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Bailey Guns
06-07-2020, 05:32
BG, did you feel that there was a culture of "don't tell on one of your own"? I don't know, but he asshat that killed Floyd had something like 17 complaints filed against him in 20 years. You had 1, it sounds like. But no other officer noticed anything wrong with this guy?
Like I wrote, it just "seems" like cops aught to protect themselves by calling out the shitheads and getting them out.
I'm sure it's worse in serioisly urban areas like Chicago or NYC, so maybe you haven't experienced it as much. But the perception of cops covering for each other when bad shit happens is no bueno.
Maybe a little of that culture. But then again, I don't recall anything seriously bad happening that would've warranted that. I worked with guys that got fired for doing illegal stuff...mostly related to drugs...off duty. I recall at least two the got fired who killed themselves afterward. One at the sheriff's dept...young kid had a problem with liking little kids. Got investigated, arrested, booked, posted bond, got released, went home and hung himself. Another at the PD was ordering something by mail from an Asian country...don't recall what. I think it was something to help with stress/nerves/anxiety. He'd gone thru a divorce and was having a hard time with it. Got warned by ATF to stop and he didn't listen. Then got arrested the next time. Of course he'd been suspended once the investigation started. Once he posted bond and got out of jail he shot himself. There was no indication with either of those guys at work they were doing this shit. At least not with me.
And Cstone is right about complaints. I had several over the years. Most were pretty trivial and didn't amount to anything except a pissed off citizen that was venting because I didn't use a turn signal or something like that. A few were serious enough to get me involved in a formal investigation. It's pretty sobering to have to listen to a Garrity advisement in the internal affairs dept (similar to a Miranda advisement only you're not in custody or don't have to be in custody). I was sued several times...but only the one time that really went anywhere because most of the time it's bullshit. Oftentimes you don't even know you've been the subject of a lawsuit.
Same thing with "use of force" reports against an officer. It would probably sound pretty bad if I told you I had 15 (just an example) "use of force" reports in my file for one year. What you probably wouldn't know is a "use of force" can be as simple as firing your gun to euthanize an animal that had been struck by a car (that happened about once a month on average at the sheriff's dept with me because I worked in a mountain district). Other times it would include having to pepper spray someone to take them into custody...something like that. It varies from dept to dept. The point is, just because someone has several complaints and/or use of force reports filed on them doesn't necessarily equate to being a heavy handed, bad cop.
I never worked for a dept that had a union...well, one that was like they are back east, anyway. We had a union at the PD but it was pretty much just to negotiate with the city for pay and benefits. It was also a good excuse to have a Christmas party every year.
This is part of the problem. People think they understand police work but they really don't. Cstone is right again talking about the guys that just develop the "I don't care anymore" attitude. I recall a few of those guys. I avoided them like the plague.
Bailey Guns
06-07-2020, 05:45
Gov Cuomo in NY is complaining that protesters who've committed serious crimes are being arrested and immediately released. The problem is with the new bail "reform" legislation that went into effect Jan 1 this year. The legislation he signed into law. What a dickhead.
Great-Kazoo
06-07-2020, 08:09
Gov Cuomo in NY is complaining that protesters who've committed serious crimes are being arrested and immediately released. The problem is with the new bail "reform" legislation that went into effect Jan 1 this year. The legislation he signed into law. What a dickhead.
He's talking out both sides of his ass. He orders a stand down, then wonders why they're kicked to the street. Granted that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the law (as mentioned) he signed, with a smile.
Great-Kazoo
06-07-2020, 08:16
What i don't understand about all the protest is. I was under the impression systemic racism was resolved under the previous administration.
Hollywood, tv and other entertainment industries promised to become more inclusive.
Making sure POC's were elevated to higher profile positions, like directors, producers, writers etc.
I read some poc on a tv show has come out to complain, about her being the token colored person on the show. 2-3 years after getting the job.
Keep in mind the now woke producer / writer a hispanic, has made amends. Throw in most of the shows produced / directed as well as bankrolled on the CW is by G, Berlenati (spck) a very prominent homosexual. Who includes (if you read the blurbs) lots of lgbtabcdef actors / characters.
So is it whites who are the problem. or the gays and hispanics ?? It's a much ignored or deflected issue.
because everyone knows there was no racism until TRUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
16 years of Clinton and Obama didn't fix it.
Trump's fault.
hollohas
06-07-2020, 08:58
Same thing with "use of force" reports against an officer. It would probably sound pretty bad if I told you I had 15 (just an example) "use of force" reports in my file for one year. What you probably wouldn't know is a "use of force" can be as simple as firing your gun to euthanize an animal that had been struck by a car (that happened about once a month on average at the sheriff's dept with me because I worked in a mountain district). Other times it would include having to pepper spray someone to take them into custody...something like that.
Yeah, "use of force" is pretty low bar these days. A LEO friend of mine had a situation recently in which the individual he needed to arrest was sitting in a chair at the hospital (person needed to be checked by a doctor before going to jail). He told the individual it was time to go and asked the individual to stand up. The individual refused after multiple requests. So, the officer simply picked the individual up to stand them on their feet. No fight. No struggling. No less lethal. No different than picking up a child who refuses to move. And he was required to file a use-of-force report. He actually gave the suspect many chances to stand on their own specifically because he was trying to avoid the paperwork.
16 years of Clinton and Obama didn't fix it.
Trump's fault.
Justice for Jussie Smollett!!
lpgasman
06-07-2020, 14:39
You mean juicy?https://youtu.be/wZXoErL2124
I know some cops and the stories they tell, and defend, of "just doing their job!", wouldn't fly here at all.
Another good excuse. "I was just following order from _________."
Reminds me of Few Good Men.
https://youtu.be/1EQQYeRAT3o
Black Lives Are a Pretext (https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/06/black-lives-are-pretext-david-horowitz/)
Origins of the violent racist organization behind the riots.
Bailey Guns
06-08-2020, 04:43
Black Lives Are a Pretext (https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/06/black-lives-are-pretext-david-horowitz/)
Origins of the violent racist organization behind the riots.
Horowitz does a fantastic job of exposing the truth behind the lie that is BLM. Excellent essay.
Black Lives Are a Pretext (https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/06/black-lives-are-pretext-david-horowitz/)
Origins of the violent racist organization behind the riots.
All truth.
Great-Kazoo
06-08-2020, 08:20
Horowitz does a fantastic job of exposing the truth behind the lie that is BLM. Excellent essay.
BUT,BUT they're nothing like the klan ;)
From the article.
Black Lives Matter was formed in 2013 by three self-styled “Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries,” who selected as their movement icon convicted cop-killer and Black Liberation Army member Assata Shakur.[4] Shakur had fled to Cuba after being convicted of the homicide she committed when her car was stopped for a broken tail-light by two New Jersey state troopers. Without any warning, Shakur shot trooper Werner Foerster. The 34-year- old Vietnam veteran was lying wounded on the ground pleading for his life, when Shakur walked over and executed him. Officer Foerster left a widow and a three-year-old son.[5] Black Lives Matter activists refer to the murderer as “our beloved Assata Shakur” and chant her words as a ritual, “at every meeting, every event, every action, every freeway we’ve shut down, every mall we’ve shut down.” [6] The chant is this: “It is our duty to fight for our freedom. It is our duty to win. We must love and support one another. We have nothing to lose but our chains.” The last line is lifted directly from the conclusion to the Communist Manifesto, a document and war cry that has led to the murders of millions.[7]
BLM like Islam, Nazis, Communism, and the KKK are a plague upon society.
The only place for them is the ash heap of history.
Bailey Guns
06-08-2020, 09:45
BUT,BUT they're nothing like the klan ;)
Yeah, I know. Very good parallels he drew.
Black Lives Are a Pretext (https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/06/black-lives-are-pretext-david-horowitz/)
Origins of the violent racist organization behind the riots.
Thank you for posting this. Excellent essay with source references.
I have to wonder the overlap or venn diagram of those who told small business owners and people worried about losing their jobs to sit down and shut up about getting back to work during covid with those who find it perfectly fine to protest with 30 thousand people all yelling and chanting right in someone elses face.
Let me get this straight. The current liberal strategy for utopia is there should be no control of homeless people on the streets, citizens shouldn't be able to own a gun, cities should allow undocumented immigrants in unchallenged AND there should be no police force. I see a few problems here...
Let me get this straight. The current liberal strategy for utopia is there should be no control of homeless people on the streets, citizens shouldn't be able to own a gun, cities should allow undocumented immigrants in unchallenged AND there should be no police force. I see a few problems here...
Shutup and get in line, plebe.
BIZARRE FOOTAGE — Defense attorney randomly shoots man in head during BLM street protest… (https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/bizarre-footage-lawyer-shoots-man-in-head-during-blm-street-protest/)
Apparently the protestors in Alamosa initially tried to blame the victim.
^ dumbest defense attorney ever.
I would not even trust this guy to so PI survalence work for defense team.
hollohas
06-08-2020, 19:59
I have to wonder the overlap or venn diagram of those who told small business owners and people worried about losing their jobs to sit down and shut up about getting back to work during covid with those who find it perfectly fine to protest with 30 thousand people all yelling and chanting right in someone elses face.
It'd basically just be one circle.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200609/11f0f36965b8a018cbea3d557b7c50f4.jpg
Great-Kazoo
06-08-2020, 21:36
unofficially (no media coverage) 500+ NYPD resigned between sunday night & monday morn. . There's mixed feeling over a PD wide blue flu sick day, atm.
Subject to change, depending how much stupider DiBallless gets .
Hrm. If they disband, who is going to seize these huge arsenals of 3 guns and 100 rounds of .22 we see in the news?
Who will enforce the gun control laws?
Why would I need a drivers license and insurance if nobody pulls me over? I can take my chances driving drunk, since nobody will stop me. Do traffic signals and signs matter when I can't get a ticket?
If there's nobody to stop me or charge me with a crime, I can just take and do whatever I want, right?
whitewalrus
06-09-2020, 14:01
Who will enforce the gun control laws?
Why would I need a drivers license and insurance if nobody pulls me over? I can take my chances driving drunk, since nobody will stop me. Do traffic signals and signs matter when I can't get a ticket?
If there's nobody to stop me or charge me with a crime, I can just take and do whatever I want, right?
That?s the problem with laws, no enforcement = you really don?t have one. More a suggestion of what you should do.
I don't usually agree with unions, but, wow, someone had to say it:
http://youtu.be/9nhWAAKSDBQ
(first 2 minutes is a roll-call for all of the reps from the NY LE union reps)
Great-Kazoo
06-09-2020, 14:51
I don't usually agree with unions, but, wow, someone had to say it:
http://youtu.be/9nhWAAKSDBQ
(first 2 minutes is a roll-call for all of the reps from the NY LE union reps)
typical NY'er guy in the back, no mask and chewing gum.
