View Full Version : LEO friendliness of signing papers
whitewalrus
11-29-2009, 10:26
I know I am curious, as well as others might be, about how friendly the Sheriffs are about signing off on Suppressors and SBR's, etc. I am sure that some might be more apt to sign off on one item over another.
Does anybody know about El Paso County? Feel free to post others in here as well, might serve everybody's needs.
Sheriff Maketa (El Paso) is very friendly.
I have had several Form 4s and 1s signed and ready for me to pickup within a day.
RYAN50BMG
11-29-2009, 21:17
El Paso Co. Sheriff will sign, but DO NOT put "because chicks dig it" on the back for the reason you need it.
El Paso Co. Sheriff will sign, but DO NOT put "because chicks dig it" on the back for the reason you need it.
Now that is some funny shit [Beer]
Ranger353
12-01-2009, 11:32
El Paso Co. Sheriff will sign, but DO NOT put "because chicks dig it" on the back for the reason you need it.
That is funny. But, what would you list as a reason for wanting a SBR AR? "Because I can" might not be valid enough.
What a bunch of bullshit. You can write reasons like that when you send your papers to the feds. I've seen approved forms for "zombies" and all kinds of crap. It's legal, you shouldn't need a reason.
The safest thing is to just write, "All legal purposes."
But, what would you list as a reason for wanting a SBR AR?
Military Arms Collection for everything related to guns.
Noise Suppression While Shooting for cans.
whitewalrus
12-01-2009, 15:34
Military Arms Collection for everything related to guns.
Noise Suppression While Shooting for cans.
Hoser, thanks for the info, been tossing the idea back and forth. Would love to pick up a SBR and a can or two. I was thinking a generic reason would be the best way to go on the form.
Ryan, was "chicks dig it" your reason? :)
Strutle, I think as long as the reason is semireasonable and not: "Need to do a driveby without waking neighbors" they will probably approve it. I would think that the reason is more for the LEO signing it.
I guess since I live in Jeffco where I don't think you can get a LEO sign off anyway, I shouldn't really worry about it.
RYAN50BMG
12-01-2009, 20:27
Yep, I put " because chicks dig it" -----because they DO!!!---- on a form 4 (can) and the SO kicked it back. It was pretty funny when I went down to get the forms from the gal that handles that stuff. Put in new forms with a different reason, no problems. Go with what Hoser said.
Those gals seem to have pretty good attitudes..........I would've loved to see the looks on their faces though after reading the "because chicks dig it" reason.
whitewalrus
12-02-2009, 11:33
Yep, I put " because chicks dig it" -----because they DO!!!---- on a form 4 (can) and the SO kicked it back. It was pretty funny when I went down to get the forms from the gal that handles that stuff. Put in new forms with a different reason, no problems. Go with what Hoser said.
That's pretty damn funny, Ryan. When I got my CWP, the ladies in the office all had good attitudes.
How long have people been waiting to get an answer from the ATF?
How long have people been waiting to get an answer from the ATF?
3-4 months lately.
BPTactical
12-09-2009, 23:13
The only Municipality that is a PITA that I have been aware of is Arapahoe County. He wont sign for any reason from what I have been told.
Why not just skip the sign off and form a trust?
DuckTape&550Cord
01-13-2010, 18:26
Does anyone have any experience in Boulder County? I'm looking to build an SBR and want to try the LEO sign off before having to create a trust.
Have you tried calling and asking them? That's what I plan to do when I'm ready.
USMC88-93
01-13-2010, 19:49
I guess since I live in Jeffco where I don't think you can get a LEO sign off anyway, I shouldn't really worry about it.
Sheriff Mink will sign off in Jeffco. I know this for a fact as I have the stamps to prove it.
DuckTape&550Cord
01-13-2010, 21:22
Have you tried calling and asking them? That's what I plan to do when I'm ready.
I never thought of that, that would save me and them alot of time. Anyone here have NFA weapon in Boulder County? I'm just curious of what my chances may be.
