View Full Version : Weapons stolen...uhmm "lawfully seized" by DPD
BPTactical
06-02-2020, 05:57
Parties released with no charges filed but their personal property kept by DPD.
https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/crime/police-seize-assault-rifles-handguns-from-anti-government-member-at-protest/73-02e6c44b-def4-4309-8dfc-d2919eee0b46
McGee and his friend were not charged or cited and a spokesperson for the Denver Police Department would not explain why or how police seized the firearms during Friday?s protest. Police would also not explain why they did not charge the men after seizing the guns.
?We were stopping by the protest to see what was going on and provided medical and water to people,? McGee said over text messages.
McGee said the guns and tactical gear were in the trunk of his vehicle while he was out at the protest.
?... we are avid shooters so we always keep our guns in the trunk as we often go shooting,? McGee added over text
Would be interesting to know the entire story on this one....
BushMasterBoy
06-02-2020, 06:43
They are just borrowing it, in case their precinct burns down. The system is corrupt and incompetent. Mcgee can have his property back, if he can afford it through the "legal system".
The moral of the story is don't advertise your defensive assets on the media. Or on here...
battlemidget
06-02-2020, 07:05
That's alot of gear!
Well, dude better prepare for the red flag coming his way.
No officer, you cannot search my vehicle....
Protests cast as BLM anti-white
Those dudes are supposedly associated with a pro-white, racist movement (per the media's take on the concept).
Dudes are assisting with water and medical at protest.
Does not compute.
ChickNorris
06-02-2020, 07:31
https://coloradotimesrecorder.com/2020/05/denver-police-seized-assault-rifles-from-anti-government-gun-activists-at-friday-night-protest/24690
asystejs
06-02-2020, 07:46
How did police know they were at the protest?
How did police find them at the protest?
How did police find the car?
Ah, youth. All dressed up and nowhere to go. Made the mistake of showing up too early for the boogaloo.
Sometimes getting an education is expensive.
Ah, youth. All dressed up and nowhere to go. Made the mistake of showing up too early for the boogaloo.
Sometimes getting an education is expensive.
It's just sad when the class is "Mistakenly believing that one lives in a country where one has rights."
Great-Kazoo
06-02-2020, 08:04
How did police know they were at the protest?
How did police find them at the protest?
How did police find the car?
his mom, probably.
is this guy a left of center or right of center person? His post say left. Yet the twatters in twitter say the opposite. Much confusion here.
Yup. Getting paid by both sides. :)
Maybe he is saving money to get out of his mom's basement.
Many radicals and reactionaries do not like where it is happening on their political affiliation as well.
Please educate me on legality of the Police being able to perform unwarranted vehicle searches. Doesn't the vehicle owner have to give them permission to search their vehicle without a warrant? Or do they need a Warrant to search a vehicle against the owners permission?
Second question, if permission for a search is granted by the vehicle owner, and legal firearms are found but the police don't "Like" what they find, how can they legally confiscate them?
Great-Kazoo
06-02-2020, 09:03
Please educate me on legality of the Police being able to perform unwarranted vehicle searches. Doesn't the vehicle owner have to give them permission to search their vehicle without a warrant? Or do they need a Warrant to search a vehicle against the owners permission?
Second question, if permission for a search is granted by the vehicle owner, and legal firearms are found but the police don't "Like" what they find, how can they legally confiscate them?
Under the threat of public safety, see link below.. Which is an all encompassing way of saying TFB, take us to court. Just like the Red Flag law. You're guilty till proven innocent.
