View Full Version : So what's on the ban table with Sleepy Joe?
.455_Hunter
11-04-2020, 21:01
Assuming Sleepy Joe and friends pull-off their magic ballot show, but the GOP holds the Senate, what is on the table with executive orders and letter agency rule making?
buffalobo
11-04-2020, 21:17
Whats not on the ban table?
Aardvark
11-04-2020, 21:18
Imo: All semi-autos, any rifle or shotty w more than 3rds, semi pistols or those over 7rds. But surely the left will be fair and compromise.
.455_Hunter
11-04-2020, 21:29
Imo: All semi-autos, any rifle or shotty w more than 3rds, semi pistols or those over 7rds.
I don't think that falls under EO and rule making scope. Import of the above- maybe yes?
hollohas
11-04-2020, 21:42
You're assuming every republican in the senate is pro gun. I'm certain there are a couple of bleeding heart rino's that will be happy to flip on guns.
It's not going to be limited to EOs...
Guns? What guns? I don't own any guns.
68Charger
11-04-2020, 22:09
You're assuming every republican in the senate is pro gun. I'm certain there are a couple of bleeding heart rino's that will be happy to flip on guns.
It's not going to be limited to EOs...
You said "can be bought" wrong
First term will be all about passing socialistic laws and programs so banning wont hit until term 2.
APEXgunparts
11-04-2020, 23:13
I don't think that falls under EO and rule making scope. Import of the above- maybe yes?
Executive Action can definitely block any/all imports of firearms, ammunition and component parts.
President Obama ended the import of US Origin surplus with a "Rose Garden" speech and an Executive Action.
That still stands.
A Presidential instruction to ATF over "Slide Fire" stocks and they became illegal to own, with no compensation to the owners.
The "barrel ban" back in 2005 was a simple change to the import permit process.
Richard
Aloha_Shooter
11-05-2020, 02:48
Since when have modern era Democrats ever paid attention to allowable scope for EOs? Remember Paul Begala musing fondly on the power of the Presidency? "executive order ... law of the land" or words to that effect. They didn't care that it isn't supposed to work that way and they got away with it because the Dems have been perverting law schools (and hence the judiciary) for decades.
Bailey Guns
11-05-2020, 04:45
Don't worry... Anything they want to do will be "common sense" and "safety" related "for the children". It'll be fine.
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2020, 06:06
Well, since he want's to appoint Beto, as his gun czar.
The question should have been.
What guns, do you think, they will not ban?
Follow the link for the answers you seek...
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
Don't want to participate in the looming "buybacks"? Then fork over $200 per weapon of war AND per magazine over ten rounds. Since you'll be registered it'll all be a matter of public record who has what and where.
Bye bye online shopping for anything firearm related.
Pray hard that the Georgia runoffs tilt red otherwise stick a fork in it.
Without the senate: "public health emergency" and then push the states to implement a template
tactical_2012
11-08-2020, 13:46
Don't forgot Lead ammunition is very bad got to remember the poor children and all the damage it does to the environment
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/29/opinion/get-lead-out-ammo/
Zundfolge
11-08-2020, 14:24
Whats not on the ban table?
Double barrel shotguns (good for shooting in the air, or legs).
Double barrel shotguns (good for firing two blasts in the air, or legs).
FIFY
TEAMRICO
11-08-2020, 19:45
Follow the link for the answers you seek...
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
Don't want to participate in the looming "buybacks"? Then fork over $200 per weapon of war AND per magazine over ten rounds. Since you'll be registered it'll all be a matter of public record who has what and where.
Bye bye online shopping for anything firearm related.
Pray hard that the Georgia runoffs tilt red otherwise stick a fork in it.
Well, that sounds like it will be a PRIVILEGE......funny I thought it said in the Bill of Rights that the RIGHT to own and bear arms shall not be infringed.....must just be me.
I've read his plan and it's not good, my hope is that the courts halt him much like they halted President Trump.
battlemidget
11-11-2020, 09:56
The Dems are in trouble from the riots/violence and they understand 70million Americans don't agree with them. I don't see much changing, besides the market going higher.
