View Full Version : We are SO screwed
Singlestack
11-06-2020, 10:31
Mini Rant.
Unless the President and Barr have something up their sleeve that we haven't seen, such as hard evidence of fraud, the Harris administration will take office in January. If you have been paying attention, the vote counting "irregularities" in Nevada, Michigan, PA, and Georgia are much more than coincidence. Way beyond unlikely, such as 100,000 "new ballots in MI that are 100% for Biden. If the Dems can get away with stealing state elections, this will likely give them the senate in 2022 since all of the seats they need to defend are considered "safe". The lawsuits need to play out, but we have already seen the dems breaking election laws in their own states. If they are comfortable with that, what is to keep them from destroying "problematic" ballots before a recount takes place - especially with republican poll watchers illegally barred from monitoring?
We all know that if Barr/Durham don't indict anyone for the massive lawbreaking that took place for the attempted coup, that will embolden the lawbreakers to do even more lawbreaking. Some with the elections.
Great chance of dark times ahead.
My $0.02...
I hear your concerns, but don't think D's are stealing it. I think the vote counting is pretty accurate and reflects the state of the country. The D's poured an enormous amount of money into the election and in lots of places it paid off just barely. Trump did a great job rallying his base but there was alot he could have done to win over undecideds and he just didn't (think stimulus bill, less crazy tweets that distracted from his economic message, etc..). I think the loss sits squarely with Trump for not reining in the chaos and just focusing on the economy and law-and-order (ie. act presidential and get off twitter, stop calling people names,..). I think the people who are really screwed are the far-left/progressives who moderate D's are blaming for such a poor showing in congress and state houses.
Anyway, I think the 2A is safe for now since I don't think Biden will try to pack the court. The R's can avoid a ban by focusing on background checks. The people that promise to come after our AR-14's (that's a Biden reference) are the same people that want to defund the police and let mobs run wild in their cities so I an confident they won't get very far on that agenda.
Trump (and his people) should accept the vote counts even if it means losing cause that's what happens some time. He can take credit for ushering permanent changes immigration and foreign policy for the better, economic-nationalism is here to stay in both parties, he purged his party of never-Trumper's R's who represent 30 years of incompetence, indifference, and fecklessness that created the rage that got him elected, and the federal bench is overwhelmingly conservative now. He made the R's the party of the working class (look at exit polls and see that economic concerns were issue #1 for Trump voters), and made inroads with non traditional voting groups across the board. D's are now dependent on fringe leftwing 'activists' and ultra-rich tech donors. Of course the R's might go back to their old ways but I think if they stick with populism, economic nationalism, and champion a wealth tax that bleeds the D's donor class dry then they will be on top for a generation.
So yeah I think Trump honestly lost, but as the most consequential president in a generation he should take the loss like a man and go out with his head held high.
Aloha_Shooter
11-06-2020, 11:57
Oh, the Dems are definitely stealing it. They've been working on creating loopholes and ways for them to manufacture votes for years. That's the whole reason they were pushing same-day registration, motor voter laws, bundling to allow people to drop off multiple ballots. The MSM has been complicit in covering up these machinations and even pushing the false narratives (e.g., the National Popular Vote crap in 113), ignoring clearly documented history and civics in order to support their agenda.
The 2A is hardly safe, Biden will work more surreptitiously than trying to pack the SCOTUS -- although I expect Dems will still push to do that if they are able to steal enough seats to take the Senate. They have depended on court mandates for decades to create "laws" that they couldn't get passed legislatively.
The MSM is going to do everything they can to make Trump look petulant so he needs to exercise some restraint in his Tweets but he should NOT blindly accept these vote counts. That was the mistake the GOP made in Minnesota in 2008, allowing Al Frank to steal the Senate seat and thereby giving the Dems the critical vote they needed to override cloture (that plus the illegal swap of a new candidate for Torricelli in NJ when it was clear the Torch would lose if his name was left on the ballot).
Martinjmpr
11-06-2020, 12:06
The MSM is going to do everything they can to make Trump look petulant
Trump needs no help in that regard. ;)
funkymonkey1111
11-06-2020, 12:48
Oh, the Dems are definitely stealing it.
yeah, but an account formed a year ago with its first post in this thread says otherwise....
If allowed to stand, the whole concept of an alliance of states to put all electoral votes toward the winner of the national popular vote will lead to mob rule. There will never be another Republican president elected again. We will then be truly screwed. The shift in power will be rigged entirely in a singular direction with a guaranteed outcome. Game over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
ETA: Looking at the glass half full, does this mean I won't need a passport anymore? Open borders and all.
Here is how it is going to work out. Both senate races in Georgia will go to a runoff on Jan 5 and that is THE fork in the road for this country. One will go red for sure, and maybe both will. Might have a shot at winning one which would leave the senate tied and I guess Harris gets to be the final vote to pass whatever gun bans for Sleepy Joe to sign off on.
This Senate race in Georgia will be for ALL the marbles, liberals winning that means you get to actually fight for your guns or give them up, you get to pay for the green new deal, you get to finance a bunch of foreigner's medical insurance, and you get to watch DC become a state with two more Liberal activist senators. Expect a push for Puerto Rico too and that will secure a blue senate until we blow this whole thing up.
This country has not been in this precarious of a situation since the Cvil War and there seems to be only one way to solve problems when it gets that bad. If we go blue on Jan 5 and it goes further blue in 2024... Well, you can figure out the rest if you know your history.
glocktoberfest
11-06-2020, 15:02
I think they're stealing it
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1324783531139235841
Why do we assume Puerto Rico would be blue?
Great-Kazoo
11-06-2020, 15:15
LBJ stole Texas.
LBJ also gave us THE GREAT SOCIETY Which has morphed to free shit for all, as well as generations of family members, living of the gov teat.
BushMasterBoy
11-06-2020, 15:22
This is why we don't drink pigs milk. It is bitter.
yeah, but an account formed a year ago with its first post in this thread says otherwise....
I joined to share my planned CMMG 22lr upper build but then job/pandemic/economy/ammo-shortage got in the way. I will try to be more active, promise. :(
I think they're stealing it
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1324783531139235841
Reading that Pelosi is involved with thos software company. What a disaster. We're never going to get the real results.
Why do we assume Puerto Rico would be blue?
Not saying you can't but feel free to prove me wrong. Besides, that is not the one they are going to push hard for anyway, it's DC.
DC already has 3 electoral college votes. If DC wants senatorial representation, and full Congressional representation, I?m all for incorporating them back into Maryland. Nobody cares if the nation?s capital is in a specific state anymore. There?s no way a tiny speck of land that consistently votes in Soviet Russian style 93+% for ANY candidate or party should be given its own statehood. Period. And/or we can redraw the DC boundaries to include only public land/parks and bar anyone from ?residing? within the district?s boundaries. Give the current residential areas back to Maryland, and they can be represented just like residents of any other state.
As for Puerto Rico and Guam, don?t the Dems tell us they are a legacy of our ?imperial? past? Shouldn?t we be talking about ending the US?s ?imperial? legacy and giving our remaining territories freedom like we did with the Philippines, not incorporating them into the imperial system?
I?m also all for discussing incorporating the tiny Democrat strongholds of Connecticut and Rhode Island into Massachusetts and calling it New England. While we?re at it, let?s throw Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine into one state also.
Somehow I don?t see the Democrat?s agreeing to this solution, as this is the only way they even come close to control of the Senate.
Way beyond unlikely, such as 100,000 "new ballots in MI that are 100% for Biden.
Outside of cheating that is statistically impossible.
Based on how things have gone for the last...10...20 years...I have basically no confidence in our government that anything can or will be done about it.
hollohas
11-06-2020, 17:10
There's more than just Antrim County having a 5,500 vote swing in favor of Biden by mistake, that was later corrected to Trump taking the county.
Biden takes Antrim County with 62%!!!
Oops, nevermind, Trump takes it by 56%. Those silly vote tabulating machines. ;)
Look up Oakland County Michigan. Another 1,000+ vote swing. A dem candidate was declared the winner...but oops, they accidentally reported some votes twice...fix that and the Republican candidate actually won.
Michigan has some serious problems...
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020/11/06/oakland-county-election-2020-race-results/6184186002/
hollohas
11-06-2020, 17:12
Outside of cheating that is statistically impossible.
Oh, don't you worry. That was just an innocent "typo". They got it fixed after it got pointed out and social media labeled it as false.
How many haven't been fixed...
Zundfolge
11-06-2020, 17:27
Why do we assume Puerto Rico would be blue?
AOC was elected (and re-elected) by a Puerto Rican neighborhood in NYC.
Also Puerto Rican politics is way left
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico#Political_parties_and_elections
Great article summarizing a lot of the visible issues. https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/
OtterbatHellcat
11-07-2020, 00:09
I'm disgusted with this election, and seriously disappointed in our nation.
I didn't think that many folks were stupid enough to actually vote for communism.
https://i.imgur.com/cvJrICr.png
palepainter
11-07-2020, 08:39
I laugh at the fact that Trump supporters have been called racists for the past 8 years and yet the democrats voted for a douche nozzle, who’s running mate called him a racist.
Or that the left just spent the summer protesting police violence and unfair enforcement of the law, then elected the guy who wrote the 1997 Crime Bill and a woman who prevented people from getting parole so she could maintain a free labor force (previously referred to as slavery).
Zundfolge
11-07-2020, 13:06
I laugh at the fact that Trump supporters have been called racists for the past 8 years and yet the democrats voted for a douche nozzle, who’s running mate called him a racist.
That and the last four years the left has been screaming that $30,000 in Facebook ads paid for by some Russians somehow "stole" the 2016 election, but now if you question the obvious, in your face fraud that is the 2020 election you're a stupid conspiracy nut.
bellavite1
11-07-2020, 13:17
Guess what, outside of our like minded people, nobody cares whether it is a legitimate election or not.
The world is happy to have gotten rid of him.
He was not a politician and as such he was a major pain in the ass for the establishment.
Nobody thought he could win in 2016, they did not take him seriously and he flew under the radar.
That was not going to happen again.
Never forget.
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
I know I appreciate the links and info people have been posting. It will be interesting to see how some of this matures as more info comes in.
That said, I still don't think we have a pragmatic, long term solution besides sweeping the executive in 2024. If Biden makes it that long, he'll be as effective of an incumbent as a burnt piece of toast. Plant a flag on the hill, and win or lose, in 2024 it might very well cost us everything, and we could have someone like AOC in the executive office. With conservative control of the senate, they can only do so much, and with Biden, by 2024 their voters will be both unsatisfied and also unmotivated if Biden is in.
I really am curious about peoples long term scenarios, or in other words, "what happens if we do what you suggest". One part of me would like a deep investigation into these issues, the other part of me knows that the way our government is, it wouldn't change the outcome (and even if it could, not without descending us into civil war).
In other words, what's the realistic/pragmatic solutions? It seems like a lot of the GOP are adapting this approach and pragmatically ignoring Trump, right - or wrong.
Trump was never the savior of the country that people thought he was. He was anti-establishment, which was nice, but that's as far as any praise for him can go. If there was ever a choice to fix a serious issue with this country, or risk his ratings, he'd pick ratings every time. We've been shown that someone anti-establishment can get into office, and that's enough. The country doesn't have to keep hanging their hat for a piece of shit. There are hundreds of MILLIONS of people in this country and I bet there are hundreds of thousands that would be better leaders than Trump ever could be. It's just a matter of finding them.
There was always going to be an adjustment after Trump. Is sooner better than later? I don't know. I'm not happy about a Biden/Harris ticket, but it probably won't be much worse than any of the past heavy establishment presidents we've had.
Bailey Guns
11-07-2020, 14:11
https://youtu.be/Db_qXKBle08
I agree with Irving. I'm not happy that Biden and Harris will be taking the reigns, but I'm happy Trump is gone. He cared more about how he looked than how we were doing as a country. His handling of COVID has been a great example of that. Stealing medical equipment, withholding aid for the hundreds of thousands of people the government forced out of work. His frequent throwing of temper tantrums like a petulant child on Twitter. For a guy who wrote Art of the Deal, he only had the most basic concepts of negotiating and most of it was being needlessly hostile.
He was a shining example to the rest of the world of the worst traits that can be found among us. Putting himself ahead of everyone else, narcissism, unwarranted aggression against others.
Trump was never the savior of the country that people thought he was. He was anti-establishment, which was nice, but that's as far as any praise for him can go. If there was ever a choice to fix a serious issue with this country, or risk his ratings, he'd pick ratings every time. We've been shown that someone anti-establishment can get into office, and that's enough. The country doesn't have to keep hanging their hat for a piece of shit. There are hundreds of MILLIONS of people in this country and I bet there are hundreds of thousands that would be better leaders than Trump ever could be. It's just a matter of finding them.
There was always going to be an adjustment after Trump. Is sooner better than later? I don't know. I'm not happy about a Biden/Harris ticket, but it probably won't be much worse than any of the past heavy establishment presidents we've had.
Well said. And I know he had has his supporters that may never agree...
He never did "drain the swamp". Not one arrest, not one prosecution from his administration. He was a populist, very divisive candidate, with a few notable accomplishments (mostly in judicial appointments), maybe very select foreign policy improvements (Israel) but also a lot of foreign policy losses. He also had a lot of failings, and that's ignoring the narcissistic buffoonery. He's not the ideal candidate a lot of people made him out to be and accomplished almost none of his promises, which is not unusual when it comes to politicking.
I have a lot of hope for 2024, ironically if Biden is president. I hope they don't scooch Kamala in there like we all know they want.
Dark days are ahead if this close election turns into an all out legal battle and Trump doesn't ever concede. Some want that here, but there is no long term future in that.
I agree with Irving. I'm not happy that Biden and Harris will be taking the reigns, but I'm happy Trump is gone. He cared more about how he looked than how we were doing as a country. His handling of COVID has been a great example of that. Stealing medical equipment, withholding aid for the hundreds of thousands of people the government forced out of work. His frequent throwing of temper tantrums like a petulant child on Twitter. For a guy who wrote Art of the Deal, he only had the most basic concepts of negotiating and most of it was being needlessly hostile.
