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As if I ever need an excuse to stay away from Denver, especially downtown. There's a Patriot Rally planned for 2p in Civic Center Park. The trouble makers are already saying they're going to disrupt it. Last time it didn't end so well.
Aloha_Shooter
10-08-2020, 21:18
Every day is a good day to avoid Denver.
[Coffee]
TEAMRICO
10-08-2020, 21:49
I don’t go North of Arapahoe.......
Crap - need to do a meet up to pay for some casting - maybe I will take the far east route ...
Thanks for the heads up!
I don’t go North of Arapahoe.......
I usually limit myself to Evans [Coffee]
kidicarus13
10-08-2020, 22:37
Crap - need to do a meet up to pay for some casting - maybe I will take the far east route ...
Thanks for the heads up!What are you guys paying these days with COVID and all? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201009/534f44deb342d016750ad9accce822d5.jpg
What are you guys paying these days with COVID and all? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201009/534f44deb342d016750ad9accce822d5.jpg
Lol
Bailey Guns
10-09-2020, 05:28
That was clever...
The antifa BLM crowd have already planned a “soup drive” to feed the homeless at the same time and place.
Encouraging people to bring soup for the needy.
What could go wrong?
if you get the right size soup can - they have tools to help deliver the item.
https://xproducts.com/product/can-cannon-soda-can-launcher-ar-15-m16
Updated my plans and I will take the toll road - should be easier travel on the weekend.
Fitting post for msg # 223
kidicarus13
10-09-2020, 12:34
What could go wrong?
Huh?
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hollohas
10-09-2020, 12:39
Sounds like a grand ol' peaceful time.
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TEAMRICO
10-09-2020, 12:50
The only good communist is a de..........I’ll stop there.
Bailey Guns
10-09-2020, 13:22
...communist assuming ambient temperature.
I long for the good ole days when I was in the Air Force constantly training to vaporize the bastards by the millions. Good times, good times. Sometimes I'm just a sentimental s.o.b.
hollohas
10-09-2020, 14:37
What are you all worried about? Those cans may be flying through the air, but they're leaving rainbow trails? Those flying cans symbolize LOVE. Commie love.
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JohnnyDrama
10-10-2020, 08:41
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Brought back a memory of a range day while getting my hunter safety card in Arizona 1978ish. The instructors shot a lot of soup and paint cans with different guns. They'd put a quarter under the can to see how much of an imprint was left on the bottom when the round hit it. The object of the game was to be able to read the date.
I hope nothing gets out of hand today.
I did get to see a few folks lining the overpasses with "Trump" signs. My trip thru Denver tricked me, almost zero traffic to buy the hardware...so I thought it would be safe on the way back. Well - got caught up in a massive backup due to a wreck that make stuff crawl so slow that GPS receiver said - warning you are traveling the wrong way...
DireWolf
10-10-2020, 17:02
Some commie just shot/killed a guy by the Art Museum
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/breaking-shooting-denver-protests-patriots-vs-antifa-blm-mob-two-suspects-custody/
Methinks someone's about to bite off far more than they can chew...
eddiememphis
10-10-2020, 17:08
I turned on the news at 5:02 and must have missed it. Guess it's not that important...
kidicarus13
10-10-2020, 17:12
Did not sound like a soup can
BushMasterBoy
10-10-2020, 17:27
Guy maced gun toter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xFtxWKZ3h8
I think the proportion of personality disorders and mental illness to people going to these kind of events is probably much higher than the general population.
I'm utterly amazed that this hasn't happened more often, tbh, considering the cocktail that is brewed.
Sane people usually have the sense not to go to this type of thing as well as far better things to do with the limited time we're allotted in life.
I think the proportion of personality disorders and mental illness to people going to these kind of events is probably much higher than the general population.
I'm utterly amazed that this hasn't happened more often, tbh, considering the cocktail that is brewed.
Sane people usually have the sense not to go to this type of thing as well as far better things to do with the limited time we're allotted in life.
+1 to that
https://twitter.com/i/status/1315090249404485633
Video of incident close up. Viewer discretion. Lot of N bombing by peaceful jogger of BLM peace.
Great-Kazoo
10-10-2020, 20:01
Guy maced gun toter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xFtxWKZ3h8
Why are the same people who hate them asking for help? Wayyy past time for the cops to #WALKAWAY
BushMasterBoy
10-10-2020, 20:33
The shooter was supposedly "security" hired by 9 News. Supposedly, because this information was provided by the press.
My experience is the press & the government are big fat liars. THIS COULD ALL FALSE SINCE THE SOURCE IS THE PRESS.
hollohas
10-10-2020, 21:08
The shooter was supposedly "security" hired by 9 News. Supposedly, because this information was provided by the press.
My experience is the press & the government are big fat liars. THIS COULD ALL FALSE SINCE THE SOURCE IS THE PRESS.I questioned the accuracy of this too after I read the 9news article claiming it was one of their guys. I haven't seen any evidence of media in the area in any of the videos yet.
This all very strange. Guy in a "black gun matter" shirt getting after it with the "patriot" looking folks?
Then a media security guy not involved with that altercation shoots off screen?
This is all very strange...
3beansalad
10-10-2020, 21:12
https://video.parler.com/yJ/Qx/yJQxVM5IucrD.mp4?fbclid=IwAR3Qpy_bQBve_Vn6i0C9MpeU UrdQY8T8y-QxTrI6GOatkIVCog3mVBhsxyk
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hollohas
10-10-2020, 21:12
It's also a bit telling that 9news knows exactly who the shooter is but hasn't published his identity. If it was the other way around, the shooter's identity would be published immediately.
I'm saying they should. But they most certainly would have if the shooter was identified as a conservative.
hollohas
10-10-2020, 21:28
So this is the alleged private security guy. Gun fully drawn and already recoiling the moment the mace was sprayed.
No identifiable 9news personnel to be seen anywhere in any of the videos.
Eyewitnesses immediately identified him as Antifa. Police immediately identified him as Antifa. But now he's not?
He very well may be private security hired by 9news but that doesn't mean he's not also affiliated with Antifa.
I'm looking forward to seeing what else the people of the internet will dig up about this event and this guy. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201011/ea9a8d2540b65be8a458bc7fd466300b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201011/4f8afec80e5ee4e20d340cbfcf90f192.jpg
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-10-2020, 21:35
The guy that gets shot goes off camera and is shot with in 5 seconds. My guess is that he went off frame, the shooter pulled his gun (people say you can hear him chambering a round?), the victim sprays him with mace when he sees the gun and gets capped for it.
The guy who died was very agitated with the Black Guns Matter guy, but didn’t spray him- but he goes off camera and there is spray and a shooting?
hollohas
10-10-2020, 21:46
My guess is that he went off frame, the shooter pulled his gun (people say you can hear him chambering a round?), the victim sprays him with mace when he sees the gun and gets capped for it.
I have read that some heard him chambering a round too although that's not something I can hear in video. But if that's true, 9news hires shitty private security if they don't even carry one chambered.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-10-2020, 21:50
I have read that some heard him chambering a round too although that's not something I can hear in video. But if that's true, 9news hires shitty private security if they don't even carry one chambered.
We watched the video and when I read that note, I said- he’s not one of ours ;). Had to explain it to my wife.
The dead guy sees something to his right, puts his mask on and walks that way and is shot in under 10 seconds.
hollohas
10-10-2020, 21:53
One thing I think we can all agree on...
Don't try to mace a guy who's already drawn on you. Can't win that fight.
I don't see a guy walking around with mace as reason to be pulling your gun. Much to the opposite...my guess the reason the mace was used was because a gun got pointed at the mace guy.
https://video.parler.com/yJ/Qx/yJQxVM5IucrD.mp4?fbclid=IwAR3Qpy_bQBve_Vn6i0C9MpeU UrdQY8T8y-QxTrI6GOatkIVCog3mVBhsxyk
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It seems to me like the bullet might have hit the can of mace...there could be a delay to the sound...but it seems like the cloud of mace is a result of the gunshot.
hollohas
10-10-2020, 22:03
I don't see a guy walking around with mace as reason to be pulling your gun. Much to the opposite...my guess the reason the mace was used was because a gun got pointed at the mace guy.
Agree completely.
So this is the alleged private security guy. Eyewitnesses immediately identified him as Antifa. Police immediately identified him as Antifa. But now he's not? He very well may be private security hired by 9news but that doesn't mean he's not also affiliated with Antifa.
If he is security it doesn't look like he is wearing anything identifying him as such. Wonder if he was off duty. Could be that they are trying to muddy the water by claiming he is security when he may not have been doing such at the event. Yes he could also be working discreetly but if so...what was he protecting there then...and why would he think shooting was justified against someone only visibly armed with mace.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-10-2020, 22:21
I don't see a guy walking around with mace as reason to be pulling your gun. Much to the opposite...my guess the reason the mace was used was because a gun got pointed at the mace guy.
Also remember that you need probably 2 seconds to draw from concealment. So if you hear the spray near the shot, that means the gun was drawn already.
Not good.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkBohxAXgAAbm9M?format=jpg&name=medium
It would be telling to see the unedited video that these stills where taken from. It would tell the story completely along with the other video already available.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-11-2020, 00:47
Not good.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkBohxAXgAAbm9M?format=jpg&name=medium
For whom? Getty has released 4 pics, and they are shown out of order.
Looks to me like the shooter is trying to assault the victim, and getting a bitch slap for it. The other three show them squaring off, the shooter drawn and the guy going down. From positioning, the guy who got show was retreating.
