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First off I don?t know crap about scopes. I have been trying to educate myself and it?s making my brain hurt, so I turn to y?all who are more educated in this field. Thank you in advance for your help.
This scope was pointed out to me and during comparisons in its price range seems to come out in the lead. Which reticle would be the best to learn. Since I don?t know either. I have always shot iron sites.
https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-strike-eagle-5-25x56-ffp.html?vortex_reticle=1500
Are you planning on shooting targets from a bench, hunting, or both?
Planing on a little of both
Vortex makes good scopes. That 5-25 is a good choice.
In that price range, take a look at Burris also.
Thedave showed me this one
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/178258-Burris-Extreme-Tactical-5x25x56-FFP-MIL-MIL-SCR-652-49
Still $760 for a Burris XTR-II 5-25x56, just a funky camo, and there are discount codes out there
I’ll be honest from what I read the vortex seems better or iam I missing something and what should I be looking for?
Thanks for putting up with my questions
I'm interested in seeing where this discussion goes. I also don't know squat about scopes.
Any good videos out there regarding preferred reticles and how they're used?
ghettodub
05-11-2020, 19:05
I have a Vortex on mine. Haven't shot it yet; just had my gunsmith do a proper mount on it.
Got mine from A&A: https://aaoptics.com/
buffalobo
05-11-2020, 19:23
https://precisionrifleblog.com/2013/07/20/mil-vs-moa-an-objective-comparison/
Read about scopes. What you select depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it.
Look thru lots of scopes.
Always get the best glass you can afford.
Both Burris and Vortex are good choices in your range.
I run mostly Vortex because it seems to be best deal price to glass in my price range.
buffalobo
05-11-2020, 19:34
In my limited experience MRAD is the reticle of choice for pros in long range precision shooting.
Delfuego
05-11-2020, 21:26
Viper PST 5-25 (Gen2) or the Burris XTR 2 would both do you well. The Vortex has a better warranty. The XTR is more durable. For the XTR, the 4-20 is a better scope optically. Athlon is another good scope for the money. On the low-end (sub $1k) those are the 3 I would recommend. FFP and mil/mil are what I run for everything.
If you wanna spend more, the options are limitless. Let us know your exact budget and the game you want to play and we can help further.
This is way cheaper than what Delfuego is talking about, but this is what I recently put onto my .308 that got me my antelope and allowed me to confidently shoot out past 100 yards for the first time in my life. For $300ish, this is a great way to break you into the "long range" game so you can learn what you want/need before you go drop a Manhattan mortgage payment on a scope without knowing what you're getting into.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eCMH50PrNcKAJ7XjmSrtPTY81vFQ0cABq0ovLfpzaBUFCAUoW pjiBcV0YJOZsnjv9RuEqgXy1LuVDmM9HPGeBjZ1u65st7Co7fb 6tZgFsSqqJ5LC9slBUU1t-5kS5yk1X9d2O8pHIDfpmi_DUMtZCjvA=w1112-h625-no?authuser=0
Here is the reticle.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3f5G9SjHCSbu7K2ePslb4ClI9QK2Xg2qO9DpcmooDi4KVMIBKt 1UAuAvP4Mny5_tB4ZM50kew7yZjHfdnfCQa1i0Kocx8-rO6oqEVHmJ9zGFRaj-54D6o-VqVT5m1F6h7ObfAcnmk-A-fSlTW0htzjXUg=w1112-h625-no?authuser=0
And here I was able to do this two shot group at 400 yards from just a dope sheet I got online after putting in generic info. Not a huge battery of tests, but I sure was happy about it.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eIMHgJSTQwG99AmmQ4pWerpPIkvTMK1StP9OjkqB2vpvorccp NXHCASKbZYMd2ex_iojE7UYseOSzgcCN3qttCWSzeN232TXTF2 qIx_vKehZkuZzx_oFIqX_CihjvdbHEHos8Fx1cQVII7HvMwChR fMA=w1112-h625-no?authuser=0
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Viper PST 5-25 (Gen2) or the Burris XTR 2 would both do you well. The Vortex has a better warranty. The XTR is more durable. For the XTR, the 4-20 is a better scope optically. Athlon is another good scope for the money. On the low-end (sub $1k) those are the 3 I would recommend. FFP and mil/mil are what I run for everything.
If you wanna spend more, the options are limitless. Let us know your exact budget and the game you want to play and we can help further.
https://precisionrifleblog.com/2013/07/20/mil-vs-moa-an-objective-comparison/
Read about scopes. What you select depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it.
Look thru lots of scopes.
Always get the best glass you can afford.
Both Burris and Vortex are good choices in your range.
I run mostly Vortex because it seems to be best deal price to glass in my price range.