He was a shining example to the rest of the world of the worst traits that can be found among us. Putting himself ahead of everyone else, narcissism, unwarranted aggression against others.
Care to elaborate?
hollohas
11-07-2020, 15:24
If there was ever a choice to fix a serious issue with this country, or risk his ratings, he'd pick ratings every time.
What issues did he choose ratings over a fix? And are there any other politicians that don't do that? Virtually everything he did got completely and utterly torn apart by the mainstream.
Middle East Peace accords? Got zero applause.
Tax cuts? Never happened/only benefited the rich.
Booming economy? That was Obama's.
Close the borders to slow spread of virus? Too soon/Racist.
Virus spread? He didn't do enough soon enough.
Less than the projected 3M people died from Covid? His fault 200k died.
Fund black colleges? Covering for being a racist.
Manufacturing moving back to America? Ignored.
Everything he's done has gotten bad ratings. His "ratings" are zero stars with 24/7 negative press. Even FoxNews has been critical of him for the last couple years.
The establishment conservatives hate him and trash him constantly (Licoln Project, The Weekly Standard, etc). A few conservative talking heads (Rush, Hannity) support him but his natioanl media platform support is limited.
Many of you have been staying he's only in it for himself but I don't see any evidence of that and no one has presented any evidence of that. He's gone from a widely admired individual before he walked down the stairs to a man 50% of the country hates down to their core.
He's far from prefect, like all past presidents, and I don't care for his public personality much at all, but I think he's done a pretty good job of doing things to benefit America.
There's just too many people that hate him that no matter what he does, good for America or not, they will aggressively trash him and pull the country apart until they get their way and get rid of him. It's those people who have put their interests before the country, not Trump.
Biden better not get used to that comfy leather seat in the oval office. My prediction is that he won't be there long. He was just a means to an end. They (the Progressive Left) want Harris in that seat so bad they can taste it. The wolves will be circling Biden before long. I don't have a crystal ball, but I'll bet within the first year he's pushed out...one way or another. Ammo & gun sales are going to soar, once again. Get used to empty shelves, .80 cents/per round on 9mm as the norm, and gun prices going up. One of my concerns in the coming months is the COVID-19 vaccine. I predict it to be one of those, "Well, you don't have to get it, but you won't be able to go to X number of places until you do". Thus making it such an inconvenience that you are forced into the vaccine. The war on police will continue to grow with Biden/Harris in office. Racial tensions will also continue to rise. Eventually, there will be a barrage of attacks on the 2nd Amendment, some which will result in absurd restrictions on items we already own. We will likely hit another recession as oil/gas prices skyrocket. There certainly are better options out there for a Republican ticket in the future, question is, who will it be?
Our economy is, and mostly has been, a house of cards with artificially low interest rates. Higher interest rates would be more healthy. When Powell was raising interest rates, Trump was more interested in kicking the can down the road to falsely prop up the economy for a long as possible and wanted to fire him. Not everything this country needs is easy or fun. Don't talk about making the country better, then balk when you have a chance to actually do it.
Jumpstart
11-07-2020, 15:53
Take a look at the long, long, list of things Trump accomplished as 45. It is somewhat jaw dropping. Then throw in being under constant attack for 4 years from all side and people by his side. He will go down as one of the best presidents in that light alone. This may not be over yet.
Care to elaborate?
I'm also curious. Trump shutdown international travel, but the shutdowns, including hospitals, were done at the state level.
What issues did he choose ratings over a fix? And are there any other politicians that don't do that? Virtually everything he did got completely and utterly torn apart by the mainstream.
Middle East Peace accords? Got zero applause.
Tax cuts? Never happened/only benefited the rich.
Booming economy? That was Obama's.
Close the borders to slow spread of virus? Too soon/Racist.
Virus spread? He didn't do enough soon enough.
Less than the projected 3M people died from Covid? His fault 200k died.
Fund black colleges? Covering for being a racist.
Manufacturing moving back to America? Ignored.
Everything he's done has gotten bad ratings. His "ratings" are zero stars with 24/7 negative press. Even FoxNews has been critical of him for the last couple years.
The establishment conservatives hate him and trash him constantly (Licoln Project, The Weekly Standard, etc). A few conservative talking heads (Rush, Hannity) support him but his natioanl media platform support is limited.
Many of you have been staying he's only in it for himself but I don't see any evidence of that and no one has presented any evidence of that. He's gone from a widely admired individual before he walked down the stairs to a man 50% of the country hates down to their core.
He's far from prefect, like all past presidents, and I don't care for his public personality much at all, but I think he's done a pretty good job of doing things to benefit America.
There's just too many people that hate him that no matter what he does, good for America or not, they will aggressively trash him and pull the country apart until they get their way and get rid of him. It's those people who have put their interests before the country, not Trump.
Where's that LIKE button?
Biden better not get used to that comfy leather seat in the oval office. My prediction is that he won't be there long. He was just a means to an end. They (the Progressive Left) want Harris in that seat so bad they can taste it. The wolves will be circling Biden before long. I don't have a crystal ball, but I'll bet within the first year he's pushed out...one way or another. Ammo & gun sales are going to soar, once again. Get used to empty shelves, .80 cents/per round on 9mm as the norm, and gun prices going up. One of my concerns in the coming months is the COVID-19 vaccine. I predict it to be one of those, "Well, you don't have to get it, but you won't be able to go to X number of places until you do". Thus making it such an inconvenience that you are forced into the vaccine. The war on police will continue to grow with Biden/Harris in office. Racial tensions will also continue to rise. Eventually, there will be a barrage of attacks on the 2nd Amendment, some which will result in absurd restrictions on items we already own. We will likely hit another recession as oil/gas prices skyrocket. There certainly are better options out there for a Republican ticket in the future, question is, who will it be?
...and will it matter? We're not playing a "fair" game and the rules are being made on the fly. I fully expect redistricting to be able to dilute the Republican vote and make it ineffective.
...and will it matter? We're not playing a "fair" game and the rules are being made on the fly. I fully expect redistricting to be able to dilute the Republican vote and make it ineffective.
It likely won't matter. Seems the Progressive "blue wave" is here to stay and will only continue to get worse. For me, it's going to be life as usual. Still gonna keep my eyes and ears open to see what happens from here, but I'm not going to stress about it. In fact, life has gotten much better since I quit stressing over shit I can't control anyway.
Care to elaborate?
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52161995
Though I'll concede the withholding unemployment aid is McConnell's fault, not Trumps.
Didn’t the “popular vote” thing pass here too? Adding another state to the future no-electoral-college process? It’s gonna be ugly soon, I’m afraid. Soon could mean 4 years, but I doubt it.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52161995
Though I'll concede the withholding unemployment aid is McConnell's fault, not Trumps.
I guess you missed the whole ordeal with Pelosi in both rounds.
Zundfolge
11-07-2020, 19:14
What issues did he choose ratings over a fix? And are there any other politicians that don't do that? Virtually everything he did got completely and utterly torn apart by the mainstream.
Middle East Peace accords? Got zero applause.
Tax cuts? Never happened/only benefited the rich.
Booming economy? That was Obama's.
Close the borders to slow spread of virus? Too soon/Racist.
Virus spread? He didn't do enough soon enough.
Less than the projected 3M people died from Covid? His fault 200k died.
Fund black colleges? Covering for being a racist.
Manufacturing moving back to America? Ignored.
Everything he's done has gotten bad ratings. His "ratings" are zero stars with 24/7 negative press. Even FoxNews has been critical of him for the last couple years.
The establishment conservatives hate him and trash him constantly (Licoln Project, The Weekly Standard, etc). A few conservative talking heads (Rush, Hannity) support him but his natioanl media platform support is limited.
Many of you have been staying he's only in it for himself but I don't see any evidence of that and no one has presented any evidence of that. He's gone from a widely admired individual before he walked down the stairs to a man 50% of the country hates down to their core.
He's far from prefect, like all past presidents, and I don't care for his public personality much at all, but I think he's done a pretty good job of doing things to benefit America.
There's just too many people that hate him that no matter what he does, good for America or not, they will aggressively trash him and pull the country apart until they get their way and get rid of him. It's those people who have put their interests before the country, not Trump.
This is why the left will eventually win. Too many suffer from Gell-Mann amnesia effect ... even people on the non-left believe the mountain of lies told about the man by a MSM that acts more as the propaganda wing for the Democrat party than the impartial arbiters of information they claim to be.
As members of "The Gun Culture" we should be used to the idea that everything the media says is agenda driven lies.
nighterfighter
11-07-2020, 19:33
Didn’t the “popular vote” thing pass here too? Adding another state to the future no-electoral-college process? It’s gonna be ugly soon, I’m afraid. Soon could mean 4 years, but I doubt it.
Yes. But it isn't in effect until they have enough states so that their electoral college vote is >= 270.
It is currently at 196, and 60 more votes are pending. But they could get 270 before the next major election, as it is up to each state to decide when to amend their own rules.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52161995
Though I'll concede the withholding unemployment aid is McConnell's fault, not Trumps.
To the victor goes the spoils. Arr!
"Trump's killing Americans."
"Trump's stealing PPE."
FFS, which is it?
As to the stimulus packages. Do you really not pay attention to the pork Pelosi tries to push through on these? Funding for programs that DO NOT help American business or workers.
The dims can't put a bill together without trying to add in some BS. They just can't help themselves.
As @Gman mentioned, if popular vote is in effect, Republican party is most likely (not fully) done. My guess we won't see republican candidate winning for about 4 to 5 terms.
It will be probably between Democrat vs Socialist.
Aloha_Shooter
11-07-2020, 22:59
Trump was never the savior of the country that people thought he was. He was anti-establishment, which was nice, but that's as far as any praise for him can go. If there was ever a choice to fix a serious issue with this country, or risk his ratings, he'd pick ratings every time. We've been shown that someone anti-establishment can get into office, and that's enough. The country doesn't have to keep hanging their hat for a piece of shit. There are hundreds of MILLIONS of people in this country and I bet there are hundreds of thousands that would be better leaders than Trump ever could be. It's just a matter of finding them.
Mmmm ... I happen to detest the guy personally but you can go a lot farther in praising his ability to shake up the halls of power and introduce chaos into the nomenklatura that have built up in the federal and state bureaucracies like in the old Soviet Union. That work is part of what undermined him because a lot of the Republicans couldn't stand that kind of shake-up either. His ego is the size of Canada but he went a long way in attempting to fix serious issues in the country. It's hard when you have the bureaucracy fighting you every step of the way.
A leader gets things done. Sometimes that's with people hating his/her guts. A lot of vets hated MacArthur's in 1939. Trump is a showman and salesman through and through, I've said this before. You have to look past what he says or how he brags and look at what he does. He never shows what he's really doing or thinking -- part of why he's always been a sharp dealer when negotiating (and I'm not being complimentary when I say that).
There was always going to be an adjustment after Trump. Is sooner better than later? I don't know. I'm not happy about a Biden/Harris ticket, but it probably won't be much worse than any of the past heavy establishment presidents we've had.
Oh yes it can and will much worse. The Left has been trying to fundamentally rewrite history, the Constitution, and society for decades. They started getting serious with the fraud when they tried to manufacture votes for Gore in Florida in 2000, they got serious with it when they stole a Senate seat for Al Frank (and it took them 3 selective recounts in a Democratic stronghold to do so) in 2008, and they seem to have perfected it in 2018 with ballot harvesting and other tactics nationwide. Getting away with this puts wind in their sales and increases the momentum for the anti-American brigade as well as the coalition of MSM, Big Tech, and Hollywood that believe they can dictate what America thinks.
Singlestack
11-07-2020, 23:03
To me the kill shot to the USA was the almost complete and total takeover and synchronization of the leftist media. It is truly impressive to just go from channel to channel or newspaper to newspaper and see the exact same words and phrases used in absolute synchronization. There has always been "liberal bias" in the media, but nothing at all compared to what it is right now. Having listened to it a lot frequently and compared to mainstream media, the biggest difference is actually not bias in the stories they report but rather what stories are completely and totally ignored. I see the power in that all the time. When I have a discussion about the news with my progressive inlaws, I bring up major stories that they have never even heard of. I get accused all the time of being a conspiracy theorist since they haven't heard that on the "neutral" CNN and NBC news they watch.
An example of this was the Covington kids story from a few years ago. When I told the inlaws the leftists were harrassing the high school kids and getting into Sandman's face, they completely dismissed me as spreading lies and conspiracy theories since they had not heard it before, and it it really happened they would have heard it on the news. I truly believe there are so many otherwise good people that are being brainwashed and they have no idea. Now, with social media also in on the censorship act and control of information, I think it is inevitable that the US as we knew it fails relatively soon.
Whenever I meet someone who wants to discuss current events, my first question is always where they get their news. No point in trying to convince them of anything, in most cases.
It likely won't matter. Seems the Progressive "blue wave" is here to stay and will only continue to get worse. For me, it's going to be life as usual. Still gonna keep my eyes and ears open to see what happens from here, but I'm not going to stress about it. In fact, life has gotten much better since I quit stressing over shit I can't control anyway.
Here, here. If anyone has social media I sincerely suggest you delete it. Been world of difference for me since that. And I wasn't even a heavy user. People are a lot different when you engage only face to face. And media is always trying to sell you the next doom and gloom.
Our economy is, and mostly has been, a house of cards with artificially low interest rates. Higher interest rates would be more healthy. When Powell was raising interest rates, Trump was more interested in kicking the can down the road to falsely prop up the economy for a long as possible and wanted to fire him. Not everything this country needs is easy or fun. Don't talk about making the country better, then balk when you have a chance to actually do it.
This.
I am proponent of a guy who think our rate is damn too low. 48th president and the fed would not have a room to go anywhere.
It is like fed and president playing hot potato and whoever hold that shit bag of potato will be "the worst president" ever. (Although it tricked starting reagan all the way now and near future).
Some international economist mat argue that it is global economy and we need to be in near ball park as EU and China. I understand that we do not wanna be like late 80s to 2000s of where Japan's fiscal and monetary was at, but we need to be aware.