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dhsem/ciac-organization-chart
All-Hazards Threat Analysis Unit
This analyst unit is responsible for the receipt, review, analysis and dissemination of threat and hazard related information / intelligence. The unit produces reports for law enforcement and non-law enforcement personnel for the purpose of information sharing on criminal acts that may be related to acts of terrorism or terrorism threats that may directly affect Colorado. Analysts in this unit focus on the following subject areas:
Marijuana Diversion – Black Market Threats and Illegal Export
Transnational Organized Crime
Drug Trafficking Organizations
International and Homeland terrorism
Gangs/Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs
Cyber and Critical Infrastructure
Mobile Analytics – Analytical support and Open Source Threat Review at Events
Tactical and Strategic Intelligence
Monthly classified briefs for cleared partners
Suspicious Activity Reports
Terrorist Screening Center Hits
Fire/EMS Collaboration
Threats to Religious Institutions
Internship Program
Countering Violent Extremism Which IMO is so vague anyone can be labelled under this section
Please educate me on legality of the Police being able to perform unwarranted vehicle searches. Doesn't the vehicle owner have to give them permission to search their vehicle without a warrant? Or do they need a Warrant to search a vehicle against the owners permission?
There are several exceptions to needing a warrant to search a vehicle. I don?t know the specifics of this case, but the Supreme Court (US) has given vehicles a lesser level of protection than one?s home, due to their inherent mobility. Unless something has changed since I stopped keeping up on these issues, a police officer only needs reasonable suspicion to search a vehicle, unlike the probable cause needed for a search warrant. If his mother called the police saying he was heavily armed and heading downtown to the protests to start a race war or something to that effect, they would be well within the law to search it.
There are also consent and inventory exceptions as well. If the vehicle was improperly parked, it could be towed and the contents inventoried.
Thanks for the clarification guys!!!
Bailey Guns
06-02-2020, 09:48
Please educate me on legality of the Police being able to perform unwarranted vehicle searches. Doesn't the vehicle owner have to give them permission to search their vehicle without a warrant? Or do they need a Warrant to search a vehicle against the owners permission?
Second question, if permission for a search is granted by the vehicle owner, and legal firearms are found but the police don't "Like" what they find, how can they legally confiscate them?
I'm not seeing a reason for his property to be seized, honestly.
Kind of on the topic of your question:
https://www.ar-15.co/entries/39-quot-Your-Car-Is-An-Extension-of-Your-Home-quot-Why-that-s-not-really-true
That’s a great post you put together and linked to, Bailey. Well written.
Bailey Guns
06-02-2020, 10:41
Thanks. Hope it helps.
I'm not seeing a reason for his property to be seized, honestly.
Kind of on the topic of your question:
https://www.ar-15.co/entries/39-quot-Your-Car-Is-An-Extension-of-Your-Home-quot-Why-that-s-not-really-true
Thanks for the link to your post. That is good stuff!!!
My main concern with this topic in how it applies to my circumstance. Just about every weekend I am traveling to and from shooting matches with what the news would categorize as an "Arsenal" of guns, ammo and gear. On rare occasions I have been pulled over while driving to and from the range with all of my shooting gear in the back. I tell the officer as soon as they get to my window that I am going to or coming from the shooting range and have several unloaded firearms and ammo in the back of the vehicle which is also out of reach from the drivers seat. Every single time they thanked me for the heads up and didn't say or do anything else about it.
I am just not sure how my situation could somehow lead to a getting my stuff confiscated simply because the police officer didn't like that I had firearms in the vehicle.
I'm not seeing a reason for his property to be seized, honestly.
Kind of on the topic of your question:
https://www.ar-15.co/entries/39-quot-Your-Car-Is-An-Extension-of-Your-Home-quot-Why-that-s-not-really-true
The same reason that a big game hunter staying at the Brown Palace downtown before taking a flight to Africa had his guns seized and was thrown in jail for several days. It's Denver. They say, "Whoops, sorry for the misunderstanding." and you get screwed. Why anyone has anything to do with City & County of Denver is beyond me.
It's just sad when the class is "Mistakenly believing that one lives in a country where one has rights."
When they openly admit that they were there to open carry in City & County of Denver, which is illegal, but there weren't enough other people breaking the law to get away with it, wasn't a smart move.
If they kept their mouths shut, it would be easier to say, "We were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time."
City & County of Denver is a liberal mess. That's a given. Willingly putting yourself in that place and time to 'make a statement' is pretty stupid. Agreed?
When they openly admit that they were there to open carry in City & County of Denver, which is illegal, but there weren't enough other people breaking the law to get away with it, wasn't a smart move.