I'm only here for the recipes in the smoker thread...i don't even like guns
.455_Hunter
11-11-2020, 11:48
The Dems are in trouble from the riots/violence and they understand 70million Americans don't agree with them. I don't see much changing, besides the market going higher.
Looking at the total votes, about 150 million cast a ballot for either the D or R candidate. Add in the third parties, and we still have about 50% of the population voting. Under 18 knocks out another ~25%. The last 25% is what is interesting- don't care, apathy, criminal record, medical issues?
I am feeling better about the Senate. Now 50 republicans to 48 dems. Not a done deal, but close. McConnell has to keep the party in line to stop radical legislation.
.455_Hunter
11-11-2020, 14:37
I am feeling better about the Senate. Now 50 republicans to 48 dems. Not a done deal, but close. McConnell has to keep the party in line to stop radical legislation.
If I were the GA Sec of State, I would report zero results for the upcoming run-offs until ALL county clerks have certified their totals. Who cares if it takes a month- the cities won't get to "add" votes to meet a desired target.
TEAMRICO
11-11-2020, 20:32
https://www.lsgr.live/post/biden-s-transition-team-contacted-the-atf-to-discuss-gun-control?postId=5fac028f3d783d0017b3d821
This just in, read all about it!!
buffalobo
11-11-2020, 20:53
https://www.lsgr.live/post/biden-s-transition-team-contacted-the-atf-to-discuss-gun-control?postId=5fac028f3d783d0017b3d821
This just in, read all about it!!Imagine that.
I'm only here for the recipes in the smoker thread...i don't even like guns
Guns are icky.
Will probably be lucky if all they get are 80% lowers and/or braces.
Fortunately, it's looking like they won't get the senate . . . and I think Manchin (and maybe one or two other) swing state senators would not go for actual gun control bills. I think Biden will go the EO route for some things like banning online sales of guns, ammo and parts and hopefully the SCOTUS will stomp on that. Manchin already said he is a no for court packing and busting the fillibuster and I think he means it. So that should be off the table for now . . . hpefully until the midterms when more D's can get swept out.
TEAMRICO
11-12-2020, 11:23
Manchin?
Your banking on him!?
Nothing but talk from him.
Drilldov2.0
11-12-2020, 13:05
There is no way they are going to be able to Amend the Constitution. Executive orders can't change it. Fact of the matter is all bans, restrictions, licensing requirements by the States are invalid and unConstitutional.
nighterfighter
11-12-2020, 18:24
There is no way they are going to be able to Amend the Constitution. Executive orders can't change it. Fact of the matter is all bans, restrictions, licensing requirements by the States are invalid and unConstitutional.
That doesn't prevent you from being arrested, fined, and potentially shot. And your property seized and never returned.
They have a bigger army...
Zundfolge
11-12-2020, 21:03
They have a bigger army...
According to Wikipedia:
Total number of active duty military personell: 1,388,103
Total number of reserve personell: 849,450
According to Statistica (https://www.statista.com/statistics/191694/number-of-law-enforcement-officers-in-the-us/):
Total number of law enforcement officers in the US: 697,195
So that's a total of 2,934,748
The estimates are that we added 5,000,000 new gun owners in 2020. That's just the new gun owners.
So in reality, they don't really have a bigger army (especially when you realize that there's a lot of that 2.9 million that are on our side).
Drilldov2.0
11-13-2020, 00:07
They have a bigger army...
So did the British.
Aloha_Shooter
11-13-2020, 01:48
There is no way they are going to be able to Amend the Constitution. Executive orders can't change it. Fact of the matter is all bans, restrictions, licensing requirements by the States are invalid and unConstitutional.
Since when have modern Democrats (much less the Maoists and Stalinists powering the extreme leftward lurch) bothered with the Constitution or any limits it placed on legislative or executive power? Did Obama or Biden care that they had no Constitutional power to send pallets of cash to Iran? Did they care that it is not only unconstitutional but flat-out illegal to use the IRS or DOJ to persecute political opponents? I've quoted Begala before -- they literally believe they can use executive (or commissar) orders like a royal diktat.