As I wrote before (more than 100 times), everyone FEELS RICH AND BETTER OFF because they are getting 1-2m mortgage easier and easily finance 100k cars than 13 years back.
battlemidget
11-08-2020, 05:35
I remember in the 80s when mortgage rates were 12-13%.
Bailey Guns
11-08-2020, 05:43
What issues did he choose ratings over a fix? And are there any other politicians that don't do that? Virtually everything he did got completely and utterly torn apart by the mainstream.
Middle East Peace accords? Got zero applause.
Tax cuts? Never happened/only benefited the rich.
Booming economy? That was Obama's.
Close the borders to slow spread of virus? Too soon/Racist.
Virus spread? He didn't do enough soon enough.
Less than the projected 3M people died from Covid? His fault 200k died.
Fund black colleges? Covering for being a racist.
Manufacturing moving back to America? Ignored.
Everything he's done has gotten bad ratings. His "ratings" are zero stars with 24/7 negative press. Even FoxNews has been critical of him for the last couple years.
The establishment conservatives hate him and trash him constantly (Licoln Project, The Weekly Standard, etc). A few conservative talking heads (Rush, Hannity) support him but his natioanl media platform support is limited.
Many of you have been staying he's only in it for himself but I don't see any evidence of that and no one has presented any evidence of that. He's gone from a widely admired individual before he walked down the stairs to a man 50% of the country hates down to their core.
He's far from prefect, like all past presidents, and I don't care for his public personality much at all, but I think he's done a pretty good job of doing things to benefit America.
There's just too many people that hate him that no matter what he does, good for America or not, they will aggressively trash him and pull the country apart until they get their way and get rid of him. It's those people who have put their interests before the country, not Trump.
This is exactly the truth. So many people parrot the lie that Trump hasn't done anything except further his personal agenda and that's just not true. I'm tired of arguing with people about it. It's obvious TDS runs deep...even with many who should know better. The brainwashing of America against one of the most effective presidents we've had was certainly accomplished by the left and the media. It's a shame people can't focus on the truth a little more and on Trump's bloviating a little less. I wouldn't care to have him date my daughter but I like the way he ran the country.
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2020, 08:07
I remember in the 80s when mortgage rates were 12-13%.
13.5% for VA, 21% for credit cards.
This is exactly the truth. So many people parrot the lie that Trump hasn't done anything except further his personal agenda and that's just not true. I'm tired of arguing with people about it. It's obvious TDS runs deep...even with many who should know better. The brainwashing of America against one of the most effective presidents we've had was certainly accomplished by the left and the media. It's a shame people can't focus on the truth a little more and on Trump's bloviating a little less. I wouldn't care to have him date my daughter but I like the way he ran the country.
Excellent comments.
President Trump was nominated for FOUR hard-earned Nobel Peace Prizes. He worked very hard for these unlike his lameass predecessor. I wonder how the Harris administration will treat Israel, Israel's partners and these agreements.
I was watching a Ricky Rebel Trump promotion, I didn't know this but Trump was doing a ton of work combatting AIDS.
Prison reform is another one that doesn't get much press.
Trump is tireless, he is one of those rare individuals that can operate 100% on 4 or 5 hours of sleep, he has clearly defined goals and works constantly towards them.
Zundfolge
11-08-2020, 09:08
This is exactly the truth. So many people parrot the lie that Trump hasn't done anything except further his personal agenda and that's just not true. I'm tired of arguing with people about it. It's obvious TDS runs deep...even with many who should know better. The brainwashing of America against one of the most effective presidents we've had was certainly accomplished by the left and the media. It's a shame people can't focus on the truth a little more and on Trump's bloviating a little less. I wouldn't care to have him date my daughter but I like the way he ran the country.
I know, this idea that he's in this for himself is just stupid. His net worth has taken a huge hit over the last 4 years and he has donated his presidential salary so how on earth is he doing all this to line his own pockets?
I know, this idea that he's in this for himself is just stupid. His net worth has taken a huge hit over the last 4 years and he has donated his presidential salary so how on earth is he doing all this to line his own pockets?
And
President Trump, his family, and others have been under extreme scrutiny for over 4 years. If there was ANY impropriety the leftists would have it on the front page, EVERY FUCKING DAY for a year.
Bailey Guns
11-08-2020, 09:24
Exactly. How would HRC or Biden stand up to that same amount of media scrutiny? I'd suggest not nearly as well.
But what the fuck do I know? I'm just a "worshipper".
I don't think Trump did nothing. Working with Kim Kardashian to let people out of prison (speaking of people doing good things and not getting credit for it) was great. I haven't followed a lot of policy though and wonder, "was there actually any prison reform, or where a few people just let out of prison?"
I just can't imagine the next administration working with celebrities to let people out of prison. Speaking of, I bet Snowden and Assange are pretty disappointed right now.
I know, this idea that he's in this for himself is just stupid. His net worth has taken a huge hit over the last 4 years and he has donated his presidential salary so how on earth is he doing all this to line his own pockets?
Selfish motivations often do not equate just to pursuits of money. The true narcissist is incredibly sensitive to criticism, suffers from delusions of grandeur (they're the smartest person in the world, probably, the most stable genius there is), seeks constant praise and worship (they often even begin to believe they are something akin to a "god"), and suffers from black-white think, where "you're either for me, or against me" and they often turn on their closest allies for that reason.
It's not just "oh he has a huge ego issue", no he has a textbook personality disorder and quite severe at that.
Money doesn't worship Trump.... but some people do.
So yes, his motivations have always been selfish. If it wasn't for the fact he'd lose a huge part of his base he would have been asking everyone to pray to him, instead of "for him".
Bailey Guns
11-08-2020, 10:03
BFD... So he was a narcissist (I'll agree for the sake of argument). We've had presidents who've: had sex with barely legal interns in the Oval Office, given billions to terrorist regimes, and now one with ties to China that run so deep he could likely be blackmailed by them, not to mention the others with more serious flaws. Plus we barely dodged a bullet with one of the most corrupt people on the planet...HRC. Trump's character flaws pale in comparison to hers.
People are not perfect. A good case can be made that Trump did more to further the goals of this country at home and around the world more than any other modern-day president. We can either celebrate that or continually bitch because he liked himself. I choose to celebrate the good things.
Just give it a little time... You guys will be longing for the Trump days again before too long. I remember how much I despised Bill Clinton. By the time BHO had been in office a couple of years I was WISHING Bill Clinton was still president.
Bailey Guns
11-08-2020, 10:06
Saying people worship Trump because they like what he did for the country is as ridiculous as saying one is a racist because he disliked Obama's politics.
I like watching movies from a lot of Hollywood stars. They're great at what they do. Doesn't mean I worship them. On the contrary, based on their political views, I wouldn't piss on most of them if they were on fire.
Fentonite
11-08-2020, 10:15
Saying people worship Trump because they like what he did for the country is as ridiculous as saying one is a racist because he disliked Obama's politics.
I like watching movies from a lot of Hollywood stars. They're great at what they do. Doesn't mean I worship them. On the contrary, based on their political views, I wouldn't piss on most of them if they were on fire.
Spot on.
Zundfolge
11-08-2020, 10:25
Saying people worship Trump because they like what he did for the country is as ridiculous as saying one is a racist because he disliked Obama's politics.
I like watching movies from a lot of Hollywood stars. They're great at what they do. Doesn't mean I worship them. On the contrary, based on their political views, I wouldn't piss on most of them if they were on fire.
Amen
Zundfolge
11-08-2020, 10:36
Selfish motivations often do not equate just to pursuits of money...
First off there's a word for people without selfish motivations; Communists (and even they actually do, they just lie about them).
Secondly, you're making a lot of claims about the character of a man you don't know personally. Armchair psychiatry is less reliable than armchair quarterbacking.
And finally, I would be willing to bet I am the closest person on this forum to someone that actually knows the man (my aunt and uncle, that I just spent the last few months living next door to, are personal friends of Mike Pompeo ... my uncle sat Pompeo down at the very table I'll be eating Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner at and asked him bluntly "is Trump the jerk they claim he is or is he a good guy". Pompeo said "he's a good man and that the media is full of shit." Yes, this is third hand, but the hands it went through are people I trust implicitly).
Disparage that as blind worship if you like.
Saying people worship Trump because they like what he did for the country is as ridiculous as saying one is a racist because he disliked Obama's politics.
I like watching movies from a lot of Hollywood stars. They're great at what they do. Doesn't mean I worship them. On the contrary, based on their political views, I wouldn't piss on most of them if they were on fire.
I'm not equating Trump supporters to worshipers or conflating anything that way.... (This is worship. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/world/asia/india-trump-fan-dies.html)) and that misses the point. Donald didn't aspire to the presidency to help anybody out, or for altruistic motives, or to fix the country. He doesn't have that capacity. Like his fellows in the narcissistic disorder, he seeks power. He seeks adoration, praise. That doesn't mean he doesn't accomplish a thing here or there; it just means his purpose in it isn't to help you out of the goodness of his heart.
While most of us would be somewhat creeped out in Trump's when people go full-out-nuts like the Indian; a true Narcissist doesn't have those boundaries, they would relish being treated in any way as either "on a mission from" god or even as yo would treat a god itself. As in other disorders in the family, there is comorbidity and they don't have real capacity for empathy, love, or any higher emotions.
Anyone who objectively says "sure, he did this and that, but he also did this and that" is a mere supporter.
Anyone who thinks Donald Trump is e.g. sent by God himself, is a worshiper.
Bailey Guns
11-08-2020, 10:42
I'm not equating Trump supporters to worshipers or conflating anything that way....
Maybe not now. I could be wrong, but past remarks you've made, if you didn't explicitly say so you certainly implied that's how you felt. To be fair, it's not just you on the forum who's said that, though.
Zundfolge
11-08-2020, 11:13
Anyone who thinks Donald Trump is e.g. sent by God himself, is a worshiper.
To be fair, ALL leaders are "sent by God himself" ... good or bad. Romans 13:1 and all.
Delfuego
11-08-2020, 11:21
This country is ours. It's future is up to us. If we cannot get along with each other, then "we are screwed". It has almost nothing to do with the choice of clowns we are electing to local, state and national office. We are either gonna retreat into our tribes and fight or we are gonna try work together as a nation. This behavior has become more pronounced for the last few presidential cycles. Quit blaming the politicians or the media. Quit name calling. These are self-inflicted wounds. Time for the people of our country to stop looking at the television and start looking in the mirror.
We gotta write 1 good and 1 bad. :)
As long as we maintain SCOTUS and the Senate, I actually expect TRTKABA to improve in the next four years, regardless of who is in office. The only risk I see is pistol-brace stocks, to be honest. (since that is entirely by fiat, based on who controls the ATF and their interpretation of regulation)
Remember, according to people on November 4th, 2008, all our guns were supposed to have been confiscated by now by Obama.
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2020, 13:34
As long as we maintain SCOTUS and the Senate, I actually expect TRTKABA to improve in the next four years, regardless of who is in office. The only risk I see is pistol-brace stocks, to be honest. (since that is entirely by fiat, based on who controls the ATF and their interpretation of regulation)
Remember, according to people on November 4th, 2008, all our guns were supposed to have been confiscated by now by Obama.
I remember. But this tidbit must have slipped your mind , or memory
https://time.com/5676620/beto-orourke-take-guns-ar15-ak47/
Or this update, from the potential CIC.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden-promises-to-put-beto-orourke-in-charge-of-gun-control/
But hey. no one's coming for your guns .
tactical_2012
11-08-2020, 13:35
The way this election has gone and all the questionable things with ballots the Dem will take the Senate as well. There will be a ban on AR15s and like rifles as Biden has said he helped with the first ban and plans to do it again. I can also see the Dem go after all ammuntion that contains lead.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/29/opinion/get-lead-out-ammo/
BushMasterBoy
11-08-2020, 13:43
In 73 days!
Rucker61
11-08-2020, 15:39
The biggest tragedy to me, given the lack of willingness of the Democrats to investigate the potential shenanigans in the swing states, is that we'll have half the country who absolutely will not trust the election process anymore. If they have no chance at getting their voice represented in the government, what options do they have, and what will they do?
As long as we maintain SCOTUS and the Senate, I actually expect TRTKABA to improve in the next four years, regardless of who is in office. The only risk I see is pistol-brace stocks, to be honest. (since that is entirely by fiat, based on who controls the ATF and their interpretation of regulation)
Remember, according to people on November 4th, 2008, all our guns were supposed to have been confiscated by now by Obama.
https://youtu.be/l46t_nrySg4
We will have to do with whatever The New Adm says.. I will give them up to keep the peace.
Give em to us if you wanna roll over for the commie bastards.
https://youtu.be/WjmxbWJJuac
nighterfighter
11-08-2020, 18:23
We will have to do with whatever The New Adm says.. I will give them up to keep the peace.
That's what the U.K. did too. Starting with those scary assault rifles. Then the shotguns. Then the rabbit guns...
But there's no violent crime in the U.K. anymore, right?
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2020, 18:33
We will have to do with whatever The New Adm says.. I will give them up to keep the peace.
well i'll respond as politely as i can, and say, you're %^&* high . If you believe the left is taking this as anything but a mandate to purge the country of free thinking, individualism
to which either i missed, or you forgot to add, a sarcasm face.
SideShow Bob
11-08-2020, 18:46
you forgot to add, a sarcasm face.
I was about to post the same thing, but thought I would read all the posts that followed so that I wouldn’t be an echo.
If you've followed their recent posts, you'd know that it wasn't sarcasm.
Same poster mentioned Texas going blue.
Pretty easy to figure out what's worth reading and what to skip.
If you've followed their recent posts, you'd know that it wasn't sarcasm.
Same poster mentioned Texas going blue.
Pretty easy to figure out what's worth reading and what to skip.Is this one of those liberal gun owners I keep hearing about? Kinda like a Christian that supports killing babies or more like LGBT for Trump?
I remember in the 80s when mortgage rates were 12-13%.
Homes probably cost a fair bit less of someone's monthly income, too.
Nope.. Not H--h just have to play the hand we are dealt.. Period and you will also. Peace
I?d rather piss on the Kaaba during the Hajj while eating bacon and shouting Mohammed sucks.
