The system

[buffalobo]

I keep hearing how "the system is racist" and "systemic racism"

Not sure what the system is and what it does so have no insight as to it's prejudice.

Let's hear the myriad of explanations of the system and how it might be racist.

MOD edit - this is an intellectual exercise, if your fragile ego cannot stand close inspection and scrutiny of your points then you would be better off as spectator rather than poster.

[Bailey Guns]

Well let's start by asking if you believe everything you hear?

[buffalobo]

I don't believe anything till I see it or reported by my own credible source.

[buffalobo]

Am sure there is a legal system angle, may even be primary.

[Zundfolge]

The idea that "the system" is racist is based on the flawed premise that every disparity in outcomes of different racial groups are always and only the result of racism.

Its muddled thinking that gets taken advantage of by hucksters and racists to line their pockets and get political power for themselves and their "group".

If you look at the world as nothing but identity groups, ranked by "oppressed" and "oppressor" you end up becoming a worse racist than a skinhead.

Individualism is the solution. Group-think and identitarianism are cancer (especially when blended with Critical Theory and weaponized by Marxists).

[Great-Kazoo]

i don't get preferential hiring due to my, gender, ethnic / race and identifying as heterosexual. .

DAMN YOU GENITALIA, DAMN YOU TO HELL !















true story

applied for a state job years ago. Hiring process closed and interviews done. Was told i was on the short list, but......................................... Since they did not have a larger field of (insert) other check boxes. They had to relist the job, because federal guidelines etc, etc, etc. Even if they were not qualified, which those who applied were not. They needed to "hire" at least 1 other check box to maintain funding.

[buffalobo]

The idea that "the system" is racist is based on the flawed premise that every disparity in outcomes of different racial groups are always and only the result of racism.

Its muddled thinking that gets taken advantage of by hucksters and racists to line their pockets and get political power for themselves and their "group".

If you look at the world as nothing but identity groups, ranked by "oppressed" and "oppressor" you end up becoming a worse racist than a skinhead.

Individualism is the solution. Group-think and identitarianism are cancer (especially when blended with Critical Theory and weaponized by Marxists).Well said, Hucksters fits politicians and race baiters.

[buffalobo]

i don't get preferential hiring due to my, gender, ethnic / race and identifying as heterosexual. .

DAMN YOU GENITALIA, DAMN YOU TO HELL !















true story

applied for a state job years ago. Hiring process closed and interviews done. Was told i was on the short list, but......................................... Since they did not have a larger field of (insert) other check boxes. They had to relist the job, because federal guidelines etc, etc, etc. Even if they were not qualified, which those who applied were not. They needed to "hire" at least 1 other check box to maintain funding.Seems the system would benefit the current complainants. Where do they get it is racist.

I personally experienced losing out on a very good job due to quota hiring.

[Irving]

If you think that a bunch of white people are going to be able to figure out how the experiences of non-white people shape their perceptions, without the input of non-white people, prepare for disappointment.

[Sawin]

I believe it’s as simple as acknowledging that every person of every race tends to prefer to build relationships with people that act, believe, behave, and perhaps even look, like them.... since there are more white people, many minorities may literally perceive their influence and importance is lessened because there aren’t as many of them. The results and effects of that vary widely based on culture, education, religion, economics, etc... so we see “tribalism” develop in many forms.

We have plenty of “tribes” in the gun community too...

That’s it in a nutshell as far as I can tell.

[TEAMRICO]

I believe it?s as simple as acknowledging that every person of every race tends to prefer to build relationships with people that act, believe, behave, and perhaps even look, like them.... since there are more white people, many minorities may literally perceive their influence and importance is lessened because there aren?t as many of them. The results and effects of that vary widely based on culture, education, religion, economics, etc... so we see ?tribalism? develop in many forms.

We have plenty of ?tribes? in the gun community too...

That?s it in a nutshell as far as I can tell.

I always found this interesting.

https://www.neatorama.com/2013/12/15/When-the-Actors-in-Planet-of-the-Apes-Donned-Their-Makeup-They-Spontaneously--Segregated-Themselves/

I always thought saying a system, organization whatever is racist is just an easy way to cover your ass. You don?t have to prove it, it just sounds good to say, it?s Lazy and everyone is guilty.
Kids in the school I once worked in used to say ?This schools is racist!? Then I would ask them ?Is the school racist on the weekend or during vacation when nobody is here? It is an empty building, is it still racist??
Stumped them every time.

[hurley842002]

I'm just going to drop this right here, it's a minority gentleman's view of "the system" and other topics.

**WARNING** Language and other potentially offensive comments within.

https://youtu.be/o5nwTkrp57Y

Sent from my SM-G986U using Tapatalk

[hollohas]

Seems the system would benefit the current complainants. Where do they get it is racist.

I personally experienced losing out on a very good job due to quota hiring.

And this is what's hard for me to understand. As long as we have check boxes or pie charts showing what amount of what race there is in a group, it'll be impossible to get rid of racism. We literally REQUIRE racism on a daily basis as part of affirmative action.

