CSU might ban concealed carry

[newracer]

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20091201/NEWS01/912010325/1002/CUSTOMERSERVICE02/CSU-mulls-concealed-weapons-ban

CSU President's email

tony.frank@colostate.edu

[BigBear]

Gun free zones are just safe zones for criminals....

Why punish law abiders when criminals could care less?

[Ranger353]

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20091201/NEWS01/912010325/1002/CUSTOMERSERVICE02/CSU-mulls-concealed-weapons-ban

CSU President's email

tony.frank@colostate.edu

But I thought all firearms, to include concealed carry, were already illegal on state universities? Am I missing something?

[Irving]

But I thought all firearms, to include concealed carry, were already illegal on state universities? Am I missing something?

Yes, they aren't illegal at Universities, even state ones. It is just a school rule that prohibits them. As far as I know anyway.

[GoldFinger]

Sturtle's got it pretty much right, here's a excerpt from the Law:


(3) A

PERMIT ISSUED PURSUANT TO THIS PART 2 DOES NOT AUTHORIZE


A PERSON TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN ONTO THE REAL PROPERTY

, OR INTO ANY IMPROVEMENTS ERECTED THEREON, OF A PUBLIC ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, JUNIOR HIGH, OR HIGH SCHOOL; EXCEPT THAT:





(a) A



PERMITTEE MAY HAVE A HANDGUN ON THE REAL PROPERTY OF


THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SO LONG AS THE HANDGUN REMAINS IN HIS OR HER VEHICLE AND

, IF THE PERMITTEE IS NOT IN THE VEHICLE, THE HANDGUN IS IN A COMPARTMENT WITHIN THE VEHICLE AND THE VEHICLE IS LOCKED



.


(b) A



PERMITTEE WHO IS EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY CONTRACT BY


A SCHOOL DISTRICT AS A SCHOOL SECURITY OFFICER MAY CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN ONTO THE REAL PROPERTY

, OR INTO ANY IMPROVEMENT ERECTED THEREON, OF A PUBLIC ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, JUNIOR HIGH, OR HIGH SCHOOL WHILE THE PERMITTEE IS ON DUTY.





(c) A



PERMITTEE MAY CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN ON


UNDEVELOPED REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT IS USED FOR HUNTING OR OTHER SHOOTING SPORTS

.

[ChadAmberg]

Whats really interesting is that the student council group is apparently in favor of no changes, which allows concealed carry. So weird that the students are smarter than the faculty in this case.

[RLCbushpilot]

Sturtle's got it pretty much right, here's a excerpt from the Law:


(3) A

PERMIT ISSUED PURSUANT TO THIS PART 2 DOES NOT AUTHORIZE


A PERSON TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN ONTO THE REAL PROPERTY

, OR INTO ANY IMPROVEMENTS ERECTED THEREON, OF A PUBLIC ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, JUNIOR HIGH, OR HIGH SCHOOL; EXCEPT THAT:





(a) A



PERMITTEE MAY HAVE A HANDGUN ON THE REAL PROPERTY OF


THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SO LONG AS THE HANDGUN REMAINS IN HIS OR HER VEHICLE AND

, IF THE PERMITTEE IS NOT IN THE VEHICLE, THE HANDGUN IS IN A COMPARTMENT WITHIN THE VEHICLE AND THE VEHICLE IS LOCKED



.


(b) A



PERMITTEE WHO IS EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY CONTRACT BY


A SCHOOL DISTRICT AS A SCHOOL SECURITY OFFICER MAY CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN ONTO THE REAL PROPERTY

, OR INTO ANY IMPROVEMENT ERECTED THEREON, OF A PUBLIC ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, JUNIOR HIGH, OR HIGH SCHOOL WHILE THE PERMITTEE IS ON DUTY.





(c) A



PERMITTEE MAY CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN ON


UNDEVELOPED REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT IS USED FOR HUNTING OR OTHER SHOOTING SPORTS

.


