Too much

[<MADDOG>]

I appreciate some members dedication, but sometimes the said devotion overwhelms the rest of the threads.

Make one thread perhaps?

[ChickNorris]

Sorry, I'm not following. One thread for?

[MrPrena]

Probably not going to happen. Past X amount of years, people mentioned about 1 thread. Sub-forum dedicated to that specific topic. Didn't happened.

[<MADDOG>]

I apologize, as I thought it would be obvious...

Please make a thread for for Kev.

He is passionate about fallen LE, and it shows. I get it, as most of us do.

However, IMO, the passion can overwhelm the HD thread.

[XJ]

Mod edit - If you cant be civil then find somewhere else to hang out.

[<MADDOG>]

Mod edit - If you cant be civil find somewhere else to hang out.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'm going to disagree. The individual threads make a statement that a single consolidated one wouldn't. It's easy enough to scroll down or skip pages if you want.

[Not_A_Llama]

It just strikes me as so strange. They’re all just copy-paste jobs from the odmp.org website. I can visit the website anytime.

We should be honoring military deaths, too. Fire service would be nice, as well.

[TheGrey]

Hi Folks.

It had been briefly considered, at one time, to make a sticky or subforum for all of the LEO deaths. As was mentioned here, the individual posts make a statement that wouldn't be made if they were lumped into one section.

This forum was started by an LEO; we carry the respect for the sacrifices made by officers by the solemn reminders of KenDev's posts.
Not_a_Llama, are you volunteering to begin posting fallen military and Fire service? It is quite a commitment.

[hurley842002]

Here we go again. Kev has, not only the support of the staff here, but I'm guessing most members are supportive as well. If you don't like it, move on. I get tired of seeing the word association thread bumped to the top every 3 minutes, but I'm not here crying about it.

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[KevDen2005]

Thank you for those that support my stance. I've received the blessing from the Mods and if they change their minds I will be happy to adjust what I do on their forum.

I am also passionate about the military as I am a veteran and some very close friends of mine did not make it home.

If anyone would like to discuss any of my stances or opinions please feel free to PM me.

[theGinsue]

I'm going to disagree. The individual threads make a statement that a single consolidated one wouldn't. It's easy enough to scroll down or skip pages if you want.


It just strikes me as so strange. They’re all just copy-paste jobs from the odmp.org website. I can visit the website anytime.

We should be honoring military deaths, too. Fire service would be nice, as well.


Hi Folks.

It had been briefly considered, at one time, to make a sticky or subforum for all of the LEO deaths. As was mentioned here, the individual posts make a statement that wouldn't be made if they were lumped into one section.

This forum was started by an LEO; we carry the respect for the sacrifices made by officers by the solemn reminders of KenDev's posts.
Not_a_Llama, are you volunteering to begin posting fallen military and Fire service? It is quite a commitment.

Aloha_Shooter & TheGrey sum it up very well.

We hear everyone's concerns that it can sometimes be overwhelming to the rest of the GD forum to see all of those individual posts. We do not disagree. But we also feel that each of these men and women deserve to be recognized individually for their sacrifices.

As a retired Airman, who served briefly in an LE role, I can appreciate the idea that we should also post the deaths of our active duty service men and women - but no one on the staff has the time to commit to such an endeavour. We would welcome anyone who wishes to step forward to take this on.

In the mean time, if anyone finds it bothersome, please just scroll past these threads. For anyone else, I hope that you, like me, are awestruck, humbled and saddened by the loss of so many who have sacrificed their lives to help keep order versus chaos and ensure America can be the great civilized nation for our children that we enjoyed.

Ginsue out.

ETA: Whether military or law enforcement, serving your nation and/or your community is a calling. Not all receive this calling and not all answer it. I'm very grateful for those who do. I don't mind working through each of those threads to get down to the other general discussion topics.

[Eric P]

Its much like advertising, after awhile, it becomes background noise.

[blacklabel]

Refresh your new posts and they're gone in a few minutes if it's that bothersome.

[buffalobo]

Discuss but be civil.

[jhood001]

Refresh your new posts and they're gone in a few minutes if it's that bothersome.


Winner.

[Great-Kazoo]

Winner.

Or like a radio, or tv station. ignore it. It's not an issue.

[jhood001]

Or like a radio, or tv station. ignore it. It's not an issue.

Tied for first?

[Great-Kazoo]

Tied for first?

2nd place, is the first place loser:

hey stranger

[CS1983]

I?ll be honest (hear me out). I don?t like most cops, the FBI, the ATF, etc. Basically, so-called Law Enforcement in general. It?s probably because I?m naturally rebellious and hate bullying, which so many who wear a uniform seem to excel at, and only that.

But the fact of the matter is I, we, don?t know if any particular name which KevDen posts was altruistic or an asshole. All we know is they went out every day, risking their life in ways only a small percentage of society can relate to or realistically imagine.

As such, letting God be their judge on motivations, I think it?s only fitting that we at least acknowledge those men and women.

