed after the initial colorado "say at home" order, but announced the range was re-opening as of April 2, with daily hours from 10am to 6pm.

Brass

04-04-2020, 22:23

They closed because, and I quote "many members and the caretaker are in the high risk demographic. This virus KILLS people in that demographic. Did you get that, sir? IT KILLS PEOPLE."

Quoted from the email and emphasis is theirs.

That's an email written by a very scared, panicked individual. Under normal circumstances, I'd be pissed, but in this case, it is tragic.

I've never seen any club by-laws that allow the president or the board to close the club and deny access to members in good standing on a whim. It seems that the boards of CRC and AGC should reopen now that they're not subject to closure orders, and/or the boards need to resign and pass the baton to replacement individuals who are better emotionally prepared to function during this trying time.

Gun club access is serious business during a serious time.

rondog

04-05-2020, 02:02

BLGC better be fuckin' open......

jreifsch80

04-05-2020, 03:46

Wcfw is open to members just the organized events are canceled

bellavite1

04-05-2020, 07:02

Silverbullet is only open for retail as of now : gun sales, ammo sales, FFL transfers and accessories.

We are NOT charging monthly membership dues until we reopen the shooting range.

We are taking a beating but we'll put the customer and staff safety before profit as long as we can and when we do reopen the range it will be strictly following state guidelines.

In the meanwhile we are taking the chance to do some maintenance and improvements on the range.

Ripper

04-05-2020, 08:26

80786

Current CRC home page as of a few minutes ago

funkymonkey1111

04-05-2020, 08:59

beast556

04-05-2020, 09:55

NCRGC is still open to members only. All public events closed for now. Went shooting yesterday and the range was packed.

bellavite1

04-05-2020, 11:05

Big difference between Federal GUIDELINES and State ORDER.
I believe the latter is the law.

Brass

04-05-2020, 11:36

Big difference between Federal GUIDELINES and State ORDER.
I believe the latter is the law.

Why do you believe that?

bellavite1

04-05-2020, 12:06

Why do you believe that?

To quote the Golden Gun Club:

"***** RANGE CLOSURE UPDATE, APRIL 1, 2020 *****

The range will remain closed through the expiration of Colorado's Stay at Home Order. Some have emailed the Board to state that ranges are classified as essential services in Department of Homeland Security (DHS) guidelines. We are aware of this information.

The DHS guidelines are suggestions to state and local governments and do not carry with them legal authority or force of law. From the first page of the DHS document (bold in original):

This list is intended to help State, local, tribal and territorial officials as they work to protect their communities, while ensuring continuity of functions critical to public health and safety, as well as economic and national security. Decisions informed by this list should also take into consideration additional public health considerations based on the specific COVID-19-related concerns of particular jurisdictions.

This list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be considered, a federal directive or standard. Additionally, this advisory list is not intended to be the exclusive list of critical infrastructure sectors, workers, and functions that should continue during the COVID-19 response across all jurisdictions. Individual jurisdictions should add or subtract essential workforce categories based on their own requirements and discretion.

The guideline identifying ranges as a critical function was not adopted by the State of Colorado. While gun shops are considered critical retail, Colorado's order does not exempt shooting ranges. We understand that various enforcement measures may be implemented. The Board's duty is to the health, safety and longevity of the Club. As such, the Board voted to remain closed during the Stay at Home Order. As the Order evolves or is amended, the Board will consider the same. Please check this site for updates, and a reminder that the Range Information Line (303-512-9742) is the official source of closure and cancellation notices.

David J. Thrower
President, Golden Gun Club"

Brass

04-05-2020, 12:36

"This executive order means Coloradans should not be leaving their homes except for critical activities including:

Or participating in outdoor recreation at a legally-mandated safe distance of six feet or more from other parties"

Full text of the order is here: https://www.colorado.gov/governor/news/gov-polis-announces-statewide-stay-home-order-provides-update-colorado-response-covid-19

FromMyColdDeadHand

04-05-2020, 15:00

Thinking about how a letter to the BODs at CRC and AGC would go. How is that the two ranges I belong two are the panty twisters?