This only applies to K-12 schools. The ban on guns on campus stems from an opinion by then attorney general Ken Salazar. Basically it said that in his opinion the regents at CU could ban concealed carry on their campus. As I read state law there are only 4 places in the state that I cannot carry. The real property of K-12 schools (with exceptions), where federally prohibited, where permanent security devices are installed and used to search every person entering the area, and where private entities wish to prohibit concealed carry. I see nothing in the statutes that prohibit concealed carry on college campuses but maybe I've missed something. If you're a student you could be expelled but as a regular citizen you could only be asked to leave campus. If you don't leave you could be arrested for trespassing. IANAL so YMMV!

[newracer]

His response to my email.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. While there are many differing opinions on this issue, I think all of us agree we want an environment that promotes academic success and the safety and well-being of the campus community. I appreciate hearing all viewpoints on the best way to achieve that goal—and particularly appreciate you taking the time to write as an alumnus. I am receiving a lot of input and intend to consider it all before making any decision regarding the recommendation that is now on my desk. Thanks again – tony

[newracer]

If it is even him reading and responding.

[Irving]

One time I got something from my college about donating and global warming. I sent an email back saying, "If this is the kind of crap you're going to send me, take me off your list!"

Then later, I found the "Unsubscribe" link and felt stupid.

The next day however, I got a response email of "No problem, sorry you feel that way, we'll take you off the list." and felt even more dumb.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Watched 9 News tonight and the county Sheriff was in favor of CCW, but the local police or Campus police said CCW wasn't needed because they can get anywhere on campus in two minutes and in the larger buildings in a minute.

Love to see someone from the school paper test that claim.

[djm3808]

9News is doing a poll on this!

[newracer]

Watched 9 News tonight and the county Sheriff was in favor of CCW, but the local police or Campus police said CCW wasn't needed because they can get anywhere on campus in two minutes and in the larger buildings in a minute.

Love to see someone from the school paper test that claim.

When seconds count the police will be there in minutes.

I love that line.

[jtav]

Its done, in a 7-0 vote no more guns on campus in Pueblo or up north

[Irving]

What the hell? I thought the president was the one who decided? Do any of the 7 who voted even spend any time on campus?

[TFOGGER]

Any bets on if the paperwork for a lawsuit in opposition to the change in policy has already been drafted?

More info: http://www.rmgo.org/csu/

[two shoes]

Yet 2 more institutions where large groups of adults will be left unprotected...

Since they are going to take a woman's right of self protection away, they have a new program for protecting them from predators....

Interesting the student council voted 21-3 in favor of CCW...

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Concealed means concealed...


Or start learning how to play dead better.

[newracer]

One of CSU's Senators even said he did not agree with allowing CCW but since every student he talked to was in favor of CCW he voted in favor of it.

I'll be sending the Pres another email.

[The-Fly]

Watched 9 News tonight and the county Sheriff was in favor of CCW, but the local police or Campus police said CCW wasn't needed because they can get anywhere on campus in two minutes and in the larger buildings in a minute.

Love to see someone from the school paper test that claim.


They're full of shit. I had to call 911 one time (for a student having a medical emergency) from a building right next to the student center, and the first cop wasn't there for about 4-5 minutes.

Now thats a GREAT response time in my opinion, and I am not criticizing CSU's PD response times. I AM calling BS on their ability (or ANY LE department's ability ) to be on scene so quickly that no good guy(or gal) would need a firearm to defend themself.

[d_striker]

9News is doing a poll on this!

Why don't you post a link?

[The-Fly]

Why don't you post a link?

Poll is gone.

[newracer]

Here is a reply a person on another board I frequent received.


Thanks for weighing in. As you note, the Board of Governors of the CSU System has made its decision and directed our System campuses o develop weapons policies that include a prohibition on concealed weapons, in line with the practice at the majority of universities nationwide and all in Colorado. I understand that many people don’t agree with this action, and we have heard strong, legitimate arguments on both sides of the issue—including well-articulated points from our faculty and students, who took up opposite sides of the debate. But I support the Board’s authority to make the decision, and my job now is to develop a policy that will comply with the Board’s directive, promote the safety and well-being of our campus, and allow reasonable discretion to consider exemptions to the prohibition on a case by case basis. As a citizen of Colorado, your thoughts and comments are welcome as we proceed in developing the new policy.