When the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were at their occupational peak, I tried to keep up with daily deaths. To read the names, the units, the manner of death. Ultimately, I couldn?t do it anymore. It was just too hard. I only knew a handful over the years, but every one was a cut to the soul to read.

Having never been LE, I would imagine that doing that work of relating to us, who don?t wear that uniform, the fallen, also is a cut to the soul.

We carry, we train, we theorize for our own safety in situations that statistically will never come. Those statistics are far less in favor of the men and women who enforce the law.

If a moment to at least see 1, 7, or 10 fallen people is too much to look at, not even to read in depth, perhaps the mirror is the place to look and question.

[jhood001]

hey stranger

Heeeeyyyyyy! [flamingo]

[TheGrey]

I?ll be honest (hear me out). I don?t like most cops, the FBI, the ATF, etc. Basically, so-called Law Enforcement in general. It?s probably because I?m naturally rebellious and hate bullying, which so many who wear a uniform seem to excel at, and only that.

But the fact of the matter is I, we, don?t know if any particular name which KevDen posts was altruistic or an asshole. All we know is they went out every day, risking their life in ways only a small percentage of society can relate to or realistically imagine.

As such, letting God be their judge on motivations, I think it?s only fitting that we at least acknowledge those men and women.

When the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were at their occupational peak, I tried to keep up with daily deaths. To read the names, the units, the manner of death. Ultimately, I couldn?t do it anymore. It was just too hard. I only knew a handful over the years, but every one was a cut to the soul to read.

Having never been LE, I would imagine that doing that work of relating to us, who don?t wear that uniform, the fallen, also is a cut to the soul.

We carry, we train, we theorize for our own safety in situations that statistically will never come. Those statistics are far less in favor of the men and women who enforce the law.

If a moment to at least see 1, 7, or 10 fallen people is too much to look at, not even to read in depth, perhaps the mirror is the place to look and question.

Beautifully stated.

[Hoser]

If a moment to at least see 1, 7, or 10 fallen people is too much to look at, not even to read in depth, perhaps the mirror is the place to look and question.

You are a man among men.

[00tec]

Having met Kev and his family, I dont believe he would post a notice for someone if they were known to him as a bad cop. He is a straight forward dude. He is just very passionate about this subject because they are his "brothers".

I will admit, I do not read them all. However, they are no bother to me, just as the monuments at the cemetery don't cause a stir.

[Not_A_Llama]

Not_a_Llama, are you volunteering to begin posting fallen military and Fire service? It is quite a commitment.
I also work in a first responder setting, and honor the sacrifices made by those who serve alongside me. But i personally wouldn’t want an ultimate sacrifice of mine to be reduced to a copy-paste exercise that receives single digit clicks and is imposed upon an audience that largely doesn’t care, or even resents the imposition.

I won’t tell anyone what to do or not do, but I will say for my part that I have refrained from replicating the effort on my side, because I believe it is not appreciated, and is disruptive to the flow and operation of the board. It’s really high volume, and incomplete at the same time. I think it is important to highlight the exemplary, rather than dishonor another’s memory through perfunctory action for the mundane.

For my part, I can write up a script or copy-paste from my daily work bulletin. I trust the management will be accommodating.

My service is especially known for our take on colleagues being regarded as family. Like me, you might walk away with an appreciation for how many line of duty deaths result from falls or cardiac events or motor vehicle accidents or cancer from presumed hazmat exposures decades ago. The EMS side of the house also has their share of hazards and LOD deaths. I hope they will likewise be appreciated.

I suspect, though, that there’s a reason the front page of the newspaper isn’t the obituaries. Even if it is easy enough to turn the page.

[WETWRKS]

I come at this from 2 directions. First...I have no issues with the death notices being posted as they are.

Second...What I do have issues with is the mindset around here that Officers should be honored above other individuals...yet shouldn't be held to a higher standard than others. Their job is to enforce the laws...yet around here they are not expected to even know the laws. It is like having a lawyer that doesn't know the laws...that is the entire basis of their job. To know and enforce the laws.

Officers should be honored...for being held to that higher standard than everyone else.

If an Officer isn't held to a higher standard...then their workplace death is just that...a workplace death...no different from anyone else who dies doing their job.

[ChickNorris]

Ah, I understand now. I read them so it didn't occur to me that was what you meant.

I will read them no matter the location posted.

[FoxtArt]

I don't honestly see how they bother people. It's a minor inconvenience, at worst. In another way, it keys into first responder issues - like the wave lately that have been covid deaths (it disproportionately affects older first responders). Whether or not someone is good or bad is pretty irrelevant to a death notice; who here believes judgement is the court of opinion at your funeral? I've always found it distasteful when someone is disrespectful of eath notices for political opponents who we KNOW were shitheads in life (if you don't have anything nice to say...) And I see no issue with posting those either - sometimes there is respect for adversarials. The majority of these first responders on the other hand would have been decent people.


