Long podcast I found interesting

[SSChameleon]

Dan Carlin has done many podcasts I have enjoyed. He tends to very in depth on large historical events. This is from his other podcast. I found it after hearing several people who often vote libertarian or Green Party who are swinging for Biden.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/common-sense-with-dan-carlin/id155974141?i=1000491914022

[Delfuego]

I do enjoy Dan Carlin's Hardcore History Podcast.

Edit:

I usually stick to his history podcasts. After listening to the show linked above, I listened to this one too. More food for thought for all us regarding the way we treat and refer to each other.

https://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-319-a-recipe-for-caesar/

[eddiememphis]

I enjoy his historical analysis. His political analysis isn't as strong.

For instance, in the episode noted, he says he is voting for Biden because Trump is too unstable to trust with the nuke codes and the President has 95% authority to launch them.

I think Trump is nutty on a lot of things but I seriously doubt his willingness to launch on a whim.

I also think it would take a lot more than a bad mood of the President to institute a global thermonuclear war.

Carlin is a good listen. I'd like to hang out with him, he'd be fun to argue with.

[SSChameleon]

He takes a wider perspective and I would agree that Trump wouldn’t launch a nuke on a whim.

There were two parts that resonated with me. The first is what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Would we be ok with Trumps actions if Bernie or Elizabeth Warren did the same thing? Because allowing Trump to do them sets the precedent for the next administration and down the road that president may be someone more dangerous than Trump. He acknowledges the expanding of presidential powers happens with each administration, however Trump has been pushing it more.

The second was how Trumps rhetoric attacks the foundation of our democracy, specifically his comments that the only way he would lose is if there is voter fraud.. While this talk has energized his base and core supporters, it is driving more people to vote for the other party, not because they support democrat policies, but to make the margin of victory so large Trump cannot contest it.

[Irving]

At just barely over an hour, I'd classify this as a short podcast, especially for Dan Carlin. I agree with a lot of what he's saying, but not all of it.

[arbol]

If you haven't heard President Trump speak yet, this is a good one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiz-qWQ1hxc

[Aloha_Shooter]

He takes a wider perspective and I would agree that Trump wouldn’t launch a nuke on a whim.

There were two parts that resonated with me. The first is what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Would we be ok with Trumps actions if Bernie or Elizabeth Warren did the same thing? Because allowing Trump to do them sets the precedent for the next administration and down the road that president may be someone more dangerous than Trump. He acknowledges the expanding of presidential powers happens with each administration, however Trump has been pushing it more.

That perspective ignores the fact that the Dems under Clinton and Obama were already doing more offensive things than Trump (IMO) and further that they don't need Trump setting a precedent because they have already proposed far more radical expansions of governmental power. If anything, Trump has rolled back some of the expansionism of past administrations. I'd prefer more but doing as much as he has in the past 3 years is nothing short of a miracle.


The second was how Trumps rhetoric attacks the foundation of our democracy, specifically his comments that the only way he would lose is if there is voter fraud.. While this talk has energized his base and core supporters, it is driving more people to vote for the other party, not because they support democrat policies, but to make the margin of victory so large Trump cannot contest it.

First, Trump is an arrogant blowhard. He says stuff like this all the time but realize he's been used to braggadocio as sales talk or to set the stage for negotiations for most of his adult life. You think Trump's rhetoric is bad? Were you paying any attention to Obama or Biden or the Clintons when they implied all money belongs to the government ("they should be happy we let them keep as much as we did" or words to that effect), that the Constitution should have been changed so Obama could run for a third term AND that he would have won a third term easily because only "Yahtzees" vote for the Republicans, that African-Americans who don't vote for Biden aren't really black, etc. There is significant voter fraud being committed to keeping Dems in office -- the whole mess in Florida in 2000 was the Dems trying to manufacture enough votes for Gore to overturn the election. Same thing happened in 2008 in order to give Al Franks his Senate seat but he had to go to the well 3 times to manufacture enough votes to flip the election -- because apparently Minnesota is a hotbed of Republican machinery.

I don't know how many people are voting for Biden for the reasons you stated. I suspect there are some using that as an excuse just because they can't/don't want to admit they just detest Trump. I detest him too ... but I detest the anti-Americanism, corruption, and outright fraud that has increasingly taken hold of the Democrat Party over the last 40 years.

[Irving]

^^^Pretty big cop out post that I don't really expect from you.