If they kept their mouths shut, it would be easier to say, "We were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time."
City & County of Denver is a liberal mess. That's a given. Willingly putting yourself in that place and time to 'make a statement' is pretty stupid. Agreed?
They specifically stated they were NOT there to open carry, and did NOT open carry.
re-read the link CN posted early on in the thread: https://coloradotimesrecorder.com/2020/05/denver-police-seized-assault-rifles-from-anti-government-gun-activists-at-friday-night-protest/24690
Bailey Guns
06-02-2020, 13:49
It's just sad when the class is "Mistakenly believing that one lives in a country where one has rights."
I'll be honest. This kind of comment drives me up the freakin' wall. It's the intellectual equivalent of saying we're currently under martial law, as another member has asserted.
I would expect this type of comment from CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, etc. I really don't expect to see intelligent, informed people saying stuff like this.
Making this kind of blanket assertion doesn't do anyone any good. It's one of those "venting" type statements that's the equal of jabbing a sharp stick in someone's eye.
So, on the surface, it appears DPD screwed this guy over by seizing his property. I agree. But do we have to broaden this type of possible bad behavior by DPD to asserting the entire country is this way...like we all live in a gulag where we have no rights? Seriously. If we don't live in the country with the most personal freedom on the planet it's definitely on the short list. Yes...people come along and fuck that freedom up for individuals occasionally. But that just doesn't give reason to say we mistakenly believe we live in a country without rights. This sort of thing is just meant to inflame and instigate in my opinion. I get the frustration but I gotta say, you're better than that.
I'll be honest. This kind of comment drives me up the freakin' wall. It's the intellectual equivalent of saying we're currently under martial law, as another member has asserted.
I would expect this type of comment from CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, etc. I really don't expect to see intelligent, informed people saying stuff like this.
Making this kind of blanket assertion doesn't do anyone any good. It's one of those "venting" type statements that's the equal of jabbing a sharp stick in someone's eye.
So, on the surface, it appears DPD screwed this guy over by seizing his property. I agree. But do we have to broaden this type of possible bad behavior by DPD to asserting the entire country is this way...like we all live in a gulag where we have no rights? Seriously. If we don't live in the country with the most personal freedom on the planet it's definitely on the short list. Yes...people come along and fuck that freedom up for individuals occasionally. But that just doesn't give reason to say we mistakenly believe we live in a country without rights. This sort of thing is just meant to inflame and instigate in my opinion. I get the frustration but I gotta say, you're better than that.
I can only call it like I see it. Civil forfeiture, the myriad of felonies which we all likely commit every day simply going about our lives in good will, qualified immunity which lets narcissistic psychopaths get away with far too much with far too little consequences except in rare cases, clear and consistent violations of the Constitution at the legislative and judicial levels despite the Founding Fathers having extra-Constitutional writings which show their intention, the cancerous growth of Federal power, the lack of the Feds' willingness to also check States when they violate laws which are contrary to Federal law, etc.
I'm done.
I have no hope that if I were to be hit with some trumped up charges, I would walk away with my life and finances intact, even if "proven" innocent (whatever that means anymore).
In short, I'm wet and no longer fear the rain. So no, I don't believe that I, or any of us, have rights in this country. Do I objectively? Absolutely. But they are given by God and the human dignity of life. And I conduct my life with that in mind with an eye toward prudence in acting upon them. But do I believe those rights are respected? Not anymore than if I were living in a town run by the Mafia.
They specifically stated they were NOT there to open carry, and did NOT open carry.
re-read the link CN posted early on in the thread: https://coloradotimesrecorder.com/2020/05/denver-police-seized-assault-rifles-from-anti-government-gun-activists-at-friday-night-protest/24690
I did read it. Did you?:
“Open carry is illegal in Denver and we did not have enough guys to open carry so I don’t wanna hear it,” wrote McGee on Facebook.
If they didn't intend to open carry, which they admitted is illegal, then Whiskey Tango Foxtrot does "have enough guys to open carry" have to do with it?