And
President Trump, his family, and others have been under extreme scrutiny for over 4 years. If there was ANY impropriety the leftists would have it on the front page, EVERY FUCKING DAY for a year.
I mean, there was the Impeachment...
Zundfolge
11-08-2020, 20:38
Whats with all the sleeper accounts all of the sudden waking up and concern trolling?
I predict an exponential rise in boating accidents.
When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty---Thomas Jefferson
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2020, 21:56
Homes probably cost a fair bit less of someone's monthly income, too.
First home was $28K, with $5k downstroke. First of many VA loans for homes. Even though home prices were wayyyyyy lower than they are now. Based on the COL, that $640 monthly mortgage was a tough one to meet, sometimes.
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2020, 22:01
Nope.. Not H--h just have to play the hand we are dealt.. Period and you will also. Peace
I had a person in my life, believe they were going to relieve me of my wallet and vehicle. I played the hand dealt and came out a winner. I believe this time 50% of this country will support my decision. How many fold like a cheap suite, if and when the door bells start ringing, or kicked in. Well that's another story.
But to save you time. You might as well go to your local democrat politician and hand them over now. Why make them work for it.
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Why are you on this website, with an attitude, nay mentality, like that?
GilpinGuy
11-08-2020, 22:53
We will have to do with whatever The New Adm says.. I will give them up to keep the peace.
Nope.. Not H--h just have to play the hand we are dealt.. Period and you will also. Peace
So you'll cut off your sack if the "new admin" says so because that's the hand you were dealt? You're full of....some interesting ideas.
I keep reading all this commie bullshit about "getting along".
The commies have been calling me a racist since the Hawaiian cocksucker took office. When President Trump took office, I was called a nazi even though I've NEVER embraced socialism or genocide.
FUCK YOU democrats, go shove an anvil up your sorry commie asses.
kidicarus13
11-09-2020, 09:16
From NY Representative... this does not sound like they want to get along:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293
funkymonkey1111
11-09-2020, 09:40
Why are you on this website, with an attitude, nay mentality, like that?
The modern millennial gun owner is a rule follower, and has been his entire life. He does what mommy says to do
From NY Representative... this does not sound like they want to get along:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293
She wants us to "just get in the boxcar" like her nazi friends did 90 years ago.
lpgasman
11-09-2020, 09:52
From NY Representative... this does not sound like they want to get along:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293
Sounds like nazism, when can we expect the death squads? Half joking.
Sounds like nazism, when can we expect the death squads? Half joking.
Stalin did the same things as Hitler, the media covers for Stalin. The media won't cover for Hitler even though Nazism and Communism are quite close ideologically.
lpgasman
11-09-2020, 11:17
Stalin did the same things as Hitler, the media covers for Stalin. The media won't cover for Hitler even though Nazism and Communism are quite close ideologically.
Guess we can ask , who was worse and which ism can we expect here in the USA. I wish this wasn't a legitimate question but it seems that the left is pushing that agenda.
While blaming Trump and the right of being nazis of today.
Asking which one was worse is like asking if I'd rather be staked on a fire ant pile or shoved into a hornet's nest. :)
Bolshevik and Mensheviks.
BushMasterBoy
11-09-2020, 12:37
SecDef terminated. War with space aliens continues.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/trump-fires-esper/index.html
Bolsheviks murdered the Mensheviks.
Zundfolge
11-09-2020, 12:52
Guess we can ask , who was worse and which ism can we expect here in the USA.
As much as the American left appears to love Communism and hate Fascism, in reality they are more Fascist. Fascism is in essence Socialism with a thin veneer of capitalism. Basically instead of nationalizing industries like Communists, they'll leave the means of production in private hands on paper but control them with government bureaucrats.
For example, Stalin nationalized Russo-Balt but Hitler left the executives/owners in their positions at Mercedes but assigned commissars to be the liaison between Hitler's administration and the leadership of the company. In both cases, the government was in control of the industries but under Fascism they leave the day to day operations and minutia to the Capitalists that were in charge of it before the revolution.
Basically Crony-Capitalism is a form of Fascism.
Both are authoritarian regimes, but Fascism pretends they aren't changing society that much while Communism openly seeks to recreate every element of society and humanity in their image.
Both suck, both should be fought against to the death, both will become murderous regimes that see the individual citizen as a cog in the machine and the property of the state, but Fascism does have a slightly better chance of actually functioning.
kidicarus13
11-09-2020, 13:40
Sounds great. Happy Monday!
If they ask you to strip down and go into the showers but they don?t hand you a bar of soap, I?d be pretty suspicious.
TEAMRICO
11-09-2020, 16:28
One, who uses bars soap anymore? They may have liquid body wash inside. Geesh people.
Hitler was a coward who didn?t have the power to place Germany on A ?Total War? footing til July of 1944! German citizens had luxury goods, limited rationing, and a pretty normal lifestyle for most of WW2. Hitler didn?t think he could get away with forcing Germans to accept Total War. After Stalingrad, Goebbels gave a speech in February of 1943 mentioning the need for max production and government control but it slowly evolved and didnt happen til after Operation Valkyrie. Seriously, German industry was barely replacing what they were losing on the Eastern Front while England, US, Canada, and Russia were in overdrive producing it all. Instead of reliable, practical war goods (M4 Sherman, T34) Germany wasted its effort on extremely complicated weapons (Panther tank...needed a new engine every 4 times it was refueled so 800 miles) and wonder weapons. Heard a talk a few years back on how WW2 might have been different if Hitler would have started on a war footing In 1939.
On a different note I read an article that mentioned how unmechanized the Germans were in WW2. Around 10% of their army was run with trucks, vehicles. What was amazing was the percentage of Germans that owned vehicles or knew how to drive. Think the author mentioned only 1 in 38 while the French were 1 in 17, the Brits were 1 in 9...and good old free, Capitalistic America was 1 in 3!!!! Love that statistic. Screw you Fascist Fatherland!
I read and watched the documentary how Nazi Germany used Beetles to stimulate the economy.
Beetle was a Nazi Mobile, and now it is generally viewed as a Socialist-Hippie Mobile.
https://drivetribe.com/p/from-hitler-to-hippies-the-fascinating-YKajrpQdTeKFT2PoT0qkaQ?iid=A9U8bQmdRIGVXRx3JD-DwQ
https://cdn.hswstatic.com/gif/did-the-nazis-invent-the-volkswagen-beetle-1.jpg
lpgasman
11-09-2020, 17:17
As much as the American left appears to love Communism and hate Fascism, in reality they are more Fascist. Fascism is in essence Socialism with a thin veneer of capitalism. Basically instead of nationalizing industries like Communists, they'll leave the means of production in private hands on paper but control them with government bureaucrats.
For example, Stalin nationalized Russo-Balt but Hitler left the executives/owners in their positions at Mercedes but assigned commissars to be the liaison between Hitler's administration and the leadership of the company. In both cases, the government was in control of the industries but under Fascism they leave the day to day operations and minutia to the Capitalists that were in charge of it before the revolution.
Basically Crony-Capitalism is a form of Fascism.
Both are authoritarian regimes, but Fascism pretends they aren't changing society that much while Communism openly seeks to recreate every element of society and humanity in their image.
Both suck, both should be fought against to the death, both will become murderous regimes that see the individual citizen as a cog in the machine and the property of the state, but Fascism does have a slightly better chance of actually functioning.
Sounds like great days ahead.
lpgasman
11-09-2020, 17:18
Sounds great. Happy Monday!
Ya, happy monday.
I knew what communist was when I was a little kid, but I had no idea what Bolshevik and Mensheviks were.
Thanks to the WWF (WWE), that initially gave me an idea that Bolshevik (wrestlers) were kinda stupid. I still get laugh out of this old videos. Sadly the guy who portrays Bolsheviks wrestler Volkoff passes away. In real life, he is well known anti-commie as well who grew up in former Yugoslavia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Volkoff
https://youtu.be/uFJqxMFjvw8
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2020, 20:37
Hitler was a coward who didn’t have the power to place Germany on A “Total War” footing til July of 1944! German citizens had luxury goods, limited rationing, and a pretty normal lifestyle for most of WW2. Hitler didn’t think he could get away with forcing Germans to accept Total War. After Stalingrad, Goebbels gave a speech in February of 1943 mentioning the need for max production and government control but it slowly evolved and didnt happen til after Operation Valkyrie. Seriously, German industry was barely replacing what they were losing on the Eastern Front while England, US, Canada, and Russia were in overdrive producing it all. Instead of reliable, practical war goods (M4 Sherman, T34) Germany wasted its effort on extremely complicated weapons (Panther tank...needed a new engine every 4 times it was refueled so 800 miles) and wonder weapons. Heard a talk a few years back on how WW2 might have been different if Hitler would have started on a war footing In 1939.
On a different note I read an article that mentioned how unmechanized the Germans were in WW2. Around 10% of their army was run with trucks, vehicles. What was amazing was the percentage of Germans that owned vehicles or knew how to drive. Think the author mentioned only 1 in 38 while the French were 1 in 17, the Brits were 1 in 9...and good old free, Capitalistic America was 1 in 3!!!! Love that statistic. Screw you Fascist Fatherland!
Umm my history books and yours must have been edited by people with a different view of things.
1939 Hitler invades Poland. No war footing there? IIRC Britian and France declared war on germany.
I believe by 41 he has most of Europe under nazi control. But again my history books could be wrong. Concentration camps were up and running by late 30's.
Getting back to this 1939 year you dropped.
Again, my history books show Hitler supplying Franco, in a country you might have heard of, called SPAIN. . Oh way back in 36, for the Spanish Civil War.
So yeah, hitler should have started way back in 39 gearing up, Instead of slouching around some podunk country,, honing the skills of the Condor Legion.
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Now in 41 hitler started Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of Russia. Which iirc was june 22, 1941. By dec of 41 german troops were met with a massive counter offensive. Stalling and eventually stopping hitler, outside moscow
That same month this thing happened on an island in the pacific. Always referred to, in my history books as, A DAY THAT WILL LIVE IN INFAMY. When japan attacked, well you know the rest.
By 1941, Hitler had direct control over:
Poland
Czech parts of Czechoslovakia
Northern France
Austria
The Netherlands
Belgium
Luxembourg
Norway
Northern Croatia
Northern Greece
Northern Serbia
The Western Soviet Union
He had indirect control over:
Southern France
Southern Croatia
Slovakia
Montenegro
Albania
Southern Greece
Romania
Hungary
Bulgaria
Denmark Proper
Northern Africa
Northern Syria
JohnnyDrama
11-13-2020, 15:59
So, so, screwed.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/11/12/reducing-greenhouse-gas-emissions-stop-climate-change-study/3761882001/
The science is in! No sense in reducing our standard of living to that of a third world country now.
Delfuego
11-13-2020, 17:34
World class pity party happening. Every president we don't agree with is Hitler. Or least the last 3 or 4 have been.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51qFmDMCwTL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
https://fair.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Obama-Hitler.jpg
https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/trump-cover-art.png?w=700
Martinjmpr
11-13-2020, 17:51
World class pity party happening. Every president we don't agree with is Hitler. Or least the last 3 or 4 have been.
You didn't get the memo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY
OldFogey
11-13-2020, 18:16
83689
Delfuego
11-13-2020, 18:29
Awesome! Made my Friday :)
You didn't get the memo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY
https://www.dsausa.org/chapters/
https://forward.com/news/national/458286/what-democratic-socialist-nithya-ramans-victory-says-about-the-next/
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https://www.dsausa.org/chapters/
https://forward.com/news/national/458286/what-democratic-socialist-nithya-ramans-victory-says-about-the-next/
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Interesting quote from the local DS group...
Governor Jared Polis is a rich spineless conservative
Don't see that stated many places.
The USA is one of the few nations that tax capital gains on the sale of precious metals. Let that sink in while the dollar continues to be devalued.
The USA is one of the few nations that tax capital gains on the sale of precious metals. Let that sink in while the dollar continues to be devalued.
Well capital gains taxes are on investments. And people invest in precious metals.
Neither major political party addressed the devaluation of the dollar and the resulting loss of purchasing's power and savings.
Trump wanted to devalue the dollar to promote exports. Biden wants to borrow at todays low rates and stimulate the economy.
History has shown that both plans negatively impact the population. A dollar created by government gets about a 85% return as a economic gain. A net 15% loss.
This dose not include the insider deals that create winners and losers.
Buying precious metal is a store of wealth. Its not a investment as the buying power does not increase. The only change is the cost is higher compared to a devalued dollar.
Many people investing in stock market fail to make the connection between stocks going up and money being pumped into the system.
Were taxed by the false increase in value not on a true profit.
People cry and moan about tax tax tax.
Shit..... we can have 0% tax and government can just print out money to devalue our currency and purchase power.
Government can have $ either way at the cost of taxpayer, resident, etc.
I absolutely dislike taxes, but I dislike devaluation/increase in money supply/crazy ass inflation more.
People cry and moan about tax tax tax.
Shit..... we can have 0% tax and government can just print out money to devalue our currency and purchase power.
Government can have $ either way at the cost of taxpayer, resident, etc.
I absolutely dislike taxes, but I dislike devaluation/increase in money supply/crazy ass inflation more.
This is why so many of us are in favor of small government. The smaller it is the less funds they need to run things.
GilpinGuy
11-14-2020, 21:44
This is why so many of us are in favor of small government. The smaller it is the less funds they need to run things.
Amen
Singlestack
11-15-2020, 17:06
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2020/11/15/source-durham-investigation-winding-down-scared-of-biden-blowback-n280344?utm_source=rsafternoonbriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=d4baa59646612a7bdf8424d87739c943
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I don't think very many of are now surprised about this. It has been clear for awhile that Barr/Durham was running out the clock for the deep state, of which they are part. Barr said several times in the 2 months before the election to not expect any indictments before the election in order "to not appear political". So, we waited. A reasonable person might expect them to bring indictments possibly the day after the election, 11/4, since it is clear to anyone who looks that they have had immense evidence for lawbreaking and convictions for over a year. Now, I don't know about you, but I always assumed such indictments would ALWAYS be viewed as political by the dems and media, no matter what and no matter when - so delaying them past the election based on "may be viewed as political" was nothing more than a thin excuse NOT to indict. Given that we are now 2 weeks after the election without a sniff of indictments, I think it is reasonable to conclude there won't be any. After all, what can the excuse be for continuing to delay after the election? The votes are still being counted? Puhleeze....