But I was told this week that "ignoring color" is actually racist. Here this entire time I was under the impression that considering someone's color when making decisions was what was racist. Now not considering it is...

I'm so confused. But that's because I'm white and that makes me a racist bad person...wait, isn't labeling someone bad simply because of their skin color, racist? Nevermind...

[CS1983]

The system isn’t racist. The system is systemic. If the population magically flipped overnight, whites would be burning down, tagging, and rioting over the same shit.

If you don’t design points of flexibility into rigid systems, they will design themselves.

[Jumpstart]

"If the population magically flipped overnight, whites would be burning down, tagging, and rioting over the same shit. " And what "shit" is this? Marxism? There are whites burning down, tagging and rioting.

Anyway, there is systematic racism and institutional racism implemented, against whites in education, government etc. Affirmative action and all it's manifestations, diversity, multiculturalism etc.

[CS1983]

Yes. Affirmative action is racist. I never claimed otherwise.

[Gman]

Who has built and is promoting a "system" that identifies people based on the color of their skin and not by the quality of their character?

Democrats. Identity politics is their bread & butter. They must continue to divide and label people based on these attributes. Qualities that the individuals had no control over, which makes them 'victims'.

Having lived during 'affirmative action', I'd like to know how my 'white privilege' is assumed when it was held against me by government mandates and quotas. I've experienced discrimination based on the color of my skin.

Everyone is different. Everyone's life experiences are different. Don't assume anything other than the people you encounter are fighting their own battles that you know nothing about.

We'd be much better off if government forms and applications were assumed to be completed by a human. If biological sex is important, for things like medical forms, then have that as an option. Hire the best qualified candidate, not the individual that meets an arbitrary quota pulled from some politician's lower abdomen. If a job has physical requirements, there shouldn't be separate requirements based on biological sex. Anyone that can meet the criteria, regardless of biology, then they're qualified.

[BPTactical]

Y'all haven't figured it out yet?

The system is broken.
The system is rigged.

[Zundfolge]

If you think that a bunch of white people are going to be able to figure out how the experiences of non-white people shape their perceptions, without the input of non-white people, prepare for disappointment.

That's one of the left's "big lies" ... this notion that understanding other people's experience requires you to have the same skin color is just foolishness. "Racial knowledge" is racism.




Having lived during 'affirmative action', I'd like to know how my 'white privilege' is assumed when it was held against me by government mandates and quotas. I've experienced discrimination based on the color of my skin.

"White Privilege" is a lie designed to justify racism against a scapegoat group ... the only difference between now and 30s Germany is that the scapegoaters are scapegoating the majority instead of a minority.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"
- Voltaire

Nobody is prevented from criticizing the white man.

[TFOGGER]

The concept of systemic racism is grounded in the victim mentality promulgated by the media and US educational systems. It is much easier to say"I failed because of racism, the whole world is holding me back because of the color of my skin" than to confess " I failed to make the most of the opportunities that were available to me, and I failed because of the decisions I made". Everyone has inherent biases, and many fail to recognize them. I'm not colorblind, but I at least recognize my personal biases, and am somewhat successful in getting past them to see people AS people. I don't have black friends, or white friends, or asian friends, or hispanic friends. My friends are simply friends. I recognize and accept that there are cultural differences, but really, who wants to be surrounded by people that all look, act, and think exactly like themselves?

[Bailey Guns]

If you think that a bunch of white people are going to be able to figure out how the experiences of non-white people shape their perceptions, without the input of non-white people, prepare for disappointment.

Well if you flipped that around wouldn't the same be true? Couldn't you say that about any 2 different people? Couldn't you say that about a man vs a woman? That sounds like something you may have heard somewhere that you thought makes you sound really woke to repeat.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't believe anything till I see it or reported by my own credible source.

And what does your credible source tell you? I'm guessing...and I may be wrong...that it's telling you the whole systemic racism thing currently claimed by blacks against the "white" system is bullshit.

That's what my sources tell me over and over. That's what my experiences tell me over and over. Doesn't mean there isn't isolated instances here and there. Systemic? Unh uh.

[buffalobo]

If you think that a bunch of white people are going to be able to figure out how the experiences of non-white people shape their perceptions, without the input of non-white people, prepare for disappointment.Nothing to add, please enjoy the show.

Intellectual exercise, no intent to fix anything.

[buffalobo]

I'm just going to drop this right here, it's a minority gentleman's view of "the system" and other topics.

**WARNING** Language and other potentially offensive comments within.

https://youtu.be/o5nwTkrp57Y

Sent from my SM-G986U using TapatalkSame as Irving, thanks for playing.

[Irving]

Well if you flipped that around wouldn't the same be true? Couldn't you say that about any 2 different people? Couldn't you say that about a man vs a woman? That sounds like something you may have heard somewhere that you thought makes you sound really woke to repeat.

Let me retract the first statement and replace with, "when people go out of their way to not understand something, don't get your hopes up.

