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jenznat0r
10-04-2020, 20:05
Hey All,

So I did listen to everyone in the end. After the pandemic cleared up in Idaho, I decided to my return to my original University in Rexburg to finish what I started for the Fall 2020 semester. I'm here to report that that decision ended up in kind of a mixed bag of results. The good news is I will be graduating this December (finally). The less than ideal news is that it will not be in a Bachelor's, but an Associate's. Let's just say the pattern of difficulty in school, like semesters past, was beginning to really burn me out. I looked at my options for a more speedy path to graduation, and talked with an academic advisor. He pointed out the fact I had more than enough credits to graduate with an Associate's in General Studies, and that was an option. I decided, for now, to take that option and hopefully (as long as the school doesn't shut down from COVID-19 and go completely remote) I will be walking with my peers. Am I sad I am putting my Bachelor's on hold? Absolutely. But I feel it is better to walk away from school with something than nothing at all. I need to get working and going on a career path.

2A wise and what I personally own, I've sold off most my inventory and I'm just down to a Glock 19 Gen 5 and a 22 my dad gave me. I decided my family needs me more than ever, and I went down to the basics until I get on my feet and have my own money coming in.

So we are 100 percent moving to Colorado in December/Early January. That decision has been made. My wife needs to be around family. I will miss the very gun-friendly state of Idaho, but as mentioned... there's more to life than just guns. For a time we'll be living with her family, and I get it may be for some time, I've accepted that. My wife is a registered CNA in both Colorado and Idaho, so she'll be working and so will I. I have no set plans for a career path, but I am hoping a 2 year degree might open up some minor doors with an employer versus absolutely nothing.

Anyways, looking forward to meeting some of you when I hit the state line and get stabilized. I got my CWL in Idaho in February, I plan on carrying out on my move one last time before I lose my carrying privileges after declaring residency until I can obtain the Colorado CCW.

Peace.

Irving
10-04-2020, 20:12
I'd start looking for housing at least an hour away from Denver to get into something realistic as far as affordability. Good luck.

jenznat0r
10-04-2020, 20:22
I'd start looking for housing at least an hour away from Denver to get into something realistic as far as affordability. Good luck.

If I could live anywhere in Colorado, it would be Manitou Springs. But that's not realistic. I've looked as far out as Bennett, Strasburg or Deer Trail, but not quite to that point yet.

Irving
10-04-2020, 20:37
Those areas are going though a resurgence of new builds and renovation. That wouldn't be a bad choice beyond the commute. If you find work on the east side of town (Aurora) it wouldn't be that bad though.

I'd also look North. I can get a house twice the size of mine in Thornton for about the same price just 30 minutia North of me.

beast556
10-04-2020, 22:31
I guess you gotta make the wife happy. With that said I would not move from Idaho to colorado right now, this state is going down the shiter and is expensive as shit now. There are plenty of jobs to be had when you get here but they don't pay enough to live here now, cost of living has gone up 5x here since we moved here 12 years ago.

FoxtArt
10-04-2020, 23:08
Don't rule out the small towns away from the metro for work. Including west slope, southern Colorado (mostly Durango), steamboat, etc.

There's a ton of reasons to be avoiding the metro Denver area in late 2020 / 2021.

Martinjmpr
10-05-2020, 08:36
Best of luck to you. Since you have family in CO already you could ask them to start looking around for places to live. I think that's going to be the toughest nut to crack, finding a place that is affordable and still decent. Lots of jobs in the metro area but as others have said, the CoL is crazy high here. Unless you're determined to live in the Denver/FOCO front range area I'd consider CO Springs for somewhere slightly more affordable.

Great-Kazoo
10-05-2020, 08:46
happy to see you decided to finish school. You made a compromise, in both education and, making the spouse happy. It's a start.

Justin
10-05-2020, 09:33
If I could live anywhere in Colorado, it would be Manitou Springs. But that's not realistic. I've looked as far out as Bennett, Strasburg or Deer Trail, but not quite to that point yet.

Manitou Springs is over run with homeless and pot heads, and the cops are really heavy handed about parking enforcement.

It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't live there.

00tec
10-05-2020, 10:13
Bennett is a shitshow with new builds. Not as cheap as it used to be. New development going up now, just west of town.

I paid $92.5k for my 38.5 acre lot 4 (ish) years ago. Same size lot out here is $180-$200k now

But, hey, come write me a fat check and I'll GTFO to a state that appreciates freedom.

Irving
10-05-2020, 10:22
What does that lot cost with a house on it?

T. B. Turner
10-05-2020, 10:27
My wife and I are planning to retire and move from the Denver area. Houses that are about 1 to 1-1/2 hours away from the Denver are about 1/4 to 1/3 less.

00tec
10-05-2020, 10:42
What does that lot cost with a house on it?

