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hurley842002
08-15-2020, 16:44
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-prompts-record-colorado-home-sales?cmpid=FNC_app
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Just great.
What's the over/under on conservative vs libtard?
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 17:23
Just my opinion, but any thinking conservative isn't going to move to Colorado outside of a job they can't refuse, family or something equally important. They're going elsewhere.
Martinjmpr
08-15-2020, 17:35
WRT politics, my guess is that for most people, that is somewhere near the bottom of their list of reasons for moving to a particular state. Job, family, recreational pursuits, etc, are more likely to play a much larger role.
Just my opinion, but any thinking conservative isn't going to move to Colorado outside of a job they can't refuse, family or something equally important. They're going elsewhere.
Explain, because what you said doesn't make sense.
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 18:06
I was responding to Brutal's post and maybe I interpreted the meaning wrong. Why would someone leave the politics of CA to move to CO, which has pretty much the politics of CA? So, unless it was for a job or family or some other compelling reason, if it was a conservative leaving NY or CA why would they go to very, very blue CO? I think it makes perfect sense. And I've moved twice in the last 5 years from CO to conservative states.
Where is our member NYNCO?
(3rd same question within 12mo period)
I guess if someone is already in the unfortunate position to let politics determine their life, and they are already fleeing from one place cause "liberals," then they likely wouldn't go to another liberal place.
That is pretty much the description of a loser though and I'd like to think that most people aren't making such poor life decisions. I'm probably overly optimistic though.
I had that response chalked up and am not trying to intentionally insinuate that you are a loser; since you brought up moving to conservative places. Just for the record.
I've been saying for years now that CA is (very) slowly taking it's rights back and Colorado is more rapidly giving them all away election by election. The latest example was CA overturning the high capacity bans in CA and Co passed red flag laws. I just hope that those in CA are terrified beyond thinking logically and are trying to sell their property for whatever they can get for them to move here. The macro of this is property values decreasing in CA and increasing here in CO so that I can sell my house for all the money and then relocate to a freer CA that has far better weather year 'round. That's the dream anyway. May take a few decades but I'm playing the long game. lol
Maybe they'll bring back mountain lion hunting.
Great-Kazoo
08-15-2020, 18:45
I was responding to Brutal's post and maybe I interpreted the meaning wrong. Why would someone leave the politics of CA to move to CO, which has pretty much the politics of CA? So, unless it was for a job or family or some other compelling reason, if it was a conservative leaving NY or CA why would they go to very, very blue CO? I think it makes perfect sense. And I've moved twice in the last 5 years from CO to conservative states.
Even with (to us) CO being a blue state. There are plenty of east & west coast "R's" would would jump at the chance to move to CO. Why? Taxes, vehicle registrations,
MAY CAUSE CANCER warnings on everything that's on shelves in CA, etc
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 18:56
Even with (to us) CO being a blue state. There are plenty of east & west coast "R's" would would jump at the chance to move to CO. Why? Taxes, vehicle registrations,
MAY CAUSE CANCER warnings on everything that's on shelves in CA, etc
Taxes and vehicle registrations? Really? A new truck costs about $1k to register in CO and property taxes are gonna be thru the roof with new property valuations in the next few years. I suppose someone could think of many reasons to move to CO, but it doesn't seem like that would be taxes and veh registrations would be high on the list. And those cancer warnings are on just about everything, in and out of CA.
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 18:57
I've been saying for years now that CA is (very) slowly taking it's rights back and Colorado is more rapidly giving them all away election by election. The latest example was CA overturning the high capacity bans in CA and Co passed red flag laws. I just hope that those in CA are terrified beyond thinking logically and are trying to sell their property for whatever they can get for them to move here. The macro of this is property values decreasing in CA and increasing here in CO so that I can sell my house for all the money and then relocate to a freer CA that has far better weather year 'round. That's the dream anyway. May take a few decades but I'm playing the long game. lol
Now THAT is optimistic!
buffalobo
08-15-2020, 19:17
I guess if someone is already in the unfortunate position to let politics determine their life, and they are already fleeing from one place cause "liberals," then they likely wouldn't go to another liberal place.