Drilldov2.0
11-15-2020, 14:08
Since when have modern Democrats (much less the Maoists and Stalinists powering the extreme leftward lurch) bothered with the Constitution or any limits it placed on legislative or executive power? Did Obama or Biden care that they had no Constitutional power to send pallets of cash to Iran? Did they care that it is not only unconstitutional but flat-out illegal to use the IRS or DOJ to persecute political opponents? I've quoted Begala before -- they literally believe they can use executive (or commissar) orders like a royal diktat.
Very True. And the Rhinos don't have enough spine or have too much skin in the game to do anything but give it a little lip service then move one. That is if they do anything at all. Troubling times.
eddiememphis
11-16-2020, 20:31
I think they will go after ammo. There is already a shortage which is good for them.
They will try to stop internet sales, likely using banks by limiting loans to manufacturers and not allowing credit card holders to use them for purchases. To curb in store sales, a "fee" is likely to be implemented under the usual guise of education programs or some sort of public health nonsense.
Insurance is another way to go after the industry. Raising rates for workers comp and cancelling liability on the manufacturers, hitting the transportation and warehousing areas and denying health coverage on individuals.
Banks and insurance companies have been trending left in their donations. This year, Chase, Well and Citi gave more to Democrats and BofA was almost even.
According to Wikipedia:
Total number of active duty military personell: 1,388,103
Total number of reserve personell: 849,450
According to Statistica (https://www.statista.com/statistics/191694/number-of-law-enforcement-officers-in-the-us/):
Total number of law enforcement officers in the US: 697,195
So that's a total of 2,934,748
The estimates are that we added 5,000,000 new gun owners in 2020. That's just the new gun owners.
So in reality, they don't really have a bigger army (especially when you realize that there's a lot of that 2.9 million that are on our side).
There is an estimated 360m firearms in the US...with the average gun owner owning 2 firearms...that puts us at an estimated 180m gun owners. And those estimates are from a year or two back. I suspect the numbers were low to begin with as well.
As for the military numbers...that isn't fighting force. That includes mechanics, doctors, office staff...actual fighting force is probably something like 40% or even less.
Trained fighters outweigh some dude that bought a gun by what, 10 to 1? 100 to 1?
Bailey Guns
11-17-2020, 06:46
And so what are today's gun owners gonna actually do against an overreaching government that bans an item by EO or otherwise? Something like...oh, I dunno...bump stocks? Or any other item the government previously said you could own, but then decided you couldn't after you'd already spent your money on it?
But, no need to worry... Other forum members have already decided the federal government isn't an issue in terms of further gun control.
Everything is OK.
Great-Kazoo
11-17-2020, 06:49
Trained fighters outweigh some dude that bought a gun by what, 10 to 1? 100 to 1?
Still doesn't stop IED's and those who actually believe ALLAH, or GOD want's them to do something. As for trained fighters. I believe a decade for russia in afghanistan, as well as the U.S still in the ME . Show a superior, trained fighting force isn't always a winning recipe.
As mentioned before. The british had a larger fighting force than the "rebels" in the 1700's Then there's India.
While training does play a major part in the equation.
IMO it's no longer how well a military is trained. It's how strong the opposing teams belief is, as well as funded.
And the constraints placed by ROE.
Although tptb will likely throw those out the window here at home if it comes to that...
And the constraints placed by ROE.
Yep
ROE is a double edged sword. On one edge it handicaps the warfighter from going full tilt. On the other edge, it's a restraint which holds back the warfighter from slitting his own throat with the hand of the populace. And yet, no amount of ROE can prevent the populace from gripping tight the knife handle.