The budget looks like 700 to 850 + or -
since I am looking at hunting and long range shooting having a lower starting parallax to infinity would be beneficial
the 56mm would also be on the list because of the dawn and dusk hunting part.
Then I came across this
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022500965?pid=444821
I haven?t seen crimson in ay of the scope reviews
I'm interested in seeing where this discussion goes. I also don't know squat about scopes.
Any good videos out there regarding preferred reticles and how they're used?
"Tactical" reticles basically come in two flavors: crosshair with mil-dots/hash marks and increasingly more complicated variants thereof, or christmas tree.
The xmas tree is good for when you either 1) don't want to dial wind/elevation, or 2) if your wind call was off and you can see the offset of the shot's impact. The latter requires a solid driving of the rifle to be effective, and it's better than an "out in space" hold on a quick shot where you either don't have time to dial or the situation dictates dialing is counterproductive (think coyote running at your call, LRF actually lazed something near an animal but not the animal, etc.).
Personally, I like the trees. I hate dialing. The tree allows for minimal dialing, if at all, depending on the ballistics and target distance. A lot comes down to user preference and budget.
MOA or MRAD/Mil doesn't matter so long as you have one which is MOA/MOA or Mil/Mil. It's a Ford vs Chevy argument. However, you also want to match up with your spotter reticle (if it has one, and it should), so whomever is calling shots can give on the fly corrections. And, if you are shooting with a consistent group of guys, and they're all running Mil/Mil, probably not a bad idea to run Mil/Mil.
This is way cheaper than what Delfuego is talking about, but this is what I recently put onto my .308 that got me my antelope and allowed me to confidently shoot out past 100 yards for the first time in my life. For $300ish, this is a great way to break you into the "long range" game so you can learn what you want/need before you go drop a Manhattan mortgage payment on a scope without knowing what you're getting into.
I get where your coming from on not diving in head first but I purchased a rifle that are guaranteed to produce groups of 1.0 MOA or less at 100 yards with quality factory match grade ammunition. They will do even better with hand loads from the tests I have seen.
From past dealings I have learned to purchase the best I can afford the first time for a number of reasons.
I want to give the rifle, the scope and myself the best chances.
Nash, even a run of the mill Savage w/ that scope Irving posted will indeed produce 1MOA or less at 100 yards.
Scope tech has come a long way from the days when needing to spend as much on the scope as one did on the rifle, or more, was a thing.
If you went with something to mess around with while you discern the minutiae of options, it wouldn't be an awful idea. It has a good reticle and Vortex's warranty. Could easily flip it once you decide on something more permanent.
That picture at 400 yards is less than 1moa with a $300 Vortex on a $300 Savage.
ChickNorris
05-12-2020, 17:34
Nash, sorry I haven't replied to your question in the other thread yet which has now migrated to its own started here.. if you're willing to wait a bit longer so when I'm feeling better later this week I can tell you everything I've experienced in the last few months with regards to selecting ammo & various optics that Ive had opportunity to use moa/mil, scr/ebr/tremor, vortex/burris etc., & what I plan to buy & why. I was in a similar position not too long ago & might have a unique & relatable perspective because of it. Though this is my first bolt gun & I believe you're already familiar. Our budgets are a little different but that doesn't change lessons here or experience imo.
Do want to say this however, Im consistently shooting 1/3 moa from my zero out to 1000 yrds with Hornady factory in my new Bergara so you don't necessarily need to be chasing gear or load development. Ive been concentrating on the fundamentals of shooting lr & understanding ballistics specifically 6.5cm & knowing how to use each reticle properly & for what each was designed to do, they are not all basically the same in my experience. Also, I haven't limited myself, Ive learned to dial & hold because there's application & need for both.
Ok, im on serious meds after surgery so hopefully the above made some sense but I suspect if I add much more I'll lose my point & audience alike. Hopefully you'll be interested in what I have to share & I think it might help you. Sorry im just not up to it right now but Im excited to share.
I am far from an expert, but after a fair amount of research I went with a 2-10x42 illuminated Leupold for hunting only.
Considerations were weight, dimensions, and the intended application. Keep in mind that I am completely inexperienced when it comes to harvesting game here :(
With our tag system, I may remain unblooded for years because out-of-state guys provide much more revenue to CPW :(
Delfuego
05-12-2020, 22:52
The budget looks like 700 to 850 +
since I am looking at hunting and long range shooting having a lower starting parallax to infinity would be beneficial
the 56mm would also be on the list because of the dawn and dusk hunting part. [/QUOTE]
For $800+/- I would definitely get a PST Gen2 5-25x. If you have +$1k then a used Gen1 Razor or Athlon Cronus. If you can't find one for the price your looking PM and I can try to help.