That is pretty much the description of a loser though and I'd like to think that most people aren't making such poor life decisions. I'm probably overly optimistic though.
I had that response chalked up and am not trying to intentionally insinuate that you are a loser; since you brought up moving to conservative places. Just for the record.It's not about the politics specifically. Its about the type society created by the dominate political movement.
Why would a "conservative" not leave a shithole like Chicago, where the entitlement/no personal responsibility mind set has been fostered by leftist progressive political machine that has dominated a huge city for more than 50yrs and the state for nearly that long.
buffalobo
08-15-2020, 19:29
I guess if someone is already in the unfortunate position to let politics determine their life, and they are already fleeing from one place cause "liberals," then they likely wouldn't go to another liberal place.
That is pretty much the description of a loser though and I'd like to think that most people aren't making such poor life decisions. I'm probably overly optimistic though.
I had that response chalked up and am not trying to intentionally insinuate that you are a loser; since you brought up moving to conservative places. Just for the record.That was kinda lame for you. You don't think that politics are a factor in determining where to live for "thinking" people of any political persuasion? Maybe you should reconsider the relationship between politics and "quality" of life.
No, it might just be where I'm at in life currently, but I just can't imagine my happiness hinging on how other people think. I do my best to control my fate as much as possible and thus far, any short comings in my happiness can be directly attributed to my own failures to achieve what I want.
Blaming a lack of happiness on others is what losers do. I'm not trying to be mean here, but I'm not going to accept a defeatist attitude either.
There are lots of reasons to move, and politics might be one of them, but the reality is that many other factors rank far before politics. Some people try to link every single thing they don't like to one political persuasion or another. That's a loser's game that people default to when they aren't able, or willing to actually evaluate something.
Sounds like a good time to be selling our home.
Too bad the market we're looking to get into is also insane.
hurley842002
08-15-2020, 20:24
That was kinda lame for you. You don't think that politics are a factor in determining where to live for "thinking" people of any political persuasion? Maybe you should reconsider the relationship between politics and "quality" of life.Yup.
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As for me cost of living is what made me avoid those places.
I don't care for SF even if they become so conservative that it makes Bush, Ford, Trump and Paul look like commie liberal. I "ain't" moving there.
My friends small tiny house in SF that is stuck with other buildings without gap. It is 1200sqft with pole in the middle of the living room is worth 1.5m??
Btw it is not a good neighborhood either.
Co people need to be making $450k gross salary just to have a similar living condition.
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 20:32
No, it might just be where I'm at in life currently, but I just can't imagine my happiness hinging on how other people think. I do my best to control my fate as much as possible and thus far, any short comings in my happiness can be directly attributed to my own failures to achieve what I want.
Blaming a lack of happiness on others is what losers do. I'm not trying to be mean here, but I'm not going to accept a defeatist attitude either.
There are lots of reasons to move, and politics might be one of them, but the reality is that many other factors rank far before politics. Some people try to link every single thing they don't like to one political persuasion or another. That's a loser's game that people default to when they aren't able, or willing to actually evaluate something.
Where are you getting all this? Who said anything about their happiness hinging on how or what other people think? I sure as hell didn't. You have completely, and probably intentionally (pretty common for you), misrepresented what I said.
Do you not think that people who make important life decisions like moving might just be, I dunno, trying to improve their life and control their fate? And who is blaming a lack of happiness on anyone? I'm not. FFS...I'm 59, very happily retired...at 59..., and I do what I want, when I want, every day. I don't know about you but I engineered where I am in life. Both times I moved I improved my situation dramatically whether it was emotionally, financially or otherwise. Politics was pretty far down on the list of why I moved...though, admittedly, it was a factor. Finances were either number 1 or number 2 both times.
I've had plenty of failures in life like anyone else. Unhappiness, chronic unhappiness, isn't one of them. Life throws curve balls sometimes. That's just the way it is. I didn't think I'd be divorced after 30 years at 59. But here I am. Upside? It allowed me to take advantage of a tremendous opportunity to become financially secure to the point I can do pretty much anything I choose to do. So...lemons/lemonade.