The US/MNF had no appreciable effect in post-invasion Iraq until the Awakening Councils, which basically resulted in the "insurgents" (freedom fighters, if we're honest) agreeing to stop fighting the US and multi-national forces due to a multitude of factors: Al Qaeda (AQI) foreign fighters seeking to impose a form of Islam largely foreign to the Iraqi experience, AQI murdering Iraqis who wouldn't bend to their will, the resurgence of tribalism which allowed the Sheikhs to exert influence over their men, the shift to the "Hearts and Minds" approach, etc.
Art imitating life, and a bunch of wisdom if one looks for it:
Soldier Excited To Take Over Father?s Old Afghanistan Patrol Route
FAYETTEVILLE, NC?Saying he ?never could have imagined? he would have the opportunity to follow directly in his father?s footsteps, 19-year-old U.S. Army Pvt. Tyler Corcoran was reportedly excited Tuesday to take over his dad?s old patrol route in Afghanistan. ?It?s just so incredible that I?ll soon be walking the very same footpath as my old man, securing the perimeter of Camp Chapman in Khost Province just like he did so many years ago,? said Corcoran, who explained how, throughout his childhood, he had heard his father?s stories of guarding the forward operating base but never once considered that he would one day be traversing along the exact walls and securing the identical checkpoints his father had during his tours of duty. ?To think that I?ll be monitoring the road between the airstrip and detention facility that Dad always talked about, keeping an eye out for IEDs and any suspicious activity the same way he did all those years ago. Honestly, it?s hard to believe?but, wow, it?s really happening.? At press time, a tear fell from Corcoran?s eye as he hugged his dad goodbye in the very same manner he remembered his father doing to him when he was a toddler.
https://local.theonion.com/soldier-excited-to-take-over-father-s-old-afghanistan-p-1819580201
Real life:
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more ? we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
- Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918?1956
Historically, the communist ROE is the same as Burn Loot Murder / Antifa, with the addition of mass rape of women and children. We've been watching in real time, it just hasn't happened much in the suburbs around Denver.
Oh but your nice democrat neighbors wouldn't do any of those things now would they.
Maybe not but they'll most certainly inform on you, then stand there and watch the festivities or hide in their basement.
The left has already come out demanding lists of Trump supporters to blackball and ruin.
The only thing standing between you and the oncoming horror is your willingness to use your rifle and all that ammo you've been stockpiling. I do not say this lightly, this is an immensely difficult decision.
Great-Kazoo
11-17-2020, 12:40
Historically, the communist ROE is the same as Burn Loot Murder / Antifa, with the addition of mass rape of women and children. We've been watching in real time, it just hasn't happened much in the suburbs around Denver.
Oh but your nice democrat neighbors wouldn't do any of those things now would they.
Maybe not but they'll most certainly inform on you, then stand there and watch the festivities or hide in their basement.
The left has already come out demanding lists of Trump supporters to blackball and ruin.
The only thing standing between you and the oncoming horror is your willingness to use your rifle and all that ammo you've been stockpiling. I do not say this lightly, this is an immensely difficult decision.
Based on the amount of trump banners you saw, last time out. They will have a very long list in this area.
Based on the amount of trump banners you saw, last time out. They will have a very long list in this area.
Yes they will. The problem is that the democrats up to the challenge.
jhood001
11-18-2020, 00:02
I moderate on another forum for a teenage girl fan group for the 'Goosebumps' novels. Some of the 'bump in the night' escalation type posts around here are strikingly similar.
No cause for concern though. Most of those girls grow up into fine young women. You've got a few here an there that go full slender-man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Man_stabbing) on someone, but it's pretty rare.
Carry on. But if there is a sleep-over and smores, PLEASE invite me.
Trained fighters outweigh some dude that bought a gun by what, 10 to 1? 100 to 1?
I think it's a common misconception that a "trained" guy can take on a ton of untrained people. But I think you're being somewhat tongue in cheek, or biting your lip as you would put it ;)
It's kind of like fist fights. You might be a black belt in a kung fu movie, but take 3, or even 2 farm boys with no training, and they have twice your mass. I'm betting on the outnumbered guy getting a beatdown. There's exceptions to the rule, of course, in history and our lives.