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For well over a year now, the Durham investigation has been pumped up as the coming justice for a lot of bad characters involved in the government’s Trump-Russia travesty. Any hope that figures like John Brennan, James Comey, and Andrew McCabe would pay a price for their illegal FISA warrants, lying, and targeting of Donald Trump rested on Durham doing his job. “Trust the plan” became a mantra among some on the right, with the idea being that the hammer was always just around the corner.
Unfortunately, it appears Durham successfully ran out the clock. What many have suspected for a long time appears to be true, namely that no one will be held accountable for the corruption of the Trump-Russia investigation. The Federalist, who has covered this saga better than any other news outlet out there, is now reporting that Durham is looking to close up shop, fearing that an incoming Biden administration will retaliate.
A source familiar with Durham’s ongoing investigation of the bogus Russian collusion operation tells @FDRLST: “Durham isn’t doing anything. Dropping his investigations. He’s worried about blowback from Biden. What an absolute disgrace.”
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) November 15, 2020
Keep in mind that Durham had a near open and shut case against Andrew McCabe, who had admitted multiple times to having lied to the FBI. Instead of pursing that, the DOJ decided not to prosecute. They also failed to act on a criminal referral of James Comey. In the end, the bureaucracy made sure to protect the bureaucracy. This was always about saving face for these agencies, not actually seeking justice.
For many of us this isn’t a surprise. I sourced on Durham a long time ago, seeing the constant excuses for why he hadn’t delivered yet as making less and less sense as time went on. I know a lot of RedState’s readers were in the same place, though there was perhaps some twinkle of hope that things would shift.
Worse, it appears that none of this is happening because Durham didn’t find anything. According to Sean Davis, he has enough to file multiple charges but appears to just be sitting on the evidence instead.
A separate source who has seen the evidence compiled during the course of Durham's investigation told @FDRLST this afternoon that there's "more than enough evidence to indict multiple" involved in the Russian collusion hoax operation to take down Trump. https://t.co/QSlhqf3tUO
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) November 15, 2020
The idea that so many people could have touched that illegal FISA warrant of Carter Page, yet no one did anything illegal, never made a bit of sense. Durham has the goods and has likely had the goods for many months. But this is how business is done in Washington D.C. It doesn’t matter how corrupt something is, these agencies cover for each other. No one ever pays for what they do, and the game continues. A possible Joe Biden administration is just a green light to return to the way things always were. It’s one of the worst aspects of Trump losing this election, if he does indeed lose it after the electors vote in December.
Perhaps putting any faith in a career DOJ official was foolish. Expecting him to not white-wash what happened and protect his colleagues was always a tall order. It didn’t have to be this way, but in the end, the swamp won. You can expect the same thing to happen again the next time a Republican runs for president. With no consequences comes no deterrent.
hollohas
11-15-2020, 21:39
You are absolutely right singlestack. Nothing but theater. No one is ever held accountable. We've been played. Again.
You are absolutely right singlestack. Nothing but theater. No one is ever held accountable. We've been played. Again.
The first job of every 'crat is to preserve their job. Two reasons, 1) perhaps they can maintain their position or similar, with the incoming administration; 2) They won't be blackballed so they will still be eligible for other work outside of the incoming administration.
You can bet the upper echelon DOJ is already jockeying for positions within and currying favor with the Harris administration.
Nagant1984
11-16-2020, 14:57
If the main concern is a national assault weapons ban like the Clinton era or gun confiscation in America, I don't see it happening anytime soon. Not while Republicans maintain control over the senate. The main agenda for the Democrats currently seems to relate to undoing much of Trump's legacy and a focus on the pandemic and environment (Paris accords etc). They can't pass any sweeping or meaningful change past Congress at this time. They can't pack the court either without a majority. Biden / Harris could attempt some executive orders but I don't see that happening as Obama was unable to do anything about firearms so they would have tried something before if it could have been done via executive order. Besides, Biden seems pretty moderate by contrast to the rest of the Democratic field.
What's an actual issue for us in Colorado are the potential impacts of our current political climate right here at home. Colorado is not very purple anymore when it comes to representation. Democrat governor, senators, etc. So I think our focus here needs to be advocating our rights on a local and statewide level. Or we will find ourselves in a state that becomes more and more repressive until it resembles California and you can't buy a rifle with a pistol grip or a magazine with more than 10 rounds. That's what you should be concerned about because the changes aren't coming from Washington. They are coming right here at home.
Bailey Guns
11-16-2020, 19:17
You should be very concerned about changes coming from DC. The senate is still up for grabs. There are at least two seats headed for runoff elections. Republicans MUST win one of those to avoid a scenario where Harris is the tie-breaking vote. And that's not even mentioning republican defectors (like Romney or Collins or Murkowski) and other RINOs. Don't forget the Trump administration banned bump stocks without legislation. An item you were told by the ATF was legal to buy, own and possess. Imagine what Biden might be able to do.
This isn't to say you shouldn't be concerned about the state-level politics. Clearly you should and you're right about that. But don't close your eyes to what's happening in DC...especially with Hickenlooper going to the senate.
...The senate is still up for grabs. There are at least two seats headed for runoff elections. Republicans MUST win one of those to avoid a scenario where Harris is the tie-breaking vote....
Here is where to put your money down:
Kelly Loeffler
https://secure.winred.com/georgians-for-kelly/homepage-donate
David Perdue
https://secure.winred.com/david-perdue/perdueforsenate
Nagant1984
11-16-2020, 20:51
You should be very concerned about changes coming from DC. The senate is still up for grabs. There are at least two seats headed for runoff elections. Republicans MUST win one of those to avoid a scenario where Harris is the tie-breaking vote. And that's not even mentioning republican defectors (like Romney or Collins or Murkowski) and other RINOs. Don't forget the Trump administration banned bump stocks without legislation. An item you were told by the ATF was legal to buy, own and possess. Imagine what Biden might be able to do.
This isn't to say you shouldn't be concerned about the state-level politics. Clearly you should and you're right about that. But don't close your eyes to what's happening in DC...especially with Hickenlooper going to the senate.
Nothing sells guns like a democrat in office. I heard it all during the 8 years Obama was president. I remember stocking up back in 2012 when we were told we were just "weeks away" from massive gun bans. Still waiting on that... I guess I'm just burned out on all the sky is falling stuff over the years. Congress are deadlocked and nothing ever gets done so I just don't worry about it anymore. I've done what I can. I stocked up on stuff during normal times, learned how to reload my own ammo etc. You'll never be sorry for collecting guns, mags, ammo and reloading equipment (at fair prices anyway). But I am chuckling about how every few years gun stores can't keep enough guns and ammo in stock because of panic buying. It happens every time there's some mass shooting. It happens every time there's an election. You'll see, it's all going to work out. And a few months from now there's going to be a ton of cheap guns on Armslist from people who got suckered into spending $1,000 on a SKS or $500 on a Highpoint and their baby momma is going to make them sell it to pay for diapers for their new Covid baby. [ROFL2]
Bailey Guns
11-16-2020, 21:26
Well, this ain't my first rodeo. I'm well stocked and have been for over 25 years. Obama and democrats didn't get what they wanted while he was in office because, even though democrats had majorities in both the house and senate, they didn't have a filibuster proof majority in the senate for all but 4 months of Obama's 8 years. I agree about the "sky is falling" rhetoric. But you can ignore the federal gov't and the danger they pose to your rights at your own peril. And that's a fact regardless of who's living in the white house. We've already seen the evidence of that.
Bailey Guns
11-16-2020, 21:33
If you don't think the federal gov't is a threat to your rights, and especially your 2A rights, maybe you should review Joe Biden's webpage:
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#
Granted, he can't do it alone. That doesn't mean he and his administration and willing members of congress won't try.
Nothing sells guns like a democrat in office. I heard it all during the 8 years Obama was president. I remember stocking up back in 2012 when we were told we were just "weeks away" from massive gun bans. Still waiting on that... I guess I'm just burned out on all the sky is falling stuff over the years. Congress are deadlocked and nothing ever gets done so I just don't worry about it anymore. I've done what I can. I stocked up on stuff during normal times, learned how to reload my own ammo etc. You'll never be sorry for collecting guns, mags, ammo and reloading equipment (at fair prices anyway). But I am chuckling about how every few years gun stores can't keep enough guns and ammo in stock because of panic buying. It happens every time there's some mass shooting. It happens every time there's an election. You'll see, it's all going to work out. And a few months from now there's going to be a ton of cheap guns on Armslist from people who got suckered into spending $1,000 on a SKS or $500 on a Highpoint and their baby momma is going to make them sell it to pay for diapers for their new Covid baby. [ROFL2]
For those of us that lived thru the Clinton era gun ban...we know it is possible and likely probable in our lifetime again. This is a fight we can never stop fighting. The other side wil take advantage of any opportunity.
Martinjmpr
11-18-2020, 12:51
I actually doubt that they will push for much gun control at the Federal level, even if they do win the senate.
Recent history has shown that when a party takes control, they basically can push through one major program. They use up all their "political capital" doing that and then the opposition party ends up in a commanding position with the next election. So they get one shot. For Obama it was health care.
My guess is that Slow Joe will be focusing on the pandemic since that's what so many of his constituents want. Would they LIKE a new AW ban? Absolutely.
But that's not the question. The question is: Are they willing to risk the rest of their "progressive" platform in order to get that gun ban? In my opinion, no they are not simply because guns aren't really that important to them in the great scheme of things.
And before someone posts 20 links of Biden or Harris or Beto saying they want to ban guns :rolleyes: I'm not saying they don't want to ban guns - of course they do, that's not even in question.
What I'm saying is: I don't believe they will risk EVERYTHING else on their agenda in order to get that gun ban. My guess is that health care/COVID and reparations (payoffs) will be higher priority just because those are things that democratic voters actually want and care about.
Banning guns only pleases the minority of democratic voters who hate guns, it alienates gun owning democrats (there are a lot of them) and it mobilizes the opposition to come out and vote.
Obama, for all his popularity, was never able to get a single gun control bill passed.
The AW ban of 1994 cost the Democratic party big time. They're STILL suffering from the beating they took 26 years ago. The people who pull the strings in the Democratic party remember this, even if the rank-and-file 20 something members are too young to remember it.
colorider
11-18-2020, 14:23
All it’s going to take is one “Mass Shooting” or other nationally over hyped gun “tragedy” to spool up Biden and the dems on their gun control agenda.
All it’s going to take is one “Mass Shooting” or other nationally over hyped gun “tragedy” to spool up Biden and the dems on their gun control agenda.
Never let a tragedy go to waste... and if there isn't one, just make one!
Martinjmpr
11-18-2020, 15:56
All it’s going to take is one “Mass Shooting” or other nationally over hyped gun “tragedy” to spool up Biden and the dems on their gun control agenda.
Fort Hood?
Tucson (Gabby Giffords?)
Aurora?
Sandy Hook?
San Bernardino?
Pulse Nightclub?
All happened when Obama was president.
How many gun control laws were passed in their wake?
At this point, a mass shooting only invokes the usual finger-pointing and "calls for action" and then a couple of days later something else bumps it off the front page.
If people's attitudes about guns didn't change after 58 people were killed and over 800 (!) wounded in the Las Vegas shooting, what will another "mass shooting" do to change opinions? Nothing.
At this point, people's attitudes on guns are set in stone and aren't going to change, no matter how many people get killed in the next mass shooting.
The notion that mass shootings are going to drive a change in policy only works in places like England or Australia or New Zealand where the process of making major changes in the law is much, much quicker than in the US.
The big problem that gun controllers have with using mass shootings as a way to drive policy changes is that it takes so long for most bills to get through Congress that by the time it gets to a vote, the mass shooting in question has fallen to page 10 and people are thinking about something else.
The other issue is, as I said above, the issue of "political capital." In other words, every legislative "win" on a controversial issue comes with a cost - the cost of mobilizing the opposition and having them fight against you sucks up resources, time and money. Even if they "win", all that time and money is gone and that means it can't be used for the next issue.
So if the next issue - climate change, or "social justice" reform, or judicial appointments - is more important, then the party that pushes gun control has to consider whether it's worth getting a "win" on gun control if that means they lose on the other issues that ultimately mean more to them.
Bailey Guns
11-18-2020, 16:23
Democrats tried another AWB and UBCs under Obama but it never panned out. Part of it was because there were still some red-state democrats that saw it as a losing proposition and didn't support more gun control. However, the majority of Americans (if you believe polls) overwhelming supported UBCs. Part of it was because the senate was controlled by republicans for a majority of time during Obama's tenure and gun control bills went there to die, basically.
But... There are many more radical leftists in congress now...especially the house. And Biden has already hyped his position on "assault weapons" and other anti-gun agenda items. It will come up and my guess is it will come up sooner rather than later if the COVID thing is mitigated thanks to the upcoming vaccines.
Time will tell...
Zundfolge
11-18-2020, 18:51
I actually doubt that they will push for much gun control at the Federal level, even if they do win the senate.
Recent history has shown that when a party takes control, they basically can push through one major program. They use up all their "political capital" doing that and then the opposition party ends up in a commanding position with the next election. So they get one shot. For Obama it was health care.
Thing is, Uncle Joe has a big hard-on for gun control ... keep in mind that the '94 AWB has his fingerprints all over it and he long called it his signature piece of legislation (that mean ole Bush let die). So gun control could be his "one issue".
Also, if they get the Senate, you can kiss the Republic goodbye ... they'll stack the courts and rig the system so that no Republican ever gets elected again. I don't think people are taking the threat that the current Democrat party has become seriously and too many people have "Normalcy Bias" and think this'll just be a repeat of the Clinton or Obama years.
If Biden wins, that proves that they can rig any election so they won't need any of the voters ever again. They'll just have sham elections and tell us who we selected.