On the sum, most LEO are great, respectful people and try to honor the law. None are perfect and all have failings through the course of their respective careers. That's not to say some aren't creme de' la corrupt but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater in this circumstance, and so many other careers suffer those same issues in similar proportions. (HR, admin, management, etc.) LEO might have more power than those, but they also often have more accountability and screening.... And in any case it's all pretty irrelevant on their death.

Now, if a national incident like 9/11 were to happen again, then maybe that should be reduced to a single thread, which may better reflect the impact rather than spreading it out individually. Do covid deaths reach that? Not as of yet, there's quite a few, but it is still fairly contained.

[<MADDOG>]

Just a suggestion ladies and gentlemen. Nothing more.

[KevDen2005]

And I'm over here wondering what is so upsetting that three posts had to be removed by Mods?

[MOD: Two of the removed posts are explained by one of the participants below - not really bad, but may have been perceived as bad. The 3rd was a duplicate post - Ginsue]

Just scroll past it if you don't care. I'm not asking you to do anything with this information. It's just me passing it on. Sorry for the copy and paste job you all feel is so terrible. It was done so I wouldn't share an opinion or thoughts but post information for a reputable source.

[<MADDOG>]

XJ and myself had a jest, and it was lost in translation.

[MOD: That's the way I took it, but others that may not know the 2 of you barb each for fun may not have taken it that way. The removal & "be civil" reminder was to ensure this thread didn't degrade as so many others around here have lately. You guys have fun, but maybe throw an emoji into the mix to keep the msg from being misunderstood. Just a suggestion. - Ginsue]

[ChickNorris]

XJ and myself had a jest, and it was lost in translation.

THAT I did follow. Read funny to me.

[TheGrey]

Just scroll past it if you don't care. I'm not asking you to do anything with this information. It's just me passing it on. Sorry for the copy and paste job you all feel is so terrible. It was done so I wouldn't share an opinion or thoughts but post information for a reputable source.

The copy/paste from the other site is fine, and your reasoning is sound.

[MrPrena]

I would also like to post unfortunate death of:
-professors and teachers (public and private schools)
-security guard.
-national guards.
-state and federal judges.

Public servants and first line workers.

[Ah Pook]

I asked the same question a while back. My reasoning was so they weren’t lost off the GD page.

[Gman]

I would also like to post unfortunate death of:
-professors and teachers (public and private schools)
-security guard.
-national guards.
-state and federal judges.

Public servants and first line workers.
Thanks for volunteering.

[CS1983]

So has this turned into an o-bitch-uary thread?

A lot of forums have a memorial section. I think that wouldn’t be an awful addition, especially with the volunteering occurring for posting such notices.

[Hoser]

So has this turned into an o-bitch-uary thread?

A lot of forums have a memorial section. I think that wouldn’t be an awful addition, especially with the volunteering occurring for posting such notices.

Site staff is working some ideas behind the scenes.

[Wulf202]

Its much like advertising, after awhile, it becomes background noise.

Unlike advertising is read every single one.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It just strikes me as so strange. They’re all just copy-paste jobs from the odmp.org website. I can visit the website anytime.

We should be honoring military deaths, too. Fire service would be nice, as well.


Having never been LE, I would imagine that doing that work of relating to us, who don?t wear that uniform, the fallen, also is a cut to the soul.


I also work in a first responder setting, and honor the sacrifices made by those who serve alongside me. But i personally wouldn’t want an ultimate sacrifice of mine to be reduced to a copy-paste exercise that receives single digit clicks and is imposed upon an audience that largely doesn’t care, or even resents the imposition.


I think it is important to highlight the exemplary, rather than dishonor another’s memory through perfunctory action for the mundane.


What I do have issues with is the mindset around here that Officers should be honored above other individuals...yet shouldn't be held to a higher standard than others. Their job is to enforce the laws...yet around here they are not expected to even know the laws. It is like having a lawyer that doesn't know the laws...that is the entire basis of their job. To know and enforce the laws.

Officers should be honored...for being held to that higher standard than everyone else.

If an Officer isn't held to a higher standard...then their workplace death is just that...a workplace death...no different from anyone else who dies doing their job.

IIRC, KevDen2005 started doing this around the time that Black Lives Matter, the Obama administration, and many other celebrities and SJWs were attacking LEOs, both verbally and physically. It wasn't a matter of perceiving LEOs as better than any others or their deaths being any more tragic than servicemembers, first responders, reporters, actors, etc. It was a matter that they -- as a segment of society in general -- were under attack and we had a daily toll of people who were dying even as they were doing their their jobs and being attacked for doing so.

One hopes that the SJW lurkers who come by here occasionally will at least note the sheer number dying in the line of duty regularly.

[TheGrey]

I would also like to post unfortunate death of:
-professors and teachers (public and private schools)
-security guard.
-national guards.
-state and federal judges.

Public servants and first line workers.

Nothing is stopping you.