Not really being tongue in cheek. Yes untrained insurgents are difficult to deal with, when they show up. Just because someone bought a gun doesn't mean they're going to fight against, well, anyone. As to what CS1983 posted, there's what people should do, and what people actually do. More often than not, people don't make the correct decisions for their self preservation. Be it preventing genocide, or saving for retirement.
Just pointing out lazy math is all.
JohnnyDrama
11-18-2020, 10:37
The turn this thread has recently taken is interesting. We've looked at numbers and speculated ratios but we haven't looked at the "1s" - that is the people. Many of the "trained fighters" have siblings, parents, neighbors, and friends among the gun owners. Many of the "trained fighters" were raised by/as gun owners and share those values. We have discussed politicization in the upper levels of the military and police forces but it seemed like we agreed that politics weren't such a driving force at lower levels. We have also agreed that there is no small amount of indoctrination that takes place in public education but I don't think many of those who have chosen to wear a uniform fell for it. The fact that they are in uniform is prime evidence. I'm not questioning the discipline of those in uniform, or the willingness to carry out lawful orders, or even the moral compasses of those involved. I imagine that the very senior officers do though.
Exactly, everything is so nuanced that just posting up the estimated numbers of gun owners vs military and police or whatever is laughable.
I mean, it's all bar talk anyway, so no one be offended.
Kinda like when the NRA supported the EA on novel redefinition and subsequent banning of bump stocks, a device that is NOT a machine gun and has been legal for years? Like that?
Slippery slope, you grifting sons of bitches (NRA).
Gun Grabbers Demand Unprecedented “Executive Actions”
Although the outcome of the presidential election has yet to be certified – and with recounts, lawsuits, and investigations ongoing – gun control advocates are wasting no time cozying up to Joe Biden, and demanding his “executive action” to restrict access to firearms.
A recent article in Michael Bloomberg’s gun control propaganda arm, The Trace, detailed what it called “7 Ways Biden Could Go It Alone on Gun Violence Prevention.” The article noted that the would-be president’s own website states, “Joe Biden ... knows how to make progress on reducing gun violence using executive action.”
“Executive action” in this case means legally-binding steps the president asserts he can take without the Congress actually enacting or amending specific laws.
Of course, it’s the constitutional duty of the president to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” But that merely begs the question of what is a legitimately “faithful” interpretation of the law.
One possible clue that an interpretation of the law is not faithful is when the executive branch suddenly finds a completely novel, and notably expansive, reach to a law that has been on the books for many years. This clue is even stronger when the impacts of this reinterpretation would be felt mainly by the executive’s political opposition. Judged by these standards, the gun grabbers are clearly goading Biden to act as a monarch instituting decrees out of whole cloth, and not merely as an administrator of existing rules.
After all, then Vice-President Biden was supposedly the point man for the gun control push Barack Obama launched during his second term. Obama has made a point of repeatedly emphasizing how lack of “progress” on gun control was the most frustrating and anger-inducing aspect of his presidency. The Obama-Biden administration spent years searching for ways to unilaterally clamp down on Americans’ access to firearms. Now, however, gun controllers are suggesting that even more, and more dramatic, executive actions against firearms and their owners were somehow left on the table as lawful options.
The Trace article linked to a letter from a coalition of gun control groups suggesting various ways the “Biden-Harris Transition Team” could supposedly use executive authority to diminish the right to keep and bear arms.
Among the dozens of proposals were some that are largely symbolic and unlikely to do much of anything. But others would effectively change longstanding principles of law and even criminalize the possession of firearms that law-abiding Americans currently obtain and own legally.
Obama, for example, was heavily pressured to pursue “universal background checks” by making casual, infrequent sales of firearms subject to a federal firearms dealer’s license. Yet that was a bridge too far even for the Obama ATF. The agency instead released “guidance” on the issue that did not establish the specific numerical trigger for licensing gun controllers had demanded, instead focusing on the “specific facts and circumstances of [the seller’s] activities.”
The gun control coalition, however, hopes Biden will be more aggressive, urging him to “[f]urther clarify which gun sellers must obtain a federal firearms license from ATF.”