You've made it clear before you disapprove, or maybe disagree, with my opinion of leftist politics. Fine. Your prerogative. But you're an idiot if you don't think those same leftist politics are the cause of a lot of societal issues all over this country. That's not to say the other side is perfect. But I'll take the other side's imperfections any day over the cancer that is leftist politics and policies.
You're making a lot of bullshit assertions about people's lives when you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You might wanna look at yourself and rethink your opinion of what constitutes "loser".
Zundfolge
08-15-2020, 20:36
No, it might just be where I'm at in life currently, but I just can't imagine my happiness hinging on how other people think.
Its not about how they think, its about how they vote and the increasingly leftward lurch of Colorado has most definitely impinged on my happiness. Legal weed brought busloads of trash into the state (making it impossible to enjoy hiking trails on the west side of The Springs that we used to walk or ride bikes on all the time) and increasing property crime by several orders of magnitude) ... then (with Dudley's help) the gun control laws, then the red flag laws ... TABOR will likely be gone within the next couple of years and there will be an orgy of tax increases at every level when that happens.
The massive influx of people made it almost impossible for me to find work when the company I was with for 13 years finally went tits up (I was going to interviews with 50+ applicants ... a lot of Graphic Designers moving to CO for the weed ... when we moved out there in '02 I had my pick of jobs and when we were there for less than 2 years I was able to jump to a new job with zero effort). So we were slowly draining our savings just to cling onto what we had and there's no sign that the place is going to get anything but worse.
Economics (and many other quality of life issues and thus ultimately happiness) actually is downstream from politics, no matter what you want to believe.
I figured this would happen. I'm not trying to put any words in your mouth. I'm having a different line of thinking without explaining it well.
You said that no thinking conservative would move to Colorado. I asked you to explain. You fleshed out that someone moving away from Democrats isn't going to move in with different ones.
While I agree with what you said, and why you said it. I'm trying to express my opinion that someone who moves with politics as the primary motivation shouldn't be described as a conservative, or a liberal, but as a loser. I didn't take the time to fully explain where I was going with my train of thought and let you come to your own conclusion about what I was trying to say. I'll try to engage in these kinds of conversations when I have the time to be more clear; right now I don't.
Zundfolge
08-15-2020, 20:57
I'm trying to express my opinion that someone who moves with politics as the primary motivation shouldn't be described as a conservative, or a liberal, but as a loser.
Yes, calling people that think differently than yourself "a loser" is just an awesome way to win friends and influence people (and make people think you come about your positions rationally).
Its not about how they think, its about how they vote and the increasingly leftward lurch of Colorado has most definitely impinged on my happiness. Legal weed brought busloads of trash into the state (making it impossible to enjoy hiking trails on the west side of The Springs that we used to walk or ride bikes on all the time) and increasing property crime by several orders of magnitude) ... then (with Dudley's help) the gun control laws, then the red flag laws ... TABOR will likely be gone within the next couple of years and there will be an orgy of tax increases at every level when that happens.
The massive influx of people made it almost impossible for me to find work when the company I was with for 13 years finally went tits up (I was going to interviews with 50+ applicants ... a lot of Graphic Designers moving to CO for the weed ... when we moved out there in '02 I had my pick of jobs and when we were there for less than 2 years I was able to jump to a new job with zero effort). So we were slowly draining our savings just to cling onto what we had and there's no sign that the place is going to get anything but worse.
Economics (and many other quality of life issues and thus ultimately happiness) actually is downstream from politics, no matter what you want to believe.
Were all the bus loads of trash the same people who out competed you for jobs and had enough money to pay the extraordinary real estate prices that allowed you to cash out into a more stagnant, I mean conservative, part of the country?
beast556
08-15-2020, 21:12
I've been saying for years now that CA is (very) slowly taking it's rights back and Colorado is more rapidly giving them all away election by election. The latest example was CA overturning the high capacity bans in CA and Co passed red flag laws. I just hope that those in CA are terrified beyond thinking logically and are trying to sell their property for whatever they can get for them to move here. The macro of this is property values decreasing in CA and increasing here in CO so that I can sell my house for all the money and then relocate to a freer CA that has far better weather year 'round. That's the dream anyway. May take a few decades but I'm playing the long game. lol
I'm hoping this happens, all the shit bags move out of CA . Then hopefully level headed people can move back in and change it back to a reasonable place to live again. Probly wont see it in my life time but hopefully my kids will.