This has already been demonstrated in this thread, including your response to me. Your immediate jump to, "Oh you're just trying to sounds woke, huh huh." Is exactly why a thread like to is a lost cause. I won't hop in and ruin the conversation. Have fun with the conversation.

[buffalobo]

And what does your credible source tell you? I'm guessing...and I may be wrong...that it's telling you the whole systemic racism thing currently claimed by blacks against the "white" system is bullshit.

That's what my sources tell me over and over. That's what my experiences tell me over and over. Doesn't mean there isn't isolated instances here and there. Systemic? Unh uh.The claimants have very little standing to even bring the thin/weak complaints they have put forth.

Absolutely no justification for any of the destruction we have seen recently. None whatsoever in any way shape or form.

My off topic comment is that while I disagree with the vilification of cops I do think they are 15 yrs late.

[buffalobo]

Let me retract the first statement and replace with, "when people go out of their way to not understand something, don't get your hopes up.

This has already been demonstrated in this thread, including your response to me. Your immediate jump to, "Oh you're just trying to sounds woke, huh huh." Is exactly why a thread like to is a lost cause. I won't hop in and ruin the conversation. Have fun with the conversation.I keep hearing how "the system is racist" and "systemic racism"

Not sure what the system is and what it does so have no insight as to it's prejudice.

Let's hear the myriad of explanations of the system and how it might be racist.

Irving, if you can make a comment on topic I won't get pissed. I see both post as trolling by the standard I set in the OP.

Maybe you should sit this one out.

[Irving]

I plan on watching from the sidelines just in case any intellectuals show up.

That you thought either of my comments were trolling is insulting, and a little too on the nose of my point. The fact that the comment came from me, and it was immediately swept under the rug as trolling or being woke is no surprise. Instant write off, zero effort to even engage in conversation.

If this thread somehow doesn't turn into a circle jerk of high-fiving the same old comments from a place of comfort, I'll be the first to speak up about it.

[buffalobo]

Or you could actually speak to the topic instead of avoiding it.

[buffalobo]

Irving, do the claimants have standing and do their complaints hold water?

If so, how?

[TheGrey]

I've been giving this a lot of thought, and discussed ideas with the spousal unit.

It feels more and more that there IS no system- none that actually exists in rules, forms, and protocols like we expect. The 'system' we see now is all about power- inch by inch, demand by demand, we see "authority figures" bowing and scraping to the shrieking tantrums thrown by useful idiots that think that by moving the goal posts, so they can keep everyone off their game. It's no longer about racism. It may never have been about racism. This is an election year, and every election year the stakes seem to go higher and higher and the impelled emergencies are more extreme.

This is just an opinion, of course. I'm very interested to see what everyone else thinks.

[buffalobo]

The system isn?t racist. The system is systemic. If the population magically flipped overnight, whites would be burning down, tagging, and rioting over the same shit.

If you don?t design points of flexibility into rigid systems, they will design themselves.So do the claimants have standing? Are their complaints legit?

[MrPrena]

I plan on watching from the sidelines just in case any intellectuals show up.

That you thought either of my comments were trolling is insulting, and a little too on the nose of my point. The fact that the comment came from me, and it was immediately swept under the rug as trolling or being woke is no surprise. Instant write off, zero effort to even engage in conversation.

If this thread somehow doesn't turn into a circle jerk of high-fiving the same old comments from a place of comfort, I'll be the first to speak up about it.


If you think that a bunch of white people are going to be able to figure out how the experiences of non-white people shape their perceptions, without the input of non-white people, prepare for disappointment.

I think best way to experience is to work at companies like Petronas in Malaysia, Nissan, Mitsubishi, or Santander. I think Petronas would be probably a BEST place to experience the racism for racism deniers.
American (regardless of color, gender, age, etc) working at Malaysia which muslim is primary religion. I assure them that even English Speaking country nationals (like NZ, AUS, Ireland, etc ) would see "american" different than what we think how they think of an American. I leanred that quick when i worked at German branch office for about 10 days.

I bet their citizens would beat the BITCH ASS FUCK out of em for wearing American flag shirt, or talking about Christian calling you Christo-fucks etc. Those racist denier would probably have to jump off of the Petronas building after facing that crap and have to live with it. (just like that dumbass who was assaulting a lady who was wearing Puerto Rico shirt for not being US citizen) [LOL]

Another good example (kinda similar) was Renault Chair getting arrested in Japan and held captive for year without trial. Frenchman got fucked, because Renualt-Nissan employee had little god damn coup d'?tat on their non-japanese boss.

Conclusion: If denier wanna face some racist shit, just work at rural Egypt for few years. :D

[MrPrena]

going back to the topic.

Simply if the controlling politics , money, and number of population shifts favors whatever minority is will change the entire dynamics.
Let's just say 100 of us went into "1 eye monster island" and there are 1mil of population of 1 eye humans. They control the $$. They control the politics, and population majority.
100 of us with 2eyes will be discriminated and not offered a good job regardless of education or experiences.