1. The pics are being shown out of order
2. My guess is there are more pics, but they don’t Tell the right story.
I'd say it turned out pretty crappy for the deceased. That's why they need to release the unedited video. Still too much speculation at this point. Can't stand the left's agenda. But it doesn't pay to go do stupid shit either. Nothing good is coming from squaring off and screaming at each other. Regardless of my feelings bringing bear spray to a gunfight is foolish. I don't see a lot of self discipline from the deceased. Hate it, but this incident is not cut and dried for me.
Shooter has tattoo identified with antifa. Not that what I think really matters but it appears to me that the "security guard" baited the deceased into an altercation. I have a sick feeling the shooter walks.
Bottom line is, don’t put someone in the position where they have to make a decision whether to shoot or not
Don’t know all the facts yet and the shooting is VERY questionable. They need to release ALL the videos
BPTactical
10-11-2020, 06:51
https://m.imgur.com/mviLHgC
So this is the alleged private security guy. Gun fully drawn and already recoiling the moment the mace was sprayed.
No identifiable 9news personnel to be seen anywhere in any of the videos.
Eyewitnesses immediately identified him as Antifa. Police immediately identified him as Antifa. But now he's not?
He very well may be private security hired by 9news but that doesn't mean he's not also affiliated with Antifa.
I'm looking forward to seeing what else the people of the internet will dig up about this event and this guy. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201011/ea9a8d2540b65be8a458bc7fd466300b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201011/4f8afec80e5ee4e20d340cbfcf90f192.jpg
Guy in blue seen in other photos I believe was 9 news guy. They go to these things and try to blend in. The shooter I dont doubt may have been pinkerton, like most security companies I don't have a high opinion. Online folks have been diving into this guy already. Basically was an occupy movement/bernie / jill stein guy. Nerdy ass space invaders tattoo on his wrist. For a second that was tied to some antifa photo but kinda debunked.
One news report cited 2 guns recovered from this incident. Not sure if an ankle gun or I saw one random facebook comment (so grain of salt) say that the black guy being a cocksucker was suposedly with the 9news/guard.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-11-2020, 07:10
https://m.imgur.com/mviLHgC
Yep, good breakdown. Before pictures being released or intentionally sequenced to make the ceased look like the attacker, but when I put in the right sequence in with right now sis it does not look good for the shooter. Even if Han Solo Maced first, he’s going to have a hard time arguing that he feared for his life when they were police all around and the guy was only spraying him with pepper spray.
Those images are not from video but still photos from a Denver Post photographer fyi. Every source has identified the suspect as a security guard from Pinkerton hired by 9. There is a HALO camera at the scene of the shooting that hopefully will provide the info the DA needs to proceed with whatever charges they feel they can get a prosecution from if warranted.
hollohas
10-11-2020, 07:15
The guy in blue shirt and black knee pads in these pictures was the 2nd individual that was initially taken into custody I think. He's seen face down being cuffed after the police show up.
9new confirmed their "reporter" was the 2nd person taken into custody and later released. So, the blue shirt guy is likely their reporter.
Does he look like press to anyone?
Knee pads are sometimes used by photojournalists, but he doesn't have camera equipment.
We can see a Denver Post photographer in pictures and video. That journalist is wearing a hiviz vest with press marking, not trying to blend in. The traditional press typically DOESN'T try to blend in because they don't want to get caught up in possible arrests, etc. Blue shirt guy has no visible press markings.
Knee pads are also common amongst antifa rioters. Blue shirt guy looks a lot more like a rioter then he does a 9news journalist.
9’s website says the second party detained, big difference from being arrested, was a producer with their investigative unit and that the company has routinely hired private security to escort their staff when covering the protests. I can imagine the victim’s family pursuing a lawsuit against Pinkerton, the guard and perhaps 9.
Last half of this video covers some of the 9news people being cozy/supporting antifa etc.
https://youtu.be/DWCYBQ1WWXI
that "commie" was a security guard for the news crew. multiple weapons were recovered at the scene as per fox news...
Can follow this thread for a bunch of stuff from the internet getting reposted.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Leftist-Shoots-Patriot-Point-Blank-Today-in-Denver/5-2377570/?page=30
BPTactical
10-11-2020, 08:08
Interesting observations from that other site:
1. Mulatto/black guy with "Black Guns Matter" shirt is arguing with "patriots." We don't know how that started or what it's about, however there is news footage of the exact same mulatto/black guy in a fight at a Colorado Bernie rally and according to that news broadcast, the mulatto/black guy was "security" at that rally. Mulatto/black guy is extremely belligerent in this argument with the "patriots."
2. Mace carrying "patriot" moves away from Mulatto/black guy and in the direction of "security guy" (who we don't initially see). Mace carrying "patriot" is then seen dropping like a sack of marbles as a shot rings out.
3. Hi-res photos show "security guy's" pistol already ejecting a spent casing as Mace carrying "patriot's" mace can is spraying. Mace carrying "patriot" already has bullet in him and is likely dead before he completes the act of falling backward.
4. "Security guy" has some sort of known political statement tattoo on his wrist, likely a leftist message.
5. Anqueefa has previously stated that the same News9 station that hired "security guy" also has a reporter/employee that they consider to be one of their own and would be "protected" by Anqueefa.
6. Denver police have stated that the "security guy" has no connection to Anqueefa.
Personally, this looks like a setup and the Mulatto/black guy with the BGM shirt was in on it.
hollohas
10-11-2020, 08:21
Personally, this looks like a setup and the Mulatto/black guy with the BGM shirt was in on it.
The antifa social media sites have been very actively encouraging their members to dress like "patriots" to create misinformation. Makes me wonder if the Black Guns Matter shirt doesn't represent the true opinions of the man wearing it.
BPTactical
10-11-2020, 09:46
Ironic- vote our way or die83360
battlemidget
10-11-2020, 09:50
Looks like a failed strip and some hand fighting preceded the shot.
83361
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2020, 10:57
Probably just another human sacrifice to quell the unrest. This kind of action surely quieted Kenosha. The press will show the deceased to have a significant criminal history. The shooter obviously has a clean record and was cleared by corporate. It has to be extremely expensive for the .gov and businesses to deal with this pattern of unrest. If you mess with the bottom line of a corporate oligarchy that is partners with the military industrial complex, you will surely see more of this kind of violence.
JohnnyEgo
10-11-2020, 11:10
Stacking consequences of looking for trouble. It is one thing to be prepared for it. It is yet another to go looking for it. I have only two observations based on the limited and confusing information currently available:
1. It's been a long, long time and another state since I've been an armed security guard, so things might have changed. But when I did work armed security Florida, we were required to carry company issued firearms, and absolutely not permitted to carry our own personal firearms. And even then, we were fairly limited in what the company could assign us. That's a pretty tactical looking setup for what I remember of private armed security.
2. Regarding who shows up as private security. When I worked it, people fell into two broad buckets most of the time. Those for whom it was the means to an end, and those for whom it was the end. I had a lot of very strange coworkers, even for Florida, and I was fascinated someone at my company trusted some of them enough to give them a gun. So if this guy turns out to be both affiliated with a radical group and on contract for private security, this will not surprise me in the least.
Aloha_Shooter
10-11-2020, 11:12
Are those supposed to be knee pads on the blue shirt guy? They look more like neoprene braces to me.
How ever this shakes out WRT prosecuting the shooter (or not), the Left is going to use it to push for gun control.
How ever this shakes out WRT prosecuting the shooter (or not), the Left is going to use it to push for gun control.
That's their agenda. Nothing else matters. They'll use opportunities to advance that agenda, but it's always there.
https://youtu.be/DWCYBQ1WWXI
Was it FN 509?
Btw regardless of right or left, no one won fighting. One is dead and one is going to jail (possibly prison for a long time).
This thread was right on the spot. Avoid Denver on Saturday.
Shooters twitter says he sold honey at the tannergun show back in 2017 with his wife.
Something to remember and depress you all...
Even if the shooter stone-cold-pulled a gun and shot his political opponent...
Think about this. In a jury of 12 of his "peers", in that area, what's the statistical probability that 1/12 will have the opinion that "the political opponent deserved to die for thinking that way". How many DA's and attorneys are now also operating politically as well.
In the best of circumstance here, where a DA pursues it hard, the chance of a hung jury is still quite high, and he will probably escape any major punishment beyond having to deal with the extensive court process and costs of that, which when someone throws up a "gofundme" he'll end up profiting handsomely upon.
That's how divided and f'ed our nation has become.
battlemidget
10-11-2020, 13:06
https://youtu.be/DWCYBQ1WWXI
The last 5 seconds of that video were outstanding.
Aloha_Shooter
10-11-2020, 13:20
Shooters twitter says he sold honey at the tannergun show back in 2017 with his wife.
So what? We've already established that shooters are not some uniform hive mind, that we have shooters in our community who are Republicans, Libertarians, and out-right loons Democrats. The fact someone sold honey at a ready market tells me nothing about his/her political beliefs (other than they like making money), extremism, temperament, or willingness to use a clash like this as an excuse for what seems to be cold-blooded murder.
If the shooter is a Leftist, I suspect the MSM and Denver DA will try to find some way to protect him from the normal legal processes. If he didn't support Biden-Harris, I expect he'd get the book thrown at him. Either way, they'll scream the whole event wouldn't have happened if "gun control".