Zillow plants mine at about $520k. Neighbors sold their house at somewhere around $650k a few months ago. (Theirs is 2300ish ft with a full basement- framed, but not finished. With a shop/garage)

Irving
10-05-2020, 10:45
Oof, that's outside my price range, but expected.

jenznat0r
10-05-2020, 19:51
How hard is it to get an armed private security job as a civilian (non LE or military) out that way?

I'm looking at other jobs too. Can't really apply until my move date gets closer, though.

beast556
10-05-2020, 21:51
How hard is it to get an armed private security job as a civilian (non LE or military) out that way?

I'm looking at other jobs too. Can't really apply until my move date gets closer, though.

Not hard at all, only thing is most security jobs don't pay much. You can probly find a security job in a week of moving out here especially if you are moving to the metro area and have a clean record and piss clean.

jenznat0r
10-05-2020, 21:57
I know an Associate's is not a huge step up from the next guy who has no prior higher education, but what could I realistically look for if I am open to career or skillset? I'd like to make at least 17-20 starting out in an entry level position. I don't think that's too unrealistic, given Colorado wages and a degree, even if it's a 2 year one. My biggest concern is my wife and my income will mostly be paying bills and saving up for a down payment on an apartment or a rented house we can live in while we live with her family for a time.

Bailey Guns
10-06-2020, 04:55
https://denver.craigslist.org/d/security/search/sec

jenznat0r
10-06-2020, 05:38
Thanks! I've looked a little on Google jobs. I'm looking for ones where you provide your own firearm, mostly.

beast556
10-06-2020, 10:31
Good luck with finding a 17-20$ hour regular security job to start out that is what the supervisor will make. Not trying to be an ass hole just realistic. Wages have been stagnate for 15 years now in Colorado. Look in to goverment sub-contracted armed security guards you might be able to hit that 17$ and it will be a cake job.

BushMasterBoy
10-06-2020, 10:46
I think you could get a prison guard job in Colorado.

Irving
10-06-2020, 10:51
Seriously consider why you think you want to be an armed security guard before you put much effort into that path. If you're thinking that you like guns, and that job allows you to carry a gun, and the thought doesn't go much beyond that, I'd reconsider.

You seem to have a pretty narrow view of what your opportunities are because of your degree. You don't need a degree to make good money. While it's understandable that you're young and have been groomed to believe that income is tied to college, it's not true and you need to purge that thought as soon as possible.

I've done security work and it sucks. Generally the low level of pay makes it suck even more. You can go sell residential roofs without knowing a damn thing and make way better money than $20/hr. I don't sell roofs and I don't like sales, but I'd do something like that in a heart beat before I'd ever consider a security job again. There are a lot of opportunities out there, I just picked roofs because all you need is a collapsible ladder. It's not like a construction job where you'll always be saving up for tools, which will be tough since you're trying to get onto your feet.

CS1983
10-06-2020, 11:49
I think you could get a prison guard job in Colorado.

And Canon City is still relatively affordable!

BushMasterBoy
10-06-2020, 12:01
And Canon City is still relatively affordable!

You have the whole Arkansas River valley to find a place to live. Unless you want to live in the city of course. I knew some guards 20 years ago, that just sat in a tower with a rifle all day. Other guys are on teams that hunt escapees. I never ever heard of a layoff. The US marshals handle all the federal prisoners transport, and I see the convoys rarely. Colorado DOC does their own transports. I hope this information helps. Good luck with your search!

jenznat0r
10-06-2020, 12:05
No, you're totally right Irving. I do have a narrow mind on many things, I need to be more flexible and open minded. I'm just thinking of things that might interest me at this point. Nothing worse than a job you hate from the get go. I was never blessed when I was young with a passion or desire for a specific path, so it's why I'm trying to figure it out now.

Irving
10-06-2020, 12:08
My entire post can be boiled down to, "Don't sell yourself short." Don't look for the job you think you can get, look for a job you'd want. If it takes more steps to get where you want, most careers do, you'll have a path to focus on instead of settling right out of the gate.

CS1983
10-06-2020, 12:26
Also, keep in mind that the trades always need dudes. They're the best kept secret that several generations of "Muh college!!!!" by HS guidance counselors have screwed a lot of guys out of, who are now in office jobs and hating life while making less money than an experienced tradesman. If I had it to do over, I'd have gotten into plumbing or specialty welding.

Unless one has a very specific reason/path in mind, a degree really means jack other than a mentality of going with the flow and being willing to put on massive debt with very little return versus other paths.

Sawin
10-06-2020, 12:42
My entire post can be boiled down to, "Don't sell yourself short." Don't look for the job you think you can get, look for a job you'd want. If it takes more steps to get where you want, most careers do, you'll have a path to focus on instead of settling right out of the gate.