Are we bound by an arbitration clause at the Clubs, or could we sue to get them open? I really do want to know who the exact BOD members that voted for this are.

Any thoughts?

**********************

To The Board of Directors XXX Range

I request that the BOD of directors clarify and go on the record regarding the shutting down the of the ranges. Closing the ranges isn't a correct interpretation of the relevant documents.

The pertinent docs:

The order:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O1EDCY6-A6QBKxzDImCSF8bBBdOOI3Km/view

And the details:
https://sjbpublichealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Public_Health_Order_20-20_3-25-20.pdf

The continued closure of the ranges are at odds with the wording and intent of the Governor?s directive in Executive Orders D 2020 017 (Ordering Coloradans to Stay at Home Due to the Presence of COVID-19 in the State) and the details laid out in the Public Health Order 20-24.

When you consider:
- Retail firearm locations are open to sell guns, but the ranges to ensure their proper operation and functioning along with required zeroing are closed doesn't make sense.
- Outdoor recreational areas and parks are open and are actually encouraged to be used during this lock down.
- The facilities are built to exceed the outdoor spacing required for people and require very little interaction or sharing of equipment. The berms are by definition acceptable for spacing.
- A number of outdoor ranges, public and private, are open for use and have not been cited or used as example of areas that violate the EO or the PHO guidlines.
- The gate is the only common materials that would be touched, and those are no different than a door used at any number of open locations.
- Continued closure will force members to use open space ranges, public ranges, and other facilities that aren't as safe for themselves and the public.
- If there ever was a time for some 'Range Therapy' this is it.

For all these reasons the club ranges should be open to use at this time.

AGC Specific: While the health of the employees and volunteers are the highest priority, the facility can be used with no risk to them with some simple steps. To reduce the chances of personal contact, close the clubhouse to use. While the known distance ranges and trap ranges have some commonly use surfaces, those are all exterior surfaces that are not conducive to the spread of the virus. If in the name of being overly cautious, those were to remain closed while the berms stayed active, I think that would be a good compromise.

I also request that a recorded vote be taken of the board of directors so that we know who is responsible for this decision so that they may be properly held accountable during their next election.

Do the right thing. Do the smart thing. Open the ranges.

Regards,

RANGERRON72

04-05-2020, 19:37

Communicated with CRC Board members 3/31 and got the reply that the lawyer advised...….. Doesn't make sense. Its a private club, private property, and weekdays social distancing was the norm. Certainly events need to be cancelled. I will ping the Board again, I don't know what they are afraid of... not like Adams County Sheriff is going to raid the place.... Need to test some of the hand loads for the 2020 high power season. Keeping it closed on weekdays is just going to build up a pent up demand to use the range as soon as it opens...…. FWIW. I will also make the statement that CRC is the best run club I have ever been a member of, much better than Golden Gun Club..... so I do have a high level of trust in the CRC Board, while I disagree with their decision..... had to go to Dragonman to chrono some loads last Tuesday.....Life Insurance and will were up to date...….

def90

04-05-2020, 19:53

Blucore is opening up the range to the public tomorrow. They will be limiting the number of people in the range at any time, I would guess that they will be leaving an empty booth between each active shooting lane. Any modern indoor lane should be safe, they are all designed with a certain amount of cfm airflow that moves from the shooting position to the front of the range in order to evacuate smoke and lead particulate from the air in the shooter area.

ChickNorris

04-05-2020, 21:13

Yeah, they charged me for March & April, better be open or I want a refund. Matter of principle.

The refund was a discount last time - only if you spend more money & buy our wears &/or services - so sorry we were closed, again - isn't going to sit well with me.

Back to our regularly scheduled...