Thanks,

-tony

Dr. Anthony A. Frank

President

Colorado State University


Once the policy comes out and they detail the way to get an exemption we should inundate his office with requests for exemptions. [Rant1]

[TFOGGER]

Here is a reply a person on another board I frequent received.



Once the policy comes out and they detail the way to get an exemption we should inundate his office with requests for exemptions. [Rant1]

How about a lawsuit to force CSU to comply with state law:


18-12-201. Legislative declaration.









(1) The general assembly finds that:








(a) There exists a widespread inconsistency among jurisdictions within the state with regard to the issuance of permits to carry concealed handguns and identification of areas of the state where it is lawful to carry concealed handguns;








(b) This inconsistency among jurisdictions creates public uncertainty regarding the areas of the state in which it is lawful to carry concealed handguns;








(c) Inconsistency results in the arbitrary and capricious denial of permits to carry concealed handguns based on the jurisdiction of residence rather than the qualifications for obtaining a permit;








(d) The criteria and procedures for the lawful carrying of concealed handguns historically has been regulated by state statute and should be consistent throughout the state to ensure the consistent implementation of state law; and








(e) It is necessary that the state occupy the field of regulation of the bearing of concealed handguns since the issuance of a concealed handgun permit is based on a person's constitutional right of self-protection and there is a prevailing state interest in ensuring that no citizen is arbitrarily denied a concealed handgun permit and in ensuring that the laws controlling the use of the permit are consistent throughout the state.








(2) Based on the findings specified in subsection (1) of this section, the general assembly hereby concludes that:








(a) The permitting and carrying of concealed handguns is a matter of statewide concern; and








(b) It is necessary to provide statewide uniform standards for issuing permits to carry concealed handguns for self-defense.








(3) In accordance with the findings and conclusions specified in subsections (1) and (2) of this section, the general assembly hereby instructs each sheriff to implement and administer the provisions of this part 2. The general assembly does not delegate to the sheriffs the authority to regulate or restrict the issuance of permits provided for in this part 2 beyond the provisions of this part 2. An action or rule that encumbers the permit process by placing burdens on the applicant beyond those sworn statements and specified documents detailed in this part 2 or that creates restrictions beyond those specified in this part 2 is in conflict with the intent of this part 2 and is prohibited.

[Irving]

I interpreted the part about exceptions more along the lines of if someone used a gun to defend them self, then maybe the college wouldn't kick them out. I think hounding the guy about exceptions might be a good way to get him to lock up and change his mind about having exceptions at all. That was just the way I initially read it, probably incorrectly.

I like the lawsuit idea though.

[newracer]

As far as the exemptions we will just have to wait until the policy comes out.

I am pretty confident that RMGO will bring a lawsuit as soon as it does.

[whitewalrus]

Sad to see this happen. I think its ridiculous that campus police can carry, but I can't.

[d_striker]

How about a lawsuit to force CSU to comply with state law:

Some students at UCCS tried to file such a lawsuit against CU/UCCS. Judge didn't even let it go to trial.

[TFOGGER]

Some students at UCCS tried to file such a lawsuit against CU/UCCS. Judge didn't even let it go to trial.

Last I heard, it had yet to be set for trial, but was still in the works. When was it dismissed, and by which judge?

Edit: Nevermind. May 9th, El Paso County District Judge G. David Miller. We need to fire the judge at the next election.

[RMGOdirector]

Keep updated on the CSU (and other universities) at:

www.rmgo.org/csu (http://www.rmgo.org/csu)

[newracer]

RMGO is going to sue and my favorite sheriff has few things to say also.

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20100126/NEWS01/1260330/Coalition-threatening-to-sue-CSU-because-of-weapons-ban-proposal