I agree whole heartedly with Irving today :)

Great-Kazoo
10-06-2020, 13:48
No, you're totally right Irving. I do have a narrow mind on many things, I need to be more flexible and open minded. I'm just thinking of things that might interest me at this point. Nothing worse than a job you hate from the get go. I was never blessed when I was young with a passion or desire for a specific path, so it's why I'm trying to figure it out now.

CO has this office and online service, as do other states called Job Services, or some other name. When you move here sign up on line and or visit an office, unless CO is still COVID CLOSED!

Talk to a councilor about job opportunities and possible training. I know OTR as well as intrastate drivers requiring a CDL are in demand. As are other trades looking to hire apprentices.

Sawin
10-06-2020, 14:06
If you're an IT guy at all, even just technical-support-eque. Give me a shout. I might have an opportunity for you actually

Mazin
10-06-2020, 14:17
don't forget to get your merchant Guard License

hurley842002
10-06-2020, 14:19
You have the whole Arkansas River valley to find a place to live. Unless you want to live in the city of course. I knew some guards 20 years ago, that just sat in a tower with a rifle all day. Other guys are on teams that hunt escapees. I never ever heard of a layoff. The US marshals handle all the federal prisoners transport, and I see the convoys rarely. Colorado DOC does their own transports. I hope this information helps. Good luck with your search!

You are correct with the DOC information, not quite with the Federal transport. I do agree with you on the OP considering prison work, especially Federal (if he can get in), it?s likely to be one of the highest paying entry level (i.e. no education, not super competitive) jobs in Colorado. I heard the DOC got a significant pay raise, putting them closer to the BOP.


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Bailey Guns
10-06-2020, 14:46
I think if I had it to do all over again and didn't want to necessarily go to college, I'd try to get on as a lineman with a power company. I new more than just a few guys in the Bailey area that had been with the local power company for 10 years or more and were all making $100k+ per year. Not bad for a job that's all on-the-job training.

BushMasterBoy
10-06-2020, 15:35
You are correct with the DOC information, not quite with the Federal transport. I do agree with you on the OP considering prison work, especially Federal (if he can get in), it?s likely to be one of the highest paying entry level (i.e. no education, not super competitive) jobs in Colorado. I heard the DOC got a significant pay raise, putting them closer to the BOP.


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I lived in Florence from middle 90's to the end. I was there before SuperMax was even finished. I do remember the riot on Bill Clintons birthday and the sound of gunfire. They had rioted before, but no shots fired. I know high profile prisoners are flown in. I have seen prisoners being transported by private companies, so that job possibility is an opportunity too. I would not recommend Florence or Canon City as places to live. I am just saying that's the way it was 20 years ago. The valley has some of the most beautiful scenery.

FoxtArt
10-06-2020, 15:39
Fremont County (with Florence and Canon City and Penrose) has something like 16 prisons - # is probably off after all these years - and more than 50% of their economy is based on those prisons. AFAIK the state DOC isn't paying awesome their either, and the local LEO's were having starting wages of $15.75/h last I checked (~ 3 years ago). You might have job security there, but it comes at a bad price. It makes things very abnormal when half the town is quite literally a prison guard, and another huge portion is families of incarcerated - the result is not cliche Colorado small town life. ETA: There's also a long history of local corruption in the press there if you do your google searches. Some of it is more than just foam on a beer - botched homicides, deputies absconding with murder evidence, threatening locals if they report to CBI, stuff like that...

BushMasterBoy
10-06-2020, 15:50
FoxtArt is dead on with the "atmosphere" of the cities near the prisons. I'm trying not to bash the area.

hurley842002
10-06-2020, 16:00
Fremont County (with Florence and Canon City and Penrose) has something like 16 prisons - # is probably off after all these years - and more than 50% of their economy is based on those prisons. AFAIK the state DOC isn't paying awesome their either, and the local LEO's were having starting wages of $15.75/h last I checked (~ 3 years ago). You might have job security there, but it comes at a bad price. It makes things very abnormal when half the town is quite literally a prison guard, and another huge portion is families of incarcerated - the result is not cliche Colorado small town life. ETA: There's also a long history of local corruption in the press there if you do your google searches. Some of it is more than just foam on a beer - botched homicides, deputies absconding with murder evidence, threatening locals if they report to CBI, stuff like that...

I couldn?t recommend anything in the ?East Canyon Complex? for precisely the reasons you mentioned. Florence/ADX is better, and the bulk of those folks live in Pueblo West or South Springs, never stepping foot in CC.

Prisons in metro areas are a completely different dynamic, and much more recommended.


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Irving
10-06-2020, 16:04
I think if I had it to do all over again and didn't want to necessarily go to college, I'd try to get on as a lineman with a power company. I new more than just a few guys in the Bailey area that had been with the local power company for 10 years or more and were all making $100k+ per year. Not bad for a job that's all on-the-job training.