Sheriff Mink will sign off in Jeffco. I know this for a fact as I have the stamps to prove it.
No shit? That's awesome. I lived almost my whole life in Jeffco, and still work there. I forgot that I actually live in Adams county now though.
cowboykjohnson
01-19-2010, 16:04
Just dropped mine off in boulder county they said they would call me when it's signed. He is in boulder but he's an honest man.
mrfish83
01-29-2010, 12:21
I enquired with Sheriff Robinson (Arapahoe), he said he looks at each form on a case by case basis.
Anyone have any success in Arapahoe?
brass-meister
02-02-2010, 19:45
Does anyone have any experience in Boulder County? I'm looking to build an SBR and want to try the LEO sign off before having to create a trust.
My experience with Boulder County was great. Sheriff Pelle signed off in 72 hours for my Spectre suppressor. That was over a year ago, though.
Reason for transfer was for "personal collection" zipped right through cleo sign off and BATFE (3 and a half months back then)
patrick0685
02-12-2010, 23:02
Has anyone had any luck in Arapahoe County yet? Im moving there next month from Douglas county. Should i get my SBR started in Douglas or what? thanks guys
ZombieKiller25
02-15-2010, 16:13
I know the Monument Chief will sign off on them
I just asked about this in Adams county on Friday. The guy said that unless you were a cop or had a really good reason the sheriff wouldn't sign off. I didn't argue with him and ask why it being perfectly legal wasn't a good enough reason.
DuckTape&550Cord
02-15-2010, 18:05
I just asked about this in Adams county on Friday. The guy said that unless you were a cop or had a really good reason the sheriff wouldn't sign off. I didn't argue with him and ask why it being perfectly legal wasn't a good enough reason.
I guess they have no idea that you can always take the trust route. Such a waste of red tape to acquire these items legally.[Bang]
Yeah, I basically said, "Okay, no big deal I guess." I didn't want to make a stink, as I was applying for my CCW.
Vitesse304
02-15-2010, 22:46
Grand County Sheriff will sign no problem...
Limited GM
02-20-2010, 23:56
Anyone know about Larimer? If not Ill be finding out.....
cowboykjohnson
02-22-2010, 16:20
Anyone know about Larimer? If not Ill be finding out.....
The guys at Jensens told me it was no problem.
ThunderSquirrel
05-03-2010, 07:39
I dropped my form 1 off with Arapahoe County 3 weeks ago. Haven't heard a peep from them yet.
The lady at the front desk was real nice, but didn't seem to know what a form 1 was. She kept telling me they only taken CCW applications on certain days. She made a phone call, talked to someone, and told me I had to leave the forms with her and she would forward them to the Sgt. of the Public Safety Bureau. The Sgt. reviews the form, decides whether or not to give it to the Sheriff, who then reviews the form and decides whether or not to sign it. No time frame, and the Sgt. has been unreachable so far.
We'll see what happens...
Meanwhile, anyone use a local Lawyer to set up a trust and have a number for them?
I dropped my form 1 off with Arapahoe County 3 weeks ago. Haven't heard a peep from them yet.
I dropped my form 1s off with the Arapahoe Co. Sheriff many many months ago and despite repeated attempts, have never heard anything back. At this point, I am days away from approval with my form 1s on a trust at this point (at least according to the averages for my examiner).
I read somewhere (probably here or arfcom) that the current Arapahoe Sheriff has only approved 2 NFA forms in his entire lifetime, and one was for a non-firing gun.
Start on the trust.
ThunderSquirrel
05-10-2010, 12:22
I actually heard back from the Sgt. at Arapahoe on Friday.
He informed me that the background check on me had cleared and that the paperwork is, and I quote, 'Sitting on the Sheriff's desk as of this (Friday) morning.' But told me not to expect a quick turnaround, as the Sheriff reviews them when he feels necessary.