HEY is that the fonz, talking
That is what leadership looks like. It doesn't write snarky crap on twitter, and it doesn't kowtow to the narrative being pushed by ideological enemies. It doubles down and pounds the table on what the narrative is, while acknowledging where something actually is wrong, and refuses to fight on the rhetorical terrain being dictated by the enemy.
I never thought I'd praise a yankee police union president, but there ya have it.
That being said, I want nothing to do with cops unless they're off duty and I know them personally, as I do know some. Will it be a good interaction, or will I get a Mitch Brailsford with an itchy trigger finger who airs out my insides despite me doing every thing possible to follow confusing directions? I dunno. I don't go petting stray pitbulls for the same reason: their kind, as a whole, have done nothing to earn my trust.
So yeah, the PBA president and others are right, but police across the nation have some real work to do. For starters, they can stop acting like it's "us vs them".
Unfortunately for them, that will largely require more pay and stricter requirements both for entrance AND retention, along with what amounts to getting smashed by the hammer of the law when they are shown to have done something wrong, or have a history of infractions, even minor infractions.
They won't get more pay, and the entrance and retention requirements will be "feel good" and punitive rather than helpful.
clodhopper
06-09-2020, 15:23
I am guessing the typical police force has experienced the same thing I have seen in other security organizations. There have been so many soldiers returning from the never-ending ME wars looking for work, many are snapped up into security and probably policing. Habits and previous training can be a hard thing to change. It certainly reinforces the idea of Us vs Them as soldiers are trained very differently from police.
I haven't interfaced enough with general police forces to see this for sure, but I have interfaced with federal organizations, border patrol and a wide variety of security organizations at industrial facilities. WAY too many of them approach the stateside job with the same gusto they were trained to use over there. Every contact with them starts off on a very wrong foot. There are a few reasonable ones in the ranks but certainly not enough.
Bailey Guns
06-09-2020, 15:24
Yeah...it's a real stumper where the "us vs them" attitude comes from.
Bailey Guns
06-09-2020, 15:28
The things he talked about have been happening for 30 years or more. I saw it shortly after I started in the 80s.
typical NY'er guy in the back, no mask and chewing gum.
HEY is that the fonz, talking
That's really funny. I told my wife that if there was a movie based on this, Henry Winkler could totally play that guy. I put the video on the TV and she said, "Totally".
BushMasterBoy
06-09-2020, 20:20
It started with Rambo...
SideShow Bob
06-09-2020, 20:41
BMB, I’ve noticed that a lot of your comments come out of left field....... Far left field. [Dunno]
BushMasterBoy
06-09-2020, 20:49
Rambo was a movie about a guy that is brutalized by a cop. You should watch the movie Bob.
SideShow Bob
06-09-2020, 20:52
Rambo was a movie about a guy that is brutalized by a cop. You should watch the movie Bob.
But he wasn’t “of color”.
So, according to the Bureau of Land Management folks, “White on white, it’s all right.”
And of course the movie was just that, a fantasy action movie, not based on any real event.
BushMasterBoy
06-09-2020, 21:19
Bob just put me on ignore, OK?
Rambo was a movie about a guy that is brutalized by a cop. You should watch the movie Bob.
LOL. He gets abused everywhere pretty much equally.
Rambo 1: Abused by Washington Cop and National guards.
Rambo 2: Abused by North Vietnamese soldier, and mainly abused by Soviet soldier. He also gets betrayed by CIA?
Rambo 3: Abused by Soviet soldiers
Ramno 4: Abused by Burmese Army (Myanmar)
Rambo 5( Last Blood ): Abused by Drug Cartel in Mexico.
"Did y'all learn anything from Elizabeth Warren?" [LOL]
http://youtu.be/pZUgUNZaWHk
https://youtu.be/9nuKMYEjN6g
hollohas
06-10-2020, 06:56
Antifa now controls a 6 block radius in Seattle that has been abandoned by the PD. The PD wasn't being supported by the city and wasn't allowed to use effective crowd control measures so the PD abandoned it's East Precinct completely. The PD reportedly destroyed important documents and removed what equipment they could, boarded up the windows and pulled out. A lot like a military retreat...
Now Antifa has installed barricades and posted armed guards along the border of this "autonomous zone".
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-protesters-establish-autonomous-zone-after-police-national-guard-pull-out
... And many people in that zone have lost their freedom to move freely and are scared to death.
https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/welcome-to-free-capitol-hill-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-forms-around-emptied-east-precinct/
Great-Kazoo
06-10-2020, 08:34
Antifa now controls a 6 block radius in Seattle that has been abandoned by the PD. The PD wasn't being supported by the city and wasn't allowed to use effective crowd control measures so the PD abandoned it's East Precinct completely. The PD reportedly destroyed important documents and removed what equipment they could, boarded up the windows and pulled out. A lot like a military retreat...
Now Antifa has installed barricades and posted armed guards along the border of this "autonomous zone".
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-protesters-establish-autonomous-zone-after-police-national-guard-pull-out
But i was told by democrats Walls don't work. Especially ones lined with armed citizens. Oh wait that only applies to republicans.
time & time again the hypocrisy of the left raises it's head . Only to be ignored by the media, again.
With the way Seattle (city) handles enforcement, is there honestly much difference between an autonomous zone and anywhere else in Seattle? Outside of quite violent crime, you can already do most anything there (shoplift, vandalize, etc.) and be immediately released to do it again same-day without any ramification at all.
JohnnyDrama
06-10-2020, 09:08
Antifa now controls a 6 block radius in Seattle that has been abandoned by the PD. The PD wasn't being supported by the city and wasn't allowed to use effective crowd control measures so the PD abandoned it's East Precinct completely. The PD reportedly destroyed important documents and removed what equipment they could, boarded up the windows and pulled out. A lot like a military retreat...
Now Antifa has installed barricades and posted armed guards along the border of this "autonomous zone".
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-protesters-establish-autonomous-zone-after-police-national-guard-pull-out
Scary shit there, holohas. It couldn't have happened to a nicer place. I have two big questions: 1) What will they do when they run out of coffee? and 2) Will people start disappearing?
Interesting. Not a mention of Seattle in cnn. Why you?d never know an occupation is taking place.
DavieD55
06-10-2020, 09:33
They voted for it, let them enjoy their utopian dream society.
DavieD55
06-10-2020, 10:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOd9zyproXo&feature=emb_title
JohnnyDrama
06-10-2020, 10:19
^^ The new "normal"?
Apparently former Philadelphia Police Commissioner Gregore J. Sambor is unavailable to consult with Seattle officials on how to dislodge the occupiers in the downtown Seattle neighborhood. Sambor also declined efforts made to contact him due to his death in September 2015. Sambor is best known for his successful urban renewal efforts in West Philadelphia in May 1985, while removing a black activist group from a home in the 6200 block of Osage Ave. Ramona Africa was unavailable for comment as well.
Apparently former Philadelphia Police Commissioner Gregore J. Sambor is unavailable to consult with Seattle officials on how to dislodge the occupiers in the downtown Seattle neighborhood. Sambor also declined efforts made to contact him due to his death in September 2015. Sambor is best known for his successful urban renewal efforts in West Philadelphia in May 1985, while removing a black activist group from a home in the 6200 block of Osage Ave. Ramona Africa was unavailable for comment as well.
Was that the MOVE group where the police blew up the house?
Was that the MOVE group where the police blew up the house?
It was and it was a very successful urban renewal program that resulted in new housing being built throughout the neighborhood.
And the FBI supplied the explosives that were dropped from a helicopter.
More than 10,000 rounds of ammunition were exchanged between the residents and police prior to the aerial deployment of explosives.
The Seattle PD abandoning their station reminds me of NYPD's 41st precinct. And people today think they have problems with the police. Just a lack of historical perspective, IMO.
hollohas
06-10-2020, 11:46
Scary shit there, holohas. It couldn't have happened to a nicer place. I have two big questions: 1) What will they do when they run out of coffee? and 2) Will people start disappearing?Funny, but serious too. The 6 block area apparently includes about 500 homes.
Also, I don't know about coffee, but Antifa posted on Twitter that the homeless people in the area stole their food supplies. They were begging people to bring them a resupply. Ha! Troop logistics and crime are already giving them problems!
My girlfriend spoke to a Westminster officer today, told him THANK YOU and WE SUPPORT YOU. He was very appreciative, another lady overheard my girlfriend and chimed in "ME TOO".
Funny, but serious too. The 6 block area apparently includes about 500 homes.
Also, I don't know about coffee, but Antifa posted on Twitter that the homeless people in the area stole their food supplies. They were begging people to bring them a resupply. Ha! Troop logistics and crime are already giving them problems!
Logistics is HUGE, those punks didn't think ahead and for all their violent posturing they got rolled by a bunch of pathetic homeless trash.
LOL
Rucker61
06-10-2020, 11:59
Interesting. Not a mention of Seattle in cnn. Why you?d never know an occupation is taking place.
There's nothing on this story on the Seattle Times FB page, either.
hollohas
06-10-2020, 12:19
There's nothing on this story on the Seattle Times FB page, either.It's starting to hit some more mainstream media in downplayed stories...but few front page headlines.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8407109/Protesters-Seattle-City-Hall-creating-6-block-free-zone-suing-cops-violence.html
https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-city-hall-protesters-autonomous-zone
Edited to add:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/06/09/antifa-militants-seize-seattle-police-hq-set-up-autonomous-zone-n512621
https://www.dailywire.com/news/see-it-protesters-set-up-autonomous-zone-in-seattle-after-police-retreat-barricade-6-blocks-around-shuttered-precinct
buffalobo
06-10-2020, 12:50
Logistics is HUGE, those punks didn't think ahead and for all their violent posturing they got rolled by a bunch of pathetic homeless trash.
LOLMost of the punk azz bitches that make up Antifa have no clue to working the streets. I would love to donate a couple cases of Ripple or whatever the bums prefer these days to cause mischief for the socialists.
Funny, but serious too. The 6 block area apparently includes about 500 homes.
Also, I don't know about coffee, but Antifa posted on Twitter that the homeless people in the area stole their food supplies. They were begging people to bring them a resupply. Ha! Troop logistics and crime are already giving them problems!
Drop care packages all around their perimeter, complete with ample supplies of MD 20/20 and lots of brownies spiked with Ex-Lax and LSD. Get the cameras ready and enjoy the show.
Bailey Guns
06-10-2020, 14:13
This is an example of why I don't give a rat's ass about these protesters. Because it all depends on what's socially acceptable to protest. Think cops are racist? No problem. Protest at will. Loot, riot, destroy shit and take over parts of a city. No need to follow social distancing orders as long as you protest in accordance with the leftist agenda.
But by God you'd better not stand outside a Planned Parenthood Baby Killing Clinic and protest that the life of an unborn fetus matters. Because if you do you'll be handcuffed and charged with violating bullshit social distancing orders.
This is the kind of crap that just drives me up the freakin' wall.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-protest-abortion-clinic-george-floyd-handcuffed
Pro-life advocates Bevelyn Beatty and Edmee Chavannes, co-founders of At the Well Ministries, were handcuffed May 30 on the sidewalk outside the Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood Center in Manhattan for allegedly violating Mayor Bill de Blasio's coronavirus-related social distancing guidelines.