Brass

04-05-2020, 21:42

Communicated with CRC Board members 3/31 and got the reply that the lawyer advised...….. .

Ron, what do you mean? What reply "that the lawyer advised"? Did they have their attorney respond to you, and if so, can you please post what your communication was and what their lawyer's response was?

Did the board's lawyer happen to quote the part of the by-laws that allow the board to close the club on a whim?

BTW, no need to go to Dragon Man, just PM me and I'll invite you to Clear Creek Sportsmans Club as my guest. It's only 100 yards, but good enough for chrono, zeroing, and load development work. I know you from the 600 yard any/any matches at CRC.

FromMyColdDeadHand

04-05-2020, 23:00

Ron, what do you mean? What reply "that the lawyer advised"? Did they have their attorney respond to you, and if so, can you please post what your communication was and what their lawyer's response was?

Did the board's lawyer happen to quote the part of the by-laws that allow the board to close the club on a whim?

BTW, no need to go to Dragon Man, just PM me and I'll invite you to Clear Creek Sportsmans Club as my guest. It's only 100 yards, but good enough for chrono, zeroing, and load development work. I know you from the 600 yard any/any matches at CRC.

There is legal consul listed on the CRCI website.

Robert A. Lees (ral@robertalees.com) - 303.292.1020 (tel:303.292.1020)
Robert A. Lees & Associates
5290 DTC Parkway, Suite 150
Greenwood Village, CO 80111
www.robertalees.com (http://www.robertalees.com/)

Most of the board has emails listed. I?m sending my letter to the ones that emails listed in the lawyer. I would suggest that we all contact the BOD about how we are not happy with this erroneous decision. I definitely want to hear them get on the record as to who wants the club closed and he wants it open. And then I?m definitely going to make sure that the people that vote against opening don?t get elected next time.

on a related topic, will anyone here admits to having a connection with Polis so that when the follow up order comes after April 11 that include gun stores and ranges as specifically exempted.

RANGERRON72

04-06-2020, 11:53

I had received the following reply to an email I sent the President of CRC on the late afternoon of March 30. Reply received from a board member which is pasted below. You can see how the "attorney" was mentioned in this reply email. They seem to think that "NECESSARY TRAVEL" is a factor but no where in the PHO PUBLIC HEALTH ORDER is there a restriction on travelling to a state park, or other open space for recreational activities (barring any gatherings). I don't understand the logic, but below its pasted.

Ron

Dennis asked me to respond to your email. The “Stay at Home” health Order 20-24 was sent on 03-25 and amended on 0-26 and 0-27-2020. We are very lucky that the governor included “Firearm Stores” as Critical Retail. This has been interpreted to mean licensed dealers or FFL holders. The CRC does not fit into that category. Strict guidelines have also been set up for “Necessary Travel” and driving to the Club does not fall into those that category.

Colorado Clays, Golden Gun Club, Arvada Rifle and Pistol Club and Aurora Gun club are also closed. Our attorney has indicated that this is a National Emergency and that “the Lockdown is On”. The Club, because of this proclamation and to help contain the virus, is now CLOSED. The Health Order stipulates until April 11 ,2020 and we may have the time extended by the government.

Sorry for the inconvenience but we are Living in Strange Times.

Sincerely

Eric P

04-06-2020, 17:43

Attorneys are risk adverse, and because we have far too many, cya is thier global policy.

I would ask for a refund for the time they are closed FOR NO GOOD REASON.

kidicarus13

04-06-2020, 17:56

Attorneys are risk adverse, and because we have far too many, cya is thier global policy.

I would ask for a refund for the time they are closed FOR NO GOOD REASON.I'm just sayin', there are some spell-checking MFers on this forum...
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Eric P

04-06-2020, 19:36

I tend to ignore spelling nazis if all they can focus on is a misspellin.

CHA-LEE

04-06-2020, 21:47

Use how these weak clubs buckle under the pressure of CYA at the expense of the members to guide your future patronage. “Nice Range” or not, if it’s run by a bunch of idiots do you really want to be a part of it?