So, trust route it is, since I do not expect him to sign off on the form. And the 'indefinite' time frame really bugs me. [Rant1]
mrfish83
05-13-2010, 08:55
Arapahoe Sheriff Robinson is a level-headed person. I suggest giving him a call and checking/discussing your application... his number is on the Arapahoe Sheriff's website. When I contacted him regarding NFA items, his response was "I treat each application on a one by one basis, feel free to contact me". Good luck. I haven't submited any paperwork yet.
UNFmoose
05-18-2010, 09:54
Anyone here live in Montrose County? I have heard the sheriff won't sign off on form 1. My question is about the CLEO. If the sheriff won't, can you go to the chief of police if he will? I have been reading and it seems that I keep finding that the CLEO can be the sheriff, chief of police, or DA. Am I right on this assumption? That being said, I emailed the sheriff last week and am waiting to see if he replies. Thanks guys.
ChunkyMonkey
05-18-2010, 16:16
My in laws are in Ouray, and their sheriff has been REAL gun friendly - Just a county away [Tooth]
UNFmoose
05-19-2010, 09:13
I have been thinking about trying to move to Ridgway...
Anyone know about Larimer? If not Ill be finding out.....
Alderden is good people. He will sign. Better hurry though.
Boulder County Sherrif had it back to me in about 2 weeks.
how about Broomfield? anyone have past experiences?
bellavite1
10-10-2010, 17:31
Got mine signed in Jeffco in a week and a half![Beer]
For anyone in Weld County, Sheriff Cooke would probably sign off. He is all for concealed carry. Only took me a month to obtain my CCW. And I know some people here with suppressors.
blacklions
10-22-2010, 02:16
Denver/denver county? Should I even try or just create a trust?
I was told by two dealers that you can't get a sign off in Denver. I went with a trust.
ThunderSquirrel
10-22-2010, 15:53
A friend of my Fathers worked for Denver County Sheriff for 20 some years and from what he's told me they'll accept the application, but do not expect to ever hear back from them. It gets 'lost'
blacklions
10-25-2010, 03:22
A friend of my Fathers worked for Denver County Sheriff for 20 some years and from what he's told me they'll accept the application, but do not expect to ever hear back from them. It gets 'lost'
Great! Guess "trust route" it is... Although they were pretty quick with the ccw.
Thanks guys.
ThunderSquirrel
10-27-2010, 08:09
I received a call yesterday from the Arapahoe County Sheriffs Office about the Form I dropped off back in April...
And after a very long and frustrating wait... (drumroll)....
.... The Special Investigations Sgt who 'handled' my form told me that Sheriff Robinson has a 'Will Not Sign' Policy. Not sure why it took 6 months for them to figure that out... but oh well. Already have my Trust set up anyways.
kidicarus13
10-30-2010, 22:46
After reading your last post ThunderSquirrel I voted early on Friday and chose to adopt a will-not-vote-for-Sheriff-Robinson policy, republican or not.
MuzzleFlash
10-31-2010, 13:13
After reading your last post ThunderSquirrel I voted early on Friday and chose to adopt a will-not-vote-for-Sheriff-Robinson policy, republican or not.
Next time he is up for election, go participate in your Republican caucus. I've been elected three times to represent my precinct at the Jeffco convention. Basically I got elected because I'm breathing and am willing to take the time to go there and give up a good chunk of a summer Saturday.
More so than at any time in the election process, they need to schmooze and beg for your support. Sheriff Stone in Jeffco wouldn't sign so I went to the caucus to get a chance to take him down. He decided not to run after the Jeffco establishment made it clear he was a political persona non grata. Golden PD chief (and closet alcoholic apparently) Russ Cook had a reputation for not signing and was favored in a three way race for the Sheriff nomination.
At the Jeffco convention, I blindsided him in front of several delegates before the meeting was called to order. I asked about his support for 2A. After he gave me a prepackaged rah-rah answer, I explained very briefly the ATF form process to the fellow delegates and asked if he would continue Stone's anti-2A policy. I extracted a commitment that he would sign but I voted for Wyatt instead because despite his issues, he was clearly the most pro-2A candidate. Cook went on to win and I have 2 Forms 4 with his signature on it. One was held up a couple of weeks while he was in detox. Seriously.