Bailey Guns
06-10-2020, 14:40
These women are correct. Black Lives Matter is bullshit. It's been bullshit since it started based on a lie. It's still bullshit.
Like they said, if black lives matter then no one would tolerate the killing of tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of unborn black lives every year. Black lives only matter when it's politically convenient or economically expedient. Black lives snuffed out at the hands of black gang members and other criminals in liberal cesspools like Chicago sure as hell don't seem to matter. Why not? Because it's pretty fuckin' hard to reconcile the idea that a black person who says black lives matter only protests the lives of those taken at the hands of police. Because when you have blacks killing other blacks in staggering numbers in crime-infested neighborhoods in liberal-run cities and blacks, nor anyone else, is protesting the carnage it's pretty hard to take the idea that black lives matter seriously.
Black lives don't matter any more than do the lives of any other group of people. Well...until a black person "takes one for the team" at the hands of a white police officer. Then it's game on to prove how much black lives matter and we'll just protest the fuck outta that.
If you're a black, conservative person and you speak out you sure as hell don't matter because you're obviously not black enough if you're not following the preferred political agenda.
It's all bullshit.
Rucker61
06-10-2020, 15:13
The CHAZ haz a warlord now.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaLXXhqXQAQRQFT?format=jpg&name=360x360
clodhopper
06-10-2020, 16:04
Raz is Negan.
Raz and Negan have no air superiority, indirect fire, armor, or encrypted communications. Any logistical support they have is stolen and could easily be choked off. My bet is three days or less for the 2nd Batt, 75th Rangers to hop on over fro Ft Lewis and make a training exercise out of that little insurrection. How long will it take the mayor and governor to ask for help in restoring order?
JohnnyDrama
06-10-2020, 17:52
Raz and Negan have no air superiority, indirect fire, armor, or encrypted communications. Any logistical support they have is stolen and could easily be choked off. My bet is three days or less for the 2nd Batt, 75th Rangers to hop on over fro Ft Lewis and make a training exercise out of that little insurrection. How long will it take the mayor and governor to ask for help in restoring order?
Or get Snake.
Or get Snake.To extract who?
Sent from somewhere...
Rucker61
06-10-2020, 18:42
Raz and Negan have no air superiority, indirect fire, armor, or encrypted communications. Any logistical support they have is stolen and could easily be choked off. My bet is three days or less for the 2nd Batt, 75th Rangers to hop on over fro Ft Lewis and make a training exercise out of that little insurrection. How long will it take the mayor and governor to ask for help in restoring order?
https://sofrep.com/news/ranger-legends-ash-street-shootout/
Rucker61
06-10-2020, 18:43
Or get Snake.
I heard he was dead.
hollohas
06-10-2020, 19:21
How long will it take the mayor and governor to ask for help in restoring order?
They had lots of help...they asked all the help to leave, which it promptly did.
California gets all the heat for being a extreme leftwing hell, but Seattle is a complete joke that give CA a run for it's money. They are truly insane there.
Republicans, what?s that?
But i was told by democrats Walls don't work. Especially ones lined with armed citizens. Oh wait that only applies to republicans.
time & time again the hypocrisy of the left raises it's head . Only to be ignored by the media, again.
81852
Bailey Guns
06-10-2020, 20:54
So this is how we deal with insurrection today? Talk about defunding the police. I have to say that's a novel approach I probably never would've considered.
http://youtu.be/Jx1Qw3jOZ08
http://youtu.be/DC8eh7nVmgU
JohnnyDrama
06-10-2020, 21:13
So this is how we deal with insurrection today? Talk about defunding the police. I have to say that's a novel approach I probably never would've considered.
You're correct. I had ideas ranging from the seige of Jerusalem to Escape from LA. Interestingly enough, I still haven't heard squat about this in the news.
GilpinGuy
06-10-2020, 21:13
I wake up every day and wonder just how much bizzaro the world can get. I'm never left amazed.
JohnnyDrama
06-10-2020, 21:15
To extract who?
Sent from somewhere...
No one in particular. Send him in for the collateral damage.
I wake up every day and wonder just how much bizzaro the world can get. I'm never left amazed.
Yeah, you wonder who is handing out the crazy pills that people seem to be taking.
Great-Kazoo
06-10-2020, 21:24
No one in particular. Send him in for the collateral damage.
YO HOMIE, THAT MY BRIEFCASE?
Great-Kazoo
06-10-2020, 21:31
They had lots of help...they asked all the help to leave, which it promptly did.
California gets all the heat for being a extreme leftwing hell, but Seattle is a complete joke that give CA a run for it's money. They are truly insane there.
Heard from my cousin up in Boise. Said the sjw, antifa, white guilt kids marched (peacefully) through downtown Boise a few days ago.
Following them was another group, waving American & Trump 2020 flags, open carrying.
Group #1 (we'll call the lemmings) got to the end of the parade ;) route and seemed to disperse rather quickly.
He said it had nothing to do with the follow up "parade", or random citizen along the route open carrying. [LOL]
Had a similar "protest" in downtown Prescott. Seems open carry was highly visible, by a lot of locals, too. That "protest" was also peaceful, w/out any incidents. wonder why?
Christopher Columbus statues torn down, drenched in paint, defaced in cities across country (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/christopher-columbus-statues-torn-down-drenched-in-paint-defaced-in-cities-across-country/ar-BB15jBDs)
If you erase your history, it's easier to repeat it. You also destroy the evidence of progress, so you can run with the agenda that "nothing has changed".
Bailey Guns
06-10-2020, 21:58
Every single thing liberals do and stand for is a lie. A big part of that is not understanding, and trying to change, history.
I wake up every day and wonder just how much bizzaro the world can get. I'm never left amazed.
The guy who writes Black Mirror on Netflix said he's not writing any more episodes at the moment because things are more crazy than he could write anyway.
Heard from my cousin up in Boise. Said the sjw, antifa, white guilt kids marched (peacefully) through downtown Boise a few days ago.
Following them was another group, waving American & Trump 2020 flags, open carrying.
Group #1 (we'll call the lemmings) got to the end of the parade ;) route and seemed to disperse rather quickly.
He said it had nothing to do with the follow up "parade", or random citizen along the route open carrying. [LOL]
I'd refer to them as Lemmings Group A and Lemmings Group B.
Christopher Columbus statues torn down, drenched in paint, defaced in cities across country (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/christopher-columbus-statues-torn-down-drenched-in-paint-defaced-in-cities-across-country/ar-BB15jBDs)
If you erase your history, it's easier to repeat it. You also destroy the evidence of progress, so you can run with the agenda that "nothing has changed".
Wasn't Columbus Day some bullshit made up by an East coast mobster that didn't like the reputation Italians were getting based on the mafia's antics? I think we could lose Columbus Day and be okay with our history intact.
Wasn't Columbus Day some bullshit made up by an East coast mobster that didn't like the reputation Italians were getting based on the mafia's antics? I think we could lose Columbus Day and be okay with our history intact.
Nobody was talking about a 'holiday', but thanks for playing.
I thought that's what you meant about losing history.
Nobody was talking about a 'holiday', but thanks for playing.
Then you should agree to tell history correctly about Columbus [beatdeadhorse]
bellavite1
06-11-2020, 06:51
The guy who writes Black Mirror on Netflix said he's not writing any more episodes at the moment because things are more crazy than he could write anyway.
I'd refer to them as Lemmings Group A and Lemmings Group B.
Wasn't Columbus Day some bullshit made up by an East coast mobster that didn't like the reputation Italians were getting based on the mafia's antics? I think we could lose Columbus Day and be okay with our history intact.
You are right.
They may even let you keep your 30-30...
Great-Kazoo
06-11-2020, 09:11
Then you should agree to tell history correctly about Columbus [beatdeadhorse]
Such as he was commissioned by QUEEN ISABELLA OF SPAIN? Hired by the Spanish to find the new world, trading routes etc? That history? Then came the french, british, dutch etc.
Somewhere along the line, much earlier i recall, the vikings sailed westward, too.
Then throw in the aggression of the native tribes among them selves .
I'm not sure why revisionist history believes until Columbus, who btw didn't actually land on what became the united states shores. The native peoples existed in harmony with each other.
Same for the true africans. or in central and south america. Humanity is brutal, and dangerous. To lay blame at the feet of Columbus and European whites in general is false.
Such as he was commissioned by QUEEN ISABELLA OF SPAIN? Hired by the Spanish to find the new world, trading routes etc? That history? Then came the french, british, dutch etc.
Somewhere along the line, much earlier i recall, the vikings sailed westward, too.
Then throw in the aggression of the native tribes among them selves .
I'm not sure why revisionist history believes until Columbus, who btw didn't actually land on what became the united states shores. The native peoples existed in harmony with each other.
Same for the true africans. or in central and south america. Humanity is brutal, and dangerous. To lay blame at the feet of Columbus and European whites in general is false.
Thank you.
Torture, rape, and murder are all hallmarks of North American Indian culture, some tribes were "better" at it than others but they were all killers out of necessity and/or desire. They all got steamrolled by the settlers who had more ambition for the land and the technology, toughness, and work ethic to succeed.
Revisionist history is just more infantile bullshit.
Oh I want to believe it to be true and so it is true because I dream it to be true - it sounds right if you say it in your best Disney child voice
Just like the old "words mean what I say they mean" and "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" other liberal mealy-mouthing.
Bailey Guns
06-11-2020, 11:19
Revisionist history is just more infantile bullshit.
Imagine how the events of today will read in leftist-written history books in 50 years or so.
Imagine how the events of today will read in leftist-written history books in 50 years or so.
OMG! yes
I am hoping there won't be any leftists in a position to write a history book in 50 years.
I assume y'all do not celebrate Magellan day then?
[flamingo]
I am all up for getting rid of Columbus day, st valentine's day, at Patrick's day. These people are not related to US.
I would rather have a cook of a Mayflower statue, some native tribe leader we never heard of, or immigrant of railroad worker than those 3.
Then you should agree to tell history correctly about Columbus [beatdeadhorse]
Someone read a lot more into my post than what was actually there.
Imagine how the events of today will read in leftist-written history books in 50 years or so.
Books? What books?
Bailey Guns
06-11-2020, 12:03
Book equivalent?
https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/blAH8cpws2rXjCirF8wtBCFw8T8=/1072x720/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/97/f2/97f2d9b8-ea5e-4f7b-97c7-9dfe8e5c1b34/hitler_youth_burning_books.jpg
Zundfolge
06-11-2020, 12:17
Imagine how the events of today will read in leftist-written history books in 50 years or so.
I doubt it will look anything like what really happened.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
-excerpt from 1984 by George Orwell
^this.
I forgot but one of the foreign long tv drama was based on year 1300s. History records only had things they did and accomplished. Others were filled with speculations of what that person most likely do.
The guy who writes Black Mirror on Netflix said he's not writing any more episodes at the moment because things are more crazy than he could write anyway.