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2020, 13:22
https://youtu.be/DWCYBQ1WWXI
The comments show how deluded the public is. I would have grabbed my protectee's and insisted we leave the area. No paycheck is going to be worth the hassle he now has to endure. Really bad training. Jury would be much more sympathetic if shooter & party were outnumbered and cornered. I'm sure 9news and Pinkerton have deep pockets for lawyers. Fleeing from a bad situation is rarely prosecuted even if harm is caused by such fleeing. The jeep that fled the protesters on I-225 was not charged. I'm glad the OP posted the warning, I could see my dumbass walking into this...
Was it FN 509?
Btw regardless of right or left, no one won fighting. One is dead and one is going to jail (possibly prison for a long time).
This thread was right on the spot. Avoid Denver on Saturday.
Some clear pics, just a blinged out glock. The getty images are amazing high rez, if you find the original quality version, you can see the casing clearly etc.
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2020, 13:48
Deceased is known as "Lee Keltner" according to NY Post.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/man-shot-dead-at-denver-rally-identified-as-military-veteran/
https://youtu.be/upd0DcOanIo
Something to remember and depress you all...
Even if the shooter stone-cold-pulled a gun and shot his political opponent...
Think about this. In a jury of 12 of his "peers", in that area, what's the statistical probability that 1/12 will have the opinion that "the political opponent deserved to die for thinking that way". How many DA's and attorneys are now also operating politically as well.
In the best of circumstance here, where a DA pursues it hard, the chance of a hung jury is still quite high, and he will probably escape any major punishment beyond having to deal with the extensive court process and costs of that, which when someone throws up a "gofundme" he'll end up profiting handsomely upon.
That's how divided and f'ed our nation has become.
Accurate. And getting him convicted in front of a liberal Denver County jury...think Kilmer, Lane, and Newman will be on this?
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2020, 15:18
A history of the Pinkertons from the NY Post. Pinkertons were protecting presidents before secret service. Oh, the irony!
https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/the-pinkertons-are-older-than-fbi-once-saved-abraham-lincoln/
eddiememphis
10-11-2020, 15:30
From the Pinkerton website-
With the risk landscape constantly changing, organizations around the globe choose Pinkerton to provide reliable security and protection. We are equipped to meet all logistical challenges regardless of event size or complexity. Our situational analysis identifies and manages variable security factors, while our team accesses local resources to prepare effective contingency plans. Safety is our priority.
This clown did not have the skills, experience, or the know-how to do something like plain-clothes executive protection. His body language screams "I'm carrying" the way his right arm is held away from his body.
I won't be surprised to see Pinkerton distance themselves from this shit show very quickly.
9News has some 'splaining to do.
I won't be surprised to see the shooter prosecuted. His actions are going to be very difficult to explain away to a jury.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8828259/Patriot-Muster-protester-slaps-TV-crews-security-guard-fires-mace-shot-dead.html
Questions about Dolloff's employment with Pinkerton emerged on Sunday after FOX31 contacted Denver's Department of Excise and Licensing, which said that no one by his name has ever been registered as an active security guard in the city.
Pinkerton did not immediately return DailyMail.com's request for comment. Denver is one of three cities in Colorado that requires licenses for security guards.
I bet he did not have a Denver merchant guard license. Without that, he cannot work inside the city of denver.
I bet he did not have a Denver merchant guard license. Without that, he cannot work inside the city of denver.
People are saying there is no record of him having the proper Denver licensing.
hollohas
10-11-2020, 16:11
So 9News, a DENVER based outlet, hires contract security not licensed in Denver??? I'll be curious to find out if this guy is licensed anywhere.
Any statement from Pickerton confirming he worked for them?
Oh boy, I see lawsuits everywhere over this.
So 9News, a DENVER based outlet, hires contract security not licensed in Denver??? I'll be curious to find out if this guy is licensed anywhere.
Any statement from Pickerton confirming he worked for them?
Oh boy, I see lawsuits everywhere over this.
Here is my suspicion on how this went down. 9 news wants an in in the protests. Contacts antifa and requests to get a person in to film. Promises to be their mouthpiece and only positively promote antifa. They say yes...but the news person has to have a babysitter. They require 9news hire their person to act as chaperone, personal security, and handler...
Zundfolge
10-11-2020, 16:32
Here is my suspicion on how this went down. 9 news wants an in in the protests. Contacts antifa and requests to get a person in to film. Promises to be their mouthpiece and only positively promote antifa. They say yes...but the news person has to have a babysitter. They require 9news hire their person to act as chaperone, personal security, and handler...
That makes the most sense.
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2020, 16:37
Whoever he is, he is a hell of a shooter. Being maced in the face and a one shot, one kill. Resume' is reading IT guy, actions show professional training. Wonder if he was wearing a vest? Or on the payroll? Was the deceased part of a plot? I know they arrested some plotters over a kidnap plan on a governor recently. It is a known fact that COVID-19 causes neurological problems. WTF was I thinking retiring in CO?
I could see myself in the Florida Keys busy drinking & fishing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rY8Pb8jrcQ
This clown did not have the skills, experience, or the know-how to do something like plain-clothes executive protection. His body language screams "I'm carrying" the way his right arm is held away from his body.
I won't be surprised to see Pinkerton distance themselves from this shit show very quickly.
9News has some 'splaining to do.
I won't be surprised to see the shooter prosecuted. His actions are going to be very difficult to explain away to a jury.
Shooter probably paid like $100-300 for those doofus PSD/Exe protection classes held at a local shooting range. It must even been a dumb one. Real PSD/ep people go to Semesters of SCHOOL (not sissy 1-2day class) to learn those. Those real school usually lure military guys who gets those mil grant to pay for those. I even think those real legit SCHOOLS are kinda shady.
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2020, 17:15
Secret Service school vid...they train in NM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8474PcH-eXY
hollohas
10-11-2020, 17:55
... actions show professional training.
Highly disagree. Professionals don't shoot people in the face in situations like that.
And a head shot, from like 6 feet, when you've already drawn, mace sprayed a millisecond earlier and barely started to reach you, isn't some kind of awesome performance.
The guy has obviously put a bit trigger time in but it's also obvious he hasn't done much if any force-on-force scenario based training that would earn him a "professional" label and teach him getting bitch slapped is no reason to draw a gun.
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2020, 18:13
I meant intelligence community training. Not POST training. Not what they teach in Golden either. Definitely not what they teach at Pueblo Community College. Reeks of Domestic...
Whoever he is, he is a hell of a shooter. Being maced in the face and a one shot, one kill. Resume' is reading IT guy, actions show professional training. Wonder if he was wearing a vest? Or on the payroll? Was the deceased part of a plot? I know they arrested some plotters over a kidnap plan on a governor recently. It is a known fact that COVID-19 causes neurological problems. WTF was I thinking retiring in CO?
I could see myself in the Florida Keys busy drinking & fishing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rY8Pb8jrcQ
It was point blank. As long as he didn't spas his arm out after getting maced, he had damn good odds of hitting the other guy.
eddiememphis
10-11-2020, 19:58
Haven't heard from the 9news producer that was detained. The guy that was supposed to need the guarding.
hollohas
10-11-2020, 19:59
The city confirmed the shooter wasn't licensed security.
The interwebs have yet to turn up any evidence of this guy having any sort of history or career in security. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
It has confirmed he's a committed lefty.
Pinkerton has been silent.
This sure is interesting...
hollohas
10-11-2020, 20:00
Haven't heard from the 9news producer that was detained. The guy that was supposed to need the guarding.This is him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/zacknewsman?lang=en
3beansalad
10-11-2020, 20:03
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158864722687700&id=42872222699
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hollohas
10-11-2020, 20:18
I meant intelligence community training. Not POST training. Not what they teach in Golden either. Definitely not what they teach at Pueblo Community College. Reeks of Domestic...Could be.
As I watch what happened there, it's clear to me this guy didn't exhibit typical executive protection type behavior, which this sort of gig is similar. Those pros are all about risk mitigation, identifying potentially bad situations and getting their VIPs the hell outta there if shit is hitting the fan. They don't try to intervene in situations not related to their VIP. The 9News producer this guy was securing was not involved in the altercation. A pro would have moved the 9news producer out of there.
I've seen more than a few videos of private security following journalists in Portland and elsewhere during this stuff. When things start to get violent, the traditional journo's scoot. That's why folks like Andy Ngo always seem to have the more accurate information. They don't have security making them get out.
This guy had some gun training, but my guess is little else. He had so little with regards to security training he wasn't even licensed.
Anyone think Pinkerton is so really, really super dumb that they contract out unlicensed guys? Simple oversight? Negligence? Or something else entirely?
I retract my earlier post.... it’s looking more and more like some fishy business is going on here and most certainly looks like some flavor of murder charge is warranted here
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dolloff-denver-security-guard/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&fbclid=IwAR0qmIEofWpuMIAvubjXyHoroO-eBmynpAU2sNowXA474oq2D5CbEYHSW2Y
Could be.
As I watch what happened there, it's clear to me this guy didn't exhibit typical executive protection type behavior, which this sort of gig is similar. Those pros are all about risk mitigation, identifying potentially bad situations and getting their VIPs the hell outta there if shit is hitting the fan. They don't try to intervene in situations not related to their VIP. The 9News producer this guy was securing was not involved in the altercation. A pro would have moved the 9news producer out of there.
I've seen more than a few videos of private security following journalists in Portland and elsewhere during this stuff. When things start to get violent, the traditional journo's scoot. That's why folks like Andy Ngo always seem to have the more accurate information. They don't have security making them get out.