Sheriff Mink is good people and has done a fantastic job of restoring the Jeffco Sheriff's Department's reputation. He will sign in spite of being burned by someone that apparently straw purchased some cans for her prohibited BF. I've met with Mink at subsequent conventions and attended some of his folksy fund raisers. Bottom line, the sheriff's office is a political one and the best way to deal with an occupant who is anti-2A is to get involved politically when you have the greatest leverage.
cfiore99
01-17-2011, 20:17
Anyone know if Sheriff Hilkey in Mesa County will sign off?
Thanks!
DeadElephant
01-18-2011, 18:06
I do know people that Robinson has signed for in Arapahoe. (several times)
They are active instructors, ex LEO and members of the Colorado Law Enforcement Instructors Association.
Grayson may be selective but he doesn't refuse everyone.
I dropped off my paper work at Larimer SO on the 25th and was called this morning and told is was signed and ready to go.
Got mine signed in Jeffco in a week and a half![Beer]
Thats great to hear about Mink signing the forms. What was your listed reason for the transfer?
COemtbuddy
02-14-2011, 13:09
I turned In my C&R paperwork into Adams county today. I decided to ask a few questions. The lady at the front desk states that sheriff Darr very rarely sign off on silencers. Usually only does for current law enforcement officers, but will on a case by case basis for collectors. I asked if I could schedule a face to face meeting with him and she gave me the number to his secretary. I will update you guys after I talk to Darr.
Pinkerton
02-21-2011, 09:33
Sheriff Pelle in Boulder has been very good about signing.
Pinkerton OUT!
For anyone in Weld County, Sheriff Cooke would probably sign off. He is all for concealed carry. Only took me a month to obtain my CCW. And I know some people here with suppressors.
Sheriff Cooke is awesome and is very firearms friendly! He has no problem signing off on stuff.
I just dropped off a form 4 this morning to the El Paso County Sheriff's Dept and they now require you to fill out a form specifically for the Sheriff's Dept and I was told it could take up to two weeks to for my Form 4s to be returned signed.
Fredmisery
03-12-2011, 20:54
Military Arms Collection for everything related to guns.
Noise Suppression While Shooting for cans.
This
Fredmisery
03-12-2011, 20:57
I just dropped off a form 4 this morning to the El Paso County Sheriff's Dept and they now require you to fill out a form specifically for the Sheriff's Dept and I was told it could take up to two weeks to for my Form 4s to be returned signed.
He started doing that a couple years ago, I ran out of room on his forms, but the good news is I've never had any issues getting his signature. 2 wks is nothing compared to the wait from ATF, especially the past 2 years or so
MuzzleFlash
03-13-2011, 19:12
Thats great to hear about Mink signing the forms. What was your listed reason for the transfer?
All lawful purposes for mine - but that was a few years back.
lead_magnet
05-20-2011, 15:36
Las Animas County Sheriff will sign as will the Trinidad Chief of Police
Took a week for the Westminster Police chief to sign...
with my PD business card paperclipped to the form 4. [Tooth]
how about Broomfield? anyone have past experiences?
Shouldn't be a problem. Tom Deland is quite an agreeable fellow.
Took a week for the Westminster Police chief to sign...
with my PD business card paperclipped to the form 4. [Tooth]
You don't have to go to county to get one signed? You can just do city?
You don't have to go to county to get one signed? You can just do city?
Yep. Under law enforcement certification on the form 4, the ATF allows for the chief of police or his signatory, of a city or town.
Or the Sheriff.
Or the Colonel of the CSP.
Or a State or Local district attorney
Or any one else declared a BAMF by the BATFE. :)
That's interesting, because I know that the Adams Sheriff won't sign. Not for me anyway.
That's interesting, because I know that the Adams Sheriff won't sign. Not for me anyway.
Give the Westy chief a chance. Took him about a week for me, but I'm a metro area LEO. His handlers walked it to his office and called when it was ready. I never talked to him.
You could also call Don Quick at the 17th JD.