I'd refer to them as Lemmings Group A and Lemmings Group B.
Wasn't Columbus Day some bullshit made up by an East coast mobster that didn't like the reputation Italians were getting based on the mafia's antics? I think we could lose Columbus Day and be okay with our history intact.
Uh oh, look who's being an edgyboi.
Bailey Guns
06-11-2020, 12:47
Good article re: racism and police shootings:
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/white-cops-dont-commit-more-shootings
Book burning is very revisionist. Google, Facebook, and Twitter burn digital writings everyday because those writings contain truths that the left does not want to hear else they'll lose their grip on power.
What is wrong with the truth? The truth is wonderful and painful simultaneously, the truth helps the human spirit grow and learn, the truth encourages good behavior and discourages evil. I want to know when I'm truly wrong so I can learn from my mistakes.
https://theopensocietyorg.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/book-burning-oscar-wilde.jpg
News recap of first half 2020
Covid19 and many odds stuff - protest - riot - looting - bums taking over portion of cities - I speculate the market crash.*
* it doesn't matter it is republican or democrats. With this much of a pump since 2010, there always is a dump.
You're being optimistic that there will be a stock market, IMO.
clodhopper
06-11-2020, 15:20
You're being optimistic that there will be a stock market, IMO.
Down 1861 points today, almost 7%. We have a long way to go.
The entire thing is built on perception. If/when society breaks down, none of that matters.
clodhopper
06-11-2020, 16:01
I am with ya on that. But it will take a long bumpy road for the market to get low enough for the general populace to figure that out.
hollohas
06-11-2020, 16:34
Down 1861 points today, almost 7%. We have a long way to go.Yeah.
- Market had recovered most of the loses YTD.
- Unemployment rate decreased
- people are getting over their covid fears
- People are starting to get bored with the protests
- people started living their lives again.
- Trump starts scheduling rallies again.
Things seemed a bit better.
---SO---
- media started headlining covid is coming back and deaths will double by September.
- Fed Powell announced that the economy is really BAD and jobs won't be coming back.
And...the market immediately took a nose dive.
They simply refuse to allow the system to recover and will continue to interfere until at least the election to keep things unstable.
We are living in an era when sanity is controversial and insanity is just another viewpoint--and degeneracy only another lifestyle.
-Thomas Sowell
ChickNorris
06-11-2020, 19:27
https://www.gunfightercast.com/gc-157-weapon-snatcher-from-seattle-riots/
Follow up from a few pages back for those who wondered who this guy was.
Such as he was commissioned by QUEEN ISABELLA OF SPAIN? Hired by the Spanish to find the new world, trading routes etc? That history? Then came the french, british, dutch etc.
Somewhere along the line, much earlier i recall, the vikings sailed westward, too.
Then throw in the aggression of the native tribes among them selves .
I'm not sure why revisionist history believes until Columbus, who btw didn't actually land on what became the united states shores. The native peoples existed in harmony with each other.
Same for the true africans. or in central and south america. Humanity is brutal, and dangerous. To lay blame at the feet of Columbus and European whites in general is false.
Nothing about finding a shorter route around Africa?
So you fully believe the one side of what Columbus did written by who? The natives?
For the aggression with the natives amongst themselves is from who? The natives?
Europeans came here because they did not like what they created and look what?s been going on since then.
Thank you.
Torture, rape, and murder are all hallmarks of North American Indian culture, some tribes were "better" at it than others but they were all killers out of necessity and/or desire. They all got steamrolled by the settlers who had more ambition for the land and the technology, toughness, and work ethic to succeed.
Revisionist history is just more infantile bullshit.
- it sounds right if you say it in your best Disney child voice
Just like the old "words mean what I say they mean" and "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" other liberal mealy-mouthing.
So where did you get your information from?
Can you show these so called Hallmarks that you say are of all natives of North America?
Steamrolled is the infantile bullshit. So Sand creek was the settlers having more ambition and better ethics. Using that as example since that was the nearest to where we are.
Imagine how the events of today will read in leftist-written history books in 50 years or so.
Probably the same way it is written about the natives that is being done now.
Someone read a lot more into my post than what was actually there.
Nope it was meant as just change that he discovered North American Natives. When they were already trading with others not from here.
http://www.truthaboutcolumbus.com/
Is this one sided information or was this information coming from the natives also.
The one sided, misinformed information what we read and take as what has to be the truth without research is one of the reasons why shit is f-ed up.
As we are taught there is more than one-side when what people recall of what went on so it makes them look like it was not there fault or doing.
Just ask your kids what happened when ones crying when you walk into the room.
Nope it was meant as just change that he discovered North American Natives. When they were already trading with others not from here.
Again, directed at me but I have no idea the point you're making. I mentioned that statues were being torn down. That's it. I made no claims about Columbus one way or another.
ETA: Does this help in conveying the point I'm trying to make?
(No Columbus included)
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Bailey Guns
06-11-2020, 21:08
Probably the same way it is written about the natives that is being done now.
Are you saying the natives in North America were just a bunch of gentle, peace-loving people that never warred with or enslaved those from other tribes?
There's 2 sides, or maybe even more, to the story...obviously. No one is saying the native side can't be told. No one is saying they didn't get a bum deal. No one is saying they can't have their culture. It's a different world today than it was back then and we can't undo what happened. Just like we can't undo our history re: black slavery. But no one alive today is responsible for that. Natives and blacks in North America sometimes suffered at the hands of whites. Whites sometimes suffered at the hands of the natives and blacks. Just like lots of whites suffered at the hands of other whites in the history of Europe and some other places. The world was a brutal place back then and sometimes life wasn't, and isn't, fair. Who are you to judge what information from that era, hundreds of years ago, is good information and which is bad?
I'm pretty goddamned offended that everyone wants to remove statues of famous Confederate people and tell me I'm an asshole if I want to display a Confederate flag. So, I display my Confederate flag in a prominent place in my shop. If that offends someone, too freakin' bad. You're free to leave. It seems that only certain people are worthy of the right to be proud of their heritage. I think a lot of things are racist. The Confederate flag isn't one of them.
Regardless of what Columbus did or didn't do he was a pretty important figure at that point in history and what he accomplished was significant. You're free to agree or disagree with that. But you don't get to own the entire narrative.
Rand Paul has introduced legislation that would ban no knock warrants, inspired by the death of Breonna Taylor. I don?t agree with that. Enforcing a little common sense and pre-entry surveillance is definitely a good idea, but for situations where the targeted individual is definitely present as a known condition, I can imagine ridding the tool of no-knock will put not only police lives in danger, but every occupant in the residence.
There are many things the police do which probably should and could be changed without negatively impacting legitimate law enforcement. But those things should be looked at carefully with law enforcement input, along with input from community members.
If they shove through legislation, they?re just going to make the problems, whether real or imagined or some combination thereof, worse.
And, LTC Grossman?s sheepdog analogy needs to go in the trash where it belongs. Its popularity has invariably done serious harm to the subconscious influence on conscious actions and attitudes in the LE and Military communities.
kidicarus13
06-11-2020, 22:40
And, LTC Grossman?s sheepdog analogy needs to go in the trash where it belongs. Its popularity has invariably done serious harm to the subconscious influence on conscious actions and attitudes in the LE and Military communities.
81862
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200612/6f7b26d93ac582896d5de891c0a9e86f.jpg
Well aware of its attraction. I was a proponent of it for years. It’s stratifying trash from the pen of a man who has never seen combat and based a lot of his theories on falsified source data (not that Grossman falsified it, but the original source did).
It’s pretty much the Kinsey report of killing.
Again, directed at me but I have no idea the point you're making. I mentioned that statues were being torn down. That's it. I made no claims about Columbus one way or another.
I am sorry if you feel that it is directed at you. All it was supposed to be is yes what has happened in the past (Truthfully and most accurately it can be even if some of the things need to be changed) so we can learn from it and not be repeated. I just used Columbus since you brought him up.
Are you saying the natives in North America were just a bunch of gentle, peace-loving people that never warred with or enslaved those from other tribes?
There's 2 sides, or maybe even more, to the story...obviously. No one is saying the native side can't be told. No one is saying they didn't get a bum deal. No one is saying they can't have their culture. It's a different world today than it was back then and we can't undo what happened. Just like we can't undo our history re: black slavery. But no one alive today is responsible for that. Natives and blacks in North America sometimes suffered at the hands of whites. Whites sometimes suffered at the hands of the natives and blacks. Just like lots of whites suffered at the hands of other whites in the history of Europe and some other places. The world was a brutal place back then and sometimes life wasn't, and isn't, fair. Who are you to judge what information from that era, hundreds of years ago, is good information and which is bad?
I'm pretty goddamned offended that everyone wants to remove statues of famous Confederate people and tell me I'm an asshole if I want to display a Confederate flag. So, I display my Confederate flag in a prominent place in my shop. If that offends someone, too freakin' bad. You're free to leave. It seems that only certain people are worthy of the right to be proud of their heritage. I think a lot of things are racist. The Confederate flag isn't one of them.
Regardless of what Columbus did or didn't do he was a pretty important figure at that point in history and what he accomplished was significant. You're free to agree or disagree with that. But you don't get to own the entire narrative.
First off where did I say what the natives were like. You just assumed
Yes someone is saying about the bum deal. “ They all got steamrolled by the settlers who had more ambition for the land and the technology, toughness, and work ethic to succeed.‘
Yes there are things that started back then where people alive today are still and will not do anything about. Look up the 99 year leases.
Yes it does matter what Columbus did and didn’t do. Was he a great explorer? Yes he was. Did he discover this country? Hell NO. I might be wrong but to discover is if something is found or learned of for the first time. So if others were here before Columbus that would mean he wasn’t the first.
Not trying to own the whole narrative. Just pointing out the one part.
I agree with you about the flag. This is one of my favorites
81863
I'm so tired of everything being politicized by what is seemingly a professional victim class.
Companies are choosing sides. I want to choose the best product at the best value, not have to pick which causes are supported by my purchase so that I have to vote with my wallet. I need a spreadsheet for the rash of stupidity I've seen in the last 5+ years of virtue signaling.
Professional sports organizations are choosing sides. I remember watching games to get away from that crap just to watch one team best another through skill and strategy. They all wore the same uniform no matter what their ethnicity or religion may have been.
TV networks are killing programs in the name of being PC.
The "media" is constantly pushing lies and persuasion rather than facts.
I'm tired of the government and corporate policy and business objectives being swayed by a few noisy participants using the cancer that is social media. Social media doesn't reflect the true population being impacted.
I'm just tired of it all.
Bailey Guns
06-12-2020, 04:51
^^ Yep. I hate supporting PC companies that use their influence to push social justice warrior bullshit. I hate that every time I consider buying something I feel like I need to do a background check on the company to see if it supports causes I find repulsive. It is tiring.