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 21:26
Were all the bus loads of trash the same people who out competed you for jobs and had enough money to pay the extraordinary real estate prices that allowed you to cash out into a more stagnant, I mean conservative, part of the country?
Not trying to answer for Z, but the "bus loads of trash" weren't the only ones moving to CO and you know that. Is this another instance of you not explaining yourself well? Why is it you just can't seem to help yourself? You still find it necessary to take another jab at the location someone chooses to move to as if its some kind of character flaw? You really think highly of yourself, don't you.
Zundfolge
08-15-2020, 21:26
Were all the bus loads of trash the same people who out competed you for jobs and had enough money to pay the extraordinary real estate prices that allowed you to cash out into a more stagnant, I mean conservative, part of the country?
Wow, I just thought you were dumb ... but you're also an ass.
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 21:28
https://youtu.be/jPErFLWht1U
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 21:33
Personally, I'd rather live in a stagnant, I mean conservative, little town with a bunch of farmers and ranchers than in a leftist-infested, I mean progressive, suburb any day. But that's just the loser in me.
Not trying to answer for Z, but the "bus loads of trash" weren't the only ones moving to CO and you know that. Is this another instance of you not explaining yourself well? Why is it you just can't seem to help yourself? You still find it necessary to take another jab at the location someone chooses to move to as if its some kind of character flaw? You really think highly of yourself, don't you.
I'm not patting myself on that back for that comment. Sometimes the truth hurts so bad it even hurts the people that tell it.
Further, I'm not shitting on anywhere anyone moves. Every time I leave the state I'm looking hard at the other options besides Colorado. We're in a unique real estate situation and I don't want to miss an opportunity. Given my track record, I almost assuredly will though.
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 21:44
I'm not patting myself on that back for that comment. Sometimes the truth hurts so bad it even hurts the people that tell it.
Further, I'm not shitting on anywhere anyone moves. Every time I leave the state I'm looking hard at the other options besides Colorado. We're in a unique real estate situation and I don't want to miss an opportunity. Given my track record, I almost assuredly will though.
It wasn't a true/false statement you made. You were trying to make it sound like only one type of person was moving into the state and you know, or you should know, that's not the case. And the "out competed" remark...that was just the painful, but honest truth, too, right? Z is right...you were pretty much just being an ass. And I suppose you meant the whole stagnant/conservative thing in a nice way... Right.
Aloha_Shooter
08-15-2020, 22:11
... because there was no "Escape from Denver" ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYYZFcvQfRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6SWofbYD90
Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead (1995)
https://youtu.be/tsN7bzOk4RM
[Sofa]..
We should be able to have this conversation without anyone being a dick.
I am being a dick and Zund walked in at the wrong time. Sorry for being mean everyone. I get tired of the constant running narrative on here that anything bad is caused by liberals. This thread hadn't gone there yet, but since belly EVERY thread goes there, I don't feel like I'm taking any leaps. The members here are way too smart to still be beating that tired drum. I'm tired of trying to beat a different drum all the time.
Anyway, I'll go find other things to do besides being a jerk online.
GilpinGuy
08-16-2020, 00:41
Irv man. This is a GUN forum. 99% of members are rather conservative and lots of today's problems are from liberal policies. Wouldn't you agree? Thats not to say that "Republicans" (way different than conservatives these days) aren't to blame for a shit-ton of bad policies as well.
But the hot-button issues for gun totin, conservative-leaning folks here are discussed with like minded people and its a place for folks to vent a little. Lighten up man.
My family and I are seriously considering moving out of this increasing liberal state to a more liberty and freedom minded place and politics (aka "how your rulers rule over you") IS a big consideration for us. It has so much impact on so many aspect of your life. Am I a loser for that? Jeez.