Their letter additionally calls for an outright ban on “ghost guns.” While it doesn’t explain or define this term, it is frequently used by the media and other gun control advocates to describe unserialized firearms, including those that Americans make for their own lawful use. Any attempt to ban such homemade firearms, which have been a lawful aspect of American gun culture since before the nation’s founding, would be clear overreach.
The Trace article goes even further, urging Biden to instruct ATF to reclassify popular firearms currently owned by millions of Americans as regulated under the National Firearms Act, which requires special government permission and taxation for making, transfer, and possession. This suggestion was based, in turn, on a proposal by the leftist Center for American Progress. The guns mentioned include braced pistols and shotguns with bird’s head-style grips like the Mossberg Shockwave or the Remington TAC-14.
Should such reclassification occur, these millions of gun owners would suddenly be in felony possession of firearms they had previously obtained legally and in good faith. While it’s possible an “amnesty” could be declared – perhaps allowing the owners to register and obtain tax stamps for their guns or even just to surrender them without prosecution – there’s no guarantee this would be the case. Yet even the best-case scenario would still have the gun owners declaring themselves as such to a hostile and disapproving federal government and paying a $200 tax for each newly-classified firearm.
Should any of these scenarios come to pass, persecuted gun owners would have nowhere to turn but the courts. Fortunately, as the NRA has noted repeatedly, one of President Trump’s most enduring legacies has been his progress in reshaping the federal judiciary with appointees who are dedicated to the rule of law and the original meaning of the U.S. Constitution.
Whether this backstop will curb the gun-grabbing ambitions of a possible Biden-Harris administration remains to be seen. But as The Trace article makes clear, their supporters and funders in the gun-ban lobby remain as insistent and unhinged as ever.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20201123/gun-grabbers-demand-unprecedented-executive-actions?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ila_alert
Great-Kazoo
11-24-2020, 18:40
Kinda like when the NRA supported the EA on novel redefinition and subsequent banning of bump stocks, a device that is NOT a machine gun and has been legal for years? Like that?
Slippery slope, you grifting sons of bitches (NRA).
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20201123/gun-grabbers-demand-unprecedented-executive-actions?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ila_alert
That sounds good to them. Till someone EA's their ass, in the middle of the night. Cause you know someone, somewhere, has nothing better to do, while sheltering in place. At least that's how the media will spin it. OR we'll have another vegas scenario. One that, to date, has never been related to anything right wing, trump, the nra, or other buzz word.
I don't think that falls under EO and rule making scope. Import of the above- maybe yes?
Can't the ATF just redefine "pistols" as exempted from the NFA to include only single-shot .17 caliber guns? That requires no cooperation from the President or Congress, just cover via the media and courts.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/gun-control-first-for-biden-executive-orders
Speaking in a Zoom briefing hosted by Georgetown University?s Institute of Politics and Public Service, she said that Biden is planning to ?make big, bold changes through executive action, not just on policing and climate like we talked about previously, but in healthcare and education on gun violence, on a range of issues.?
If harris/biden is inaugurated that means they cheated and stole the election. Why follow the constitution when you just stole an election.
Aloha_Shooter
12-11-2020, 14:37
First executive action will be to terminate any investigations into his son or his son's contacts.
What the NRA should be doing is racing to the supreme court with every firearm case they can get their hands on, while we have 6/3 stacked.
We need cases before the court, before one of the conservatives gets attacked by a pillow while on vacation.
What the NRA will be doing is sending emails and soliciting donations, and...
dot. dot. dot.
TEAMRICO
12-11-2020, 18:32
[QUOTEIf harris/biden is inaugurated that means they cheated and stole the election. Why follow the constitution when you just stole an election.[/QUOTE]
Well, now what?
[QUOTEIf harris/biden is inaugurated that means they cheated and stole the election. Why follow the constitution when you just stole an election.
Well, now what?[/QUOTE]
“...Foreign AND domestic...”, ‘toon S’rnt. :D
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