Language warning. She is fired up, and for good reason.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBRe1F7APgj/
JohnnyDrama
06-12-2020, 07:44
Language warning. She is fired up, and for good reason.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBRe1F7APgj/
Pretty unappreciative of her. What else are the snowflakes gonna do?
buffalobo
06-12-2020, 07:51
Go Anna!
Need to send her to deliver some DAF to their Governor. Maybe slap some sense too.
https://twitter.com/johncleese/status/1271294990199619585?s=21
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mindfold
06-12-2020, 10:24
Language warning. She is fired up, and for good reason.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBRe1F7APgj/
Thank you for sharing that. Finally enjoyed something out of all this. Wish I could buy that woman a beer.
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GilpinGuy
06-12-2020, 10:24
https://twitter.com/johncleese/status/1271294990199619585?s=21
81868
I've used a similar argument for those that say that the Founders were old guys that lived 200+ years ago and that we're so much more enlightened
now. I reply that Socrates and Aristotle must have been REALLY dumb then.
The response is usually
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Aloha_Shooter
06-12-2020, 15:44
FWIW, there's a lot of chaff out there WRT the MOVE fire. MOVE was a group of African separatists/supremacists and the police attempted isolation for days. My understanding based on accounts in the Philadelphia Inquirer and other sources when I got back to college (I was on summer break when the fire occurred) was that the police were receiving pressure to take more action. I don't know if that pressure was coming from the mayor's office (looked like the mayor wasn't doing anything), the nearby residents who found the situation was interfering with normal life and probably feared the situation continuing, or some combination thereof. The explosives were to blow a hole in the roof so they could get in, it wasn't an intent to blow up the residents or start the conflagration -- what they didn't know was that MOVE was storing gasoline up there (a LOT of gasoline).
In the case of CHAZ, I think the best thing the police could do is what they should have done in Waco -- seal off the perimeter and just let them wallow. Take no physical action, just don't let them out. Cut the phone and cable lines, get the phone companies to turn off the cell towers in the area, and just let them sit. If they're peaceful, nothing will happen and they'll get bored. The worst thing police could do is let themselves be pushed to take action.
If you cut off their weed supply, they'll probably go home.
...but weed is "essential", so that kind of cruelty wouldn't be allowed.
Bailey Guns
06-12-2020, 17:35
In the case of CHAZ, I think the best thing the police could do is what they should have done in Waco -- seal off the perimeter and just let them wallow. Take no physical action, just don't let them out. Cut the phone and cable lines, get the phone companies to turn off the cell towers in the area, and just let them sit. If they're peaceful, nothing will happen and they'll get bored. The worst thing police could do is let themselves be pushed to take action.
The only problem with that is cutting off cell towers and possibly other utility service cuts off service to people who live there as well and probably need their phones. This isn't just about the Marxists down on the street.
It will be interesting to see how this sh*t show will be recorded in history.
I have a feeling that this whole thing will backfire for the Left, Joe Biden?
JohnnyDrama
06-12-2020, 20:48
The only problem with that is cutting off cell towers and possibly other utility service cuts off service to people who live there as well and probably need their phones. This isn't just about the Marxists down on the street.
Think of it as a campaign to win the residents' hearts and cell phones.
Great-Kazoo
06-12-2020, 21:09
It will be interesting to see how this sh*t show will be recorded in history.
I have a feeling that this whole thing will backfire for the Left, Joe Biden?
Joe's courting the "black" voter real hard. Or his handlers are. IF, key word, IF trump and or "a paid advertisement by who ever highlighted all Joes "tough on L:aw & Order from the 90's and earlier. Really bring up his segregation stance.
Unfortunately i feel the public's mind is already made up. The real poll numbers will happen post election day. Unless joe has swayed enough feeble minds, to believe trump already rigged the election. Which i believe he's throwing out to cover his ass, IF he takes as much a beating as hrc did.
hollohas
06-12-2020, 22:14
I've used a similar argument for those that say that the Founders were old guys that lived 200+ years ago and that we're so much more enlightened
now. I reply that Socrates and Aristotle must have been REALLY dumb then.
The response is usually
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And if there's not time limit, how far back should we go? How many priceless Renaissance era fine art paintings could we destroy because the artists may have been racist?
Maybe we should demolish the pyramids since they may have used slave labor to build them.
Maybe we shouldn't have museum exhibits of the egyptian mummies either. Those kings were all slave owners and we're memorializing them by turning them into traveling exhibits that people pay good money and line up to see.
The Mesopotamian Code of Hammurabi is on display in the Louvre but it describes slaves being worth half that of free men. It's time we stop displaying such bigotry.
Aloha_Shooter
06-13-2020, 09:13
The only problem with that is cutting off cell towers and possibly other utility service cuts off service to people who live there as well and probably need their phones. This isn't just about the Marxists down on the street.
No, but I doubt those protestors will last long if no one is paying attention to them and they can't talk to anyone or even entertain themselves. I wouldn't cut off other utilities as some self-promoting activist lawyer would claim it was endangering lives to even cut off electricity (water and sewage probably would). These people exist to get attention and will likely break up in a few days if they're not getting any.
https://img.memecdn.com/attention-whore_o_154167.jpg
These people exist to get attention...
Meanwhile, KOAA faithfully shows up every night for the protesters and the protesters faithfully show up for KOAA.
O2
UncleDave
06-13-2020, 15:18
Another concept people hate to hear is that unless you are completely debt free and a business owner you are a slave. Economic slavery in concept is no different than physical slavery. Except now you get a wage of fiat currency to pay back a loan that you owe, and you can put yourself deeper in the hole. In some ways it is even more brutal.
buffalobo
06-13-2020, 16:25
Another concept people hate to hear is that unless you are completely debt free and a business owner you are a slave. Economic slavery in concept is no different than physical slavery. Except now you get a wage of fiat currency to pay back a loan that you owe, and you can put yourself deeper in the hole. In some ways it is even more brutal.No one forces you to accumulate debt, no one volunteers for slavery, economic or otherwise. When you take employment you agree to trade labor/skill for wages.
UncleDave
06-13-2020, 18:20
That's really not true. Look into history. Once upon a time voluntary slavery was big a thing. In Greece, Rome, Egypt, and almost all ancient cultures it was common place. Not to mention feudal societies worldwide. Indentured servitude is what it was called in more modern times, and there were almost as many Irish indentured servants and political prisoners as there were African slaves. As far as a person being able to choose not to go into debt. How many people realistically have that choice, or think they do. There are a few differences but my statement was that conceptually they are no different. You end up with very similar results. A class of people that are more or less permanently in a servile class.
http://youtu.be/efeVzpMtt1Q
American Thinker: Scott Adams has had a brilliant insight about the demand for reparations (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/scott_adams_has_had_a_brilliant_insight_about_the_ demand_for_reparations.html)
I found this a very interesting read.
Well here we go again... black criminal killed resisting arrest
https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-police-chief-resigns-amid-backlash-over-fatal-shooting-of-black-man
That's really not true. Look into history. Once upon a time voluntary slavery was big a thing. In Greece, Rome, Egypt, and almost all ancient cultures it was common place. Not to mention feudal societies worldwide. Indentured servitude is what it was called in more modern times, and there were almost as many Irish indentured servants and political prisoners as there were African slaves. As far as a person being able to choose not to go into debt. How many people realistically have that choice, or think they do. There are a few differences but my statement was that conceptually they are no different. You end up with very similar results. A class of people that are more or less permanently in a servile class.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
~ Norm Franz
American minister
RblDiver
06-14-2020, 10:54
Well here we go again... black criminal killed resisting arrest
https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-police-chief-resigns-amid-backlash-over-fatal-shooting-of-black-man
And it was a white girl who burned down the Wendys (or at least tried at one point in time). https://twitter.com/ImKingFola/status/1272012004539224066
And it was a white girl who burned down the Wendys (or at least tried at one point in time). https://twitter.com/ImKingFola/status/1272012004539224066
From what I've been able to find so far is that she was adding fuel to the fire that was already started. Not excusing, just sharing.
Doesn't matter what color some jackass is that's burning, destroying, looting...
buffalobo
06-14-2020, 17:15
While we are agitating let's take opportunity to bully neighborhood into changing name.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/denver.cbslocal.com/2020/06/13/stapleton-neighborhood-march-tay-anderson/amp/
"Anderson, who has helped direct recent police protests in Denver,?tweeted Saturday morning: ?The neighbors of Stapleton have ONE WEEK to change their name ? if they do NOT we will march through their neighborhood to show them #BlackLivesMatter.?"
Tay Anderson is an up and coming politician in Denver.
.455_Hunter
06-14-2020, 17:37
Tay Anderson is an up and coming politician in Denver.
So far, he just appears to be big egotistical bully who is privleged enough to get zero criticism for his actions.
Allow them to vote+ PLUS stack the amount that is going to cost the Stapleton area.
IF my street is named Vladimir Lenin Blvd or Joseph Stalin Avenue, and cost our community $1mil in total, I wold pass on changing the name. That's just me.
SideShow Bob
06-14-2020, 18:47
What the hell ? The residents have no say in the naming of their ?hood? their city is responsible for naming it after the former airport & mayor.
So this nut job scum threatens to ?march? on their ?hood? in protest of the name that Denver is responsible for ? The residents have no ability to change the area name other than going before the Denver City council and asking it to be changed. And as Senior Prena pointed out, it will come down to the dollar amount that the City of Denver is willing to shell out to make the changes.
nighterfighter
06-14-2020, 18:52
t will come down to the dollar amount that the City of Denver is willing to shell out to make the changes.
So in other words, we'll see a name change soon.
SideShow Bob
06-14-2020, 19:19
No matter what it is renamed, it will still be referred to as the Old Stapleton area for at least 4 decades, until all the current Denver area residents are dead & buried. Even longer if the newer area residents pick up on the old timers calling it Stapleton.
GilpinGuy
06-14-2020, 19:25
Maybe the name won't be changed and they'll just burn it down. That'll show em, and boost his polling numbers.[Sarcasm2]
No matter what it is renamed, it will still be referred to as the Old Stapleton area for at least 4 decades, until all the current Denver area residents are dead & buried. Even longer if the newer area residents pick up on the old timers calling it Stapleton.
Like Mile High Stadium.
I'm so tired of 'progressives' regressing history down to everyone not woke 50-400 years ahead of their time being equated to Hitler.
9 of the 11 Confederate statues that Pelosi wants removed were Democrats. Is she trying to whitewash the involvement of Democrats in regard to promoting slavery and shutting down Civil Rights?
hollohas
06-14-2020, 20:34
9 of the 11 Confederate statues that Pelosi wants removed were Democrats. Is she trying to whitewash the involvement of Democrats in regard to promoting slavery and shutting down Civil Rights?
She's placating her base. That's ^ just a major bonus.
In other news, "Lincoln was a Democrat!"
nighterfighter
06-14-2020, 20:50
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/06/14/denver-stapleton-neighborhood-name-change/
That didn't take long.
SideShow Bob
06-14-2020, 21:53
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/06/14/denver-stapleton-neighborhood-name-change/
That didn't take long.