Great-Kazoo
08-16-2020, 01:00
Taxes and vehicle registrations? Really? A new truck costs about $1k to register in CO and property taxes are gonna be thru the roof with new property valuations in the next few years. I suppose someone could think of many reasons to move to CO, but it doesn't seem like that would be taxes and veh registrations would be high on the list. And those cancer warnings are on just about everything, in and out of CA.
Property taxes in CO compared to CA and especially NY looks like a 5 & 10 store to them.
The family we have back in NY pay an average of $3K monthly, average on property taxes. Not yearly, but monthly. Average tax rate for a 3 bd , 2.5 bath 2K sq ft home in suburbia is $30K + a year. Don't even think about school taxes, or plating a vehicle, in either state.
.Throw in vehicle and home owners ins. Oh yeah CO looks like a dream come true, for some.
Great-Kazoo
08-16-2020, 01:23
Regarding a move for a more politically friendly state. Nv was on our short list. Come the day after the 16 elections the spouse, said Well looks like NV is off the table. Why's that. They voted blue!
With that said . for us it was a number of things. TRAFFIC, mostly. The number of homes being built in an area that at one time had 2 traffic lights and less than 6k population. The 12 mile drive from our house to 25 was maybe 10-12 minutes. Then traffic light, spawned traffic light, etc.
Between those and the ever increasing population, that short drive morphed in to a 30 min task. Then it seemed city councils and planning commissions were more interested in "making those big bucks from high density developers" Than listening to those who came to town meetings, voicing their objections. Sure they'd wanted the tax base, it came with. But ask them who was paying for the widening of the 2 lane roads, to handle another 25K estimated vehicles per day.... Crickets.
Include the issue people had with obeying those 8 sided red signs with white letters. While politics didn't play apart, at first. The underlying "common factor" we noticed was . More people = more left of center policies, attempt's to get "common sense, for the children" issues on both state and local ballots.
The gains by D's while R's believed just showing up would mean they'd get the votes., sealed it for us.
While it's not the ideal Red state, as in absolutes, politics wise. AZ has many more pros' than cons for us. 4x the property, neighbors are not next to us like CO, or (for now) is traffic.
Eventually the state will see a massive population increase, in this area, possibly a little less red, and more purple. Maybe.
If the gun stores and shooting ranges are any indication of it going BLUE. From the influx of CA residents, that's (hopefully) not happening soon. . Only met 2-3 CA people who are democrats. In 3 years a total of 3-4 vehicles with RESIST or Impeach TRUMP bumper stickers. In CO you were tripping over them on a daily basis.
Bailey Guns
08-16-2020, 04:56
Property taxes in CO compared to CA and especially NY looks like a 5 & 10 store to them.
The family we have back in NY pay an average of $3K monthly, average on property taxes. Not yearly, but monthly. Average tax rate for a 3 bd , 2.5 bath 2K sq ft home in suburbia is $30K + a year. Don't even think about school taxes, or plating a vehicle, in either state.
.Throw in vehicle and home owners ins. Oh yeah CO looks like a dream come true, for some.
Holy shit...that is a lot of taxes.
Errybody jus' simmah' down now. Remember that Aunt Jemimah is unemployed, and she has a big wooden spoon.
Not a threat directed to anyone btw. Just enjoying myself imagining the down-on-her-luck syrup lady going merc.
Great-Kazoo
08-16-2020, 09:13
Holy shit...that is a lot of taxes.
It is. But my other sister that lives in upstate N.Y. upscale zip code, with an overlook of the Hudson reever . pays 50% more. They have nice houses, but ......the insanity of living in those areas is , well insane. Like i said, current CO property and vehicle taxes are nothing to them.
<MADDOG>
08-16-2020, 10:28
CO gets the Kalifornian's (as has been for the last 10-20 years), and meanwhile the entire SE is inheriting the NYC dwellers, especially the Carolinas and Florida.
For a "pandemic", the housing market in the Charlotte and Charleston area is literally booming.
beast556
08-16-2020, 11:23
Taxes are insanely expensive in CA. My brother pays more every month for his property tax than I pay for my morage out here.