EDIT: in order to be fully economically efficient, it would be ideal to hire 2 eye people if they can work extremely well. Economics with discrimination.
Economic discrimination exists. Maybe those recent British immigrant PREFERS going to British Mechanics over mechanic which is closer to their house? They prefer seeing Union Jack posted at the shop over. Maybe that is PREMIUM they prefer paying over exact SAME SERVICE.

[Irving]

I have to pop back in and apologize for my remark about hoping intellectuals show up. That was pretty rude of me.

[MrPrena]

Speaking of Affirmative Action. I guess it was made to put more minority student into good schools. Now many minority student cannot go into school like Harvard due to Affirmative Action.


BTW (slightly off topic ,but same concept), I was looking for a new dentist about 2 years ago. I came up with this dentist, and I found out there are only FEMALE dentist/hygienist/Staffs. Still the same now.
ALL FEMALE, and NO MALE. (see photos).
I do NOT see this as a coincident at all.

https://www.appletreesmile.com/directions-120th-avenue/
https://www.appletreesmile.com/directions/

[TheGrey]

Speaking of Affirmative Action. I guess it was made to put more minority student into good schools. Now many minority student cannot go into school like Harvard due to Affirmative Action.


BTW (slightly off topic ,but same concept), I was looking for a new dentist about 2 years ago. I came up with this dentist, and I found out there are only FEMALE dentist/hygienist/Staffs. Still the same now.
ALL FEMALE, and NO MALE. (see photos).
I do NOT see this as a coincident at all.

https://www.appletreesmile.com/directions-120th-avenue/
https://www.appletreesmile.com/directions/

Well, my dentist is male, and the three dentists I had before this one were all male. I have seen an increase in female dentists over the years, but I wonder if there's something else at play here.

And when I was stationed in Berlin in the late 80s early 90s, the German military had no female soldiers. They snubbed every salute I gave, and would not speak to me if there were a male with me- they would only address him.

[MrPrena]

Well, my dentist is male, and the three dentists I had before this one were all male. I have seen an increase in female dentists over the years, but I wonder if there's something else at play here.

And when I was stationed in Berlin in the late 80s early 90s, the German military had no female soldiers. They snubbed every salute I gave, and would not speak to me if there were a male with me- they would only address him.

Yeah. I remember about decade ago. Some dental school and medical school were highly encouraging males to apply due to low number of male applicants.
To back up my theory, I should have seen how many dentist who live in Thornton and near. I should then see male to female dentist ratio to even scream foul. :)

[BREATHER]

I applied and took a Civil Service test for a large police department back east in about 1978. Placed 106th about of over 1600 people. Never got a call or an interview, just the letter on where I placed. In the 70's Affirmative Action was the battle cry of the "downtrodden". 40 years and WTF ?

[Bailey Guns]

I'm just going to drop this right here, it's a minority gentleman's view of "the system" and other topics.

**WARNING** Language and other potentially offensive comments within.

https://youtu.be/o5nwTkrp57Y


I'd like to have that guy as a neighbor. I found one of the comments after his video very appropriate.


When your country is so NON-racist people have to fake hate crimes.

[Bailey Guns]

I'd like to have that guy as a neighbor.

Most likely because he sounds and explains things just like I would. That guy could be me. I'll apologize now for my white privilege that makes me unable to comprehend "the struggle".

[FoxtArt]

Systematic racism? No. Systematic implies that there's a uniform blanket and that's akin to saying "all cops are bad" or "all blacks are criminals". Some courtrooms operate, to an extent, fine.

But you are all fooling yourself, if you think lady justice is EVER blind. When you walk into a courtroom, everything about you is going to influence the outcome of the case often times, more than your actual case ever can. Some of those factors you can control (how you dress, hygiene, hair color, etc.) others you cannot.

You'd be hard pressed to find a case where the judge didn't consciously or unconsciously influence the case in the direction they desire it to go. Usually that is not for reasons as broad as racism, but it often can be, and people forget in that context, it's usually not negative racism, e.g. it's not "I hate blacks", it's more of a context of "oh that kid seems nice!" (He reminds me of that boy at church that works so hard). The issue is, each and every person, no matter who they are, have significant learned biases. It's not something you "can't" have as we are genetically wired to survive that way. Things that hurt us, we dislike and avoid similar things... or people. If a party shows up that reminds the judge of say, their ex-wife, a brutal teacher, an asshole in high school, or a coworker that's always screwing off, that person is most likely fucked if their case is barely at the threshold of burdens. Or maybe they just hate the millennial generation because their grandson doesn't have a job and smokes weed. Or it's often inverted - maybe they are a white knight and think older women need protecting and generally can do no wrong. Or maybe the oldest generation faced so many hardships that they shouldn't have to hassle with a suit or a criminal case. Or maybe that woman is smoking hot and "seems nice".