Saw the bit on the 2100 hrs news broadcast, er, ah, should I say indoctrination broadcast.
hollohas
06-15-2020, 12:05
Even the French won't put up with this revisionist PC BS.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/930d176e2e58e87daeefd0b5574ce044.jpg
Great-Kazoo
06-15-2020, 12:25
Even the French won't put up with this revisionist PC BS.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/930d176e2e58e87daeefd0b5574ce044.jpg
Unlike their position, in the early 40's
Martinjmpr
06-15-2020, 14:31
Even the French won't put up with this revisionist PC BS.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/930d176e2e58e87daeefd0b5574ce044.jpg
So all the Confederate statues in France will remain? ;)
When the french aren't the ones waving the white flag.....
Oh hell, I just realized that statement could get me arrested by the SJW police for potentially marginalizing the feelings of undocumented American citizens hailing of a French nationality.
I vote for renaming it “The Benjamin Stapleton, Democrat Mayor, KKK Member Neighborhood”, so people will remember the Dem’s dark history.
Yeah, if they're going to play that game, might as well be completely accurate about it.
As I said before, if resident who LIVES THERE vote and pay out of their pocket to move the statue and change the name to DICK PUSSITON, it is their rights.
I or anyone who DOES NOT LIVE THERE has no final say.
Sad, but predictable.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3190606001
Black 19 yo female protester and black female 75 year old Democratic operative both killed by police in FL....nope! You fell for it, didn?t you? Killed by a 49 year old black male with outstanding warrants for kidnapping and murder out of Orlando. The 19 yo was apparently raped or molested (her words) and she tweeted about it, instead of calling the racist police. She says he molested her after offering her a ride to a church where she had ?refuged to? to ?escape unjust living conditions.? She and another protester paid for that mistake with their lives. If #BLM people really cared about black lives, they would stop brainwashing black youth into believing the police kill more black people than black criminals.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thecourierdaily.com/who-is-aaron-glee-jr-oluwatoyin-salau-criminal-records/20923/amp/
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Bailey Guns
06-15-2020, 20:20
"...to escape unjust living conditions." Wonder what that means in SJW speak.
I don?t really know, but I would have to guess something on the lines of everyone else didn?t provide her with a safe, clean, nice enough free place to live.
More to the point though, if the 2 women would have been as concerned with the 2nd amendment as the 1st, they might have been able to equalize that nasty biological/physiological unjustness that males have over females, and lived to learn.
Dammit, that?s very un PC of me...maybe if they would have just identified as a male or some ?super gender? they could have better defended themselves while remaining unarmed.
Double dammit! I forgot we are no longer allowed to defend ourselves. We?re just as likely to end up on the news with a mob demanding we be convicted of brutality or murder when defending ourselves with force against a black male. Also, probably no coincidence he hadn?t been tracked down and arrested by the racist police for the kidnapping and murder warrants he already had.
DenverGP
06-15-2020, 20:57
The 75 year old SJW dem activist woman killed was white. See what all that white privilege got her.
Bailey Guns
06-15-2020, 21:11
Kind of heartbreaking to see how decent people actually suffer because of this nonsense:
https://youtu.be/vPNXpN1dQQY
"Hey bruh.... I like your rainbow paint you have on your house which previous owner painted. DO NOT REPAINT YOUR HOUSE BRUH...... You are erasing gay history there (from previous owner).....bruh...."
nighterfighter
06-15-2020, 22:30
As I said before, if resident who LIVES THERE vote and pay out of their pocket to move the statue and change the name to DICK PUSSITON, it is their rights.
I or anyone who DOES NOT LIVE THERE has no final say.
I don't live in Stapleton, but I want to write in my idea, for naming it "Office Depotton".
I also read that the only people allowed to vote on the names are those that are homeowners/business owners in the area, per the rules of the HOA. (Not renters) AKA- The ones paying property taxes for the area. I could see why that's upsetting, sort of. But the people renting there should have read the HOA rules before moving in, or tried to change those rules.
I get why they are upset though, I also rent and don't own. But if the city of Littleton voted to rename to Poopville, unless I was paying those taxes directly, I wouldn't feel super entitled to a vote...
^^That's funny. I generally don't have an issue with giving property owners voting rights on things. I'm sure I could argue the other side, but I guess that's where I stand.
buffalobo
06-15-2020, 22:54
https://www.google.com/amp/s/newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/06/15/nypd-investigating-possible-poisoning-of-3-officers-at-shake-shack-in-manhattan/amp/
Think it's crazy now, buckle in, probably rough up to and thru upcoming election.
I don't live in Stapleton, but I want to write in my idea, for naming it "Office Depotton".
I also read that the only people allowed to vote on the names are those that are homeowners/business owners in the area, per the rules of the HOA. (Not renters) AKA- The ones paying property taxes for the area. I could see why that's upsetting, sort of. But the people renting there should have read the HOA rules before moving in, or tried to change those rules.
I get why they are upset though, I also rent and don't own. But if the city of Littleton voted to rename to Poopville, unless I was paying those taxes directly, I wouldn't feel super entitled to a vote...
The problem with that model is that the people that actually live in the community dont get the representation. If voting is allowed to persist that way, when Carl's Jr buys up everything, then you pay rent to Carl's Jr, Carl's Jr gets to make all the decisions.
Every time I hear Stapleton name, it reminds me of walker stapleton....and he tweets.....
Starts at 2:34
https://youtu.be/PjlX6iKajJQ?t=154
Great-Kazoo
06-15-2020, 23:18
https://www.google.com/amp/s/newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/06/15/nypd-investigating-possible-poisoning-of-3-officers-at-shake-shack-in-manhattan/amp/
Think it's crazy now, buckle in, probably rough up to and thru upcoming election.
the debates are going to make WWE look like a serious documentary. With the lefts current attempt to oust trump, under the guise of BLM protest. Throw in Bidens saying Trumps already rigging the election. I'd be surprised, no matter who won. The opposing team is not going to like it .
It's why i consider this current protest, while it started off with good intent. Has become sidetracked in to a coup to push trump out before november.
How? but goading him in to using .mil troops to stop this shit we're seeing.
Democrat reps (yes you mayor of seattle and inslee, da guv) are blatantly ignoring the violence as well as occupation of sections of town. Complicit for what happens next.
I'd be curious how many "deplorables' who have not been polled regarding the election. As well as those sitting home, shaking their heads, wondering what happened to America , Vote in Nov.
If it's as i hope, the left will be very unhappy, again. If not and biden takes it. Seattle will look like a little league game, when the heavy hitters become empowered.
It's so silly that a month ago a business owner would be arrested for opening up their business, but then now a looter wouldn't be arrested for looting that same business.
The problem with that model is that the people that actually live in the community dont get the representation. If voting is allowed to persist that way, when Carl's Jr buys up everything, then you pay rent to Carl's Jr, Carl's Jr gets to make all the decisions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiJEqHfcFvg
The problem with that model is that the people that actually live in the community dont get the representation. If voting is allowed to persist that way, when Carl's Jr buys up everything, then you pay rent to Carl's Jr, Carl's Jr gets to make all the decisions.
Why should those who dont own the land get to name the land?
This model is consistent in every HOA I have been in. Owners make the rules, not the renters/customers. If, as a renter, you don't like the name, move.
And if you want to live on carls property, you gollow Carl's rules
Why should those who dont own the land get to name the land?
This model is consistent in every HOA I have been in. Owners make the rules, not the renters/customers. If, as a renter, you don't like the name, move.
And if you want to live on carls property, you gollow Carl's rules
So the American Revolution was a bunch of entitled, whiny brats who should've followed the rules. Got it.
clodhopper
06-16-2020, 10:22
So the American Revolution was a bunch of entitled, whiny brats who should've followed the rules. Got it.
Are you thinking that colonists were not landowners?
Aloha_Shooter
06-16-2020, 10:26
So the American Revolution was a bunch of entitled, whiny brats who should've followed the rules. Got it.
You keep jumping to these non-sequiturs. Property owners naming things they own is a far cry from impressing sailors or taking over homes to house soldiers. FWIW, when the Brits took over New Amsterdam and renamed it New York, the residents didn't have a say in the matter. Now, at least one of the key revolutionaries was a "whiny entitled brat who should've followed the rules" since he was a known bootlegger and smuggler who didn't like paying legitimate taxes -- but there were other more important reasons for the Revolution (including for him).
I'm interested in principles. I'm curious why it's OK to do something drastic but then when that principle is applied to something less drastic, people start calling foul.
In the example 00tec gave, a corporation, which has far more buying power than individuals, could theoretically do whatever it wants contra the people. I'm not OK with that. But I'm curious as to why we have gone so far down the "muh capitalism!", "muh constitution-be-damned,-SCOTUS-says" rabbit hole, that we literally have warped ourselves into what is actually a far worse situation as a society than the Founding Fathers faced.
It's so silly that a month ago a business owner would be arrested for opening up their business, but then now a looter wouldn't be arrested for looting that same business.
9th post in this thread:
People have been cooped up for months, cops empowered to arrest citizens with a heavy hand for not following arbitrary rules made up by state executives, criminals released from jails 'cuz the 'Rona, our governments have created a powder keg.
Open your family store get arrested. You can loot a family store with impunity. I'm not sure how looting a liquor store helps solve the problem, but the government has declared alcohol and weed as "essential", so there you go.
We're a long way from coming out of this mess.
To clarify, I dont necessarily care that an HOA puts a different name on their pretty brick signs. Another reason that I will never own property inside a HOA.
However, if this voting model were to be extended to municipalities, it's a completely different issue.
The Carl's Jr reference was to a 2006 movie, where Carl's Jr is running most of the show. It was supposed to be a sci-fi comedy, but has turned into more of a prophecy.
Great-Kazoo
06-16-2020, 14:32
To clarify, I dont necessarily care that an HOA puts a different name on their pretty brick signs. Another reason that I will never own property inside a HOA.
However, if this voting model were to be extended to municipalities, it's a completely different issue.
The Carl's Jr reference was to a 2006 movie, where Carl's Jr is running most of the show. It was supposed to be a sci-fi comedy, but has turned into more of a prophecy.
The original Roller Ball, comes to mind.
Maybe this will be like the agitate cycle on my washer and in the end everything will come out cleaner.
I doubt it though.
We need a fix from all the fixing by fixers. Every time people in our country tries to fix something, they utilize a 2000+ page bill to do it. It's like trying to fix a totaled car with a bent frame with 2,000 rolls of duck tape.
Maybe this will be like the agitate cycle on my washer and in the end everything will come out cleaner.
I doubt it though.
That's not usually what happens when you roll around in shit.
So. Any of you with pink house going to repaint.
[mlp]
The wife asked if we wanted to keep the same greenish color when we repaint. I told her that with the current situation, maybe we should paint it in a digital camouflage.
http://youtu.be/88-dV9K_cHE
Bailey Guns
06-16-2020, 18:31
B Tatum is awesome.