Brass

04-06-2020, 22:07

Use how these weak clubs buckle under the pressure of CYA at the expense of the members to guide your future patronage. ?Nice Range? or not, if it?s run by a bunch of idiots do you really want to be a part of it?

No. I think a Ben Lomond membership is in my future. Awesome range, nice clubhouse with bathrooms and running water, and a pretty drive. I never would have noticed it if the Carbine Match hadn't moved there.

ANADRILL

04-06-2020, 22:50

They closed after the initial colorado "say at home" order, but announced the range was re-opening as of April 2, with daily hours from 10am to 6pm.

I didn't go shoot, but went for a walk sat, and cherry creek was open.

FromMyColdDeadHand

04-07-2020, 00:19

Spiffed it up a bit, and sent my letter to the BOD members. With the tone of AGC letter that was sent out and being a new member, I'll hold off on them for now. I really don't know how the caretaker and the range officers work there. Are they always there?

Bottom llne is that the ranges should be open. I really can't fathom how they can see any real liability, and the risk is so small at those facilities. Most of the time I go, even on the KD ranges, I don't come close to people. Never mind the berms. The literally bomb proof berms...

Hopefully with the extension the boards will see the light and not keep the ranges closed for months at a time.

CS1983

04-07-2020, 07:36

The FUDD range experience is less about shooting and more about socializing. The idea that people could go, shoot, talk from a distance if needed, and not be 2 feet from each other for 4 hours hemming and hawing about their new 1911's; Trump said X; the NRA dinner coming up; etc., is confusing to the FUDD.

ray1970

04-07-2020, 08:04

I don?t see what the big deal is. I mean as long as they?re open in time to get sighted in for hunting this fall we?re all good. Right?

CS1983

04-07-2020, 08:10

I don?t see what the big deal is. I mean as long as they?re open in time to get sighted in for hunting this fall we?re all good. Right?

Indeed. Cus that's effectively the RINO understanding of the 2nd Amendment. lol.

A dues-paying sporting and hunting subculture, being necessary to the betterment of a State coffers, the permission of the people to keep and bear hunting/sporting Arms, shall not be infringed unless the SCOTUS forgets their place and purpose.

Gman

04-07-2020, 08:14

"Nobody needs an AK-14 shoulder thing that goes up for hunting."

copfish

04-07-2020, 08:24

Pueblo West Sportsmans Association is open, events are cancelled.

DireWolf

04-07-2020, 08:28

Just my .02, but the way that place is run (or isn't) is disgraceful and does an incredible disservice to the shooting community around here...

The NRA comment above is apt, as both have a serious issue with embedded leadership who for one reason or another (money or pride, motivations are largely irrelevant in the big picture) refuses to step aside and allow 'new blood'.

I let my membership expire several years ago when the last straw was hit, and have no intention of renewing until the current BOD choses to either resign and make way for new leadership, or drags their collective asses across the line into the new millennium (I'm almost suprised they don't require all official correspondence to be sent by fucking carrier pidgeon w/ wax-seal and refuse to acknowledge any other form of communications).

That may seem harsh, but they need to shit or get off the damn pot...

JethroBodine

04-07-2020, 08:44

I think most ranges have to have a RSO on duty during the hours of operation due to Liability Insurance. The only people I know that have the kind of time it takes to staff the range seven days a week are retired and in the High Risk group. I believe the ranges should stay open to it's members as long as they can maintain Social distancing but not everyone takes this Pandemic as seriously as others. My kids didn't take it serious until it started hitting close to home. A friend of my sons lost a 45 year old guy that worked for him and has another friend whose Dad is in ICU with the virus, not sure how old he is. So it doesn't just affect the High Risk group. Be careful and stay safe!

fj605

04-07-2020, 09:09

Ripper

04-07-2020, 09:43

CRC's policy on range officers is the first member on the line is the RO until they leave. Ben Lomond's policy is the same. This is what's posted in their rules and regs on their respective websites. As I'm not a member at either range, I don't know if there's someone around full time or not.