When they openly admit that they were there to open carry in City & County of Denver, which is illegal, but there weren't enough other people breaking the law to get away with it, wasn't a smart move.
If they kept their mouths shut, it would be easier to say, "We were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time."
City & County of Denver is a liberal mess. That's a given. Willingly putting yourself in that place and time to 'make a statement' is pretty stupid. Agreed?
Is it illegal though?
BPTactical
06-02-2020, 20:43
As mentioned "Civil Forfeiture".
Denver, City and County of has made it an art of stealing personal property from people.
There are many well documented cases of people who have had property seized by CCD never to see it again even though charges are never filed, vacated or acquitted against the persons.
If I understand it correctly the property has a separate case filed against it and the owner only has X days to respond to it.
If they dont respond the property is forfeited.
Reason 12,487,699,521 to not got to CCD.
I have the same fear as Cha-lee, but with respect to civil forfeiture instead of guns. Beyond having a safe in my vehicle, I don't know how to protect myself.
I did read it. Did you?:
If they didn't intend to open carry, which they admitted is illegal, then Whiskey Tango Foxtrot does "have enough guys to open carry" have to do with it?
Because if there was a large group, the law is unlikely to be enforced (as in other instances). The fact remains, they didn’t open carry and didn’t intend to do so. So I don’t really know what point you’re trying to make.
Because if there was a large group, the law is unlikely to be enforced (as in other instances). The fact remains, they didn’t open carry and didn’t intend to do so. So I don’t really know what point you’re trying to make.
The point is that they put themselves into that situation to rub City & County of Denver's nose in it. I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that they "didn't intend to do so" because they admitted otherwise. If they wanted to protest open carry in Denver, they picked a really bad time to do it. There may not be any charges pressed, but see BP's post above.
Can?t they report the weapons stolen to another government agency (Federal).
BushMasterBoy
06-03-2020, 00:03
So if you are shot and killed in the street by a uniformed member of the United States military, that isn't martial law?
And the Denver confiscation practices are pretty unconstitutional, so you have to fight that in federal court.
And some members say I don't know shit about the law, but I sued the .gov and won over a million dollars. And it was a pro se case....I represented myself!
So many questions on here that could be answered by doing a little digging. I couldn?t sleep Friday night and wound up watching some live feeds of protests / riots / whatever else is going on. I can tell you that the live feed footage that?s been available online paints a much different story than what the Left and Right side of the msm are spewing, and also contradicts a lot of what LEO community publishers are putting out online.
If you want the lowdown on what happened regarding this guy in Denver who?s guns were ?liberated? by the police, then look for the live feed of ?notchevymcghee? on Facebook. I?m pretty positive it?s the same guys feed I stumbled across and watched.
On another note, I watched video this morning of two separate instances (in the same department) of police officers firing tear gas canisters out of launchers...
at nonviolent people...
literally from feet away...
Maybe 6 feet in one instance....
Maybe 10 feet in the other...
At their fucking faces.
Intentional gas canister head shots to nonviolent ?citizens?
I?m disgusted.
edited to try to correct screenname for the live feed mentioned.
Bailey Guns
06-03-2020, 10:32
So if you are shot and killed in the street by a uniformed member of the United States military, that isn't martial law?
And the Denver confiscation practices are pretty unconstitutional, so you have to fight that in federal court.
And some members say I don't know shit about the law, but I sued the .gov and won over a million dollars. And it was a pro se case....I represented myself!
No, that doesn't equate to martial law. It's either justified use of force or murder depending on what you were doing/not doing when you were shot. The definition of martial law isn't being kept a secret, dude. Look it up. It's pretty clear and it's been explained to you several times now.
Also, any court can find a law unconstitutional within it's jurisdiction. Ultimately, the state supreme court has final jurisdiction over state constitutional issues and SCOTUS does over national constitutional issues. Any lawsuit over this would not have to originate in federal court.
Congrats on winning your case. Now use some of that money and buy some Google so you can learn what martial law is.