I know it is wishful thinking , but it is time for those dumbocrat gun owners to get out of the closet and start showing that ALL 2A is important.
Too many dumbocrat ar owners , but refuse to do anything makes me sad.
Oh also those republican fudds, annoy me as much.
:(
Martinjmpr
11-18-2020, 20:07
Also, if they get the Senate, you can kiss the Republic goodbye ... they'll stack the courts and rig the system so that no Republican ever gets elected again. I don't think people are taking the threat that the current Democrat party has become seriously and too many people have "Normalcy Bias" and think this'll just be a repeat of the Clinton or Obama years.
People LITERALLY said the same thing when Obama was elected.
This chicken little stuff just makes gun owners look like kooks.
colorider
11-18-2020, 22:46
Trump nixed bump stocks after the Vegas incident. Just something to think about. Death by a thousand cuts would be really easy with the new administration.
GilpinGuy
11-19-2020, 00:10
People LITERALLY said the same thing when Obama was elected.
This chicken little stuff just makes gun owners look like kooks.
Doesn't the political scene seem different now though? Obama was still a part of the old school sort of establishment politician using old school political tactics. These days, politicians let "their side" burn down and/or take over parts of their own damn cities for weeks at a time and basically encourage rioting. Not to mention the corporate press being so blatantly one sided - they were always one sided but now they aren't afraid to show it. And social media these day, sheesh. Twitter banning the Biden laptop link to kill the Post story was just sooooooo flagrant.
Maybe its just been a bizarre year and things seem weirder then they are, but things seems really f-ing weird in politics to me this go around. It'll be interesting.
Doesn't the political scene seem different now though? Obama was still a part of the old school sort of establishment politician using old school political tactics. These days, politicians let "their side" burn down and/or take over parts of their own damn cities for weeks at a time and basically encourage rioting. Not to mention the corporate press being so blatantly one sided - they were always one sided but now they aren't afraid to show it. And social media these day, sheesh. Twitter banning the Biden laptop link to kill the Post story was just sooooooo flagrant.
Maybe its just been a bizarre year and things seem weirder then they are, but things seems really f-ing weird in politics to me this go around. It'll be interesting.
I think a lot of things are going on and it is a confusing time. I think maybe senators, representatives, mayors, governors are people that are most extreme then in the past, but only some of them. If the democratic party leadership was as extreme as it feels from media, then Bernie would have had the nomination and we'd be facing Warren and other extremists. Instead, the Dems swung to the right with a new female Warhawk and yet another establishment stooge.
Even though antifa was allowed to make messes for a suspiciously long time, they don't yet represent either major party, nor the majority voter on either side.
Having more extremist people in local positions will eventually make its way up to the top, but I don't think so just yet.
tactical_2012
11-19-2020, 07:53
Biden deputy chief of staff touted 'mandatory buybacks' of assault weapons | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-deputy-chief-staff-mandatory-buyback-assault-weapons-gun-control
Martinjmpr
11-19-2020, 11:08
Doesn't the political scene seem different now though? Obama was still a part of the old school sort of establishment politician using old school political tactics.
Really? Because I clearly remember being told by right wing media that Obama was a hardcore Marxist left-wing ideologue who wanted to "fundamentally transform" America.
Funny how now that he's out of office he's a "moderate."
Same way Democrats who excoriated G.W. Bush for being a dumb-as-dirt war criminal when he was in office, as soon as Trump was in office they praised W's classy and low key mannerisms.
It's the same way every 4 years we are told "This is the most important election of our lifetime" and "if our side doesn't win, America is doomed. DOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!1!1!" (which is funny because LITERALLY BOTH SIDES SAY THIS.) :rolleyes:
.455_Hunter
11-19-2020, 11:54
Appropriate checks and balances keep the "doom" from happening. Hopefully, those remain in place.
Appropriate checks and balances keep the "doom" from happening. Hopefully, those remain in place.
Having gridlock between the houses of the legislature and the executive branch is seen by some as a negative. I look at it as an effective means of limiting the control that the government can exercise over us. "That government is best which governs least"-T. Jefferson
Aloha_Shooter
11-19-2020, 16:36
Thing is, every time the Leftists get into power, they edge the middle point of public acceptance over to the extremes even when their stated goal fails. 50 years ago, people could board planes with their concealed carry. 30 years ago, high school kids could still put their hunting rifles in the back of their trucks or in the trunk of their cars at park at school. 20 years ago, the Democrats wouldn't even dare to push for reinstituting an "assault weapons" ban.
I guarandamtee the AOC Squad and others will push for more gun bans even if they have to "settle" for an increase in restrictions in place of outright bans.
.455_Hunter
11-19-2020, 17:00
Thing is, every time the Leftists get into power, they edge the middle point of public acceptance over to the extremes even when their stated goal fails. 50 years ago, people could board planes with their concealed carry. 30 years ago, high school kids could still put their hunting rifles in the back of their trucks or in the trunk of their cars at park at school. 20 years ago, the Democrats wouldn't even dare to push for reinstituting an "assault weapons" ban.
I guarandamtee the AOC Squad and others will push for more gun bans even if they have to "settle" for an increase in restrictions in place of outright bans.
All very true, but there have been a few exceptions, like the expansion of concealed carry.
Great-Kazoo
11-19-2020, 17:47
All very true, but there have been a few exceptions, like the expansion of concealed carry.
Concealed carry is safe, that's states rights.
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<MADDOG>
11-19-2020, 17:58
All very true, but there have been a few exceptions, like the expansion of concealed carry.
I am contrarian as well... Albeit, that is IF the GOP holds the Senate; but even if they do not, I think Jack has left the box..
I do not think manufacturers rest on who/what is in charge, as they, or we, exploit the laws for what they are.
From my perspective, we are way past the 90's AWB. However, watch your state... That is were it matters IMO.
If it goes past that: well, there are other things that happen.
Really? Because I clearly remember being told by right wing media that Obama was a hardcore Marxist left-wing ideologue who wanted to "fundamentally transform" America.
Funny how now that he's out of office he's a "moderate."
Same way Democrats who excoriated G.W. Bush for being a dumb-as-dirt war criminal when he was in office, as soon as Trump was in office they praised W's classy and low key mannerisms.
It's the same way every 4 years we are told "This is the most important election of our lifetime" and "if our side doesn't win, America is doomed. DOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!1!1!" (which is funny because LITERALLY BOTH SIDES SAY THIS.) :rolleyes:
Both sides have podcast political radio listening tin foiler.
I remember one podcast listening wack job girl asked me that is it going to be true that Obama (pres elect) will round up gun owners and some white people and put them on concentration camp.
I try to play along and told her that Obama already met with secret sservice and doj.
She was very scared and seriously worried.
There are always going to be a people like that every election, every party, and every city/town.
While both side nut job are panicking, real conservatives and liberals are carefully watching GA senate.
GilpinGuy
11-19-2020, 21:03
Really? Because I clearly remember being told by right wing media that Obama was a hardcore Marxist left-wing ideologue who wanted to "fundamentally transform" America.
Funny how now that he's out of office he's a "moderate."
Same way Democrats who excoriated G.W. Bush for being a dumb-as-dirt war criminal when he was in office, as soon as Trump was in office they praised W's classy and low key mannerisms.
It's the same way every 4 years we are told "This is the most important election of our lifetime" and "if our side doesn't win, America is doomed. DOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!1!1!" (which is funny because LITERALLY BOTH SIDES SAY THIS.) :rolleyes:
I agree with you mostly - i think both sides are totally corrupt and deplorable, just some are worse than others. The "sky is falling" attitude is not what I was trying to imply here. It just seems like the tide is turning toward leftism, gradually but picking up steam. We've all heard that today's Republicans are Democrats from 20 years ago. So 20 years from now?
Great-Kazoo
11-19-2020, 22:19
I agree with you mostly - i think both sides are totally corrupt and deplorable, just some are worse than others. The "sky is falling" attitude is not what I was trying to imply here. It just seems like the tide is turning toward leftism, gradually but picking up steam. We've all heard that today's Republicans are Democrats from 20 years ago. So 20 years from now?
pelosi will have been in office 60 yrs at the ripe age of 102
GilpinGuy
11-19-2020, 22:55
pelosi will have been in office 60 yrs at the ripe age of 102
And she'll look exactly the same. [ROFL1]
Her resale value as far as looks has definitely hit the low plateau. Not that anyone else her age looks any better.
GilpinGuy
11-19-2020, 23:26
Hmmm. That fact that her High School photo is b/w....
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Aloha_Shooter
11-20-2020, 08:39
Really? Because I clearly remember being told by right wing media that Obama was a hardcore Marxist left-wing ideologue who wanted to "fundamentally transform" America.
Funny how now that he's out of office he's a "moderate."
Same way Democrats who excoriated G.W. Bush for being a dumb-as-dirt war criminal when he was in office, as soon as Trump was in office they praised W's classy and low key mannerisms.
It's the same way every 4 years we are told "This is the most important election of our lifetime" and "if our side doesn't win, America is doomed. DOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!1!1!" (which is funny because LITERALLY BOTH SIDES SAY THIS.) :rolleyes:
Obama was and still is a hardcore Marxist and he still wants to transform America. The publications calling him "moderate" now are the same ones that insisted transgenderism is normal, even for pre-adolescents, that violent riots were peaceful protests, that Michael Brown was an innocent teenager gunned down by a racist cop, that Gen Flynn was committing treason for Trump, etc. I haven't seen many of them praising GWB for anything although some did sing praises of GHWB (without admitting how they smeared him in 1991 and 1992) after he was safely dead.
The Establishment wing in both parties values stability as well as power which is why you saw the Establishment Dems conspire against Bernie and the Establishment Republicans happy to work against Trump. Of course, both Bernie and Trump make it easy for their foes. I don't know where the impression of Obama as an old-school politician using old school tactics comes from -- he is much more the strident Marxist who used agitation as a tool to push his way past old-school politicians. All the "protest" activity from the Occupy and BLM movements was about agitation to stir people up and create votes, all clearly modeled after the Bolsheviks.
Martinjmpr
11-20-2020, 10:10
Both sides have podcast political radio listening tin foiler.
I remember one podcast listening wack job girl asked me that is it going to be true that Obama (pres elect) will round up gun owners and some white people and put them on concentration camp.
I try to play along and told her that Obama already met with secret sservice and doj.
She was very scared and seriously worried.
Back when the internet was barely a thing and we used to communicate on message boards where you'd dial in, download all the messages for the day, read through them, respond and then dial in again and upload your responses, I was on a few gun boards and there was some uber-crazy stuff on there (this was during the Clinton years.)
In particular there were several people on one board who insisted that there was a secret military base in the American mid-west with over 200,000 Russian soldiers in it, just waiting on Clinton's order to round up gun owners and put them in camps. These people were serious and actually believe this stuff.
And of course, this was at the same time the US military was participating in peace-keeping missions around the world (particularly in the Balkans) so they'd see a train load of M-113 Personnel Carriers or HMMWVs painted white with "UN" on the side (usually headed for a port on the East coast) and they'd completely lose their shit, thinking the invasion was imminent.
funkymonkey1111
11-20-2020, 10:12
Back when the internet was barely a thing and we used to communicate on message boards where you'd dial in, download all the messages for the day, read through them, respond and then dial in again and upload your responses, I was on a few gun boards and there was some uber-crazy stuff on there (this was during the Clinton years.)
In particular there were several people on one board who insisted that there was a secret military base in the American mid-west with over 200,000 Russian soldiers in it, just waiting on Clinton's order to round up gun owners and put them in camps. These people were serious and actually believe this stuff.
And of course, this was at the same time the US military was participating in peace-keeping missions around the world (particularly in the Balkans) so they'd see a train load of M-113 Personnel Carriers or HMMWVs painted white with "UN" on the side (usually headed for a port on the East coast) and they'd completely lose their shit, thinking the invasion was imminent.
Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it isn't going to happen...
Was it during the Y2K lead-up that people were buying duct tape to seal off all their windows and doors in their homes? I distinctly remember people getting onto the news for that, but can't remember why they thought that would be necessary. Anyone remember?
I we have a civil war you may only arm yourself with the weapons your political party approves of.
Why I voted Libertarian.
Was it during the Y2K lead-up that people were buying duct tape to seal off all their windows and doors in their homes? I distinctly remember people getting onto the news for that, but can't remember why they thought that would be necessary. Anyone remember?
Just a theory here, but maybe they thought all the nuclear plants would implode and meltdown if their computers turned back to to the epoch of time.
JohnnyDrama
11-20-2020, 10:18
Back when the internet was barely a thing and we used to communicate on message boards where you'd dial in, download all the messages for the day, read through them, respond and then dial in again and upload your responses, I was on a few gun boards and there was some uber-crazy stuff on there (this was during the Clinton years.)
In particular there were several people on one board who insisted that there was a secret military base in the American mid-west with over 200,000 Russian soldiers in it, just waiting on Clinton's order to round up gun owners and put them in camps. These people were serious and actually believe this stuff.
And of course, this was at the same time the US military was participating in peace-keeping missions around the world (particularly in the Balkans) so they'd see a train load of M-113 Personnel Carriers or HMMWVs painted white with "UN" on the side (usually headed for a port on the East coast) and they'd completely lose their shit, thinking the invasion was imminent.
Those were the good ol' days.
Was it during the Y2K lead-up that people were buying duct tape to seal off all their windows and doors in their homes? I distinctly remember people getting onto the news for that, but can't remember why they thought that would be necessary. Anyone remember?
That was after 9/11 when people were buying plastic sheets and duct tape to seal windows and doors in case of a chem or bio attack because people freaked out thinking AQ or the Taliban had them. Not long after Y2K, so it was probably a lot of the same people who were paranoid in 1999.
OMG! SOVIET Brezhnev is coming to invade us!!
Deploy "crazy uncle" armed militia!
:)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/06/biden-soviet-russia-status-quo-democratic-ussr
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hollohas
11-20-2020, 12:06
Was it during the Y2K lead-up that people were buying duct tape to seal off all their windows and doors in their homes? I distinctly remember people getting onto the news for that, but can't remember why they thought that would be necessary. Anyone remember?I bought duct tape and plastic back when we had a some people get ebola in the US a few years ago. And N95's. Obviously didn't need any of it then. Some got used for various projects around the house over the years. And it was nice having those N95's in my supplies at the beginning of this Covid shit. I was able to give some to people that needed them.