Don't believe i've ever seen a "staff" member out there (CRC) during the week. Rare to see even one or two others out there then.

ray1970

04-07-2020, 10:33

I let my membership expire several years ago

I seriously came close to not renewing this year. The thought of finding my checkbook, an envelope, and a stamp just seemed like more hassle than it?s worth.

But, I do like the facilities and the fact that I can have free run of the place during the week due to a serious lack of crowds. Also, I plan to try and get out more this year than previous years and I am just too lazy to start the search for a new range right now.

CHA-LEE

04-07-2020, 10:33

If I was a paying member of these clubs that fully close due to whatever bullshit COVID-19 reasons, I would demand a membership fee refund for the full duration that the range is closed. These clubs seem to forget that they sold a "Product" to a "Customer" and if that product isn't what the customer paid for a refund is in order.

When a club is faced with shelling out $$$$ in refunds, or keep the range open and force the "at risk care taker" into quarantine the decision will be simple. If these ranges bank accounts start getting a donkey punch due to refunds, they will change their strategy on how to handle the situation.

Here is a good example of these potential refund numbers based on CRC's current membership numbers and costs. Annual "Associate" membership fee $65 times 1300 total members divided by 12 months = $7041.66. This also assumes that all of the memberships are the cheaper "Associate" level and not the more expensive "Family" level. This monthly membership refund number is more likely $8000 - $9000 once you account for all of the varied levels of memberships. This monthly refund cost doesn't even account for all of the expenses associated with processing and mailing 1300 refund checks which is easily another $500 - $1000 on top of that. Basically put, if a range is forced to shell out $10K or more PER MONTH it is closed for bullshit reasons, they won't close the range.

Hold these clubs accountable for defrauding you of your PREPAID membership.

Irving

04-07-2020, 10:38

Agree, and I'd go as far as having an attorney draft my refund request letter, since that's who they listen to.

Sawin

04-07-2020, 10:46

As an Executive Board Member of Green Mill Sportsman’s club, I can tell you the leadership of each club is just that... their own leadership and subject to their own decisions... Green Mill Sportsman’s club is open to all members despite group shoots and organized matches having to be canceled. If you disagree with how the board of your club has handled things, recently for this Covid19 event, in the past, or in the future, please be sure you engage with them during annual meetings, email, phone calls, whatever avenue is best for you to ensure they are representing the clubs members as broadly and consistently as possible. Just remember, how you feel might just not be how the majority of the clubs members feel.... That said, if they’re not, step up and run against them when the time comes.

Not_A_Llama

04-07-2020, 12:23

CRC’s fudd board needed some sunshine and bleach anyway, especially after the implementation of the by-permission-only “quick draw” rules. All the more reason now. I got $300 to chip in if anyone else wants to hire legal to write a stern letter.

colorider

04-07-2020, 12:52

Did not renew my CRC membership this year and was waffling on doing it last year. Simply put, the BOD is way out of touch with the members.

RANGERRON72

04-07-2020, 15:46

Having run the 600 ANY ANY and F Class matches at CRC, 2013-2018, I found working with the Board easy. when I felt we needed a new wireless PA system because of the 30-45 shooters each match, I asked the Board, got prices, was easily approved, and when I discovered I made a mistake on the price and it went up 40%, they easily approved the add on. So while I disagree with the decision to close CRC, its a decision...…. I have found it a well run club, at least in the high power side of things......But then again, high power competitive shooting is kind of stable and boring......FWIW

FromMyColdDeadHand

04-08-2020, 11:07

AGC has just sent out an email saying that they are staying closed. Funny that the document that they link to specifically states that you can go out:

"Outdoor fun, with people physically distanced at least 6 feet apart at all times"

And that is for people in different households, not the same one. They want to close the covered ranges, I get it, you can make an argument there. The berms, they have no defense.