This guy had some gun training, but my guess is little else. He had so little with regards to security training he wasn't even licensed.
Anyone think Pinkerton is so really, really super dumb that they contract out unlicensed guys? Simple oversight? Negligence? Or something else entirely?
He is likely the guy antifa assigned to be the handler for 9news. Basically the one who made sure 9news was left alone but also made sure 9news only reported what antifa wanted reported.
And now I am hearing that Pinkerton has no one by that name employed. I know...huge surprise.
Great-Kazoo
10-11-2020, 22:40
I bet he did not have a Denver merchant guard license. Without that, he cannot work inside the city of denver.
Licensed?
1/2 the food / taco truck vendors in the city and cty, have people working for them. Not only not licensed, but legal, either. That's never stopped them from working there. This is antifa we're talking about. They don't need no steenkin license.
Whoever he is, he is a hell of a shooter. Being maced in the face and a one shot, one kill. Resume' is reading IT guy, actions show professional training. Wonder if he was wearing a vest? Or on the payroll? Was the deceased part of a plot? I know they arrested some plotters over a kidnap plan on a governor recently. It is a known fact that COVID-19 causes neurological problems. WTF was I thinking retiring in CO?
I could see myself in the Florida Keys busy drinking & fishing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rY8Pb8jrcQ
A hell of a shooter. ??[LOL] At that range with a gun already drawn, sporting a RDS. Please. Stevie Wonder could have made that shot.
That now deceased guy was set up. If it wasn't his ticket, being punched. There was a good chance, someone else was getting theirs.
Anyone who thinks antifa and the BLM crew are not being trained by foreign, and or domestic backers, is asleep at the wheel.
The shit we've seen is merely cannon fodder, till the serious guys arrive.
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2020, 22:57
I saw the video. The orange cloud appeared before the gunshot. So hit in the face, then maced and then the shooter fired. Just do the forensics. I predict he is going to walk. I also predict Trump is going to lose. I'll bring this thread up again November.
Great-Kazoo
10-11-2020, 23:04
I saw the video. The orange cloud appeared before the gunshot. So hit in the face, then maced and then the shooter fired. Just do the forensics. I predict he is going to walk. I also predict Trump is going to lose. I'll bring this thread up again November.
IMO the orange cloud was in response to the pistol being raised towards him. Just like Kyle shooting Mr paramedic, with his pistol drawn. Only Kyle had a better defensive option.
November? Not likely. This one's going to SCOTUS.
Approx 3 months before the D's use that 25th amendment pelosi mentioned. To remove biden (if he wins) seating harris in the OHval office .
If trump wins (oops) gets a majority of SCOTUS votes. Expect this shit in the streets to really go full tilt.
I'll remind you of these last two post. In march ;)
Great-Kazoo
10-11-2020, 23:10
I saw the video. The orange cloud appeared before the gunshot. So hit in the face, then maced and then the shooter fired. Just do the forensics. I predict he is going to walk. I also predict Trump is going to lose. I'll bring this thread up again November.
https://www.denverpost.com/
scrolling 1/2 way down that page. Looks damn clear that pistol was levelled before that orange mist hit him. Hell the shooters eye[s] are open. Not looking like any of that was effecting him, at that moment.
But who knows the truth. Outside us armchair quarterbacks.
"Two men clash during a protest in Downtown Denver on Oct. 10, 2020 in Denver. The man on the left side of the photo was supporting the "Patriot Rally" and sprayed mace at the man on the right side of the image. The man at right, then shot and killed the protester at left."
What journalistic fuckery is this?
A casing can clearly be seen and like GK said, eyes open.
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2020, 00:10
The deceased was clearly looking for a fight before he was shot. And the video is evidence of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xg9GLr36Ao
.455_Hunter
10-12-2020, 00:25
The deceased and the BGM guy were having a grand old penis measuring contest, but the escalation with the shooter was almost instantaneous.
Given the video, the fact that the deceased was charged in 2016 for Disorderly Conduct/Fighting in Public is not surprising. He probably was somewhat of a hot head, but his family will probably clear seven figures out of Tegna.
The guy walking with the double canes is definitely picked the wrong time and place for a stroll.
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2020, 00:50
"Colorado Court records show Keltner?s criminal history dates back several decades. His most recent charge came in 2016 for Disorderly Conduct/Fighting in Public. In 2008, he pleaded guilty to violating a protection order."
https://kdvr.com/news/local/shock-and-surprise-as-friends-learn-identity-of-man-killed-at-denver-rally/
BPTactical
10-12-2020, 05:39
When assholes collide
Bailey Guns
10-12-2020, 05:48
When assholes collide
Exactly. Pretty sure this isn't even registering on my "give a damn" meter. Too many bad things happening to too many good people for me to be concerned about either of these knuckleheads.
When assholes collide
That's how I'm reading it so far.
I also noticed something else. The communists support and defend each other, the guys that are supposedly on the "right" side don't.
Why would anyone want to attend an event where one team supports their teammates and the other team doesn't support theirs.
I keep reading about the III, or 3 percenters, or Oathkeepers. Where are they? Or are they just full of shit like every other "patriot" group.
Bailey Guns
10-12-2020, 07:23
^^ I hear what you're saying... But maybe those guys (3%'ers, Oathkeepers, etc) have enough sense to stay away from nonsense like this. Like most of us do.
eddiememphis
10-12-2020, 08:38
3%er principal
"3. No First Use of Force - "Don't fire unless fired upon". We are not the aggressor nor
antagonist. We are purely defensive and only as a last resort."
I don't think the victim was a member.
^^ I hear what you're saying... But maybe those guys (3%'ers, Oathkeepers, etc) have enough sense to stay away from nonsense like this. Like most of us do.
I watched a 3% “training weekend” video. I’ve seen more tactical behavior from Iraqi army dudes. It was like F troop’s outtakes.
^^ I hear what you're saying... But maybe those guys (3%'ers, Oathkeepers, etc) have enough sense to stay away from nonsense like this. Like most of us do.
IIRC, Steffan Tubbs was promoting this event and breathlessly repeating "we have to show up".
There is ZERO good reason to attend these events, ZERO.
Now, if you want to get arrested for defending yourself, these events are an excellent opportunity for that. The only reason Mr. Asshole didn't get arrested is because he got himself killed.
Watching the video posted on the last page, it looks like the dead guy was like just roaming from fight to fight, trying to start shit and piss everyone off.
It really is funny seeing the difference biases change how we see the same video's. Don't get me wrong, I dont think victim was afraid of getting in faces and mouthing off like you see at every protest vs protest situation over the last few years. But I don't see him as instigating nearly as much as BLM guy disguising himself to slip past police into the patriot area was.
It really is funny seeing the difference biases change how we see the same video's. Don't get me wrong, I dont think victim was afraid of getting in faces and mouthing off like you see at every protest vs protest situation over the last few years. But I don't see him as instigating nearly as much as BLM guy disguising himself to slip past police into the patriot area was.
I didn't notice that...
It would be part of their game plan, especially if they think they're immune from prosecution.
.455_Hunter
10-12-2020, 14:39
I wonder what was specifically communicated to between the deceased and shooter in the second or two before the hand-to-hand sparing occurred? Why did they engage each other?
When assholes collide
IIRC, Steffan Tubbs was promoting this event and breathlessly repeating "we have to show up".
There is ZERO good reason to attend these events, ZERO.
Now, if you want to get arrested for defending yourself, these events are an excellent opportunity for that. The only reason Mr. Asshole didn't get arrested is because he got himself killed.
^ THIS
It takes 2 hands to make a clapping sound.
I don't care they are right or left wing nut wack tin foil group. You can leave the damn attitude at a basement. If someone has a energy to fuck around there with OC/Bearsprak/Bing-Glock that look ZEVed out, you have time to cold canvas local state federal level of republican candidates (or whatever your party is). Both parties need volunteers with full coordination with the election office or state/county party office.
Common logic. If someone brings Armenian Flag and wave around honking the horn at Azerbaijani Territory, they will most likely get shot.
If Azerbaijani does the same at Armenian territory, same consequences.
I wonder what was specifically communicated to between the deceased and shooter in the second or two before the hand-to-hand sparing occurred? Why did they engage each other?
Some theorized that he was actually running to the cops 50 feet behind the cameraman. That's the biggest mystery still what made him suddenly disengage from the clear threat of sorts to go after milquetoast white boys.
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2020, 15:14
There is some evidence that the deceased was also carrying a firearm. I saw photos on the interwebz. Looked concealed under left arm. Maybe that was why two firearms reported. Maybe shooter saw firearm and demeanor of deceased and figured to get first shot in. Maybe the press will report what really went down?
Maybe the press will report what really went down?
Right...sorry...not buying it. I was in jr high when I began to spot their lies.
Bailey Guns
10-12-2020, 16:53
Right...sorry...not buying it. I was in jr high when I began to spot their lies.
So was I. And that was in the early 70s. A lying press/media isn't anything new...it's just more blatant and obvious now.
BladesNBarrels
10-12-2020, 16:59
First reports from FOX, Channel 31, the reporter was standing in front of the screen showing the still of the pistol with the slide back and the spray in the air.
Both principals were in action.
She announced excitedly, Another shooting of someone in police custody!
Huh?
Then the next slide came up showing the Channel 9 producer in blue shirt and shorts with handcuffs, and she went on, again excitement in her voice, the Shooter was immediately arrested.
Nope, not the shooter.