SA Friday
06-03-2020, 20:27
From a perspective of someone who was in the business of identifying threats and dealing with them, the info Chicknorris posted says way more than the news story. FBI /JTTF/ et al get's a tip that Bubba McDumbass (Bunn) is making pipe bombs. So they start looking into his background and find he's affiliated with a group on the internet calling themselves "boogaloo Bois" and get a little concerned McDumbass is the tip of the iceberg. They ID all the other McDumbasses and run across McGee McDumbass is planning on trying to start an open carry group at the rally. So that do they have now? They really don't know, but they do know they have white dudes making pipe bombs and talking about kitting up and open carrying at a protest predominately by black people. So when "Mr 20 year old living with mom boogaloo boi lets all wear out kits to the black panther party with my McDumbass buddies who were making pipe bombs" shows up to the rally, ya... He got identified and then tracked and then when he went to his car, they rode up hard on him. Then I guarantee you the asked if he would consent to a search and he said, "ya, Im legal. Search away." So they popped the trunk and found all that gear in there and immediately went into "oh fuck" mode. He got handled and cuffed and they seized everything. Threat neutralized.
Now, I bet you McGee Mcdumbass is all butt-hurt because he lost his real live cos-play gear and DPD didn't just politely give it back. Fuck.... You don't think they aren't still digging and scratching to see if these complete retards are or are not potential dangerous? Yep. They are. He isn't going to get is shit back till they're done until JTTF is done figuring of they are stupid people doing stupid things stupidly or if they really have an issue they need to address here.
So, McDumbass cos-playing boogaloo-boi needs to go get himself a job so he can pay for a lawyer to notify DPD with intent to sue for illegal seizure, ORRRRRRR he can politely ask DPD how to get his possessions back, ORRRRRRR he can STFU and stop crying like a bitch to who ever will listen to him.
Here's the deal. This fucking idiot isn't a victim. He was an identified potential threat. Just because the FBI, JTTF, DPD didn't release all the info doesn't mean that what is on face now is all that's going on. I personally wouldn't have allowed any official story on what was seized and pictures taken if this was in my control when I was a Fed. Too many people want to cry for poor Mr Mcdumbass and there is probably more idiots in this group getting vetted. McVeigh and his cohorts when they blew up the building in Oklahoma City probably looked very much like this group. Not to even mention how much the media, social internet pages, and videos instigated the Columbine shooting. So, I would recommend stop shedding tears for this moron. He can get a lawyer and get his shit back. Maybe he learned a lesson, maybe not.
BushMasterBoy
06-03-2020, 21:11
No, that doesn't equate to martial law. It's either justified use of force or murder depending on what you were doing/not doing when you were shot. The definition of martial law isn't being kept a secret, dude. Look it up. It's pretty clear and it's been explained to you several times now.
Also, any court can find a law unconstitutional within it's jurisdiction. Ultimately, the state supreme court has final jurisdiction over state constitutional issues and SCOTUS does over national constitutional issues. Any lawsuit over this would not have to originate in federal court.
Congrats on winning your case. Now use some of that money and buy some Google so you can learn what martial law is.
Please write more...
BPTactical
06-03-2020, 21:29
From a perspective of someone who was in the business of identifying threats and dealing with them, the info Chicknorris posted says way more than the news story. FBI /JTTF/ et al get's a tip that Bubba McDumbass (Bunn) is making pipe bombs. So they start looking into his background and find he's affiliated with a group on the internet calling themselves "boogaloo Bois" and get a little concerned McDumbass is the tip of the iceberg. They ID all the other McDumbasses and run across McGee McDumbass is planning on trying to start an open carry group at the rally. So that do they have now? They really don't know, but they do know they have white dudes making pipe bombs and talking about kitting up and open carrying at a protest predominately by black people. So when "Mr 20 year old living with mom boogaloo boi lets all wear out kits to the black panther party with my McDumbass buddies who were making pipe bombs" shows up to the rally, ya... He got identified and then tracked and then when he went to his car, they rode up hard on him. Then I guarantee you the asked if he would consent to a search and he said, "ya, Im legal. Search away." So they popped the trunk and found all that gear in there and immediately went into "oh fuck" mode. He got handled and cuffed and they seized everything. Threat neutralized.