I did respond to their email that I wanted a record of how the individual BOD members voted. Considering the last response email that was sent out, I'll probably be ex-communicated for asking. When is the voting on the BOD members at AGC?

Still no responses to my emails to all the BOD members at CRC. Hopefully they are weighing the facts and will come to a better decision that AGC. I don't want to have to run for two BODs.

O2HeN2

04-08-2020, 15:24

Just got back from Frontier Sportsman's Club in Falcon.

Beautiful day, got to visit with a good friend who's house is off limits to anyone except he and his wife.

O2

newracer

04-08-2020, 15:49

I am not currently a member of any club but if golf courses can be open I do not see why ranges cannot.

ray1970

04-08-2020, 17:40

Still no responses to my emails to all the BOD members at CRC. Hopefully they are weighing the facts and will come to a better decision that AGC.

Funny stuff. Have you tried hand writing a letter and mailing it to them? Pretty sure they hate trees because they love papers and envelopes and stamps and stuff.

FromMyColdDeadHand

04-08-2020, 18:46

Got an email back from AGC and only one member voted to keep it open.

Time to clean house.

You can't be pro-gun and anti-shooting....

sellersm

04-08-2020, 18:54

Just got back from Frontier Sportsman's Club in Falcon.

Beautiful day, got to visit with a good friend who's house is off limits to anyone except he and his wife.

O2

I need to get out there, work keeps getting in the way... maybe Friday.

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Great-Kazoo

04-08-2020, 19:46

Got an email back from AGC and only one member voted to keep it open.

Time to clean house.

You can't be pro-gun and anti-shooting....

Oh there's lots of them, even outside your gun clubs.

jreifsch80

04-08-2020, 20:39

I suggest going to board meetings when they start up again, also i suggest if you dont like how your range boards are managing the range then go when they have elections and run for the open board seats and bring plenty of range member friends to vote for you and vote for each other to change as many on the board as you see fit. If you dont want to to run for the board then find a friend at the range who does and support them. If your range board doesnt have open board meetings or voring for new board members then find a new range or accept it how it is

MarkCO

04-10-2020, 10:53

CRCI Newsletter - April 10, 2020
NOTICE

The COVID-19, Stay at Home Order, last amended by the Colorado Governor on April 06, 2020, extended the effective date until April 26, 2020. We have noted the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE) is allowing golf courses to reopen under the definition of “Engaging in Outdoor Actives”. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has released “Recommendations” that Shooting Ranges are “essential businesses” but to date this item has not been adopted by the State of Colorado. The Colorado Parks and Wildlife (CPW) considers getting exercise and fresh air as essential during these times and their shooting ranges have never closed per the Order. The Colorado Rifle Club (CRC) facility is like a park with some 2,560 acres, and our eight ranges are spread out over a mile and half in width.

With respect to the new precedents being established for the Heath Order, the Colorado Rifle Club’s Directors have determined that we will OPEN our Ranges to the individual use of our membership effective April 11, 2020 with the following mandated Restrictions:

. The majority of our members are over 60 years old and are at High Risk. If you have underlying medical issues, have a fever, or have been exposed to the COVID-19 Virus stay at home.

. All Matches and Organized Events such as the Spring Work Days and Orientation are cancelled.
. Comply with Social Distancing Requirements. Keep at least 6 feet apart.
. All camping, picnic areas and RV pads are Closed.

. Bring and utilize sanitary wipes and sanitary sprays on all locks, gates, tables, doors, target frames and vaulted toilets that you come in contact with.
. All training classes and organized practice sessions are hereby cancelled.
. All Law Enforcement training will be conducted under the guidelines of their respective municipalities.

These requirements will remain in effect until April 26, 2020 per the latest Health Order. Please check the CRCI.ORG website for updates before every trip to the Range. We will continue to update our guidelines as the Governor, CDPHE, Tri-County Health Department, and Center for Disease Control (CDC) guidelines change.