Trump is in sales, so his unprofessional conduct is somehow okay? Just like that? If anyone here talked to, or about, other members the way Trump does, then tried to use the excuse that they are used to braggadocio as sales talk, no one would give that member a pass. Why should the president get a pass that a normal Joe wouldn't?

Why all the talk about the Clintons? No one is talking about the Clintons, the discussion is about Trump. Seems like a deflection more than anything.

I get that is extremely taboo to not worship Trump, especially on here, but it's kind of sad how quick people are to look the other way at things they'd never forget if another person did them. It's exactly the kind of thing people blame the other side for doing constantly. If we'd complain about the other side dismissing bad behavior from their guy, then we'd better hold "our side" to a higher standard to show the difference. Unless, of course, people from both sides of the aisle are exactly the same.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It’s not a cop out, it’s a fact pertinent to his behavior. He’s arrogant, he exaggerates, all related to his salesman mentality and persona. I’ve said I detest him personally. However, OP cites it and his rhetoric as if they were unprecedented or astoundingly bad when in fact they aren’t historically. More to the point, his rhetoric is just talk while the ACTIONS of the Clintons, Obama, and Biden directly undermined American national security, the Constitution, formerly apolitical nature of the DOJ, IRS, etc.

I don’t know where you got the idea that it was taboo to not worship Trump. Lots of us have criticized him even before the 2016 election. He likely would have lost if the Dems didn’t put up such horrible people.

[SSChameleon]

Aloha, did you get a chance to listen to the podcast we are discussing? The other side has done bad things (Carlin touches on this). What Trump has done, that you excuse as being a blowhard salesman, is not acceptable for the office of president. If we excuse the behavior, because the Clintons did it or Obama did it, we are culpable in facilitating the erosion of our democracy.

I’m not naive enough to think voter fraud doesn’t happen, but I’m adult enough to know you don’t cry fraud just because a vote doesn’t go the way you way want.

[Irving]

I think a lot of people criticized Trump when they thought he had no chance of winning, then jumped into lockstep the moment that he did.

[Bailey Guns]

I get that is extremely taboo to not worship Trump, especially on here...

Talk about cop outs... You obviously haven't been paying attention.

[Irving]

The worst condemnation I've seen from Trump on here is that people wished he wouldn't tweet. There certainly is a spectrum, and I'm sure I'm guilty of only remembering the worst offenders.

[Bailey Guns]

Like I said...you haven't been paying attention. On the other hand, maybe you just haven't ready every single post on the forum.

There's been plenty of people here condemning Trump for everything from his personal behavior to the bump stock ban. I've done it. He wasn't even my choice for president. But, the people of the party chose him. So that's why people who don't want a democrat in office back Trump. Because the only other viable option is unacceptable. Not because they worship him.

Calling people Trump worshippers because they support him overall is no different than calling someone a racist because they didn't support Obama's left-wing agenda. Not liking his politics doesn't make one a racist any more than liking Trump's politics makes one a worshipper.

It's a cop out because you can say the words just to validate you own opinion and you don't really have to put forth any effort into really thinking about why someone might support him.

[Bailey Guns]

And it drives me up the freakin' wall to hear people say people on both sides of the aisle are the same...there's no difference between republicans and democrats.

As people, democrats and republicans may have some of the same faults. No doubt. As to their politics, the two sides aren't even in the same universe.

Saying they're the same is also a cop out. It's an easy way to dismiss the arguments without having to give it much thought.

[Aloha_Shooter]

SSChameleon, vote however you want but it goes beyond "the other side does bad things". In the scale of things, Trump calling people names, exaggerating the attendance at his rallies or other events, etc. just doesn't even compare IMO to abandoning Americans during a firefight while getting a 7 hour video feed, providing pallets of cash (all unauthorized and illegal) to Iran, misusing the IRS and DOJ for political purposes, circumventing and outright ignoring laws regarding the preservation of national records as well as common information security for political security/convenience, knowing prosecution of innocent people, etc.

I listen to Carlin's Hardcore History but I see no need to listen to a podcast that excuses the DEMONSTRATED illegal and unconstitutional behavior by the key participants and power brokers in the Democratic party because "Trump bad". It's an argument devoid of logic or scale.

Irving, you really need to reread past posts. There may be a few "worshipping" Trump but if so, I can't remember them while there have been dozens (including several from me) that catalog Trump's failings. If you're perceiving some kind of worship here, you're reading selectively. Very selectively.