Now, I bet you McGee Mcdumbass is all butt-hurt because he lost his real live cos-play gear and DPD didn't just politely give it back. Fuck.... You don't think they aren't still digging and scratching to see if these complete retards are or are not potential dangerous? Yep. They are. He isn't going to get is shit back till they're done until JTTF is done figuring of they are stupid people doing stupid things stupidly or if they really have an issue they need to address here.
So, McDumbass cos-playing boogaloo-boi needs to go get himself a job so he can pay for a lawyer to notify DPD with intent to sue for illegal seizure, ORRRRRRR he can politely ask DPD how to get his possessions back, ORRRRRRR he can STFU and stop crying like a bitch to who ever will listen to him.
Here's the deal. This fucking idiot isn't a victim. He was an identified potential threat. Just because the FBI, JTTF, DPD didn't release all the info doesn't mean that what is on face now is all that's going on. I personally wouldn't have allowed any official story on what was seized and pictures taken if this was in my control when I was a Fed. Too many people want to cry for poor Mr Mcdumbass and there is probably more idiots in this group getting vetted. McVeigh and his cohorts when they blew up the building in Oklahoma City probably looked very much like this group. Not to even mention how much the media, social internet pages, and videos instigated the Columbine shooting. So, I would recommend stop shedding tears for this moron. He can get a lawyer and get his shit back. Maybe he learned a lesson, maybe not.
I had my suspicions that there was much, much more to the story.
Thanks SA
From a perspective of someone who was in the business of identifying threats and dealing with them, the info Chicknorris posted says way more than the news story. FBI /JTTF/ et al get's a tip that Bubba McDumbass (Bunn) is making pipe bombs. So they start looking into his background and find he's affiliated with a group on the internet calling themselves "boogaloo Bois" and get a little concerned McDumbass is the tip of the iceberg. They ID all the other McDumbasses and run across McGee McDumbass is planning on trying to start an open carry group at the rally. So that do they have now? They really don't know, but they do know they have white dudes making pipe bombs and talking about kitting up and open carrying at a protest predominately by black people. So when "Mr 20 year old living with mom boogaloo boi lets all wear out kits to the black panther party with my McDumbass buddies who were making pipe bombs" shows up to the rally, ya... He got identified and then tracked and then when he went to his car, they rode up hard on him. Then I guarantee you the asked if he would consent to a search and he said, "ya, Im legal. Search away." So they popped the trunk and found all that gear in there and immediately went into "oh fuck" mode. He got handled and cuffed and they seized everything. Threat neutralized.
Now, I bet you McGee Mcdumbass is all butt-hurt because he lost his real live cos-play gear and DPD didn't just politely give it back. Fuck.... You don't think they aren't still digging and scratching to see if these complete retards are or are not potential dangerous? Yep. They are. He isn't going to get is shit back till they're done until JTTF is done figuring of they are stupid people doing stupid things stupidly or if they really have an issue they need to address here.
So, McDumbass cos-playing boogaloo-boi needs to go get himself a job so he can pay for a lawyer to notify DPD with intent to sue for illegal seizure, ORRRRRRR he can politely ask DPD how to get his possessions back, ORRRRRRR he can STFU and stop crying like a bitch to who ever will listen to him.
Here's the deal. This fucking idiot isn't a victim. He was an identified potential threat. Just because the FBI, JTTF, DPD didn't release all the info doesn't mean that what is on face now is all that's going on. I personally wouldn't have allowed any official story on what was seized and pictures taken if this was in my control when I was a Fed. Too many people want to cry for poor Mr Mcdumbass and there is probably more idiots in this group getting vetted. McVeigh and his cohorts when they blew up the building in Oklahoma City probably looked very much like this group. Not to even mention how much the media, social internet pages, and videos instigated the Columbine shooting. So, I would recommend stop shedding tears for this moron. He can get a lawyer and get his shit back. Maybe he learned a lesson, maybe not.