Good luck.
Thanks, but I think I'll just do a trust.
dogtired
06-07-2011, 08:41
FAQ from ATF
Q: Is the chief law enforcement officer required to sign the law enforcement certification on ATF Form 1 or ATF Form 4?
No, law enforcement officers can be compelled to sign the law enforcement certification under Federal or State law. However, ATF will not approve an application to make or transfer a firearm on ATF Forms 1 or 4 unless the law enforcement certification is completed by an acceptable law enforcement official who has signed the certification in the space indicated on the form. See “What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?” for more information.
Q: What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?
As provided by regulations, certifications by the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable. The regulations also provide that certifications of other officials are appropriate if found in a particular case to be acceptable to the Director. Examples of other officials who have been accepted in specific situations include State attorneys general and judges of State courts having authority to conduct jury trials in felony cases.
[27 CFR 479.63 and 479.85]
Just thought I'd throw in my .02 I live in Ouray and had my form 4 and finger prints done while I waited. Jr is a good guy.
Update... the Sheriff has changed his stance. I am having to do a trust for additional items. I have not even been able to talk face to face with him. I heard second hand that he would not sigh the other forms for me. I was told "in light of what has happened" (the Aurora incident) he would not sigh. MAYBE in a month is what the gal said to me.
New update!!! The sheriff has changed his stance. He will NOT sign off on anymore forms.
...what would you list as a reason for wanting a SBR AR?
Old question I know, but for the record what I state...
Firearms: "Collection and recreation"
Silencers: "Hearing protection and recreation"
Any reasonable, boring and bland answer is good. This question simply gives you some rope which allows you to hang yourself. Don't.
O2
Ps. Yes, it's a stupid question. Yes, it shouldn't be asked. But at this point in time you have to answer it, so do so wisely.
Again, old question but for the record (and to help everyone else out). For all my forms I put:
"Investment, collection, and any other lawful purpose."
I just dropped off my forms today in colorado springs, I'll let you know what happens.
You will get a call in 10 days saying come on down and pick 'em up. Colo Springs is easy easy..
Mattallen0506
07-06-2012, 23:46
Does anyone have experience with larimer county?
Sheriff Maketa (El Paso) is very friendly.
I have had several Form 4s and 1s signed and ready for me to pickup within a day.
Not my experience.
First time, it took them 2 weeks to approve my application, and they made me go to the Police Department for fingerprints- waiting with criminals, sex offenders, and druggies.
Second time, it took them 2 weeks to tell me that my paperwork was not in order. They made me fill out an "Addendum" that demanded to know all form 1 and form 4 items in my posession (none of their business). Now, another week later, no word from the office. I've already made 3 trips to the Sheriff's office, which is 30 minutes from my house, for this application. I just called them, aparently the Sheriff is out of town this week, but I might have it by Friday (3 weeks). :/
Great-Kazoo
07-18-2012, 15:15
Does anyone have experience with larimer county?
Larimer is GTG
You will get a call in 10 days saying come on down and pick 'em up. Colo Springs is easy easy..
You consider 10 days easy?? Weld cty is a 24hr turn around. there have been times Sheriff Cooke and i BS'd while he signed off.
Just a follow-up for anyone who cares.
Documents signed: 7/2/2012
Documents taken to Sheriff: 7/2/2012
Addendum provided to Sheriff: 7/16/2012
(I think they put at the back of the line)
Received from Sheriff: 7/31/2012
So yeah, they took 2 weeks to tell me they needed an addendum filled out, and then put it at the back of the line. So I ended up driving across town 3 times for LEO sign-off. For being "friendly", I am quite upset they ate up a MONTH of my time. I would gladly pay a small "service fee" if it meant getting it done faster.
hghclsswhitetrsh
08-02-2012, 08:54
Be thankful that your sheriff will sign off. Doug Darr won't sign off for upstanding law abiding citizens. Yet I spoke with a LEO in Denver yesterday who lives in Adams county hats going to get signed off for a cam for his rem700 today.
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