Dont think 56mm will mak a bit of difference on low light. It all about the glass quality and the mechanics. You can buy a scope, telescope or camera lens with all the same specs as a very expensive german optic and it will never ever compare. There is no free lunch. If you buy it wrong, you will buy it twice. There is a reason Zeiss scopes cost so much.
Then I came across this
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022500965?pid=444821
I haven?t seen crimson in ay of the scope reviewsDON'T DO IT....
Delfuego
05-12-2020, 22:57
Im consistently shooting 1/3 moa from my zero out to 1000 yrds with Hornady factory in my new Bergara All due respect, but you can take that over to Typer's Hide and just need to add "all day long, if I do my part" on the end.
ChickNorris
05-12-2020, 23:05
All due respect, but you can take that over to Typer's Hide and just need to add "all day long, if I do my part" on the end.
I don't know what that means
Nash, sorry I haven't replied to your question in the other thread yet which has now migrated to its own started here.. if you're willing to wait a bit longer so when I'm feeling better later this week I can tell you everything I've experienced in the last few months with regards to selecting ammo & various optics that Ive had opportunity to use moa/mil, scr/ebr/tremor, vortex/burris etc., & what I plan to buy & why. I was in a similar position not too long ago & might have a unique & relatable perspective because of it. Though this is my first bolt gun & I believe you're already familiar. Our budgets are a little different but that doesn't change lessons here or experience imo.
Do want to say this however, Im consistently shooting 1/3 moa from my zero out to 1000 yrds with Hornady factory in my new Bergara so you don't necessarily need to be chasing gear or load development. Ive been concentrating on the fundamentals of shooting lr & understanding ballistics specifically 6.5cm & knowing how to use each reticle properly & for what each was designed to do, they are not all basically the same in my experience. Also, I haven't limited myself, Ive learned to dial & hold because there's application & need for both.
Ok, im on serious meds after surgery so hopefully the above made some sense but I suspect if I add much more I'll lose my point & audience alike. Hopefully you'll be interested in what I have to share & I think it might help you. Sorry im just not up to it right now but Im excited to share.
Yes it makes sense at least to me. I am more then willing to get any and all the info you would like to share. Its on your time when ever you feel up to it. After reading how you were going down that rabbit hole and happened to be at the shop who pointed the rabbit hole out. I didn?t go down he hole as far. I decided to open my mouth and ask them about it. I ended up getting a Bergara also from them. The only bolt guns I have are a bunch of old 22?s and old military rifles. The rest are all semi-autos with iron sights.
I?m starting my research before the rifle shows up. Since I first posted about what scope would be the best for the budget I set there is about 5 or 6 scopes I need to put my hands on and see what my eyes think of them. Then do some more research.
I appreciate you willing to share.
since I am looking at hunting and long range shooting having a lower starting parallax to infinity would be beneficial
the 56mm would also be on the list because of the dawn and dusk hunting part.
For $800+/- I would definitely get a PST Gen2 5-25x. If you have +$1k then a used Gen1 Razor or Athlon Cronus. If you can't find one for the price your looking PM and I can try to help.
Dont think 56mm will mak a bit of difference on low light. It all about the glass quality and the mechanics. You can buy a scope, telescope or camera lens with all the same specs as a very expensive german optic and it will never ever compare. There is no free lunch. If you buy it wrong, you will buy it twice. There is a reason Zeiss scopes cost so much.
DON'T DO IT....[/QUOTE]
Iam not even close to pulling the trigger (ha) yet.
I think a trip to Cabela?s and bass pro to put Hans on some scopes tomorrow.
i will update my findings after my trip to the stores.
thanks for your help
ChickNorris
05-13-2020, 01:00
He meant Snipers Hide.
Thanks Drew. I understand now.
Think snide might be a better word.
Ouch.
First off I don?t know crap about scopes. I have been trying to educate myself and it?s making my brain hurt, so I turn to y?all who are more educated in this field. Thank you in advance for your help.
This scope was pointed out to me and during comparisons in its price range seems to come out in the lead. Which reticle would be the best to learn. Since I don?t know either. I have always shot iron sites.
https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-strike-eagle-5-25x56-ffp.html?vortex_reticle=1500
Take into consideration a 6.5C is very capable out to 1000yrds when looking for a scope. Since this is your 1st long poker you may not think you'll be shooting at that distance but you will eventually.
50mm objective and 30mm tube is the baseline for low light conditions.
Mill Dot type reticles allow you to adjust your shots providing you understand how they work.
Adjustable turrets for doping are a must for long poking, zero stop return for elevation is a must too.
You can use a long range scope for hunting but a lower power scope geared towards hunting sucks for long range pokes.
SFP or FFP is debatable and both have there place everyone has personal preference.