No, it doesn't guarantee their loss, but if they aren't walking in with a bullet proof case these individual biases will always break the camels back. Sometimes that's in your favor, that doesn't make it right. And there are some judges too that do have a significant bias against blacks even if they're not aware of it. Same circumstances, same case, same priors, same judge, the white kid will get 6 months of probation because "he's got a strong future and I don't want to dampen his chances of becoming a productive member of society", while the black kid gets a 6 year sentence. That, however, is not systematic and I don't think the majority of judges operate that way. One factor that does dampen the black outcome in court is the simple factor that most judges do not have very many positive encounters with their peers to create many positive influences to that subtle case-by-case bias (e.g. it's unlikely that the individual will specifically remind them of anyone they like or respect, while it is more probable that a person of their same race will subtly remind them of someone they like, respect, or appreciate).

And that is one of the biggest issues with our judicial system. No matter how "humble" and "unbiased" a judge may think themselves, it is physically impossible to not be. Humans are hardcore wired to be judgmental sonsofbitches. I know if I was a judge, I'd practically have to recuse myself from any case involving an older blond woman, because my own experiences would make me want to bring the ban hammer down on a lot of them. At least I'm somewhat aware of my bias... I would tend to wish we had a panel of "professional" jurors sitting for every case instead of lone judges for any of them, as you're more likely to balance out those subtle biases that emerge on an individual basis. Broad biases, e.g. "BLACK LIVES" though are 99/100 times not the issue.

[Delfuego]

Anyway, there is systematic racism and institutional racism implemented, against whites in education, government etc. Affirmative action and all it's manifestations, diversity, multiculturalism etc.Poor whitey can't catch a break... [facepalm]

[newracer]

This was posted on another forum I frequent.


I have heard a constant complaint during the riots that the police are racially biased and that this is a long time, systemic problem.
The first thing that I don't understand is if it's systemic then what is the system? Aren't most, if not all, of the big city governments ran by Democrats? Aren't most considered liberal? Aren't they the ones hiring police chiefs and officers and setting police policy? Is that the "system" that's the problem? The Democrats have been running things in most cities for years yet who is the MSM/liberal establishment blaming for the "police problem"? Some guy who's only been in office for three years and never hired one policeperson.
The second thing is that many of these cities have black mayors or police chiefs or both. Why haven't these officials spoken up earlier? Weren't a lot of these people petitioning the federal government for more funds to hire more police just a few years ago?
Isn't the "police problem" really a symptom rather than the problem?

[Jumpstart]

Poor whitey can't catch a break... [facepalm]

If equality in government programs and hiring practices is not "catching a break" you are correct.

[Bailey Guns]

Poor whitey can't catch a break... [facepalm]

So predictable...

[Delfuego]

So predictable...You guys wanna act like victims, be my guest. Sorry I broke up your little echo chamber. Please continue telling us how tough you got it.

[Bailey Guns]

Discussing the realities of "the system", regardless of which side they benefit, hardly can be called playing "the victim". And any discussion of this has hardly been in an echo chamber, at least on this forum. There's been a myriad of opinions presented. But you're always the predictable one to come on board and say something nonsensical without any concern about really contributing to the conversation. You didn't disappoint. The only echo chamber is the one between your ears.

[clodhopper]

You guys wanna act like victims, be my guest. Sorry I broke up your little echo chamber. Please continue telling us how tough you got it.

I'm no victim. I really don't see that much of an issue with AAction. I understand how the rules are laid out, I can assess the situation and still get where I want to get to. What disappoints me is the people who have a leg up in most situations in life (AAction and other govt bennies) and still whine cause everyone else is racist and the man is holding them down. I choose not to give much relevance to the idea that because someone comes from a poor family, they are destined to be poor and it is everyone else's fault cause stuff happened over 100 years ago. There are lots and lots of successful people who came from nothing and did it by working hard and paying attention.

Yes, I absolutely agree that there are a smaller group of people (all colors) that really need the social program help. I honestly hope they are properly served. BUT, we have way too many whiners in our country and WAY too many politicians buying votes from them with handouts.

[FoxtArt]

[Roll1] There most certainly is an echo chamber here as there is most any place. That results from people being increasingly hostile from exposure to differing ideas, so they self segregate. Your reply, to be fair BG, is somewhat the antithesis of the point you're trying to make. While certainly there's sarcasm at play, he had a point in calling out a well received opinion that whites are the subjects of systematic racism, maybe he could have been less sarcastic, but then it all went downhill from there, and you're assisting in lowering the bar, so to speak.

Perspectives are differing, but clearly there is a favored "opinion" of this thread as has been pointed out by several. This is obviously not an intellectual discussion where differing perspectives are truly considered from their POV.

[Delfuego]

we have way too many whiners in our country and WAY too many politicians buying votes from them with handouts.I agree with this whole heatedly. Pandering to the poor can get a few votes and tugs on peoples heart-strings.