Aloha_Shooter
06-16-2020, 19:06
I'm interested in principles. I'm curious why it's OK to do something drastic but then when that principle is applied to something less drastic, people start calling foul.
In the example 00tec gave, a corporation, which has far more buying power than individuals, could theoretically do whatever it wants contra the people. I'm not OK with that. But I'm curious as to why we have gone so far down the "muh capitalism!", "muh constitution-be-damned,-SCOTUS-says" rabbit hole, that we literally have warped ourselves into what is actually a far worse situation as a society than the Founding Fathers faced.
Oh c'mon, let's not exaggerate. We have a lot of wannabe-Stalins wanting to fundamentally change America and using Maoist tactics to implement a cultural revolution but they do NOT have legal power (yet) -- and they're not the corporations you're railing at. In fact, the Stalin/Mao-wannabes are anti-corporation (except where they can extort them for funding).
The Founding Fathers faced a government that stated their interests would be represented by Englishmen across the ocean, didn't recognize the right of habeas corpus, thought nothing of conducting "searches" for any reason and to any extent they desired, commandeered private quarters to house the soldiers used to implement their policies, impressed men to serve in the Royal Navy at whim, etc. We are facing nothing like that today as a society and certainly not from corporations. If anything, 4chan and computer-savvy anarchists/leftists are far more dangerous to the culture, liberty, and society than property owners deciding what they want to name their property or what behaviors they want to tolerate on their property.
Why Derek Chauvin May Get Off His Murder Charge (https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911)
Interesting read.
The world has united in protest after a graphic video emerged showing a Black man dying under the restraint of a White police officer. The victim, George Floyd, was in clear distress. He was pinned to the ground by three officers, with one officer — Derek Chauvin — placing a knee on his neck. For over five minutes, he tells the officers that he is unable to breathe. George Floyd died as horrified bystanders told the officers they were killing him.
The video is unquestionably horrific.
But in our rush to condemn an aggressive use of force and pursue justice for George Floyd, we have ignored crucial information which is necessary in judging the conduct of the officers. While nothing can absolve George Floyd’s death, these facts do cast doubt on the appropriateness of a murder charge for Chauvin, and paint a more nuanced picture of the events leading up to the tragic encounter.
There are six crucial pieces of information — six facts — that have been largely omitted from discussion on the Chauvin’s conduct. Taken together, they likely exonerate the officer of a murder charge. Rather than indicating illegal and excessive force, they instead show an officer who rigidly followed the procedures deemed appropriate by the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD). The evidence points to the MPD and the local political establishment, rather than the individual officer, as ultimately responsible for George Floyd’s death.
These six facts are as follows:
1. George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck.
2. The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) allows the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.
3. The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect. A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.
4. Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.
5. Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.
6. Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.
Another point in the article:
While the officers may still be found guilty of manslaughter, the probability of a guilty verdict for the murder charge is low, and the public should be aware of this well in advance of the verdict.
More detail at the link above.
Bailey Guns
06-17-2020, 15:41
That is interesting information. And boy oh boy, wait til a "Not Guilty" verdict comes down on the Minneapolis case or the Atlanta case. We just THINK shit's bad now. Another reason why these overzealous DAs can be as big a problem as a bad cop.
Great-Kazoo
06-17-2020, 16:18
That is interesting information. And boy oh boy, wait til a "Not Guilty" verdict comes down on the Minneapolis case or the Atlanta case. We just THINK shit's bad now. Another reason why these overzealous DAs can be as big a problem as a bad cop.
They will probably get him on a manslaughter verdict. UNFORTUNATELY, like the zimmerman case. Politics and public opinion will probably have them push for a (what ever number) murder charge. IF he gets off on the greater charge. While Paris is burning, the DA and politicians will have no one to blame, but them self. OR Those white racist jurors who were seated.
Because it's always someone else fault.
Shhhhhhhh
All part of the plan
Absolutely correct.
hollohas
06-17-2020, 19:18
That is interesting information. And boy oh boy, wait til a "Not Guilty" verdict comes down on the Minneapolis case or the Atlanta case. We just THINK shit's bad now. Another reason why these overzealous DAs can be as big a problem as a bad cop.
On top of the shit that would rain if that happens, if any jurors don't vote guilty, they'll get doxed in a heartbeat and be forced into witness protection.
So...when will The Running Man be live streamed and by which service?
Herschel Walker offers to send people who want to defund police to countries without them (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/herschel-walker-defund-the-police-offer)
Walker, who played 12 years in the NFL, took his thoughts to Twitter in response to people who want to eliminate police departments across the United States.
“I have an idea… For all these people who don’t want any police, I’d love to meet with American Airlines, Delta, and Southwest and make a deal to fly them to countries that don’t have police. I want them to be happy!” Walker wrote.
On Sunday, Walker said that he would volunteer to serve as a black leader to help bring members of Congress together with "leaders from all ethnic groups, both left and right, to find solutions."
“We’re civilized people,” Walker said. “Why can’t true congressmen/women and senators get together with leaders from all ethnic groups, both left and right, to find solutions... unless certain people in Washington don’t want to see a change. I’m volunteering myself as one of the black leaders.”
Walker also recently retweeted his son, Christian, on Twitter who said that he doesn’t feel bad for the people who are looting and burning down buildings during the nationwide protests.
“My dad grew up in the deep south as a poor black man and turned himself into an notable athlete, business man, and person,” Christian Walker wrote. “No, I don’t feel bad for 'oppressed' people who run around burning buildings down. I’m not sorry I’m grateful for my country/the opportunities it’s given me.”
Great-Kazoo
06-18-2020, 00:19
Herschel Walker offers to send people who want to defund police to countries without them (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/herschel-walker-defund-the-police-offer)
by sunrise thursday morning someone will have trashed his car and or property. In the name of diversity, of course.
Personal opinion here.
This entire protest shows me. some people really don't want to resolve issues. Rather loot, burn and general mayhem across the color spectrum. Based on the number of white folks i see breaking windows, throwing molotov cocktails, etc. Makes one wonder who's the money behind the curtain [ROFL2]
The name I've heard often is George Soros.
On top of the shit that would rain if that happens, if any jurors don't vote guilty, they'll get doxed in a heartbeat and be forced into witness protection.
That's if the public is allowed to be in the courtroom.
There's always some juror that wants to publish a "tell all" book or some other bullshit though in a case like that, they'll happily embellish and sell everyone's safety for a buck. I wouldn't want to trust my safety to one stranger much less eleven of them.
There's always some juror that wants to publish a "tell all" book or some other bullshit though in a case like that, they'll happily embellish and sell everyone's safety for a buck. I wouldn't want to trust my safety to one stranger much less eleven of them.
“Peers” are a funny orgiastic mistress, eh?
So you’re a trial by judge guy? Or more of a “if I dye my hair and learn Spanish, I can make it in Mexico” guy?
I think if they called me for jury selection in that case even, it's time to learn chinese overnight and scotch tape my eyes.
Otherwise, I think the most equitable resolution occurs without a court [mop]
I dunno. Tijuana street cart tacos are delish. Might get Hep, but delish.
Great-Kazoo
06-19-2020, 00:15
There's always some juror that wants to publish a "tell all" book or some other bullshit though in a case like that, they'll happily embellish and sell everyone's safety for a buck. I wouldn't want to trust my safety to one stranger much less eleven of them.
Forget the other jurors. try someone within the judicial who has a case of feels, passing on juror info the the media. They did with the spouses name. Some sjw attorney kept harassing her over the verdict.
Took a few well placed suggestions for him to back off. That's after telling him on the phone she did not have to talk to anyone. Except under a court order.
His mistake was showing up uninvited at the front door.
Forget the other jurors. try someone within the judicial who has a case of feels, passing on juror info the the media. They did with the spouses name. Some sjw attorney kept harassing her over the verdict.
Took a few well placed suggestions for him to back off. That's after telling him on the phone she did not have to talk to anyone. Except under a court order.
His mistake was showing up uninvited at the front door.
Wow. People like that should be disbarred but we all know it never happens - sounds like the attorney was trying to skirt appeals by trying to find some reason to impune a juror or challenge vor dior, effectively vacating a verdict for the most bullshit of reasons. They did that on the western slope on a high profile case:
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/04/05/michael-blagg-murder-retrial-verdict/
Utter ridiculousness, the facts of that case left no doubt - he murdered his wife and kids and took their bodies to work and dumped them in the corporate receptacle. His wife's body was found at the dump amid trash from the company, one that my cousin worked for as well. The day he did that, he was seen dragging in a bin that looked ridiculously heavy... my cousin asked if he needed help and Michael freaked out and said no, no, I got it, stay back, stay back, etc. And he was one of those guys having an active affair at the time he offed his wife and immediately moved on w/ his affair on day one.
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/riotseason.gif
Aloha_Shooter
06-19-2020, 18:46
I think if they called me for jury selection in that case even, it's time to learn chinese overnight and scotch tape my eyes.
Otherwise, I think the most equitable resolution occurs without a court [mop]
I'm told Thailand welcomes expats with money ...
I assume those spot will be filled with John Adam's and John Quincy Adam's statue.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_who_owned_ slaves#:~:text=Slave%20owning%20was%20common%20amo ng,slaves%20while%20serving%20as%20president.
During my school years, I had 1 friend from Nigeria. Every time there is black history month, he is very silent and quiet about it. He told me that their families centuries and centuries ago sold slaves.
He also mentioned how selling side is probably viewed worse than buying side in history.
I am glad that he did not mentioned that to anyone else. He might have gotten his ass kicked all the way to the Nigerian embassy.
http://youtu.be/_7NBPN-yd2U
Bailey Guns
06-25-2020, 17:16
Cities resort to disguising statues as Karl Marx so antifa radicals don't attempt to damage them.
STORY HERE (https://babylonbee.com/news/cities-successfully-preserving-existing-statues-by-re-naming-them-all-karl-marx/)
kidicarus13
06-26-2020, 02:54
. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200626/f2d92fdf3e13f34d8a5715199bbe4251.jpg
jreifsch80
06-26-2020, 11:38
Forget the other jurors. try someone within the judicial who has a case of feels, passing on juror info the the media. They did with the spouses name. Some sjw attorney kept harassing her over the verdict.
Took a few well placed suggestions for him to back off. That's after telling him on the phone she did not have to talk to anyone. Except under a court order.
His mistake was showing up uninvited at the front door.
A buddy of mines dad back in the day was a juror for a very high profile federal trial in Denver. After it was said and done a guy he worked with was geving him crap about the verdict etc.. My buddies dad told his FBI contact what was happening and not only did they guy not harrass him anymkre but he literally dissapeared and was never heard from again.
My wife passed this along to me today from Facebook. It was essentially an open letter to Steve Harvey, who has embraced BLM:
Steve Harvey
I’m so confused right now. I see signs all over saying black lives matter. I’m just trying to figure out which black lives matter. It can’t be the unborn black babies. They are destroyed without a second thought. It’s not black cops. They don’t seem to matter. It’s not my black conservative friends. They are told to shut the **** up if they know what’s best for them by their black counterparts. It’s not black business owners. Their property does not mean anything. It’s not blacks who fought in the military. Their statues are destroyed by the black lives matter protesters with disdain. So which black lives matter again?