This. ^^
When ever there is a hurricane or similar windy storm, linemen come from all over the country to make double over time for a week, then go home and buy boats. Plus you get to learn a tangible skill set.

The Norseman
10-06-2020, 17:33
Don't rule out the small towns away from the metro for work. Including west slope, southern Colorado (mostly Durango), steamboat, etc.

There's a ton of reasons to be avoiding the metro Denver area in late 2020 / 2021.

Durango area (even up into Silverton) is as expensive if not more so than front range for real estate prices. Jobs are all service industry unless you can telecommute. Don?t come here, there?s already too many and the out of staters coming are going to make it suck worse...


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fitterjohn
10-06-2020, 18:18
Also, keep in mind that the trades always need dudes. They're the best kept secret that several generations of "Muh college!!!!" by HS guidance counselors have screwed a lot of guys out of, who are now in office jobs and hating life while making less money than an experienced tradesman. If I had it to do over, I'd have gotten into plumbing or specialty welding.

Unless one has a very specific reason/path in mind, a degree really means jack other than a mentality of going with the flow and being willing to put on massive debt with very little return versus other paths.
Gotta plus one this. I?m a college drop out with a 2.8 hs gpa. But I?m also a pipe fitter and clear 80-100k ( before taxes) every year since I was in my early 20s. They start you at a highish hourly(I think 16 and full medical ) on day one, you don?t pay for your education, they find you the job, the raise in pay is late out for you over 5 year apprenticeship, you can do it anywhere and can?t be outsourced, get a pension still, and the medical insurance covers all your dependents and doesn?t come out of your hourly wage. Oh and if your a service tech you take the company truck home with the company gas.

TheSparkens
10-06-2020, 19:54
fitterjohn we always have said besides the Elevator guys you guys always have had a strong union. We also joke that you are no longer pipe fitters we call you guys pipe put er together, the art of threading pipe is almost a lost art. I am an electrician and have a large background in industrial work and when I was in the field we never could use unions all the pipe had to thread together. Now if you ask guys to do that there heads will explode. The trades are a great place to be and if you work hard you will never be out of work the only days that I have missed for work are the ones I have asked to.

fitterjohn
10-06-2020, 19:59
Shit I am a service tech. I have to relearn the pipe threader every time I need pipe( or let Home Depot do it). But my shop invested in 3 pro press/mega press tools. Much faster than threading gas pipe. Though there will always be a place for the welders. I do lots of ultra low temp refrigeration. And large tonnage equipment with a large amount of electrical controls. I make my money with my brain and meter( refrigerant gauges if I have to) and I the the monkeys put the pipe together. No offense to anyone that’s a real pipe fitter.

We do have a fairly strong union around here especially compared to the plumbers in co and the fitter locals around us. We are also like if of 7 straight line locals around. Stay out of the politics and it’s not too bad.

Irving
10-06-2020, 20:55
Gotta plus one this. I?m a college drop out with a 2.8 hs gpa. But I?m also a pipe fitter and clear 80-100k ( before taxes) every year since I was in my early 20s. They start you at a highish hourly(I think 16 and full medical ) on day one, you don?t pay for your education, they find you the job, the raise in pay is late out for you over 5 year apprenticeship, you can do it anywhere and can?t be outsourced, get a pension still, and the medical insurance covers all your dependents and doesn?t come out of your hourly wage. Oh and if your a service tech you take the company truck home with the company gas.

I just found this stuff in my tool box, where do I sign up?!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3c6pCkD_eALdr828a-hI2rJjTnFzfSW25l6A0iAKdY-sMzNm9m4tSc32hbA-Zu_skJLamaRvh6KjdkV9Ow7lckoj41KBMgSpIjOZ_0Fh0nfpKC WJQQusWJIS0KrdeNNAoBStY38-k8tpDco4d3MwPVLPg=w1366-h616-no?authuser=0

jenznat0r
10-06-2020, 20:55
In other news, today marks the end of an era for me. I've had my fair share of firearms for being a student. Had a safe and all. Sold the safe today in preparation to move in with wife's family....wife said the "embargo" of firearms is in effect until we get established and on our feet for a few years in Colorado. Our 5 year anniversary is on the 17th...almost brought her home a Glock 44 today so she could shoot with me again...just bringing it up almost landed me on the couch. Decided not to buy in the end. Guess I just need to accept where I'm at and get really comfortable with my Glock and 22 bolt action I have left. Kept what I felt was the bare minimum to be responsibly armed. Everything else has been sold off and put towards the moving fund. End of an era indeed.

MrPrena
10-06-2020, 21:37
Y'all doing very well doing ~$100k+ profit and etc.