[Delfuego]

[Roll1] maybe he could have been less sarcastic, Sorry brother, it's wired in there :)

I feel that the reason are our country is slipping downhill is because nobody has empathy for anyone else. People seems to enjoy on the misfortune of others. I can't even recall how many threads have been started where people were happy a person or politician with an apposing viewpoint died and members here would be virtually dancing on their grave. We are supposed to all be Americans, we are on the same team. If you say anything different, people will call you names and turn of their hearing aides. We could not come together to save ourselves at this point. This forum is a microcosm of the greater problem. I wish we still talked about guns and shooting stuff around here...

[Bailey Guns]

I wish we still talked about guns and shooting stuff around here...

Lots of people mention Chicago...

[Jumpstart]

You guys wanna act like victims, be my guest. Sorry I broke up your little echo chamber. Please continue telling us how tough you got it.

I'm just looking for a little equal application of policy.

[BlasterBob]

.delfiego wound up saying “Iwish we still talked about guns and shooting stuff around here”.

Really not much of the gun and shooting talk here anymore. [blaster]

[VDW]

.delfiego wound up saying ?Iwish we still talked about guns and shooting stuff around here?.

Really not much of the gun and shooting talk here anymore. [blaster]

Just as in life, having a variety of threads, ideas, opinions, speech, etc., does not mean you have to participate in, agree with, or even like any or all of them. To the best of my knowledge the myriad of other ?gun shooting? threads haven?t been locked, and nothing requires one to even read a thread or post they aren?t interested in....or are they 🤔

Maybe the system IS rigged!

[Gman]

Poor whitey can't catch a break... [facepalm]

Perhaps you can offer some insight, rather than simply urinating in the communal watering hole?

You claim "echo chamber", yet you're in here too. Perhaps you can inform rather than throw rocks?

[Bailey Guns]

I already tried the logic (with a dash of smartass thrown in) route. Didn't work. Maybe you'll have better luck.

[TheGrey]

Sorry brother, it's wired in there :)

I feel that the reason are our country is slipping downhill is because nobody has empathy for anyone else. People seems to enjoy on the misfortune of others. I can't even recall how many threads have been started where people were happy a person or politician with an apposing viewpoint died and members here would be virtually dancing on their grave. We are supposed to all be Americans, we are on the same team. If you say anything different, people will call you names and turn of their hearing aides. We could not come together to save ourselves at this point. This forum is a microcosm of the greater problem. I wish we still talked about guns and shooting stuff around here...

There are 14+ threads filled with sub-forums that talk about guns and shooting stuff. And you are welcome to start more- to include threads that make people recall that we are all Americans on the same team.

[Aloha_Shooter]

BTW (slightly off topic ,but same concept), I was looking for a new dentist about 2 years ago. I came up with this dentist, and I found out there are only FEMALE dentist/hygienist/Staffs. Still the same now.
ALL FEMALE, and NO MALE. (see photos).
I do NOT see this as a coincident at all.

https://www.appletreesmile.com/directions-120th-avenue/
https://www.appletreesmile.com/directions/

Standard self-selection bias. I don't know of any men who are interested in a career as a dental hygienist. Guys who are interested in having their hands in someone else's mouth generally want to be the dentist, not the hygienist. Meanwhile, it's still a profession that offers decent pay so women who didn't want to take the classes necessary to become a dentist (and more ARE) can still become a hygienist. Smaller, thinner fingers are an asset in this work (as in many other lines of work -- the magnetic core memory for the Apollo spacecraft were built by women for this very reason).

There's a difference between individual racism and systemic racism as alleged by the cretins tearing down monuments (including monuments to black Union soldiers and others who fought against the South).

[MrPrena]

I know it makes total sense, but not even DMD/DDS past 3 years.
I will probably check around November this year while waiting for my kids' pediatric office. It is right next to my kids primary office.

[roberth]

The United States is one of the least racist countries on the planet, maybe the least. For instance, why would people from sub-saharan Africa want to risk their lives to come here if this country is so racist? If you're like me you're hoping they are coming here for the opportunity to improve their lives, work hard, and make a good home for their families. If you're like me you see the reality, many of them just want to get on the welfare system and live in a nice place with heat and A/C instead of a mud hut.


I keep hearing how "the system is racist" and "systemic racism"

Not sure what the system is and what it does so have no insight as to it's prejudice.

Let's hear the myriad of explanations of the system and how it might be racist.

I too fail to understand how those claims can be made but then I'm not a criminal or an asshole that thinks I should be allowed to run amok.

Most of the "systemic racism" talk is centered around young, black, males that get involved with the police, the courts, and the prison system. Should we have a discussion on root cause?

"Systemic racism" is just another phrase for "I want to do what I want and I shouldn't be held liable for my own actions no matter what the negative impact is on another party". This mantra applies to members of all 3 races, Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid. There is a rapidly growing lack of personal responsibility in this country, should we discuss that too?

The system isn't racist, the system is the citizenry which is made up of persons from each race. Citizens are judging an individual based on their behavior, not their race as the race-baiters would have us believe. Those people whose behavior is objectionable get negative attention from citizens through law enforcement, the courts, and the prison system. That isn't racism, that is our system applying responsibility to the person that committed the objectionable behavior.