I can’t keep up. I just can’t. I’m exhausted trying to figure out what we’re all supposed to do, believe, and be offended and outraged by next.
Two months ago, First Responders were all the rage. In fact, they were heroes. We gave them free coffee, meals, and cheers as they drove by. Today we hate them and want them defunded because they can’t be trusted.
Two months ago, truck drivers were the heroes, as well, for keeping America moving and the grocery stores stocked. Today we block the roads with protesters, drag them out of the cabs and beat them half to death.
Nurses and Doctors are still cool for now. But they may be unemployed. They too are heroes, unless of course they truly believe all lives matter. Then they’re filled with hate and are part of problem like so many others.
Just 45 days ago riots weren’t “essential” and were considered criminal, selfish and a murderous activity. Today they are gloriously critical and celebrated. All of the obvious criminal and murderous activities are simply ignored. If you protest about lockdowns for freedom, you are selfish and you will spread a virus. If you protest, loot, and riot for social justice, you are a warrior and the virus cedes.
Trust the experts. No, not those experts. Don’t wear masks ... wear masks, but only good ones. Wait, don’t wear masks, wear anything as a mask. Nevermind on the masks. Not sure, but if you don’t, you hate people because you could be an asymptomatic spreader. Wait. That's not a thing anymore?
For 3 months, NOTHING was more important than social distance. In fact, we gave up all of our liberties for it. We canceled schools, medical and dental procedures, yet allowed the murder of babies, canceled activities, closed businesses, eliminated every spring rite of passage from prom to graduation, denied people funerals, even at Arlington, and we wrecked the economy for it. Then came social justice, and social distance was no more. Now things are more cut and dry though. A thousand people at three memorials for someone they never even met. It's a matter of "respect". But you can only assemble 100 or less people.
Black Lives Matter. Of course they do. Then multiple black police officers and individuals were killed during the “peaceful protests”. I don’t see any outrage. Black individually owned businesses burned to the ground. Silence. Deadliest weekend in Chicago. NOTHING!!
I’m really confused now. Look at the data, NO, not that data. Do the math. No, you can’t do the math like that. Only the experts can understand the data and math. What do you mean other cities/states/governors are interpreting the data differently? Pools are safe in Indiana, but not Michigan? Playgrounds are safe in your town but not mine? Amusement parks are safe in Florida but not Ohio, nor Michigan.
Just listen to the black community leaders. No, not them.
If you are silent you are part of the problem. If you speak, you are part of the problem. If you have to ask, you don’t understand. If you don’t ask, you don’t care.
It’s all so predictable, tedious, and exhausting. Nothing adds up. It’s one gigantic common core Math life problem, with ever changing denominators that I’m sure the media and politicians are eagerly ready to solve for us....until the next "crisis".
So for now I pray. I pray God will heal our land and bless the United States of America.
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Don't we already have a spam email thread?
Don't we already have a spam email thread?
I'm not sure whose contribution to this thread did it better.
For those that still do facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/realCandaceOwens/videos/273957870461345/
Bailey Guns
07-07-2020, 16:32
Candace Owens is just brilliant.
Candace Owens is just brilliant.
Yes she is, we enjoy watching her videos.
Thomas Sowell turned 90 a week or so ago.
https://www.cato.org/blog/thomas-sowell-90
I had a full potato tard soliciting to sell shit with Black Lives matter sign yesterday.
I saw him approaching me and told em that I am not interested. He told me to get the fuck out of whatever the country and told me this is why racism exist in US.
This tard is messing with wrong person today. I showed him how I deal/handle full potato tards at South Central LA and Compton area. He later was mumbling his way out of our HOA.
I dont care you are black or green, dont act like a fuckung racist and call me a racist. You will open a box of
"how Mrprena deals with ghetto fucks in worst way."
^ i
I was about to film this and send it to all minority community leaders (including 4 African immigrant leaders, true african) how this black kid can be a god damn racist but calling others racist for not buying his shit that he sells.
Greenwood Village City Council votes to defend officers in suits brought under Colorado police reform law (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/greenwood-village-city-council-votes-to-defend-officers-in-suits-brought-under-colorado-police-reform-law/ar-BB16vDik)
Greenwood Village City Council voted unanimously this week on a resolution to defend any police officer sued as part of Colorado's new police reform law.
According to the resolution discussed Monday, court costs, attorney fees and fines would be paid by the city for lawsuits brought under Colorado's Senate Bill 217, which was signed into law last month. The measure included new policies on data collection and banned carotid holds.
The law also eliminated some protections for officers in civil lawsuits, in contrast with the resolution considered by Greenwood Village. If an officer is found to have acted in bad faith or there is a reasonable belief an officer's conduct was unlawful, the officer would be responsible for up to $25,000 in a civil suit, according to the law.
"It goes well beyond supporting our officers," councilmember Dave Bullock said of the resolution. "It sends a message to ... the country that we have a very different attitude towards law enforcement and the rule of law in Greenwood Village."
Bullock also told 9NEWS that he has seen protests in cities where he feels police departments are not supported and "that will not happen" in Greenwood Village.
hollohas
07-09-2020, 06:10
Greenwood Village City Council votes to defend officers in suits brought under Colorado police reform law (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/greenwood-village-city-council-votes-to-defend-officers-in-suits-brought-under-colorado-police-reform-law/ar-BB16vDik)Good on them.. I hope more follow.
Aloha_Shooter
07-09-2020, 14:58
LOL, wow, I'm seeing headlines now about a huge surge in retirement applications from NYPD now (400% compared to same week last year, 75% compared to same month last year) and NY limiting processing of those applications to 35-40 per day as a result? Great trend for realtors -- eff any city led by Democrats; you couldn't pay me enough to move to one of those locales unless I had my own PD to protect a clear fire zone 600 yards out from the property ...
http://youtu.be/hRpGwA6kZe8
Idiot shoots himself in the foot with a .22. Then said idiot begins to raise the weapon as he's approached by police. That could have gone very differently.
Seemed handled well enough. Kind of a shame the video was edited down so short though.
LOL
I'll bet he expected the cops to help him after he shot himself.
Great-Kazoo
07-10-2020, 08:54
Seemed handled well enough. Kind of a shame the video was edited down so short though.
I'm sure it would have kept rolling if one of the cops had gone from hand on gun, to being drawn.
There's good cops, there's bad cops.
Waving a gun around, instead of at the low /ready or holstered, when tensions are high.
No matter the color of ones skin. Isn't a wise thing to do. With all the SYSTEMIC RACISM being bandied about.
Sad, how an incident like the floyd issue invoked rioting, nationwide.
Yet burn a compound full of white cultist and no one blinks. OR kill someones wife, after trying to set their husband and father up, to make an illegal shotgun.
Bailey Guns
07-10-2020, 09:00
^^ Oh, yeah? Well whitey had it comin'.
^^ Oh, yeah? Well whitey had it comin'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lYVggyHRkY
TEAMRICO
07-10-2020, 16:07
Ya gotta yell “Test Fire” first. You know, to give the cops a heads up....
Bailey Guns
07-10-2020, 17:07
Unforgiven is one of my all time favorite westerns. Along with Lonesome Dove and Open Range.
Bailey Guns
07-10-2020, 17:08
My white privilege totally allows me to take the thread off topic.
My white privilege totally allows me to take the thread off topic.
Only if you start the derail with a desk pop.
Great-Kazoo
07-10-2020, 19:56
Unforgiven is one of my all time favorite westerns. Along with Lonesome Dove and Open Range.
Once upon a time in the west.
How the west was won.
The Man who Shot Liberty Valance. PILGRIM!
to name a few. Now we've really derailed it.
My white privilege totally allows me to take the thread off topic.
Those are GREAT movies.
Bailey Guns
07-10-2020, 20:10
Only if you start the derail with a desk pop.
Pfft... Like I'd ever own a gun.
You guys didn't load up on John Wayne, so good job on minimizing the racists in the thread.
[Sarcasm2]
...but I really like The Cowboys. I thought Roscoe Lee Brown playing the role of Jebediah Nightlinger was fantastic.
Aloha_Shooter
07-12-2020, 09:52
I liked Unforgiven but it doesn't even hit top 10 on my list of westerns. In no particular order:
- How the West was Won
- The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
- McLintock!
- She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
- The Searchers
- Rio Bravo
- A Fistful of Dollars
- For a Few Dollars More
- The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
- Centennial
- The Outlaw Josey Wales
- El Dorado
- Fort Apache
UncleDave
07-12-2020, 15:31
I liked Unforgiven but it doesn't even hit top 10 on my list of westerns. In no particular order:
- How the West was Won
- The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
- McLintock!
- She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
- The Searchers
- Rio Bravo
- A Fistful of Dollars
- For a Few Dollars More
- The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
- Centennial
- The Outlaw Josey Wales
- El Dorado
- Fort Apache
I agree with your list but not in that order. And for anyone that says John Wayne of John Cord were racists they don't know squat. They both fought to have the local tribes where they shot movies used on screen, portrayed Indians as honored adversaries, and had Black, Mexicans, Swedes, and many other races featured as a part of the tapestry that was the west.
This ain't white or black privilege. It is called NCAA [dropout] smoke the F out of park/school playground top basketball players.
Any bottom 10% of Division I NCAA basketball player will seriously smoke Turf playground sissy basketball players.
[LOL]
https://youtu.be/fgJ2CaTfaxU
Aloha_Shooter
07-12-2020, 23:41
I agree with your list but not in that order. And for anyone that says John Wayne of John Cord were racists they don't know squat. They both fought to have the local tribes where they shot movies used on screen, portrayed Indians as honored adversaries, and had Black, Mexicans, Swedes, and many other races featured as a part of the tapestry that was the west.
LOL, I did say "in no particular order". Agreed, the accusations of racism against Wayne and Ford are ridiculous. Wayne married a Chicano; he came to regret it but not because of her ethnicity. Ford's movies generally portrayed white men as the villains.
UncleDave
07-13-2020, 06:08
LOL, I did say "in no particular order". Agreed, the accusations of racism against Wayne and Ford are ridiculous. Wayne married a Chicano; he came to regret it but not because of her ethnicity. Ford's movies generally portrayed white men as the villains.
Actually all three of his wives were central or South American. Maybe that’s why I married a Venezuelan [Coffee]
hollohas
07-21-2020, 05:45
Pretty sure we all saw something like this coming. Sheriff deputies targeted at home, cars set on fire.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/two-vehicles-owned-by-sheriffs-deputies-torched-at-their-home-arson-investigation-opened
Bailey Guns
07-21-2020, 06:10
“At this time, we do not know the motive behind the fires, however, MCSO will determine it and share its findings with the public,” the statement noted.
I have a bag full of clue if you need some help finding the motive.
And they thought that appeasement worked.
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