We appreciate your support in these difficult times and look forward to returning to a full schedule as conditions allow.

buffalobo

04-10-2020, 11:37

Good to hear.

I wonder, did the board "hear" or claim it was their idea to begin with?

Irving

04-10-2020, 11:44

That's great

ray1970

04-10-2020, 12:27

Good for them.

I prefer a world run by common sense over a world run by panic.

funkymonkey1111

04-11-2020, 09:40

FromMyColdDeadHand

04-11-2020, 15:46

so, was it busy today when you went out to CRC?

Busy is a relative term. We got there at 8am and had the berms to ourselves. We left at 10 and there were at least 4 berms active. I'd say about par for the course? This is always an odd time of year. Foot of snow or 80 degrees.

It was absolutely calm this morning. We had just taken some M&P15-22s and steel to blast through some ammo. Wish we had brought our 22lr long range bolt guns.

copfish

04-17-2020, 09:50

Looks like the Pueblo City/County Health Department ordered Pueblo West Sportman's Association closed. Hmmm.... Yet golf courses in Pueblo can open Monday? Wow, That's Fantastic! [Sarcasm2]

hollohas

04-21-2020, 20:05

Hahahahaha.

AGC wants to have a work party (which allows members to work-off their dues) while they continue to refuse to let members use the faculty they pay for. Unbelievable.

It's too dangerous to shoot there (Because this virus kills don't you know) but it's A-OK to come out and work.

Fucking clueless.

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MrPrena

04-21-2020, 20:18

Since I had a great experience and memory at AGC during the 90s, I will still try to remember it as a great place. However that thing was just little too much.

hollohas

04-21-2020, 20:46

I truly enjoy using the club and have for about a decade. I have never complained about any of the board's BS in the past, but this was over the line. To send a shity email to all members explicitly stating the club is closed "to protect members and staff from the deadly virus" yet then turn around and claim they're closed because to the governor's order, and please come work off your dues, is utter BS.

If the club was closed under the order, wouldn't it still be closed to a bunch of people gathering to work?

Or, if it was closed to keep members and staff safe, wouldn't they still be at risk having workers there instead of shooters? If someone picked up a gun would it magically make them a higher risk of contagion than if they had a shovel?

I have whiplash from SMH so hard.

ray1970

04-21-2020, 20:54

Funny. If I was a member I wouldn't worry about any of the work days this year. They can just knock that amount off my dues next year for me not having access to the range for the whole year.

Great-Kazoo

04-22-2020, 07:31

Funny. If I was a member I wouldn't worry about any of the work days this year. They can just knock that amount off my dues next year for me not having access to the range for the whole year.

That right there should be a mass email from every member, to the board.

Wolfshoon

04-22-2020, 18:06

At CRC today, 7 berms out of ten being used, 3-4 silhouette range, 6-7 on schuetzen and a couple on high power. Nobody on pistol or small bore. Pretty busy for midweek, probably 30+ shooters.

ray1970

04-22-2020, 21:00

Every day is a weekend if you aren?t going in to work. Probably explains the crowds.

FromMyColdDeadHand

04-23-2020, 18:26

Got an email from AGC yesterday. Says the range is open, but no guests? Every shooter needs a badge? So I can’t go shooting with my son?

The board appreciates your patience during the state-wide stay-at-home order and has voted to reopen the club under limited conditions. Once reopened, the club will be open to members only - no guests permitted. To be clear on that point, anyone coming to the club must have an AGC badge issued to that person. Badges must be visible at all times.