[ray1970]

The United States is one of the least racist countries on the planet, maybe the least.

Well, it looks like someone hasn?t spent much time in Texas or Louisiana or Mississippi or Alabama or Georgia or just about any state in the south.

If I had to vote for the country with the least amount of racism I don?t think the US would break into the top five.

[Jumpstart]

Well, it looks like someone hasn?t spent much time in Texas or Louisiana or Mississippi or Alabama or Georgia or just about any state in the south.

If I had to vote for the country with the least amount of racism I don?t think the US would break into the top five.

So what is your top five?

[Bailey Guns]

Well, it looks like someone hasn?t spent much time in Texas or Louisiana or Mississippi or Alabama or Georgia or just about any state in the south.

If I had to vote for the country with the least amount of racism I don?t think the US would break into the top five.


I don't think the country as a whole is a "racist" country. I think there's plenty of racist people in the US. But I don't believe whites are the biggest offenders.

[MrPrena]

So what is your top five?

Question was not for me but...


We need to have limits. I am going to start with countries with 100m or more populations.

I mean if a non catholic who might live in Vatican will get discriminated. Anyone in Sam Marino who is not native might get (age sex race etc) will give distance.

My guess is countries with no diversity and have strict legal immigration policies.

Then also countries near south Africa during 70s were bad. ,(but falls under 100m)

China- over 56 ethnic groups live there and they so not treat some people with different ethnic group the same.
Look at west and south west provinces. They are treated as 2nd class citizen.


US- mainly good but there are some shares of racist-retardism going on here.

India- many violence towards Muslim minorities.

Japan - similar to US. There are small % of people who are those crazy racist-war loving-samurai-antiforeigner group who thinks they are superior.

Besides media, I try to listen to some people who have lived in those countries for years.

Etc etc.

[Bailey Guns]

I lived in Japan for 4 years. It was obvious to me then the Japanese were very racist...but kind of in a subdued way. Especially to other Asians.

[hollohas]

Then also countries near south Africa during 70s were bad. ,(but falls under 100m)



South Africa is still horribly racist, but it's gone full circle. The present government is actively and openly racist against whites (and other non-white foreign Africans) and is busy making horrendously discriminatory policies...ex: expropriation without compensation.

That country has struggled with deep racism by all parties for centuries.

[Bailey Guns]

I feel a chastising coming on for playing the white victimhood card...

[ray1970]

So what is your top five?

I haven?t given it much thought and zero research but I?m sure places like Canada, Finland, Denmark, Great Britain, Norway, Sweden, etc. probably fit in the top part of the list.

[roberth]

Well, it looks like someone hasn?t spent much time in Texas or Louisiana or Mississippi or Alabama or Georgia or just about any state in the south.

If I had to vote for the country with the least amount of racism I don?t think the US would break into the top five.

True, I haven't been to any of those states. My comment reflects my own experiences and the immigration of non-Caucasoid people to the United States.

[MrPrena]

I usually draw ignorant line at about 1995ish where there are limited internet's available at that time and beyond.

Prior to that, it was from encyclopedias, library,tv, and word of mouth that how other people from certain countries were like.

Now we have internet and many information of all sort.

I understand some turds from certain areas of poverty place might have taken them longer to find out this and that. That excuse card (I have no $ for AOL dialup to look up mexico, Estonia, etc) is old, because there are low income subsidy for internet use now.

One level stupider than ignorant is just pure hate.
Good example I've heard was:
"I am Armenian and I hate Turkish Muslims because they killed my people because we are christians."

Yes. Healing take longer time and also time of healing gets much shorter if apology is done faster.

Another one someone mentioned was education.
Just teach the history. Do not put your personal opinion SUCH AS how radical Israelis beat the shit out of reverand/pastor who visited Israel. That is not a world history.

[Gman]

There are many cultures that have really deep and pervasive race/class/ethnicity divides. China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China) has real issues between different regions/languages and even accents (people of Hong Kong can even tell when a mainlander is speaking Cantonese and have bias against them). Same goes for India (https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/More-than-one-India-Racism). In many parts of Asia and Africa, those with lighter colored skin are held in higher regard (hence cosmetic companies selling skin lighteners). Mexico (https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/370569-mexicans-admit-theyre-racist-if-only-we-could) sees friction between those from native Aztec ancestry vs. Spanish.

The US is very conscious of racism and has made great progress in avoiding it.

Most Racist Countries 2020: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-racist-countries

[Jumpstart]

I haven?t given it much thought and zero research but I?m sure places like Canada, Finland, Denmark, Great Britain, Norway, Sweden, etc. probably fit in the top part of the list.

All historically white nations, interesting. But none of them have ever elected a black president with a Musilim name before.

[MrPrena]

There are many cultures that have really deep and pervasive race/class/ethnicity divides. China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China) has real issues between different regions/languages and even accents (people of Hong Kong can even tell when a mainlander is speaking Cantonese and have bias against them). Same goes for India (https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/More-than-one-India-Racism). In many parts of Asia and Africa, those with lighter colored skin are held in higher regard (hence cosmetic companies selling skin lighteners). Mexico (https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/370569-mexicans-admit-theyre-racist-if-only-we-could) sees friction between those from native Aztec ancestry vs. Spanish.