I had only about 6-7 years of studying, and I (personally) made -$1600 last year, and broke even on corp. I am doing substantially better this year, and I expect to make about -$2500 if everything goes the way on acct. It will also be a break even on corp.


Someone just said that said person reported negative for years, and paid $750 on taxes on year 2017? :D

fitterjohn
10-07-2020, 06:09
I just found this stuff in my tool box, where do I sign up?!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3c6pCkD_eALdr828a-hI2rJjTnFzfSW25l6A0iAKdY-sMzNm9m4tSc32hbA-Zu_skJLamaRvh6KjdkV9Ow7lckoj41KBMgSpIjOZ_0Fh0nfpKC WJQQusWJIS0KrdeNNAoBStY38-k8tpDco4d3MwPVLPg=w1366-h616-no?authuser=0

We have a few widow makers like that laying around lol. Only used one like that as an apprentice.

cableguy11
10-07-2020, 07:08
I think if I had it to do all over again and didn't want to necessarily go to college, I'd try to get on as a lineman with a power company. I new more than just a few guys in the Bailey area that had been with the local power company for 10 years or more and were all making $100k+ per year. Not bad for a job that's all on-the-job training.

Plus no layoffs...and you get paid for bad weather days. Plus you can always move up to what I do which is basically work with the lineman but from the comfort of an office. In fact I watch the guys in Bailey now a days! They make awesome wages and awesome benefits.

Bailey Guns
10-07-2020, 14:09
In other news, today marks the end of an era for me. I've had my fair share of firearms for being a student. Had a safe and all. Sold the safe today in preparation to move in with wife's family....wife said the "embargo" of firearms is in effect until we get established and on our feet for a few years in Colorado. Our 5 year anniversary is on the 17th...almost brought her home a Glock 44 today so she could shoot with me again...just bringing it up almost landed me on the couch. Decided not to buy in the end. Guess I just need to accept where I'm at and get really comfortable with my Glock and 22 bolt action I have left. Kept what I felt was the bare minimum to be responsibly armed. Everything else has been sold off and put towards the moving fund. End of an era indeed.


I'm not judging you or what you do with your life. But I'm gathering from your other posts that you're about 32 years old, kind of adrift in life in not knowing exactly what you want to do, have limited finances at the present time and will soon be moving back to CO where you're going to live with your in-laws . Did I read correctly in another thread where it sounded like you were saying you used/were going to use student loan money to buy a gun?

This is just friendly advice from a guy you don't know but who's been where you are at some point in my earlier, much younger life. You need to set a course for your life before you even consider spending your limited resources on guns. I don't know of too many people who will tell you they really enjoyed their married life living with their (or her) parents...especially in their 30s. You're still young but you don't have an unlimited clock on settling into a career and life in general.

It's probably time you and your wife sat down and had a serious conversation about where you want to go with your lives and how you want to get there. I have no idea what your financial situation is aside from what you shared here and that sounds like you have limited means at the present time. I can tell you nothing will strangle your life in general and your relationship, and the ability to do things you want to do in life, like debt. That is a hard truth that many of us had to learn the hard way. Well...I did anyway. Taking on debt is the absolute worst thing you can do when you don't have a job, a house, etc... You're going to regret it.

Sit down with your wife and chart your course...your realistic course...going forward. Then start to do positive things that will allow you to get there and achieve what you've set out to do. I can tell you from personal experience you'll never get there if you have much debt at all.

Please take this advice in the spirit it's intended. I have no skin in your game...just trying to share some of life's little challenges that we've all faced at one point or another.

Good luck with whatever you do.

hatidua
10-07-2020, 14:34
You're still young but you don't have an unlimited clock on settling into a career and life in general.

I don't think that can be overstated. The clock ticks along extremely quickly.

CS1983
10-07-2020, 15:37
I'm not judging you or what you do with your life. But I'm gathering from your other posts that you're about 32 years old, kind of adrift in life in not knowing exactly what you want to do, have limited finances at the present time and will soon be moving back to CO where you're going to live with your in-laws . Did I read correctly in another thread where it sounded like you were saying you used/were going to use student loan money to buy a gun?

This is just friendly advice from a guy you don't know but who's been where you are at some point in my earlier, much younger life. You need to set a course for your life before you even consider spending your limited resources on guns. I don't know of too many people who will tell you they really enjoyed their married life living with their (or her) parents...especially in their 30s. You're still young but you don't have an unlimited clock on settling into a career and life in general.

It's probably time you and your wife sat down and had a serious conversation about where you want to go with your lives and how you want to get there. I have no idea what your financial situation is aside from what you shared here and that sounds like you have limited means at the present time. I can tell you nothing will strangle your life in general and your relationship, and the ability to do things you want to do in life, like debt. That is a hard truth that many of us had to learn the hard way. Well...I did anyway. Taking on debt is the absolute worst thing you can do when you don't have a job, a house, etc... You're going to regret it.