That was after 9/11 when people were buying plastic sheets and duct tape to seal windows and doors in case of a chem or bio attack because people freaked out thinking AQ or the Taliban had them. Not long after Y2K, so it was probably a lot of the same people who were paranoid in 1999.
Ahh yes, that was it. Thank you.
I bought duct tape and plastic back when we had a some people get ebola in the US a few years ago. And N95's. Obviously didn't need any of it then. Some got used for various projects around the house over the years. And it was nice having those N95's in my supplies at the beginning of this Covid shit. I was able to give some to people that needed them.
I overpaid for some N95 masks on here during the height of the evbola scare. Like you, it was sure nice to have them at the beginning of Corona. Good thing the mask thing is partially for looks because those good masks are long gone.
Great-Kazoo
11-20-2020, 12:50
Those were the good ol' days.
Patriot Radio 1160, or was it 1130 a.m.radio? ,out of johnstown, Listening to Bo Gritz
Martinjmpr
11-20-2020, 12:51
Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it isn't going to happen...
Doesn't mean it is going to happen either. [Dunno]
JohnnyDrama
11-20-2020, 13:34
Patriot Radio 1160, or was it 1130 a.m.radio? ,out of johnstown, Listening to Bo Gritz
There's a name I had forgotten about. I had to look him up to see if he was still around.
Zundfolge
11-20-2020, 16:41
Looks like the Biden Transition Team is getting to work.
https://heavy.com/news/mayfair-mall-shooting/
There are enough RINOs in the Senate, that I'm not confident of anything.
...other than our tax dollars being wasted, no accountability for politicians and those making huge political contributions, and politicians on all sides enriching themselves.
Looks like the Biden Transition Team is getting to work.
https://heavy.com/news/mayfair-mall-shooting/
I've thought it interesting that there haven't been multiple mass shootings leading up to the election. Maybe the Democrats and the main stream media were confident enough in the election outcome that they didn't need to manufacture one? I guess a few walking dead people got lucky.
I've thought it interesting that there haven't been multiple mass shootings leading up to the election. Maybe the Democrats and the main stream media were confident enough in the election outcome that they didn't need to manufacture one? I guess a few walking dead people got lucky.
I attribute it more to there being sufficient levels of adversity to either keep the nuts busy or possibly distract them. 2020 has kept enough attention on other things to be a sufficient distraction.
In a lot of society, during the "good times", the crazy people ferment to new levels when there is no national adversity.
Now, some of the bullshit anarchist crap is probably filling a void that some of these would-be attackers may have, among other various distractions, concerns, and also an unknown future. It's not just mass shootings that slowed down, "normal" crime also slowed down in the early days of the whole pandemic garbage.
It's more difficult to burglarize homes when so many people are home. [Coffee]
Domestic violence, suicide, and drug abuse are up.
Crime statistics are one of those things I don't put too much value into. It's only a "crime" when it's being enforced and prosecuted. There are parts of the country that aren't doing that. Does it mean that law abiding people weren't victimized? Nope.
Martinjmpr
11-28-2020, 17:53
https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-suffered-crushing-down-ballot-151200736.html
This seems to have gotten lost amidst all the gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes and sky-is-falling hysteria from the gun community, but the "blue wave" that the Dems were expecting failed to appear.
Here's an excerpt:
This year, Democrats targeted a dozen state legislative chambers where Republicans held tenuous majorities, including in Pennsylvania, Texas, Arizona, North Carolina and Minnesota. Their goal was to check the power of Republicans to redraw congressional and legislative districts in 2021, and to curb the rightward drift of policies from abortion to gun safety to voting rights.
In all cases, Democrats came up short. None of their targeted legislative chambers flipped, even though Biden carried many of the districts that down-ballot Democrats did not. It could make it harder for Democrats to retain a House majority in 2022.
Texas was Democrats? biggest failure. After flipping a dozen seats in the Statehouse two years ago, the party was just nine seats shy of a majority.
Its most likely opportunities were nine Republican-held districts where former Rep. Beto O?Rourke surpassed Sen. Ted Cruz in their 2018 Senate race.
Most of these districts were in the suburbs of Dallas and Houston. Yet Democrats failed in all but one of the nine races, although Biden carried many of the districts. With majorities in both legislative chambers and a Republican governor, Greg Abbott, Republicans will control the drawing of as many as 39 congressional seats next year, when Texas is projected to gain three House seats after the 2020 census, more than any other state.
?I think that there were voters out there who were disgusted with Donald Trump and saw Joe Biden as an alternative,? said state Rep. Chris Turner, chair of the Texas House Democratic Caucus. ?They said, ?You know what, I?m not a Democrat ? maybe I?m an independent; maybe I?m a moderate Republican ? I?m going to vote for Republicans down ballot.? ?
Great-Kazoo
11-28-2020, 18:19
https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-suffered-crushing-down-ballot-151200736.html
This seems to have gotten lost amidst all the gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes and sky-is-falling hysteria from the gun community, but the "blue wave" that the Dems were expecting failed to appear.
Here's an excerpt:
The other election news that never got airplay is. The majority of seats that women were elected to, are Republicans.
spittoon
11-30-2020, 09:26
What !,,,,thank god for Trump and the 305th .... The Kraken. We have the servers out of Germany proving the massive fraudulent voter dump . Videos of shredding of Trump ballots.. 250 sworn witnesses from Ga Pa and growing daily. This fraudulent act is not going away it will be treated as a act of treason
Is there any actual proof yet of the so-called German server farm raid?
spittoon
11-30-2020, 10:22
Did Sidney Powell not say we have everything including the servers
That's a claim, not proof.
Frivolous lawsuit still exists.
Lesson learned: if you are rich, you can bombard people with baseless and frivolous lawsuits. No fucking wonder commies like Bernie, aoc, and antifks are getting so many traction.....
Aloha_Shooter
11-30-2020, 23:42
I just started rereading some of Jerry Pournelle's work. His first book on the Falkenberg series, "The Mercenary", describes a planet with a governmental system much like what we're facing now: decaying infrastructure with the decay being accelerated by one political party promising bread and circuses to the populace and living off its capital instead of its income while the other political party is fraught with in-fighting and incompetence and its own delusions.
I think it's telling that the massive and wide-spread manufacture of votes by the Democrats wasn't enough to create the "blue wave" they were crowing about. It did manage to steal and keep some seats but they not only did not overpower the Republicans in Senate and House races, they actually lost ground in the House. This tells me that some voters did in fact split their tickets, voting for Biden at the top but then voting tor people down-ticket to hold him in check. I would argue these people were as delusional as the folks who voted for Clinton a second time but that is at least one strong element in how this race is looking.
Personally, I don't think the lawsuits are frivolous if it makes the Dems work harder at their fraud. They won't stop, especially as it has largely worked for them but at least make them work harder to make it plausible rather than be so blatant as to store ballot boxes off-camera, kick out observers, illegally cover over windows, dump 100,000 ballots in the middle of the night, etc.
The judicial opinions opposing Trump will hopefully make more sense and not be as blatantly partisan as the NJ Upreme Court allowing the NJ Dems to replace Torricelli's name on the ballot when it was clear he was going to lose even when state law clearly prohibited it so close to the election or the FL Supreme Court that attempted to let Gore manufacture votes that didn't exist.
colorider
12-01-2020, 09:25
Sure seems to be a LOT of “proof and evidence” and yet no actual proof or evidence of voter fraud and changed votes. It’s getting a bit tiresome really. Show actual hard physical proof and move forward. Maybe it will happen.
hollohas
12-01-2020, 11:00
What kind of proof would actually be considered "proof"? Serious question. Because I'm not sure what that would be for something like this. Much of what is being claimed isn't something that would have hard proof.
Vote dumps? How do you prove that other than show the statistically impossible jumps in Biden's favor? Or historically unprecedented 95%+ voter turnouts or some places 100% in favor of one candidate? Or Trump getting historically high black vote for a republican yet somehow Biden still got a higher percentage of black votes in some areas than Obama did?
Changed votes? How do you prove that other than show the moment a state was reporting a specific number of votes for Trump at one moment and then less next moment?
Forged ballots and vote harvesting? If video evidence of people admitting to doing it isn't "proof", what is?
Counting shenanigans? If hundreds of signed affidavits aren't proof, what is?
Or Biden, who didn't campaign, had ZERO enthusiasm, who lost a large percentage of the typically reliable minority vote, etc etc etc somehow got THE most votes of any candidate in history? Even more than the truly historic turnouts for Obama both in the vote and at events? These things are not just unlikely, they are beyond logic and explaination.
I truly don't know what proof looks like for some of this stuff. Some shady stuff sure seems to have happened, but I'm not sure there is any type or amount of proof that would make everyone believe it.
What I do know is that using voting machines and software from Canadian and Venezuelan born companies is bullshit. I also know that many states changed the rules to encourage voter fraud. Not requiring voter ID? Not requiring or matching signatures? Extending the dates? Mail in ballots? Pausing counting? NONE of these things make elections more trustworthy and ALL of them encourage fraud on many levels. Our voting system is broken and can no longer be trusted.
If the integrity of elections is sancresaunt, then being able to go back and prove every vote is sancresaunt.
As I understand it many states relaxed normal voting protocols for covid. You don't need to vote in person, you can mail in your vote, etc.
But when you do that, the burden falls more heavily on the state to then verify, each and every vote.
This is where we are today. We need the state(s) to verify their votes. Match signatures to voters, match voters to voter roles, etc.
colorider
12-02-2020, 01:46
Same voting system, process, machine etc for the entire USA. Vetted, regulated, observed, failsafes.
GilpinGuy
12-02-2020, 09:29
Same voting system, process, machine etc for the entire USA. Vetted, regulated, observed, failsafes.
The lefties will claim racism somehow. I love how they were so concerned over supposed "Russian interference" for 3 years after 2016 but now it's "oh no, nothing to see here". So blatantly corrupt.
JohnnyDrama
12-02-2020, 10:44
Imagine this...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/upstate-ny-congressional-race-in-doubt-after-55-uncounted-ballots-found
From the article:
"Those ballots were apparently mislaid and never counted,? Gordon wrote.
Aloha_Shooter
12-02-2020, 15:33
Funny how these "errors" always help flip races to Democrats. It took Al Frank 3 of these to steal win the Senate seat in that bastion of right-wingers, Minnesota.
Funny how these "errors" always help flip races to Democrats. It took Al Frank 3 of these to steal win the Senate seat in that bastion of right-wingers, Minnesota.
That is "funny" isn't it...and they always count until the communist wins.
GilpinGuy
12-03-2020, 00:35
Didn't Obama make his way up the ladder in his early years using the same strategy? Legally contesting until he was declared the winner? Maybe I'm wrong. All of the corruption by everyone in government makes me dizzy.
I think people believe that the Trump campaign needs to prove every instance of fraud. That is not the case. There are over a thousand sworn affidavits that election observers were denied access to validate the counting process in violation of the election laws in these states. The observers are there for a reason and obstructing their involvement is a gross violation of free and fair elections as well as breaking the election law. I would be just as disgusted if the Rs did it and and would say the same thing. As the FEC chairman said, this is enough to invalidate the election. These election officials invalidated their own results when they denied access, and there should be arrests made for each one who violated the law, at the very least a new election should be called in these states, but really the ballots should just be thrown out were observers were denied access as punitive action for what was done to teach them a lesson so it doesn't happen again. I comes down to the DOJ, courts, and the legislatures too chicken shit to do anything about it and/or so corrupt they won't do anything about. So, yes, for that we are all completely screwed because our republic is dead if this is allowed.
Quite long. the two Indian immigrants (now US Citizens) were great.
https://youtu.be/eUjTOSDZ0BE
Yes, I watched some, they are in sorrow for their new country.
buffalobo
12-03-2020, 14:30
I think people believe that the Trump campaign needs to prove every instance of fraud. That is not the case. There are over a thousand sworn affidavits that election observers were denied access to validate the counting process in violation of the election laws in these states. The observers are there for a reason and obstructing their involvement is a gross violation of free and fair elections as well as breaking the election law. I would be just as disgusted if the Rs did it and and would say the same thing. As the FEC chairman said, this is enough to invalidate the election. These election officials invalidated their own results when they denied access, and there should be arrests made for each one who violated the law, at the very least a new election should be called in these states, but really the ballots should just be thrown out were observers were denied access as punitive action for what was done to teach them a lesson so it doesn't happen again. I comes down to the DOJ, courts, and the legislatures too chicken shit to do anything about it and/or so corrupt they won't do anything about. So, yes, for that we are all completely screwed because our republic is dead if this is allowed.Well said.
TEAMRICO
12-03-2020, 15:58
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/video-footage-georgia-shows-suitcases-filled-ballots-pulled-table-supervisor-told-gop-poll-workers-leave-tabulation-center/
Enough proof?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/video-footage-georgia-shows-suitcases-filled-ballots-pulled-table-supervisor-told-gop-poll-workers-leave-tabulation-center/
Enough proof?The msm will make an excuse for it and claim it has nothing to do with the ballots.
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Singlestack
12-03-2020, 16:26
I truly can't tell where this is going. There are so many angles to it. Given the GA runoff is only a month away, it is hard to believe anything will get fixed in GA between now and then. The Republicans must DEMAND to be present in force for any and all vote counting activities. By DEMAND I'm not really referring to a verbal demand; I'm referring to a physical demand. Refuse to be escorted out for any reason, refuse to be herded away from the counting, refuse to be blocked from close observation of all activities. If opposed by force, confront force with immediate force. This has high potential to go violent, so have observers and poll watchers present at all times who can handle themselves. Demand immediate access to additional poll watchers, for whatever reason, to prevent being outnumbered by force. Repubs cannot allow these runoff elections to proceed like the 11/3 election, or they WILL lose both races. The dems know full well what is at stake and will pull out the stops to win. Repubs had better play as much hardball as required this time.