There is some evidence that the deceased was also carrying a firearm. I saw photos on the interwebz. Looked concealed under left arm. Maybe that was why two firearms reported. Maybe shooter saw firearm and demeanor of deceased and figured to get first shot in. Maybe the press will report what really went down?
No evidence, you can see it in the vest in some pics. They retrieved 2 guns at scene. If you look at the stills his fingers were inside the dudes vest at one point on the non carry side. Without the guy going for the gun, zero reason to draw and pop him.
I just looked up "Inciting a riot". Why aren't these SOB clowns being charged with that? It's illegal, period.
I would love to meet up with that BGM matters punk without cameras around. Pretty sure he would piss his pants and Uber back to Mommy.
It's too bad this ever happened. These 'peaceful protests' could have been quelled months ago by a Democratic Mayor and Governor. Instead, they let it fester and grow.
9 news, Hickenlooper, Polis, our pimp Mayor and the DPD big shots. You F-d up big time and people will not forget it. Good luck getting out of this, youll need it.
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2020, 20:22
83383
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/11/922805587/1-person-dead-in-shooting-that-followed-day-of-far-right-far-left-rallies-in-den
Where did the second gun come from?
83383
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/11/922805587/1-person-dead-in-shooting-that-followed-day-of-far-right-far-left-rallies-in-den
Where did the second gun come from?
They both could have been on the same person.
eddiememphis
10-12-2020, 20:39
83383
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/11/922805587/1-person-dead-in-shooting-that-followed-day-of-far-right-far-left-rallies-in-den
Where did the second gun come from?
Is there a grassy knoll nearby?
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2020, 20:47
Sounds reasonable. Deceased with restraining order and other criminal history, did not have a gun while attending right wing rally. He did not have a gun because he was "pro police". This reminds me of the craigslist ad for the 2019 Jeep in great condition for $ 4.900. ALL I HAVE TO DO IS WESTERN UNION THE MONEY. We should do a group buy, because they have more than one!
How's the cough syrup tonight?
More questions about Denver shooting: Pinkerton security firm says the suspect was NOT an employee (https://www.rt.com/usa/503208-pinkerton-denver-shooting-security-dolloff/)
The man accused of fatally shooting a protester in Denver was not an employee of the firm that contracted him, the company said. The gunman, who had been hired by a news channel to provide security, lacked proper licensing.
Private security guard, Matthew Dolloff, was contracted through a third-party firm by Pinkerton, but was not an actual employee, the company clarified in a statement, cited by 9NEWS. Pinkerton did not disclose the name of Dolloff’s regular employer. “The agent in question is not a Pinkerton employee. Pinkerton is fully cooperating with law enforcement authorities in their investigation of this matter,” the statement says as quoted.
Dolloff, 30, was contracted to protect 9NEWS staff, an NBC-affiliated television station in Denver, Colorado, as the station covered rivaling Black Lives Matter and “Patriot Muster” demonstrations in the city on Saturday. The security guard is accused of shooting and killing US Navy veteran Lee Keltner after a brief altercation with the conservative protester. Dolloff was arrested on suspicion of first-degree murder.
Something doesn't smell right and I still have questions.
Great-Kazoo
10-12-2020, 22:55
More questions about Denver shooting: Pinkerton security firm says the suspect was NOT an employee (https://www.rt.com/usa/503208-pinkerton-denver-shooting-security-dolloff/)
Something doesn't smell right and I still have questions.
You can bet Pinkerton's room full of lawyers, are happy to answer them, eventually.
There's more CYA'ing on this, than at a mens shower in prison.
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2020, 23:25
How's the cough syrup tonight?
I dunno, I was thinking of buying a Corvette and moving back to South Florida. Maybe doing some fishing. It is nice there in the winter.
eddiememphis
10-13-2020, 08:18
9news could be liable
https://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2020/10/12/9-news-could-face-criminal-action-after-unlicensed-security-guard-gunned-down-conservative-activist/
Highlights-
"...9News, Pinkerton, and the subcontractor Pinkerton paid for Dolloff?s services, could all face civil and criminal penalties for ?permitting or directing an unlicensed person to perform security services.?"
"If 9News? irresponsible actions contributed to Lee Keltner?s death, they could actually face both civil and criminal penalties."
I'm sure the first calls were to the lawyers and the second to their insurance carrier.
Aloha_Shooter
10-13-2020, 08:19
Why exactly would he have been contracted through Pinkerton but not be an employee? Why would Pinkerton supply someone that wasn't an actual employee? Something shady with 9News ... always figured they were trash but this get curiouser and curiouser.
eddiememphis
10-13-2020, 08:21
Why exactly would he have been contracted through Pinkerton but not be an employee? Why would Pinkerton supply someone that wasn't an actual employee?
They said he was a subcontractor through another company.
On the Pinkerton website they tout working closely with local governments during their protection services. Guess not this time.
I can’t believe the Pinkerton lawyers admitted they hired the subcontractor. That makes them liable.
Frame by frame, 71 images w/time stamps: https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/12/denver-protest-shooting-photos-full-sequence/
Good analysis by Greg Ellifritz: https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-denver-pepper-spray-shooting
Great-Kazoo
10-13-2020, 09:02
Frame by frame, 71 images w/time stamps: https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/12/denver-protest-shooting-photos-full-sequence/
Good analysis by Greg Ellifritz: https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-denver-pepper-spray-shooting
As i read the sparse stories in the DP. As well as watched the videos. I am now more convinced the left / antifa has stepped up their game. Notice the exchange between the BGM shirt guy and the now deceased.
Looks very similar, if not the same scenario between Kyle and the former pedo, in kenosha.
Both picking a potential target to draw in to the trap. Only in denver they lucked out, that guy took the bait.
Another observation is. While the DP has a frame x frame account. Nowhere was there anyone doing the same, during the initial contact. With the BGM guy, who i am now labelling "The Bait"
buffalobo
10-13-2020, 09:05
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/breaking-exclusive-agitator-involved-saturdays-murder-denver-jacob-kelly-leader-antifa-blm-denver/
BGM guy is ANTIFA/BLM "leader" in Denver.
It has been claimed that BGM guy, security gaurd and TV producer were huddled together "plotting" just before incident.
buffalobo
10-13-2020, 09:07
Jacob Kelly has been an ANTIFA/BLM agitator causing violence from the beginning.
Edit - Media reports have changed from Jacob Kelly to Jeremiah Elliot as BGM guy identity.
eddiememphis
10-13-2020, 09:15
So it goes like this?
9news producer to BLM guy- Hey, go talk shit to someone, try to get them to fight. Don't worry, we have an armed guard to take care of any problems. Just go start something so we get some sweet video.
Arrest affidavit
https://kdvr.com/news/local/official-court-documents-released-in-deadly-shooting-at-civic-center-rally/
Based on the witnesses description, it doesn’t appear that the shooters life was in danger of serious bodily injury at any point.
BushMasterBoy
10-13-2020, 10:51
Affidavit seems well written and clear. If the shooter smacked the deceased, I'd say hang him with murder 1. But the shooter was obviously attacked. And the affidavit does not tell the whole story. A conviction could set a bad precedent. And a conviction overturned could be really expensive for the state. I could go on ad nauseum about this case.83388
https://kdvr.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/10/Dolloff-Matthew-PC.pdf
Affidavit seems well written and clear. If the shooter smacked the deceased, I'd say hang him with murder 1. But the shooter was obviously attacked. And the affidavit does not tell the whole story. A conviction could set a bad precedent. And a conviction overturned could be really expensive for the state. I could go on ad nauseum about this case.83388
https://kdvr.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/10/Dolloff-Matthew-PC.pdf
I noticed right away the fact that Doloff reached for the can of OC spray in Keltner’s hand which was down at his side just prior to Keltner striking Doloff with an open hand was left out. Seems pretty relevant, considering Doloff is almost assuredly going to claim self defense.
Little Dutch
10-13-2020, 11:49
I noticed right away the fact that Doloff reached for the can of OC spray in Keltner’s hand which was down at his side just prior to Keltner striking Doloff with an open hand was left out. Seems pretty relevant, considering Doloff is almost assuredly going to claim self defense.
I haven't watched the video, but this is the first time I've seen anyone even mention it. It certainly wasn't in any of the news reports I read.
Off to watch the video now...
You can see Doloff reaching for Keltner’s hand which is holding the OC (not mace, BTW) in the photo where Keltner is slapping Doloff.
Not good.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkBohxAXgAAbm9M?format=jpg&name=medium
Trying to grab another man's shit and getting slapped for it doesn't really vibe with using a "self defense" claim in Colorado. And the bear mace wasn't deployed until shooter was obviously trying to clear leather.
Little Dutch
10-13-2020, 12:04
Frame by frame, 71 images w/time stamps: https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/12/denver-protest-shooting-photos-full-sequence/
Good analysis by Greg Ellifritz: https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-denver-pepper-spray-shooting
Looking at the photos, it doesn't appear the guy even attempted to bring up the pepper spray until after the shooter started to draw.
Edit: 00tec beat me to it by 2 minutes.
Correct, that was my point. That being said, it’s just an affidavit for warrantless arrest and just needs to show the elements of the crime being charged. I would think you would still include those details to counter the inevitable self defense argument. I wouldn’t call it particularly well written, though. Not terrible, but very minimal.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-13-2020, 12:17
Affidavit seems well written and clear. If the shooter smacked the deceased, I'd say hang him with murder 1. But the shooter was obviously attacked. And the affidavit does not tell the whole story. A conviction could set a bad precedent. And a conviction overturned could be really expensive for the state. I could go on ad nauseum about this case.83388
https://kdvr.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/10/Dolloff-Matthew-PC.pdf
The shooter is reaching for the canister BEFORE he gets smacked. SMACKED, open-handed. Open hand is for family members and women in my book. Could have closed fisted him to the head.