Sit down with your wife and chart your course...your realistic course...going forward. Then start to do positive things that will allow you to get there and achieve what you've set out to do. I can tell you from personal experience you'll never get there if you have much debt at all.

Please take this advice in the spirit it's intended. I have no skin in your game...just trying to share some of life's little challenges that we've all faced at one point or another.

Good luck with whatever you do.

This. So much, this.

BladesNBarrels
10-07-2020, 15:50
I'm not judging you or what you do with your life. But I'm gathering from your other posts that you're about 32 years old, kind of adrift in life in not knowing exactly what you want to do, have limited finances at the present time and will soon be moving back to CO where you're going to live with your in-laws . Did I read correctly in another thread where it sounded like you were saying you used/were going to use student loan money to buy a gun?

This is just friendly advice from a guy you don't know but who's been where you are at some point in my earlier, much younger life. You need to set a course for your life before you even consider spending your limited resources on guns. I don't know of too many people who will tell you they really enjoyed their married life living with their (or her) parents...especially in their 30s. You're still young but you don't have an unlimited clock on settling into a career and life in general.

It's probably time you and your wife sat down and had a serious conversation about where you want to go with your lives and how you want to get there. I have no idea what your financial situation is aside from what you shared here and that sounds like you have limited means at the present time. I can tell you nothing will strangle your life in general and your relationship, and the ability to do things you want to do in life, like debt. That is a hard truth that many of us had to learn the hard way. Well...I did anyway. Taking on debt is the absolute worst thing you can do when you don't have a job, a house, etc... You're going to regret it.

Sit down with your wife and chart your course...your realistic course...going forward. Then start to do positive things that will allow you to get there and achieve what you've set out to do. I can tell you from personal experience you'll never get there if you have much debt at all.

Please take this advice in the spirit it's intended. I have no skin in your game...just trying to share some of life's little challenges that we've all faced at one point or another.

Good luck with whatever you do.

New nickname for Bailey Guns should be Dutch Uncle.
Well said, from the heart, advice given as an experienced true friend

BushMasterBoy
10-07-2020, 16:14
I'd try to find a job here at Spacex. I know it does not fit your present criteria, but at least take a look.

https://www.spacex.com/careers/

jenznat0r
10-07-2020, 17:42
I'm not judging you or what you do with your life. But I'm gathering from your other posts that you're about 32 years old, kind of adrift in life in not knowing exactly what you want to do, have limited finances at the present time and will soon be moving back to CO where you're going to live with your in-laws . Did I read correctly in another thread where it sounded like you were saying you used/were going to use student loan money to buy a gun?

This is just friendly advice from a guy you don't know but who's been where you are at some point in my earlier, much younger life. You need to set a course for your life before you even consider spending your limited resources on guns. I don't know of too many people who will tell you they really enjoyed their married life living with their (or her) parents...especially in their 30s. You're still young but you don't have an unlimited clock on settling into a career and life in general.

It's probably time you and your wife sat down and had a serious conversation about where you want to go with your lives and how you want to get there. I have no idea what your financial situation is aside from what you shared here and that sounds like you have limited means at the present time. I can tell you nothing will strangle your life in general and your relationship, and the ability to do things you want to do in life, like debt. That is a hard truth that many of us had to learn the hard way. Well...I did anyway. Taking on debt is the absolute worst thing you can do when you don't have a job, a house, etc... You're going to regret it.

Sit down with your wife and chart your course...your realistic course...going forward. Then start to do positive things that will allow you to get there and achieve what you've set out to do. I can tell you from personal experience you'll never get there if you have much debt at all.

Please take this advice in the spirit it's intended. I have no skin in your game...just trying to share some of life's little challenges that we've all faced at one point or another.

Good luck with whatever you do.

None taken sir. I realize I am way behind the curve, and I do have some life prioritization/immaturity issues that are a continual work in progress, but I'm at where I'm at. I kind of "hung out" from age 18 to almost 27 and my life went nowhere. It's when I met my wife that my life went faster than I guess I could process it. I'm 33 now, and I really only have about 6 years of genuine hard life experience under my belt, so just cut me some slack. I'm starting at 33 where most people in their early 20's start their lives. There was a point where we were in TONS of debt, but we managed to pay it off. We're still in debt, but at best it's around 700ish dollars. That's it. I own all the firearms I own for the time being, although there wasn't a point where that was always true. Having credit cards with a high limit can be a real detriment if you're not cautious and careful. Just being as open as I can with the internet while also having fear of some bashing/judgement.