For cost my general run of thumb is, the scope cost the same as the rifle if not more.
A solid/good set of rings will cost $100 min.
If your rifle needs a rail to mount the scope to get a 20MOA for long pokes.
ChickNorris
05-13-2020, 08:27
Delfuego, I didn't mean to come off as bragging though I can see how that might have read as much if you don't know me.
Maybe your comment was just really dry humor & not necessarily meant to be mean. Hope so.
Anyhoo, I only meant that my box Bergara doesn't suck & that hopefully Nash's new rifle would be as sweet.
Going back to bed now.
thedave1164
05-13-2020, 08:47
I have both Burris and Vortex, both are good scopes, I just went with the best value at the time.
Vortex has Lifetime Warranty, Burris has Forever Warranty
Bonus for me is that Burris is right down the street, I have taken a scope for repair there before.
In the end, scope price doesn't mean much. What matters is if the thing tracks and doesn't grenade on you.
I can't remember his name, but there was a guy on Snipershide that would do tracking tests of scopes on a mount he put on an i-beam he'd attached to a railroad tie. Perfectly level. Not going anywhere. He had a target downrange and he would check tracking consistency.
A lot of butt hurt over him showing how some 2-4k dollar scopes tracked like chinese dog shit, whereas some of the burris, bushnell, and others were actually better. Go figure.
How many threads were there about USO or Hensoldt, etc., being sent back for repairs? Those aren't cheap scopes.
We have come so far with machining technology that the days of remortgaging the house for a "good" scope are gone.
Went back in there and bought it, didn't ya?
Went back in there and bought it, didn't ya?
Yes sir,
It was to good to pass up.
You might happen to have 6.5 Creedmoor brass do ya?
Delfuego, I didn't mean to come off as bragging though I can see how that might have read as much if you don't know me.
Maybe your comment was just really dry humor & not necessarily meant to be mean. Hope so.
Anyhoo, I only meant that my box Bergara doesn't suck & that hopefully Nash's new rifle would be as sweet.
Going back to bed now.
That’s the reason I bought one because of yours and yours is not the only one all the others that They have sold shot like that out of the box.
The reviews are saying they are getting the same results as you. Reviews I kinda take with a grain of salt. After what I was told from reputable people (including you) I was sold.
Linkless
05-18-2020, 18:26
A little late to the party, but Grafs has Sightron's at 25% off right now. A SIII 6-24 with your choice of reticle would be my suggestion.
Delfuego
05-20-2020, 20:57
Since I first posted about what scope would be the best for the budget I set there is about 5 or 6 scopes I need to put my hands on and see what my eyes think of them. Then do some more research.Good call.
After all of the thinking about what scope to get I finally figured out what one to get. Here’s what I came up.
81780
81781
buffalobo
06-04-2020, 22:51
IMO best value in the class. I am very satisfied with mine, rings too.
Nice. I think you will enjoy it.
Ended up getting a few books on long distance shooting, wind adjustments and mill equations
Delfuego
06-05-2020, 13:46
Good choice.
Don't get too wrapped up in books. Either take a class or shoot a match!
ChickNorris
06-05-2020, 18:41
https://www.cprifle.com/training
Brian Whalen is an excellent instructor & worth every penny. I suggest you do a little homework before so you can get the most out of the class.
Very nice.
Most of my scopes are very outdated , but have a very good glasses. Just reticles and magnification is outdated.
I think I have those Japanese made Nikon tactical 4-16x. :D
I went to the cabelas to perhaps upgrade it to NF, but decide to keep it.
Good choice.
Don't get too wrapped up in books. Either take a class or shoot a match!
The books are for beginners. Like Chick said it’s to learn the basic stuff like the correct nomenclature and meanings. It has always pissed me off (people that never prepared for class) where we never get to finish the whole class because the instructor had to teach half the time for the basics.
https://www.cprifle.com/training
Brian Whalen is an excellent instructor & worth every penny. I suggest you do a little homework before so you can get the most out of the class.
After looking at the site if you take his classes you might have a really good chance of being a competent shooter (all depends on you, the shooter) very high reviews.
Very nice.
Most of my scopes are very outdated , but have a very good glasses. Just reticles and magnification is outdated.
I think I have those Japanese made Nikon tactical 4-16x. :D
I went to the cabelas to perhaps upgrade it to NF, but decide to keep it.
That is the type I had on one rifle all the others were iron sites.
Your never to old to learn something new every day (at least I try to)
+1 for Brian. I’ve never taken one of his courses, but having met him he is very knowledgeable and honestly one of the nicest guys on the Front Range shooting scene.
Delfuego
06-06-2020, 11:23
Whalen is a stud.
No matter your skill level, you will learn a lot from him.
If you can get a few friends together at your same skill level you will get great results.
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