We may never know if Han Solo shot first, but it is abundantly clear that the spray was in response to the drawing of a gun- after a mutual at best (for teh shooter) single slap- which the deceased then de-escalated by retreating and not threatening the shooter. Shooter draws and the deceased in a last ditch effort to save his life, deploys the spray.
Trying to grab another man's shit and getting slapped for it doesn't really vibe with using a "self defense" claim in Colorado. And the bear mace wasn't deployed until shooter was obviously trying to clear leather.
BushMasterBoy
10-13-2020, 12:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNCxDxR78VY
HALO cams haven't been shown yet. Still no answer on the second gun. Still have to wait for toxicology report. No details on deceased criminal record. Supposedly deceased is a member of "Patriot Muster" militia. Never heard of them.
I'm sure some alphabet agency has files on this group, if they exist. Leaked sealed warrant shows me that somebody big is behind the shooter. If you fuck with those guys, they will hand you your ass.
I wonder what kind of outboard motor I should get for my fishing boat? Marine grade GPS would be nice too...
Strung together all of the Denver post photos.
Updated (may be low res for a few minutes until youtube catches up
https://youtu.be/iC1w7TR3W6U
BPTactical
10-13-2020, 14:23
Strung together all of the Denver post photos.
https://youtu.be/klJ0cQ0m24M
There is a few pics missing......
There is a few pics missing......
I did find one frame that dropped on the editor I used. Reworking now.
Looking at the denver post series, the earliest photo it looks more like a push, there isn't any indication he was reaching for the pepper spray imho.
I think the truth of the matter is, two assholes met on a sidewalk. Both were confrontational. Mr. socialist mall cop tried to push Mr. Bumpersticker, and Mr. Bumpersticker responded with an open palm slap.
Obviously, there was no risk to life, but Mr. socialist mall cop was pissed off and reacted by drawing and killing the man who slapped him.
Also, he's going to get off without successful charges. Once again, good luck getting a jury of 12 to convict any socialist who shoots someone in these riots, because several of your jurors are statistically going to be socialists that agree with them, and we're now that divided as a nation.
I'll ETA here to note: I don't have a lot of sympathy for the guy that got shot either. Both were equally as big shit-sticks, and he could easily have avoided his own death. It's not like any of us would have ever been in his shoes.
Updated (may be low res for a few minutes until youtube catches up
https://youtu.be/iC1w7TR3W6U
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1315992063448555521?s=20
The photos everyone thought were missing are out, shows him drawing after guy had backed away and wasn't pointing spray at him.
I gave credit that maybe these photos in between s the others didn't come out clear. Nope photographer seems to have wanted to help hide the full story.
battlemidget
10-13-2020, 15:15
That's a fast draw!
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1315992063448555521?s=20
The photos everyone thought were missing are out, shows him drawing after guy had backed away and wasn't pointing spray at him.
I gave credit that maybe these photos in between s the others didn't come out clear. Nope photographer seems to have wanted to help hide the full story.
They are included in my video above
Bailey Guns
10-13-2020, 16:11
From that video it DOES NOT look like a valid defensive shooting.
.455_Hunter
10-13-2020, 16:23
Are there any media (pics, video, etc) that shows how did the deceased and the shooter become engaged?
Everything I have seen is either before that time, or when they are already sparing.
ChickNorris
10-13-2020, 16:26
Fwiw if you look closely, there is a frame where the spray has been deployed & the slide is out of battery. I can even see the brass still in the air not but a few inches away between 12 & 1 o'clock.
hollohas
10-13-2020, 16:32
Are there any media (pics, video, etc) that shows how did the deceased and the shooter become engaged?
Everything I have seen is either before that time, or when they are already sparing.The 9news producer in the blue shirt surely has video or audio of this. He was there specifically to take video and had posted videos of the protest earlier in his Twitter feed. He had a phone in EACH hand during this deadly confrontation. Doesn't look like he had them pointed in the perfect direction, but maybe they were recording and have some audible clues.
If he does, I'm not surprised we haven't seen it yet. 9News is only going to provide that to investigators if it hasn't already been deleted or the police don't already have them in their possession.
ChickNorris
10-13-2020, 16:32
Re:
BushMasterBoy
10-13-2020, 17:00
Cops sure got a lot of street cameras. Too bad we can't see what they capture.
https://www.denvergov.org/maps/map/halocameras
hollohas
10-13-2020, 17:52
And here's the 9news producer's video.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/13/video-matthew-dolloff-lee-keltner-deadly-shooting-denver-protest/
https://youtu.be/4D6Ad18lFYg
Notice how the moment after the scuffle starts and the cameraman has obviously been knocked off balance a bit, it mysteriously stops recording, at the most critical moment. I'd guess he "bumped" the record button while off balance...
In any case, the video we're provided here says he stopped recording for 12 seconds...
But then somehow, while still clearly off balance again, the recording miraculously starts back up.
Huh.
Added:
The 9News producer immediately says "that guy was going to get me"... seriously, "get you"? So scary. He was going to "get" him. Not "kill" him. Not "hurt" him. Not "assault" him.
GET him.
As in, he hadn't done anything to him yet.
Also, I think it's a bit telling that he had his press pass concealed in his pocket. He didn't have it out to make it clear to everyone that he was press. Unlike the Denver Post photographer that had a hiviz vest with the word "press" on it. Why would he want to conceal the fact he was press?
Edit: updated link to CBS. Should work now. The original link that doesn't work now included the before and after videos with captions explaining that the 9news guy stopped recording for 12 seconds. Now there are two separate videos with no captions.
SideShow Bob
10-13-2020, 18:00
And here's the 9news producer's video.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/13/cell-phone-video-shows-seconds-before-and-after-protester-was-shot-at-denver-rally/
Notice how the moment after the scuffle starts, and the cameraman has obviously been knocked off balance a bit, it mysteriously stops recording, at the most critical moment. I'd guess he "bumped" the record button while off balance...
In any case, the video we're provided here says he stopped recording for 12 seconds...
But then somehow, while still clearly off balance again, the recording miraculously starts back up.
Huh.
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So much for that video........
hollohas
10-13-2020, 18:04
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Learn More ?
So much for that video........I added another direct link to the video on youtube. Hopefully that works.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-13-2020, 18:50
I still think there are fames missing. Camera can take 12 fps. Maybe he had it set on low continuous, which I guess would be 5 fps. If you sync his shots of the guy falling to video, you can get his frame rate and then look earlier. There are 3 frames of him drawing from concealment? That is a sub second draw or frames are missing..... also, the frames of him drawing were only released when it was obvious they were missing. I think there are more. But if there are 5-6 frames of him drawing, that looks realllllly bad.
2641 to 2642 there are frames missing. He goes from undrawn to getting a shot of between frames.
That
can't
Happen
They are keeping shots out that show the gun drawing with out spray in the air.
That original memory card was Clinton-ized, crushed, burned and thrown in to Cherry Creek.
hollohas
10-14-2020, 08:41
Detailed breakdown of the photos here. Definitely something fishy.
https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/10/13/photographer-for-denver-post-who-captured-murder-at-pro-trump-rally-may-have-some-issues/
BushMasterBoy
10-14-2020, 10:52
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzS3jGocnck
buffalobo
10-14-2020, 11:43
BGM guy, security guard, 9News producer and Helen Richardson conspired to provoke violent confrontations they could record to make patriots look bad and further their socialist agenda. That conspiracy resulted in murder.
.455_Hunter
10-14-2020, 11:52
I wonder who the deceased's family is looking to retain as their legal team for the coming lawsuit?
BGM guy, security guard, 9News producer and Helen Richardson conspired to provoke violent confrontations they could record to make patriots look bad and further their socialist agenda. That conspiracy resulted in murder.
Exactly.
9News set it up, how many other media outlets were in on the conspiracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzS3jGocnck
Thanks for that! It led me to other good shorts.
BushMasterBoy
10-14-2020, 12:19
In other news the event attended by the deceased is linked to this organization. They have a "Pikes Peak" chapter and a rally scheduled at Bandimere. Might want to avoid any place this group gathers. Link below for your perusal.
https://fecunited.com/uadf/
buffalobo
10-14-2020, 12:46
In other news the event attended by the deceased is linked to this organization. They have a "Pikes Peak" chapter and a rally scheduled at Bandimere. Might want to avoid any place this group gathers. Link below for your perusal.
https://fecunited.com/uadf/Why might want to avoid?
You got some beef with Lee Keltner?
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-14-2020, 15:22
Detailed breakdown of the photos here. Definitely something fishy.
https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/10/13/photographer-for-denver-post-who-captured-murder-at-pro-trump-rally-may-have-some-issues/
That is exactly what I've been saying. I know what I'm saying. Photography has been my hobby since the 80s. I don't have the D5, but I have the Canon equivalent the 1DXII and a 1DMIII. Hundreds of thousands of pictures with those 10+ FPS cameras. IF the camera lost focus it might stutter, the problem is with the fence behind, it won't lose focus. Fast prime lens also makes it unlikely. The specific settings- what happens when it loses focus will have an effect. But that is what these $6000 cameras and $1500 lenses were made for. Actually, for high speed pro sports, so it should have gotten all the pics.