Great-Kazoo
10-07-2020, 18:10
None taken sir. I realize I am way behind the curve, and I do have some life prioritization/immaturity issues that are a continual work in progress, but I'm at where I'm at. I kind of "hung out" from age 18 to almost 27 and my life went nowhere. It's when I met my wife that my life went faster than I guess I could process it. I'm 33 now, and I really only have about 6 years of genuine hard life experience under my belt, so just cut me some slack. I'm starting at 33 where most people in their early 20's start their lives. There was a point where we were in TONS of debt, but we managed to pay it off. We're still in debt, but at best it's around 700ish dollars. That's it. I own all the firearms I own for the time being, although there wasn't a point where that was always true. Having credit cards with a high limit can be a real detriment if you're not cautious and careful. Just being as open as I can with the internet while also having fear of some bashing/judgement.

You don't need to "Cut some Slack" You need to get it in gear, within the first 30-45 days after you hit CO. OR you'll never hear the end of, My Parents Said. or I need some space.

Under the in laws roof, I can guarantee you. They will have their daughter and any grandkids health & well being, wayyyyyy ahead of yours.

Especially if you oops, accidentally, say Hey cut me some slack. As mentioned have a plan, then 2 more when, and if, A-B falls thru. With the number of potential jobs out there, even stocking shelves will put food on the table. As well as show the in laws, you're making an attempt.





How have you managed to get this far, with no game plan?

hunterhawk
10-07-2020, 18:35
Stop talking about guns, and figure out a job so you dont turn into the alcoholic 40 year old step son living in the basement with no job playing video games all day... thats straight to the point.

jenznat0r
10-07-2020, 19:25
Why do you honestly think I outreached? To hear myself talk? I'm out of ideas, so I asked the internet. To ask the internet is a huge risk opening yourself up, so if I was so close-minded I wouldn't be asking. I'm trying to cobble it together.

Grant H.
10-07-2020, 20:10
At this point in time, don't look for a job that you want/love, look for the highest paying job you can find. Making money, and getting out of living with your inlaws is critical. This is not specific to your inlaws, but living with roommates would be better for your marriage than living with your inlaws. Living with inlaws puts an unreasonable strain on the spouse that is related. In my case my wife and I were living with my parents, and only for 2 weeks before the apartment we rented was available. One of my good friends lived with his wife's parents for 2-3 years, and they are still in counseling and largely only still married "for the children". In my personal case, the pressure from my parents was immense, to do things as they saw fit. In my buddies case, the wife was under the same pressure, but her attachment (largely true of most women, not all) to her parents caused her to side with them after some time, hence the long term counseling and maintaining their "relationship" for the children. If you can't get out of that situation, then do your best to shorten the time frame.

Sit down with your wife and build a budget. Stick to it. Budgeting is something that a lot of folks never figure out, and it will leave you living paycheck-to-paycheck for a long time. I would suggest that you and your wife go through Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University. I've personally seen this program put friends and family on a track that has them investing for retirement, living largely debt free (aside from the house), and sticking to a good budget. I've gone through it several times as a "course presenter" at my church.

As for jobs, regular armed security doesn't pay worth a damn. The armed security that is employed where I work makes $12/hr on the beat, and the "lead" for each shift is making $15-17/hr at best (I don't know them as well as the regular guys that stick their head in the lab and chat for a minute on rounds). Working security for MJ grows pays more, but is a pretty tight niche to get into, which means you're going to have experience to get there to start with.

While we are all here for our interest in firearms, I would suggest holding onto the G19 you have mentioned, but not buying anything else for now. Get your finances in order, get your wife and yourself on the same page as for a living situation, and start moving forward.

As someone who is only a couple years older than you, I would strongly suggest that you chase the dollar amount for jobs now, and once you are on your feet with a steady job, then you can start looking for a job that you "love". Given that you likely aren't chasing salaried/long term jobs to start with, prioritize the hourly wage over other "benefits"/"adjustments" that may be offered.

This isn't meant to be harsh, although I expect it will come across that way, so please try to read this for the actual content here, not the likely negative perception I expect.

Your responses make it sound like you have a sharp mind, and have picked up on some of the "missteps" that you have taken in life. However, it seems as if you have decided to use that knowledge as a method of deflecting from making necessary changes in your life that you don't want to. It strikes me as the alcoholic saying that "the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem... I have a problem" and then downing another beer/shot/etc...

So, as a peer of yours by age, I would strongly suggest that you not ask elders that offer advice to "cut you some slacK", but instead try and find even one small nugget in the advice given that can be applied to your life and make some changes.