Then charge it or publicize it. If he's enough of a threat that you have to seize his legally owned property, he's enough of a threat that maybe he shouldn't be walking around right now, and I can't imagine those are the only weapons he has access to. If he's not a threat worth detaining/charging, then yeah, don't take/hold his shit. I agree with your bit about the guy being a boogaloo cosplayer guy as are many we've seen so far, and I'd happily call someone naive at best bring that shit, and fuck I don't even have a huge issue with DPD detaining them long enough to figure out what's going on given the circumstances, but charge it or give it back. I don't think there's too many people right now who are inclined to agree with the argument that the feds/police have something they're just not sharing, therefore it's cool and we should just trust them.
Aloha_Shooter
06-04-2020, 00:58
Unless he has an imminent threat and no other weapons, he can afford to wait a reasonable amount of time while they pursue the investigation. If it drags on for months then make some noise and waves but it hasn't been that long. It wouldn't surprise me if Denver purposely drug out the investigation but complain when there's evidence of that -- the guy presented a profile that triggered reasonable alerts, let it play out for now.
From a perspective of someone who was in the business of identifying threats and dealing with them, the info Chicknorris posted says way more than the news story. FBI /JTTF/ et al get's a tip that Bubba McDumbass (Bunn) is making pipe bombs. So they start looking into his background and find he's affiliated with a group on the internet calling themselves "boogaloo Bois" and get a little concerned McDumbass is the tip of the iceberg. They ID all the other McDumbasses and run across McGee McDumbass is planning on trying to start an open carry group at the rally. So that do they have now? They really don't know, but they do know they have white dudes making pipe bombs and talking about kitting up and open carrying at a protest predominately by black people. So when "Mr 20 year old living with mom boogaloo boi lets all wear out kits to the black panther party with my McDumbass buddies who were making pipe bombs" shows up to the rally, ya... He got identified and then tracked and then when he went to his car, they rode up hard on him. Then I guarantee you the asked if he would consent to a search and he said, "ya, Im legal. Search away." So they popped the trunk and found all that gear in there and immediately went into "oh fuck" mode. He got handled and cuffed and they seized everything. Threat neutralized.
Now, I bet you McGee Mcdumbass is all butt-hurt because he lost his real live cos-play gear and DPD didn't just politely give it back. Fuck.... You don't think they aren't still digging and scratching to see if these complete retards are or are not potential dangerous? Yep. They are. He isn't going to get is shit back till they're done until JTTF is done figuring of they are stupid people doing stupid things stupidly or if they really have an issue they need to address here.
So, McDumbass cos-playing boogaloo-boi needs to go get himself a job so he can pay for a lawyer to notify DPD with intent to sue for illegal seizure, ORRRRRRR he can politely ask DPD how to get his possessions back, ORRRRRRR he can STFU and stop crying like a bitch to who ever will listen to him.
Here's the deal. This fucking idiot isn't a victim. He was an identified potential threat. Just because the FBI, JTTF, DPD didn't release all the info doesn't mean that what is on face now is all that's going on. I personally wouldn't have allowed any official story on what was seized and pictures taken if this was in my control when I was a Fed. Too many people want to cry for poor Mr Mcdumbass and there is probably more idiots in this group getting vetted. McVeigh and his cohorts when they blew up the building in Oklahoma City probably looked very much like this group. Not to even mention how much the media, social internet pages, and videos instigated the Columbine shooting. So, I would recommend stop shedding tears for this moron. He can get a lawyer and get his shit back. Maybe he learned a lesson, maybe not.
This is all possibly correct. If it is correct, then history shows us that there’s a good possibility that the idea and threat of a pipe bomb originated with a government informant or plant. Looks like the same thing happened in Vegas a day or so ago.
I think this concept of McDumbass having been under surveillance says a lot.
Good thing we’ve got HR 838 in the works so that all gun owners can be surveilled and the government can neutralize any future threats before they happen.
Wtf
Unless he has an imminent threat and no other weapons, he can afford to wait a reasonable amount of time while they pursue the investigation. If it drags on for months then make some noise and waves but it hasn't been that long. It wouldn't surprise me if Denver purposely drug out the investigation but complain when there's evidence of that -- the guy presented a profile that triggered reasonable alerts, let it play out for now.