Also, the 9News guy just happens to miss recording the shooting too.... I've missed a lot of shots, but not that simple of shots.
BPTactical
10-14-2020, 15:23
BGM guy, security guard, 9News producer and Helen Richardson conspired to provoke violent confrontations they could record to make patriots look bad and further their socialist agenda. That conspiracy resulted in murder.
Concur
hollohas
10-14-2020, 15:33
In other news the event attended by the deceased is linked to this organization. They have a "Pikes Peak" chapter and a rally scheduled at Bandimere. Might want to avoid any place this group gathers. Link below for your perusal.
https://fecunited.com/uadf/That's Tig Tiegen's group. They also organized the first Patriot Rally where peeps (including Michelle Malkin) got assualted by BLM and Antifa earlier this summer downtown.
BladesNBarrels
10-14-2020, 15:41
Thanks for that! It led me to other good shorts.
Reminds me of O Henry short stories on video.
Thanks for the diversion.
Useful idiot commie trash charged with 2nd degree murder
https://kdvr.com/news/local/unlicensed-security-guard-matthew-dolloff-charged-with-murder-in-the-2nd-degree/
Matthew Dolloff, the unlicensed security guard working with a 9NEWS reporting crew at a “Patriot Muster” in downtown Denver last week, will be charged with murder in the 2nd degree.
I thought McCann would figure out a way to let the useful idiot walk, guess the evidence was too overwhelming even for a sack-of-shit like her.
I hope 9mmNews, the FishWrap, the Pinkertons lose their shirts in the ensuing lawsuits.
BushMasterBoy
10-15-2020, 21:56
Still no word on the second gun...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8843569/Someone-shouted-hes-got-magazines-moments-security-guard-shot-dead-Patriot-Muster-protester.html
BushMasterBoy
10-15-2020, 22:43
The deceased was armed and menacing makes justifiable homicide. Case dismissed.
That's not how it works. Lawful use of deadly physical force requires a justifiable belief of imminent serious bodily injury. It is entirely subjective and what a jury would believe.
It does not require that the other person, possess on their body, a weapon of some kind nor is that relevant.
Where it becomes important here is the fat that the slapper was backing up. The shooter reacted out of anger, not a justifiable belief of imminent serious bodily injury.
However, statistically a jury will let him off on political lines, as a few members are likely to be hardcore socialists themselves, whose opinion won't be legal or factual, but simply "that racist deserved to die".
BushMasterBoy
10-15-2020, 23:46
If a guy with a gun hits you in the face, then maces you, what do you expect is next? Has nothing to do with politics.
The problem I see is that big corporations are possibly liable here. Big corporations have big law firms. Large sums of money are involved. They have a vested interest in the defendant being found not guilty. Reduces civil liability.
"The law is based on experience, not logic."
The mace didn't occur until after the shooter had already drawn, pointed, and most likely fired a weapon at the deceased.
If the deceased was shot as he was slapping the shooter, it could be arguable that there was a belief of imminent serious bodily injury, because there are extreme examples of people having been seriously injured.
If the deceased was shot after having already slapped the shooter, and backed away, it is no longer arguable. There was no longer a justifiable belief of imminent serious bodily injury, only rage for having been bitch slapped.
Read the pertinent statutes and some case law, the courts do not function on personal opinion. The affirmative defenses of "self-defense" do not have imaginative burdens nor is "who hit who first" in any way relevant. Nor is "corporations" relevant.
And politics is most definitely relevant to todays jury in these cases. You need a consensus to return a verdict of guilt no matter what the law is. With 25%-30% of our citizens of the opinion that "the other guys deserve to die", it is more difficult to obtain a consensus in political cases such as these.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-16-2020, 00:09
The deceased was armed and menacing makes justifiable homicide. Case dismissed.
If a guy with a gun hits you in the face, then maces you, what do you expect is next? Has nothing to do with politics.
The problem I see is that big corporations are possibly liable here. Big corporations have big law firms. Large sums of money are involved. They have a vested interest in the defendant being found not guilty. Reduces civil liability.
"The law is based on experience, not logic."
Thank you for proving that you know nothing about the facts of the case, the law, or self defense. You could have peddled your BS if there weren't pictures.
"A guy with a gun hits you in the face"- a gun you can't see, a hit that only comes after you assault him.
"Then maces you" - only after you pull a gun on him. That is beyond contestation.
The facts, the law, pound the table.
You're hands hurting yet?
I REALLY hope you don't carry a gun, for the sake of yourself and society. With your analysis and legal understanding, you are a danger.
Thank you for proving that you know nothing about the facts of the case, the law, or self defense. You could have peddled your BS if there weren't pictures.
"A guy with a gun hits you in the face"- a gun you can't see, a hit that only comes after you assault him.
"Then maces you" - only after you pull a gun on him. That is beyond contestation.
The facts, the law, pound the table.
You're hands hurting yet?
I REALLY hope you don't carry a gun, for the sake of yourself and society. With your analysis and legal understanding, you are a danger.
My exact thoughts. Thanks for taking on the burden.
I suppose if he had a sex toy in his pocket, someone might also think they were in imminent danger of being raped...
[Sarcasm2]
BushMasterBoy
10-16-2020, 01:51
I saw some pics that said the deceased had a gun. It was on social media. They had circled the area on the deceased that they said the gun was at. The social media posts were from witness's at the scene
Right now my internet is screwed up. The press is stating there were two guns found at the scene. I can't reference the sources due to this internet problem.
If the deceased was armed, it will make a difference at trial.
So where did the second gun come from? Is this going to be a surprise discovery at the trial?
You guys were there at the scene, so you know it all?
83422
Thank you for proving that you know nothing about the facts of the case, the law, or self defense. You could have peddled your BS if there weren't pictures.
"A guy with a gun hits you in the face"- a gun you can't see, a hit that only comes after you assault him.
"Then maces you" - only after you pull a gun on him. That is beyond contestation.
The facts, the law, pound the table.
You're hands hurting yet?
I REALLY hope you don't carry a gun, for the sake of yourself and society. With your analysis and legal understanding, you are a danger.
Excellent, like brutal, I thank you for your response.
If a guy with a gun hits you in the face, then maces you, what do you expect is next? Has nothing to do with politics.
The problem I see is that big corporations are possibly liable here. Big corporations have big law firms. Large sums of money are involved. They have a vested interest in the defendant being found not guilty. Reduces civil liability.
"The law is based on experience, not logic."
How do you know Lee had a gun? How would Matt have known this? A gun was never introduced into the fight until Matt drew one from his Waistband at which time Lee used his mace and Matt shot. Now if Matt had Ben open carrying and Lee saw this then Matt might have a defense of well if he Maced me then then he could take my gun etc.... but that wasn?t the case so it holds no water in this discussion
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FromMyColdDeadHand
10-16-2020, 07:53
I saw some pics that said the deceased had a gun. It was on social media. They had circled the area on the deceased that they said the gun was at. The social media posts were from witness's at the scene
Right now my internet is screwed up. The press is stating there were two guns found at the scene. I can't reference the sources due to this internet problem.
If the deceased was armed, it will make a difference at trial.
So where did the second gun come from? Is this going to be a surprise discovery at the trial?
You guys were there at the scene, so you know it all?
83422
Dude, there is a picture of Lee standing there flat footed, hands at his side as the guy draws a handgun? Why don't you just claim that Bigfoot shot Lee and the second gun was from the Loch Ness Monster??? Why not, you have as much evidence for that as your other gas lighting story.
.455_Hunter
10-16-2020, 08:07
New information on who employed the shooter and who is representing the deceased. I will leave it up to you folks to assess the statements, particularly from the security company owner.
https://kdvr.com/news/local/lawyer-for-family-of-shooting-victim-issues-statement-subcontractor-says-security-guard-acted-in-self-defense/
On Thursday night, Matt Isborn, the owner of Isborn Security Services, confirmed his company is the subcontractor that hired Dolloff. He said Dolloff has worked for his company on multiple projects since August 2019.
In a statement, Isborn said his company is licensed to provide armed security services in the City and County of Denver.
"During that time, I agonized over the ridiculous accusations and the lies that were being spread about Matthew Dolloff's affiliations, and his character. The mainstream and local media outlets have been nothing short of shameless in spreading this misinformation, and I refuse to remain silent any longer. I have spent the last three days reading the statements of those involved, of those who witnessed the incident, and viewing the comprehensive photographic documentation," Isborn said. He referenced videos released by 9NEWS on Wednesday.
Isborn said that after reviewing all the available information, he is "now convinced that Matthew Dolloff's actions were strictly defensive in nature, and his quick reaction to the situation may have saved the life of the channel 9 News Producer."
Isborn must have watched a different video than the Denver DA.
Maybe it was this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKQDmQMqIwM&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=GrammarInspectorChiefLonger
hollohas
10-16-2020, 09:03
I think Isborn won't be a company much longer if they think that was appropriate defensive action. Who would want that sort of liability having a security contractor that truly believes their employees should kill people who bitch slap them?
hollohas
10-16-2020, 09:21
Not impressed with Matt Isborn's resume. NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, CCW instructor and Colorado Licensed P.I.
Doesn't exactly scream "expert executive protection provider"...
His linkedIn and Facebook appear to have been deleted.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-16-2020, 09:45
If we were the left, we'd show up at his house and place of business and start protesting and mostly peacefully protesting...