The US is very conscious of racism and has made great progress in avoiding it.

Most Racist Countries 2020: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-racist-countries

Yeah, the skin color being darker and lighter in many countries are usually not because of race, but class back then.
Back before even people know other races before, peasants, farmers, bauers, (whatever some calls it) worked at a farm field, and they were seeing lower working classes historically.
However, thanks to the sports GOLF, usually higher tan (darker skin)= much more time to play golf a a private club. [LOL]

[Zundfolge]

Regardless of how racist the US is or is not, the entire idea that racism is a bad thing that we should work to eliminate is pretty much an American (and British) construct.

[Jumpstart]

Regardless of how racist the US is or is not, the entire idea that racism is a bad thing that we should work to eliminate is pretty much an American (and British) construct.

A communist American construct about 30 years in the making.

[roberth]

A communist American construct about 30 years in the making.

Yes, that is who is behind all of this, otherwise known as democrats.

[roberth]

So I see a couple of black kids were killed in the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone.

Where is the outrage or were they martyrs for "the cause".

Like everything else the communists do, it's only an "outrage" if someone they don't like kills a black kid, BLM and Antifa killing black kids is just fine.

https://www.libertynation.com/welcome-to-chaz-antifa-and-blm-push-new-segregation-era/


Antifa and Black Lives Matter have taken over a six-city block area in Seattle and declared it a new country. The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) is barricaded by protesters and has issued a list of demands. Perhaps not surprisingly for two organizations obsessed with all things race-related, their key platform includes, among other things, segregation.

Democrats blame others for the things they themselves are doing....always and forever. If you vote (D) then you're in this boat, I hope it sinks and you all drown in your lies, platitudes, and hypocrisy.

[roberth]

Still NOTHING about the 2 black kids murdered by Antifa and BLM.

And nothing from our resident BLM and Antifa supporters either..... Imagine that.

[Zundfolge]

Still NOTHING about the 2 black kids murdered by Antifa and BLM.

And nothing from our resident BLM and Antifa supporters either..... Imagine that.

Its almost as though this whole thing is not actually about solving real racism.

[Great-Kazoo]

Its almost as though this whole thing is not actually about solving real racism.

Now all we need is 60%+ of the population to realize that Hopefully 70% if not more, come november

[Irving]

Still NOTHING about the 2 black kids murdered by Antifa and BLM.

And nothing from our resident BLM and Antifa supporters either..... Imagine that.

Who are the BLM and Antifa supporters?

Actually, don't answer. I want to enjoy my weekend

[OneGuy67]

I haven?t given it much thought and zero research but I?m sure places like Canada, Finland, Denmark, Great Britain, Norway, Sweden, etc. probably fit in the top part of the list.

Having lived in Germany for a couple of years, I can say definitively that there is a large bias against anyone who has immigrated into the western European countries from outside. During my time there, is was a large bias against the Turkish who immigrated and now, it is primarily against those from the Middle East. Don't kid yourself into thinking that the people of the U.K., Finland, Denmark, Norway or Sweden are opening their arms and embracing all the immigrants moving there and becoming one big happy family.

[roberth]

Officer Tatum - This guy is great - video covers a few topics


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7-UxtxQNaM

[MrPrena]

Initial protest was about justice for the MN George. Then all the rioters showed up then looters (just like LA riot during 92).
Then those mixtures of angry activists of antifa , jackets* , etc showed up and did a mashups.

Now the riot is about everything.


* I call those combo of income inequality stuff people yellow jackets or 99% or 3%ers whatever the fuck it is.

[Jumpstart]

Who are the BLM and Antifa supporters?

Actually, don't answer. I want to enjoy my weekend

How about you tell us?

[Irving]

How about you tell us?

I don't make accusations I'm not willing to back up.

[Jumpstart]

I don't make accusations I'm not willing to back up.
Wasn't a solicitation of an accusation, just a solicitation of your opinion based on your rhetorical question.

[Irving]

I don't think we have any Antifa supporters on here.

[Jumpstart]

I don't think we have any Antifa supporters on here.
How about BLM?

[BushMasterBoy]

Nothing more boring than forum members attacking each other.

[Irving]

How about BLM?

The sentence? Sure. The Marxist movement? Doubtful.

[Jumpstart]

The sentence? Sure. The Marxist movement? Doubtful.
The sentence and the Marxist movement are one and the same.

[SideShow Bob]

How about BLM?

I am anti BLM, Yes,

The Bureau of Land Management is a racist organization who’s only purpose is oppress the red man, take his land and give it to whites......

[Zundfolge]

I am anti BLM, Yes,

The Bureau of Land Management is a racist organization who’s only purpose is oppress the red man, take his land and give it to whites......

Or destroy ranchers business and run them off their land.