Publicize a reason why, charge it, or return the stuff. Denver PD refuses to make any comment on how/why they were seized, not even an easy cop out like "part of an ongoing investigation". You're posting on a gun forum, in a state that's getting less 2A friendly, and you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them without any stated reason when they can't even point to a crime that may have been committed? That's absolutely not my jam.
Publicize a reason why, charge it, or return the stuff. Denver PD refuses to make any comment on how/why they were seized, not even an easy cop out like "part of an ongoing investigation". You're posting on a gun forum, in a state that's getting less 2A friendly, and you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them without any stated reason when they can't even point to a crime that may have been committed? That's absolutely not my jam.
Just because one is aware of the reality of the situation, including the past history of DPD, doesn't mean "you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them".
Speaking for myself, I'm not very sympathetic to these guys since they appear to have put themselves in that situation with the intent to break the law.
You seem to be sharing that you're very upset about this situation. What's your plan to change it?
Just because one is aware of the reality of the situation, including the past history of DPD, doesn't mean "you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them".
Speaking for myself, I'm not very sympathetic to these guys since they appear to have put themselves in that situation with the intent to break the law.
You seem to be sharing that you're very upset about this situation. What's your plan to change it?
If somebody makes posts in support of the very thing we're discussing, then yeah, I'd say they're ok with it.
We can speculate all we want about how there may be a threat, may be a reason, cool, then it's the responsibility of the government to articulate that. Shit, I've got no idea if those mags are pinned to 15 as per Denver laws, so let's say they're full 30s for the sake of the argument. I'd say that's a bullshit law, as I think most people here would, but then DPD could just say here's a law they're breaking, we're declining to prosecute but we're seizing the illegal mags (I'd not be ok with them holding the guns/whatnot, but I could see that happening the same way we've seen say the game wardens take the truck someone used for poaching). That would be something. Instead we've got no stated crimes, no stated threat/intended crimes, just the seizure and silence as to why.
As far as being upset about this stuff? Yeah, I am. In addition to this incident, we can spend a few minutes going through any of the many of reddit threads showing atrocious police behavior before and during peaceful protests, as well as when being used to stop riotous behavior. As far as changing it? Shit I would've hoped enough people would be pissed off that we'd be getting real momentum going on an independent federal review board as well as drastically increasing hiring standards and use of force standards (see my post in the endgame thread for more, but it's nothing new or interesting), but seems instead we're just having abuses rationalized away or ignored because of some mythical antifa/soros/obama conspiracy that must be behind it on one side and the same issues being complained about as they were before on the other. I'll vote, I'll try to write/call/protest what I can, but yeah, thinking about how to change it really requires everybody being on board with "hey, this is pretty fucked" and seeing the reactions of people here and on other social media doesn't really give me hope that we'll see any unity on that.
I’d be happy with an end to qualified immunity, civil asset forfeiture and no knock raids.
How about we address some of the obvious issues of abuse first.
Aloha_Shooter
06-04-2020, 13:06
Publicize a reason why, charge it, or return the stuff. Denver PD refuses to make any comment on how/why they were seized, not even an easy cop out like "part of an ongoing investigation". You're posting on a gun forum, in a state that's getting less 2A friendly, and you're honestly ok with police seizing weapons and holding them without any stated reason when they can't even point to a crime that may have been committed? That's absolutely not my jam.
Publicize information in the middle of an investigation is a bad idea that can lead to losing or compromising sources. Charging starts a clock so they shouldn't do that until their investigation and therefore case is nearly complete. I've said before that I think the LA DA screwed themselves by charging OJ Simpson too soon which led to a court case with logical holes and resulted in "reasonable doubt". In fact, charging creates negative consequences for the person being investigated that can go beyond a temporary property confiscation. It would seem to me like saying "part of an ongoing investigation" like you suggest ought to be a starting point but there are probably complications I'm not aware of.
The government should have to explain long term holds but you're complaining about this a few days after it occurred. There've been a few things over the past few days that might occupy their attentions more than issuing press statements.
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