Cry baby of the year by state:
WAAAAAAHHHHHH!! WAAAAAAAHH!!
-King County in WA Democrats are taking entire state as a hostage to be a Blue state!!! Wahhhhh!!! Wahhh!!
-Fairfax County in VA Democrats are taking entire state as a hostage to be a Blue state!!! Wahhhhh!!! Wahhh!!
-Clark County in NV Democrats are taking entire state as a hostage to be a Blue state!!! Wahhhhh!!! Wahhh!!
-Denver and Boulder county in CO Democrats are taking entire state as a hostage to be a Blue state!!! Wahhhhh!!! Wahhh!!
Since I don't want to have 8 kids and have them register for republican,
I would rather volunteer at those citizenship test swearing place to have new citizens to register republican.
More volunteers= less wait in line to register to be republican (vote).
Sadly democrats has way more volunteers there than republican and have more freebie swag decal etc.
At the same time returdeded tin foil hat phaggotties are crying about Kamala's birther shit, instead of trying to recruit more new Republicans.
Zundfolge
08-16-2020, 18:58
At the same time returdeded tin foil hat phaggotties are crying about Kamala's birther shit, instead of trying to recruit more new Republicans.
I don't believe any of the people pushing the Kamala birther theory are conservatives or Republicans ... they're leftists out there false flagging.
Delfuego
08-16-2020, 19:43
Everyone is worried about NY & California, y'all been getting over-run with Michigan for years! Michigan is America's Syria...
Just great.
What's the over/under on conservative vs libtard?
Inadequately stagnant.
I don't believe any of the people pushing the Kamala birther theory are conservatives or Republicans ... they're leftists out there false flagging.
Was a reporter at a briefing that floated the question from a Newsweek OP-Ed. (Newsweek has since apologized)
The President said, "...I have no idea if that's right..." and "I just heard about, we'll take a look."
Therefore, Trump is pushing the 'birther' argument again. I think the media thinks nobody is paying attention.
Unfortunately, I think they're mostly right. So many just read the headlines.
I don't believe any of the people pushing the Kamala birther theory are conservatives or Republicans ... they're leftists out there false flagging.
Was a reporter at a briefing that floated the question from a Newsweek OP-Ed. (Newsweek has since apologized)
The President said, "...I have no idea if that's right..." and "I just heard about, we'll take a look."
Therefore, Trump is pushing the 'birther' argument again. I think the media thinks nobody is paying attention.
Unfortunately, I think they're mostly right. So many just read the headlines.
sadly, tin foil hat on both sides does discuss about it. (where as no one even discussed anything about that birther crap here)
Let democratnutjobs talk about it, and we campaign for state and us senate. I can't stand HicknBooper.
Zundfolge
08-16-2020, 21:11
I can't stand HicknBooper.
I used to derisively call Hick "Dick-In-Pooper" but then an actual homo got the job so its not all that funny anymore.
Great-Kazoo
08-16-2020, 21:19
I used to derisively call Hick "Dick-In-Pooper" but then an actual homo got the job so its not all that funny anymore.
HEY DUDE! he's not a homo.
He's Vaginally Challenged .
Which does give a different meaning to... what's a matter, cock got your tongue.
I used to derisively call Hick "Dick-In-Pooper" but then an actual homo got the job so its not all that funny anymore.
Dick-in-Pooper, thats a good one, I use Poll-licker for Jareds name.
[fags][fag][fagpole]
Dick-in-Pooper, thats a good one, I use Poll-licker for Jareds name.
[fags][fag][fagpole]
PoleSmoker.
Great-Kazoo
08-17-2020, 08:15
Dick-in-Pooper, thats a good one, I use Poll-licker for Jareds name.
[fags][fag][fagpole]
You can access polis wedding song playlist on line.
Here's the opening song. In case anyone attending, was not aware of their sexual orientation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1j1249CEvA
Speaking of other state people coming into CO, I see many Ohioans coming to CO.
I ve sold 2 golf equipment to Ohioan (1 cinn and 1 columbus) in colorado within 7 days.
I believe Ohio is more redder than Colorado.
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