Great-Kazoo
10-08-2020, 00:28
At this point in time, don't look for a job that you want/love, look for the highest paying job you can find. Making money, and getting out of living with your inlaws is critical. This is not specific to your inlaws, but living with roommates would be better for your marriage than living with your inlaws. Living with inlaws puts an unreasonable strain on the spouse that is related. In my case my wife and I were living with my parents, and only for 2 weeks before the apartment we rented was available. One of my good friends lived with his wife's parents for 2-3 years, and they are still in counseling and largely only still married "for the children". In my personal case, the pressure from my parents was immense, to do things as they saw fit. In my buddies case, the wife was under the same pressure, but her attachment (largely true of most women, not all) to her parents caused her to side with them after some time, hence the long term counseling and maintaining their "relationship" for the children. If you can't get out of that situation, then do your best to shorten the time frame.

Sit down with your wife and build a budget. Stick to it. Budgeting is something that a lot of folks never figure out, and it will leave you living paycheck-to-paycheck for a long time. I would suggest that you and your wife go through Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University. I've personally seen this program put friends and family on a track that has them investing for retirement, living largely debt free (aside from the house), and sticking to a good budget. I've gone through it several times as a "course presenter" at my church.

As for jobs, regular armed security doesn't pay worth a damn. The armed security that is employed where I work makes $12/hr on the beat, and the "lead" for each shift is making $15-17/hr at best (I don't know them as well as the regular guys that stick their head in the lab and chat for a minute on rounds). Working security for MJ grows pays more, but is a pretty tight niche to get into, which means you're going to have experience to get there to start with.

While we are all here for our interest in firearms, I would suggest holding onto the G19 you have mentioned, but not buying anything else for now. Get your finances in order, get your wife and yourself on the same page as for a living situation, and start moving forward.

As someone who is only a couple years older than you, I would strongly suggest that you chase the dollar amount for jobs now, and once you are on your feet with a steady job, then you can start looking for a job that you "love". Given that you likely aren't chasing salaried/long term jobs to start with, prioritize the hourly wage over other "benefits"/"adjustments" that may be offered.

This isn't meant to be harsh, although I expect it will come across that way, so please try to read this for the actual content here, not the likely negative perception I expect.

Your responses make it sound like you have a sharp mind, and have picked up on some of the "missteps" that you have taken in life. However, it seems as if you have decided to use that knowledge as a method of deflecting from making necessary changes in your life that you don't want to. It strikes me as the alcoholic saying that "the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem... I have a problem" and then downing another beer/shot/etc...

So, as a peer of yours by age, I would strongly suggest that you not ask elders that offer advice to "cut you some slacK", but instead try and find even one small nugget in the advice given that can be applied to your life and make some changes.

Very well said.

Great-Kazoo
10-08-2020, 00:45
Why do you honestly think I outreached? To hear myself talk? I'm out of ideas, so I asked the internet. To ask the internet is a huge risk opening yourself up, so if I was so close-minded I wouldn't be asking. I'm trying to cobble it together.

Trying to cobble it together at your age.??
Sounds like an alcoholic relation of mine. You want to make some money and have some benefits. Here's a hint. Chik-Fil- A starts their employees @ $15 per hour. You can't make that $$ wearing a uniform, walking around rattling doors at some construction site.
Plus you're indoors and benefits in 60? days.


Back in the mid 80's, i'm in between jobs, after the oil bust in CO. I was tossing papers (RMN)@ 3 in the a.m to put food on the table, keep the lights on and not lose my house.. Was it something i wanted to do? FUCK NO!
BUT i sucked it up and accepted work that would pay me. Instead of asking to be cut some slack, like a whiney 10 yr old.

Sac up, put your nose to the grindstone and get a job, once you move to CO.

BushMasterBoy
10-08-2020, 02:45
Dear jenznat0r,

The most profitable work I have ever done is selling merchandise on ebay, craigs, etc. My inventory comes from yard sales, thrift stores etc. You need a camera, computer, printer & scale to weigh for postage. I learned some HTML, photography and writing skills along the way. My usual niche was military surplus and vintage militaria. But I would sell almost anything. Since I only paid pennies on the dollar, I would always undercut the other sellers and make a fast buck. Sometimes I just got things for free and sold them. I have even sold coins & tokens I found metal detecting. I sold rocks from Cripple Creek as gold ore...use your imagination.

BMB

MrPrena
10-08-2020, 08:25
^yes.
It becomes more difficult if someone does this for a full time living and hire people with warehouses.

Imagining scoring at least $300 to 400 dollar net profit average day per day for solo operation at home.

I am sure you guys knew me at first as a "belt guy" "safariland duty holster guy" or "5.11 guy" here about 10 years ago doing online price arbitrage.


One the the most impressive reseller doing this part time is a guy name Matt (part time picker).

By looking at 2 ebay stores he has, his ebay gross
Is about $16k per month. Imagine if he counts all platform such has fb marketplace, offerup, craigslist, etsy's, poshmark, amazon fba fba, etc.

He gets his merchandise about dime on a dollar.
ON TOP OF THAT, HE HAS A FULL TIME JOB.



https://youtu.be/4uT3_MryTmg