The past several national elections have been choices between lesser evils and the most vehement arguments on this board have been between those who see "lesser evils" and those who claim they don't want to have to choose between a shit sandwich and a turd hero.

[Irving]

Aloha, I think you're saying that the things Trump does now, pale in comparison to what others have done in the past. I'd say that if Trump continues to make zero effort to de-escalate the building tension within the nation, and continues to encourage that tension until it boils over to a point of no return, either a full blown Civil War, or government intervention so heavy handed that it permanently erases or rights, it will be exponentially worse than any of the things you've mentioned. It doesn't matter how bad we perceive things that didn't irreparably damage the country, compared to anything that actually does.

[SSChameleon]

I listen to Carlin's Hardcore History but I see no need to listen to a podcast that excuses the DEMONSTRATED illegal and unconstitutional behavior by the key participants and power brokers in the Democratic party because "Trump bad". It's an argument devoid of logic or scale.

I listened to to Dan to get perspective on why someone would feel compelled to vote Biden when they usually sit out the election or vote for a third party when the choice is the easer of two evils. If you had listened to it, you would know he does not excuse the DEMONSTRATED behavior of the Democratic Party.

I appreciate your thoughts on Trump and the actions of the dems, since you do not wish to listen to the pod cast being discussed, I respectfully ask you to share your opinions in a different thread. We can title it, why I think the actions of the democrats are worse than Trump playing brinkmanship with the republic, or why I refuse to listen to someone when they disagree with me.

[MrPrena]

If he doesn't get elected, it was his dumbass mouth that got him out of whitehouse. it is not republican voters' fault. Of course, Trump fantards think otherwise, just like Obama fantards think he should do 3rd and 4th terms. lol

[Mick-Boy]

I've been listening to Dan Carlin for years. Both Hardcore History and Common Sense. I was really disappointed in this most recent episode for a couple of reasons.

His democrat focus was largely limited to Biden. Biden is almost a non-issue in this election. There was no discussion of Harris and her verifiable history of abuses of state power. He talks about the actions of street level people but not about the support, both tacit and explicit that BLM and Antifa are getting from the Democratic machine. He ignored the blatantly partisan use of the legal system in multiple cases/jurisdictions. He ignores the openly communist ties/philosophy of those groups and the long (or not) term threat that represents. I would have hoped, as a not-historian, that he recognized the human misery that follows every. single. time. when that road is taken.

The other thing that bugged me was his dismissal of "conspiracy theories". I've been listening long enough to remember when some of his conspiracy theories were confirmed and how he talked about being vindicated (government surveillance of AMCITs is the main one that springs to mind). Hell, the DOD acknowledged that we bump into UFOs on a semi-regular basis and no one batted an eye. At this point, who's to say what constitutes a "crazy conspiracy theory" and what doesn't. It's 2020 after all.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Haven't had time for the forum all week and this is likely moot but ...

SSChameleon, you should know that Dan Carlin drags on. In trying to get people to listen to an hour long podcast (which is short for him, he must have been feeling pithy), you should be able to cite a few specific points where you claim Trump's bad behavior exceeds that demonstrated by his opponents. I've given you very specific points on why Trump's behavior is (IMO) outweighed dramatically by that of Biden and Harris and the rest of the crowd that would follow them in power. Great, he calls people names, exaggerates everything he does to be the biggest and the best, etc. How does any of that outweigh Harris KNOWINGLY sending innocent people to jail to pad her prosecutor stats or Biden being part of an Executive Office that decided to leave the Benghazi consulate hanging out in the breeze while they watched video of the firefight for hours? You've yet to cite one point.

Ignoring that stuff or claiming Trump's bad behavior is worse than it is why it's not worth an hour of my time to listen to a podcast unless you can cite some specifics that would outline the argument but you haven't done that. I already know about Trump's braggadocio and arrogance and what he's done over the past four years. Unless you or Dan have something new, it's just nowhere near enough to put the Dems back in power, knowing what they've done, are doing, and have promised to do. I listen to liberal podcasts like Radiolab and Freakonomics all the time but they at least dive into interesting issues and provide details. Radiolab's "More Perfect: The Gun Show" was a classic in well-designed and slickly written propaganda. The charge of not wanting to listen to someone who disagrees with me is comical coming from someone who invites me to leave for disagreeing.

[Delfuego]

Posted another of his podcasts. This one struck a cord too.