The following limitations will, until lifted by the board, supersede the related published AGC rules:
The clubhouse remains closed except as noted below.
Trap:
Squads of no more than three positioned at every other position - no shooters in adjacent positions will be permitted.
Coin operated use 7 days a week.
Coins may be purchased in the clubhouse Saturday and Sunday 9 - 10 AM (longer if demand requires so on any given day).
Only one member will be allowed in the clubhouse at a time to purchase coins.
No discipline shoots until further notice.
Spacing on flagged ranges will be no closer than every other position.
Berm use is limited to two hours per session and 2 members per session.
Range access / activity is limited to Club Members Only - No Guests.
Range Safety Officers will verify members only as well as their usual duties.
Clubhouse restrooms may be accessed from west side of the clubhouse only.
The limited opening will start on Monday, April 27, 2020. The limited restrictions will be lifted as the board determines the safety in doing so based upon various inputs. Your badges will not open the gate until Monday, April 27, so unless you are coming to the work party this Saturday, do not come out to the property. We hope to return to normal as soon as possible. The board has taken these actions based upon the best interest of the membership and the staff and we hope you understand.

Am I reading that right on family members? I’m fairly new to the club.

DavieD55

04-23-2020, 19:29

Got an email from AGC yesterday. Says the range is open, but no guests? Every shooter needs a badge? So I can?t go shooting with my son?

Am I reading that right on family members? I?m fairly new to the club.

That's stupid. Must be a bunch of Karens running that one.

hollohas

04-23-2020, 20:33

Got an email from AGC yesterday. Says the range is open, but no guests? Every shooter needs a badge? So I can?t go shooting with my son?

Am I reading that right on family members? I?m fairly new to the club.You read that right. You may not bring family members unless they are badged (which I think only spouses can possibly do). Also, it's not open yet. Opens on Monday.

FromMyColdDeadHand

04-23-2020, 21:12

I noticed that you can finger bang and cough all over the trap machines all you want. You can spew all over the inside of the clubhouse.

The AGC Board would screw up an orgy with nymphomaniacs ODing on ecstasy...

Hoser

04-24-2020, 06:55

Dont forget the best way to fix this is run for a board position. Fix it from within.

FromMyColdDeadHand

04-27-2020, 17:40

Dont forget the best way to fix this is run for a board position. Fix it from within.

May 12th is the next BOD, looks like we have until Aug 25th to announce to run for the BOD.

electronman1729

05-01-2020, 12:58

Sorry ask this, but are guests allowed at CRC? I cant open the posting.

Wolfshoon

05-01-2020, 18:36

Sorry ask this, but are guests allowed at CRC? I cant open the posting.

Yes you can bring guests. All organized match events have been cancelled until after may 10th to avoid large groups of people together. See calendar for specifics as it is the only official notice published by CRC https://crci.org/EventSchedule/tabid/2560/Default.aspx

FromMyColdDeadHand

05-02-2020, 16:37

It is Aurora that won?t allow guests. You can use the clubhouse, but you can?t bring a guest. I did get one official response from the board that was very well written and laid out the rationale for it. I also got one extremely snotty and inappropriate email from one of the Board of Directors members. I did get one official response from the board that was very well written and laid out the rationale for it. Their excuse was that people may bring people outside of their family as a guest and break Quarantine along with making it look like they are ?open to the public?. Neither is a very persuasive argument. I also got a ?personal? unofficial email from one of the board of director members that was inappropriate and condescending.

I?m going To the Board of Directors meeting on the 12th. It sounds like you can throw your hat in the ring for the elections even though it sounds like there much later in the year. For the correspondence I got from the board of directors it was a unanimous decision to not allow family members, and the earlier decision to keep the club closed. It sounds like the elections aren?t until later this year, but we might as well put them on notice. Maybe it will help them for making more crappy decisions, especially if we go into lockdown again.

I almost always take my kid shooting with me. Maybe these old FUDDs don?t have family members that live with them or shoot, so it?s not a big issue if they can?t take family member shooting. To me, it is a big issue. Going into the summer it becomes even a bigger issue, especially if we are in a semi-lockdown and there are limited opportunities for the kids to do organized sports and other functions.