Not impressed with Matt Isborn's resume. NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, CCW instructor and Colorado Licensed P.I.
Doesn't exactly scream "expert executive protection provider"...
His linkedIn and Facebook appear to have been deleted.
Is Matt covering his tracks already? That was quick.
Great video Roberth !
Thank you :)
.455_Hunter
10-16-2020, 12:55
Interesting...
Company that employed man charged in deadly shooting has no employees with security guard licenses
https://kdvr.com/news/local/company-that-employed-man-charged-in-deadly-shooting-has-no-employees-with-security-guard-licenses/
DENVER (KDVR) - FOX31 obtained licensing documents for Isborn Security Services LLC, the company stating it is responsible for subcontracting Denver rally shooting suspect Matthew Dolloff.
The company has an active security guard business license that does not expire until Sept. 10, 2021.
However, there is no record found for any individual other than Matthew Isborn, the company's owner, being licensed or applying for a individual security guard license with Isborn Security Services.
Not interesting, basic sub-contracting.
I bet they also have no employees with insurance or W2s. That stuff is all on the contractors, which is the entire point of sub-contracting.
hollohas
10-16-2020, 13:31
I found a number of individuals on LinkedIn that claim to be contractors for Isborn. Wonder how many of them are licensed?
.455_Hunter
10-16-2020, 13:35
Not interesting, basic sub-contracting.
I bet they also have no employees with insurance or W2s. That stuff is all on the contractors, which is the entire point of sub-contracting.
The security company is telling their customers that the guards are able to work in Denver, which is not the case. Sub-contracting the guard without verifying their basic credentials is negligence. My company sub-contracts all the time, and there are clauses in-place to ensure the subs demonstrate compliance with regulations.
It's a semantics issue. Any "employees" of the company are likely administrative and wouldn't have the licensing. The guards aren't employees, thus no employees in the company with the proper licensing. I don't KNOW that's the case, but I'm betting that's the case.
Aloha_Shooter
10-16-2020, 15:56
Isborn must have watched a different video than the Denver DA.
Maybe it was this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKQDmQMqIwM&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=GrammarInspectorChiefLonger
All three of them are in better shape than me but dang, the guy in pink was really getting his knees up and keeping it going for a long time.
hollohas
10-16-2020, 17:32
All three of them are in better shape than me but dang, the guy in pink was really getting his knees up and keeping it going for a long time.I closed my eyes when he ran over the camera in those short shorts...
I did a little research on that video, and while it made me smile, none of those gentlemen are licensed to work in Denver. The plot thickens.
On a serious note, glad to hear about the murder 2 charges.
I closed my eyes when he ran over the camera in those short shorts...
Not me, I was looking for the 2nd gun.
This will make those backyard security companies who doesn't do legit liability insurance, licensing , and under the table pay will get on a spot light.
Too many of those jokers. Oh yeah. I believe those joker companies make security buy their own crown Victoria and use that for patrol. [LOL]
I can name at least 15 companies with 15 owners name.
hollohas
10-16-2020, 22:10
Not me, I was looking for the 2nd gun.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201017/be1a8febba5900c0096db17258bf5d02.jpg
Was away from the thread a few days. Very interesting that isborn is almost as crazy as Bushmaster. He'd be better off throwing his employee under the bus like most. Someone said they found others under their employ, maybe can find that many of them share the same political motives as Doloff.
But never change crazy ol Pueblo man.
hollohas
10-17-2020, 09:22
According to the local news, in a follow-up statement from Isborn, he claims his contractor was working as executive protection and not security, therefore he didn't need to have city issued armed security license.
That's quite the reach...
Find out his hourly rate, will give a decent idea how above board and remotely legit it was.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-19-2020, 15:17
While a man died and that will wind its way through the courts, I think the real 'story' is the press working in tandem with the agitator. I don't know what laws were broken, but someone needs to find out how closely allied and coordinated they were. That the 9 new producer was hiding his badges, well that says something. THe Post photographer hiding some pics- and still seems to be hiding some pics- is another.
eddiememphis
10-19-2020, 16:21
The guy in the Black Guns Matter shirts that was yelling "mace me, mf'er" was on 7news claiming... victim status!
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/19/lee-keltner-shooting-jeremiah-elliott-death-argument-matthew-doloff/
One thing I found interesting is this quote.
“It was an entirely peaceful rally until the shooting victim decided to do an assault against me and our news company and that’s what it is,” Elliott said.
So, this guy was working with the news crew as well? Was he being paid as an agitator for news footage? He also was a "victim of racism" in a fight at a Bernie Sanders rally in October.
.455_Hunter
10-19-2020, 16:28
In another video posted online, it appears to show Elliott celebrating the death of Keltner. When CBS4 asked him about that, he said he had no comment.
I bet this guy is best buddies with Tay Anderson.
battlemidget
10-19-2020, 16:43
Check out the rest of the Isborn team. Looks like the night shift from Abu Graib.
https://www.isbornsecurity.com/staff1
Because they (on website) went on combat doesn't make their clown ass qualified for PSD or EP.
I would not let them even guard my sack lunch.
hollohas
10-19-2020, 19:24
Check out the rest of the Isborn team. Looks like the night shift from Abu Graib.
https://www.isbornsecurity.com/staff1I think that has been added since I checked out his website last week. Seems like maybe Isborn is trying to prove some sort of cred since he's under the microscope now.
Hiring one guy who's completely unqualified is TOTALLY washed away by the 4 dudes mean-mugging on his website. That settles it, Isborn is totally legit and professional. Those 4 pictures prove it.
BPTactical
10-19-2020, 19:55
It would be interesting if somebody with web skills to dissect that site and see when it was last updated
Check out the rest of the Isborn team. Looks like the night shift from Abu Graib.
https://www.isbornsecurity.com/staff1
“ Dignitary Protection for high-ranking officials in Kandahar”
Hey, I was part of a PSD that would regularly escort Agency dudes from the Green Zone to Abu Abed’s place in Ameriya neighborhood to meet with him and our Squadron commander. Can I claim “CIA protection for agents and American intelligence assets in Baghdad? If so I need to update muh resume. Might get a sweet gig running and gunning to keep the Peyton Times folks safe.
This crap is more reTURDED than a kid who has 1.5 high school GPA and dressed up to play football quarterback.
I told him if he cannot get his GPA higher, best case scenario is go to division 3 as back up backup qb.
Then he might have opportunity to play Thanksgiving family back yard football quarterback and score a touchdown at the end of their own yard.
[LOL]
This is exactly how I see these guys thinking they are NFL prospect. In fact all football they played is like junior varsity backyard football. LoL.
It would be interesting if somebody with web skills to dissect that site and see when it was last updated
While I can't do that, a check on the WayBackMachine shows two of those employees were listed on the About page of a 2019 version of the website: https://web.archive.org/web/20190511025359/https://www.isbornsecurity.com/about/ I didn't go back further than that.
While a man died and that will wind its way through the courts, I think the real 'story' is the press working in tandem with the agitator. I don't know what laws were broken, but someone needs to find out how closely allied and coordinated they were. That the 9 new producer was hiding his badges, well that says something. THe Post photographer hiding some pics- and still seems to be hiding some pics- is another.
The "press" are largely agitators. They stir the shit, and then report on it like it happened all on its own.
This is why Rush Limbaugh refers to the MSM as the 'drive-by media'.
They're trying to get attention like petulant children.
...with flamethrowers.
DA is dropping charges...didn't see that coming. Really thought it would go to trial for political grandstanding.
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/03/10/matthew-dolloff-charges-dropped/
Aloha_Shooter
03-10-2022, 22:03
DA is dropping charges...didn't see that coming. Really thought it would go to trial for political grandstanding.
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/03/10/matthew-dolloff-charges-dropped/
Why did you think they were going to continue pressing charges against someone who killed a conservative? I figured from the start they were going to look for any excuse to drop the case after it was out of the public eye. Gas prices and the conflict in Ukraine is perfect timing for them to bury this case.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-10-2022, 23:41
Why did you think they were going to continue pressing charges against someone who killed a conservative? I figured from the start they were going to look for any excuse to drop the case after it was out of the public eye. Gas prices and the conflict in Ukraine is perfect timing for them to bury this case.
https://denverite.com/2022/03/10/denver-district-attorney-plans-to-drop-charges-against-the-security-guard-accused-of-killing-a-man-near-civic-center-park/
GREAT NEWS!
The DA has just declared that an open hand slap is enough provocation to use lethal force to defend yourself. That is with LEOs just yards away. So next time there is civil unrest, and I face the same level of threat, I?m sure the DA will give me the same treatment.
We all knew that this was going to break this way. Of course, if it were reversed there would be a different outcome. Where are all the anti-gun collectivists complaining about this one? Kyle almost gets convicted on a literal text-book case and this charge doesn?t even go to court?. I?m sure the FEDs will step in now..
Oh, yea, and the ?attacker? was retreating.
Oh yea, and the local press that took a stream of pics, took out pics to make it look like the deceased pulled his pepper spray first, when it was the shooter that pulled his gun at the retreating slapper, who used the spray after the shooter pulled his gun?..
But sure, not even close. No need for a jury. Funny how they didn?t put that in front of a grand jury?
There is DPD halo camera video of the entire event, perhaps it took the da a looong time to look at it (sarcasm fyi on that point). Now that it?s no longer evidentiary maybe the .gov will release it-or not.
We will see what they want to show us. Turning into a real sh.t show in Denver politics.
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