I think people believe that the Trump campaign needs to prove every instance of fraud. That is not the case. There are over a thousand sworn affidavits that election observers were denied access to validate the counting process in violation of the election laws in these states. The observers are there for a reason and obstructing their involvement is a gross violation of free and fair elections as well as breaking the election law. I would be just as disgusted if the Rs did it and and would say the same thing. As the FEC chairman said, this is enough to invalidate the election. These election officials invalidated their own results when they denied access, and there should be arrests made for each one who violated the law, at the very least a new election should be called in these states, but really the ballots should just be thrown out were observers were denied access as punitive action for what was done to teach them a lesson so it doesn't happen again. I comes down to the DOJ, courts, and the legislatures too chicken shit to do anything about it and/or so corrupt they won't do anything about. So, yes, for that we are all completely screwed because our republic is dead if this is allowed.
Nice comment. I also watched the intervening video in between.
Hypothetically, lets say Trump tosses out the election results for fraud, and declares that (x) states needs to hold a re-election and he won't concede. Let's pretend for a moment that some or all of the states actually hold re-elections, and Trump is declared the winner. What would be the realistic outcome of that? Wouldn't we still be completely screwed / wouldn't that kill the republic as well? And I'm not talking about principles, I'm talking about convincing the other 50-60% of people to abide by those results, and not these results.
We could call it a win on principle, but what about reality though?
Just curious, as always, what peoples pragmatic take is on the "long term" reality is in this divided nation. We're as bad off now as we were at any time in the 1850's.
Singlestack
12-03-2020, 16:57
Good question Fox, very insightful. We may be headed for a national disaster whichever way this goes. I do know from my progressive in-laws that the media they watch/listen to does not tell them about the numerous fraudulent activities that have occurred or are still being found. They believe it is either a conspiracy theory or an attempt by Trump to hang onto power no matter what. Most people won't go violent to get their way, although maybe some form of a "national divorce" is the only solution? How the hell do you do that?
Rucker61
12-03-2020, 17:23
Nice comment. I also watched the intervening video in between.
Hypothetically, lets say Trump tosses out the election results for fraud, and declares that (x) states needs to hold a re-election and he won't concede. Let's pretend for a moment that some or all of the states actually hold re-elections, and Trump is declared the winner. What would be the realistic outcome of that? Wouldn't we still be completely screwed / wouldn't that kill the republic as well? And I'm not talking about principles, I'm talking about convincing the other 50-60% of people to abide by those results, and not these results.
We could call it a win on principle, but what about reality though?
Just curious, as always, what peoples pragmatic take is on the "long term" reality is in this divided nation. We're as bad off now as we were at any time in the 1850's.
I don't think that the president has the power to declare an election null and void, and the only states that would even consider a new election are the ones he's already one.
I wonder what would happen if Biden is sworn in, Trump leaves office and six months later undeniable evidence of voter fraud in sufficient levels to affect the outcome of the election is found. I don't think that there's anything in the Constitution to address this.
I wonder what would happen if Biden is sworn in, Trump leaves office and six months later undeniable evidence of voter fraud in sufficient levels to affect the outcome of the election is found. I don't think that there's anything in the Constitution to address this.
I imagine it would be similar if Obama were sworn in, and six months later undeniable evidence of him being born in another country were found. Hypothetically a lot could happen, pragmatically little if anything probably would imho - because the thin fabric holding things together utterly tears apart with chaotic transitions. We're running on weak sutures at the moment and gov't on a deep level probably knows it, and has known it for some time (at least 12 years). That in some ways may be why there's a lack of GOP support for certain things - not the least because of political risk one way or the other, but because the pragmatic outcome isn't viable by participating.
Not that it's the way it should be, but possibly the way it is, and there's no bandaid.
Zundfolge
12-03-2020, 18:28
I wonder what would happen if Biden is sworn in, Trump leaves office and six months later undeniable evidence of voter fraud in sufficient levels to affect the outcome of the election is found. I don't think that there's anything in the Constitution to address this.
Well technically the Second Amendment ... but that's not likely to happen.
I truly can't tell where this is going. There are so many angles to it. Given the GA runoff is only a month away, it is hard to believe anything will get fixed in GA between now and then. The Republicans must DEMAND to be present in force for any and all vote counting activities. By DEMAND I'm not really referring to a verbal demand; I'm referring to a physical demand. Refuse to be escorted out for any reason, refuse to be herded away from the counting, refuse to be blocked from close observation of all activities. If opposed by force, confront force with immediate force. This has high potential to go violent, so have observers and poll watchers present at all times who can handle themselves. Demand immediate access to additional poll watchers, for whatever reason, to prevent being outnumbered by force. Repubs cannot allow these runoff elections to proceed like the 11/3 election, or they WILL lose both races. The dems know full well what is at stake and will pull out the stops to win. Repubs had better play as much hardball as required this time.
With strict oversight, the Georgia runoff race results could be compared to the General Election Results, and this may show evidence of illegal votes in the General Election.
This assumes they finish their counting before January 20th. ;)
What if all this stuff happens and the results are the same?
Hypothetically, lets say Trump tosses out the election results for fraud, and declares that (x) states needs to hold a re-election and he won't concede. Let's pretend for a moment that some or all of the states actually hold re-elections, and Trump is declared the winner. What would be the realistic outcome of that?
Wouldn't we still be completely screwed / wouldn't that kill the republic as well? And I'm not talking about principles, I'm talking about convincing the other 50-60% of people to abide by those results, and not these results.
We could call it a win on principle, but what about reality though?
Excellent questions, uncomfortable but necessary things to think about.
I keep typing responses and then I read what I wrote and I delete it because I peeled back another layer.
Just curious, as always, what peoples pragmatic take is on the "long term" reality is in this divided nation. We're as bad off now as we were at any time in the 1850's.
Are we as bad off as the 1850s, I haven't researched that time period, so I don't know.
We're divided, we've seen violence, arson, and murder in major cities. I see escalation no matter who takes the oath on Inauguration Day.
If Trump wins there will be riots confined mainly to places they occurred this past year and the escalation won't be so bad. If Harris wins, the rioters will think they have carte blanche to do what they want where ever they want to people that didn't vote for Harris.
The communists have already said they want lists, Lenin/Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, Pol Pot, Chavez and a host of others also wanted lists. History illustrates the end result quite well. More discomforting thoughts.
Oh that won't happen here though. That happens to other countries, not here. It'll be different this time.
For the historical perspective, leading into the 1850's we were very close to civil war. The compromise of 1850 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1850 was a band-aid on the underlying problems and then, as you know, we ended up in civil war anyway, but it bought us a decade. A lot of this was political, and surrounding the allocation of new US territories and their slavery statuses, there were even large attempts en mass to move to locations simply to influence votes. In any event, there was a massive rift between people who thought (A) and people who thought (B). If either side of them got what they wanted, the (first?) U.S. Civil war would probably have happened a lot sooner.
There is a great divide right now between how much the media the tells us we currently hate each other, and how much we actually hate each other though. Reading the news and going outside and actually interacting with people provides two entirely different experiences. Unless you're a total asshole who enjoys creating conflict at every opportunity, it doesn't feel very unusual in the streets.
There is a great divide right now between how much the media the tells us we currently hate each other, and how much we actually hate each other though. Reading the news and going outside and actually interacting with people provides two entirely different experiences. Unless you're a total asshole who enjoys creating conflict at every opportunity, it doesn't feel very unusual in the streets.
How is it supposed to feel, and how did it feel back then? I seriously doubt that people in 1850 were grumbling about how they wanted to kill their neighbor or how their two sons should duke it out. The anger is focused elsewhere, usually higher, same as today. Even during the civil war, I doubt you'd have seen much of a divide among people on the street. The pot boils over and spills out from the top. Everyone else gets cooked in the inside.
Even the revolutionary war saw the general public largely apathetic towards either direction, a fact that has largely escaped us. Only a small part of America induced that war, and eventually won it. I believe in the 10-10-80 rule. 10%, give or take, are entirely self serving, 10% will stand up against wrongs, 80% are apathetic and don't give a shit. Once 10% of the country is at the neck of the other 10% of the country, you're in a war situation.
Well, I can talk to anyone, with any beliefs, without having a yelling match, so that's something. I'm not going full potato toward either direction though, so that probably helps.
For the historical perspective, leading into the 1850's we were very close to civil war. The compromise of 1850 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1850 was a band-aid on the underlying problems and then, as you know, we ended up in civil war anyway, but it bought us a decade. A lot of this was political, and surrounding the allocation of new US territories and their slavery statuses, there were even large attempts en mass to move to locations simply to influence votes. In any event, there was a massive rift between people who thought (A) and people who thought (B). If either side of them got what they wanted, the (first?) U.S. Civil war would probably have happened a lot sooner.
Thank you.
There is a great divide right now between how much the media the tells us we currently hate each other, and how much we actually hate each other though. Reading the news and going outside and actually interacting with people provides two entirely different experiences. Unless you're a total asshole who enjoys creating conflict at every opportunity, it doesn't feel very unusual in the streets.
You left out Faceplant where simply speaking your mind calmly can bring the screechers out in full force.
That's a good point. I'm not on Facebook, only Instagram, where for the most part there isn't much discussion. Just comments that no one reads like on YouTube. But you're right, posting on Facebook, or even here, would make one think that no one can possibly get along right now, and that's just not true.
GilpinGuy
12-03-2020, 23:47
If you haven't already, check out "Social Dilemma" on Netflix. It's disgusting how the socials are pitting people against each other.
Martinjmpr
12-04-2020, 09:36
If you haven't already, check out "Social Dilemma" on Netflix. It's disgusting how the socials are pitting people against each other.
Yes, one of the side effects of having so many information channels on TV, radio, internet, etc, is that it is now possible for people to live inside a nice comfortable "bubble" filled with people who think pretty much like them.
I think it was Pat Moynihan who famously said "you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts."
But now the huge number of information sources has now resulted in a situation where people CAN choose their own "facts." Tune into whichever news source favors your viewpoint and you're likely to only hear "facts" that confirm what you already believe.
That's why it's good to get out of the bubble.
Singlestack
12-04-2020, 10:08
Yes, one of the side effects of having so many information channels on TV, radio, internet, etc, is that it is now possible for people to live inside a nice comfortable "bubble" filled with people who think pretty much like them.
I think it was Pat Moynihan who famously said "you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts."
But now the huge number of information sources has now resulted in a situation where people CAN choose their own "facts." Tune into whichever news source favors your viewpoint and you're likely to only hear "facts" that confirm what you already believe.
That's why it's good to get out of the bubble.
I would say it a bit differently. The overwhelming majority of TV, cable, and print media news sources these days are owned/run by leftist billionaires. At this point, they are in amazing synchronized lock-step on pushing the narrative of the day in the current news cycle. It is very easy to see evidence all the time. Watch the news during the same hours between these channels and you will hear exactly the same words, phrases, and slant used for a given story. Impossible to do this without a significant amount of real-time collusion. You will also see the same stories completely ignored that don't support their narratives (Just a few examples that come immediately to mind: Michael Brown's record and thuggish behavior - not a "gentle giant" narrative, Hunter Biden's laptop, examples of election fraud in the past month...). Yes, this does provide "confirmation bias" for leftist viewers, but certainly not for those on the right. The amazing this is the near 100% TV and print monopoly by the left, and they are still trying to get conservative talk radio off the air. Most don't consider fox news to be "right wing" with their turn to the left since election season, so maybe that leaves only Newsmax on the TV.
Where do you get the idea that most don't consider Fox to be right?
Yes, one of the side effects of having so many information channels on TV, radio, internet, etc, is that it is now possible for people to live inside a nice comfortable "bubble" filled with people who think pretty much like them.
I think it was Pat Moynihan who famously said "you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts."
But now the huge number of information sources has now resulted in a situation where people CAN choose their own "facts." Tune into whichever news source favors your viewpoint and you're likely to only hear "facts" that confirm what you already believe.
That's why it's good to get out of the bubble.
I listen to NPR almost exclusively in the vehicle. Never any neocon talking heads stations. I don't rely on, listen to, or read pretty much any conservative sites unless I'm comparing claims. I'm so far out of the bubble that I'm in the left's bubble of news and opinion consuming, and yet, I think the John Birch society is too liberal. I feel like Joseph McCarthy only reading Pravda. Lol.
Yes, one of the side effects of having so many information channels on TV, radio, internet, etc, is that it is now possible for people to live inside a nice comfortable "bubble" filled with people who think pretty much like them.
I think it was Pat Moynihan who famously said "you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts."
But now the huge number of information sources has now resulted in a situation where people CAN choose their own "facts." Tune into whichever news source favors your viewpoint and you're likely to only hear "facts" that confirm what you already believe.
That's why it's good to get out of the bubble.
Yup. It's a modern problem that is playing human nature against us. We already did that well enough on our own... now we have AI that reinforces dissonance to new levels.
As far as "friendly" personal reactions on the street, it has never been indicative of human qualities, emotions, or states. Even the neighborhood robber and the statewide serial killer will hold a friendly convo with you before they take all your shit, or alternatively eat you. Saying people are nice on the street is akin to the cliche interview with the neighbors "oh, he seemed like such a nice kid, he said hi to me, I don't believe none-of-it!"
Of course you see far more anger and outrage online instead of talking to someone face to face...
You also see a lot more anger and outrage inside the confines of a car. That's well known.
It isn't because people are "getting along" it's because when you are 36" away from someone, you have to either deal with their empathetic reactions, anger, or reactions personally. So, people tend to play nice here to avoid having to deal with the intricacies and risks of direct social reactions. They wouldn't say in person what they would in a post (or how they really feel) because they like not getting arrested, coming to blows, having to pay for missing teeth, or dealing with someone that spontaneously starts bawling. What's expected here? Because people aren't shiving each other in the street, they are getting along? Humans have never been that way.
If you want to know how things are going, don't base it on how "nice" they are, base it on what they if they think you agree with them. I classify as a chameleon in social settings ;) in part because I care to listen and don't waste energy trying to convince anyone that I'm right when holding a personal convo.
I'm seeing huge, huge increases of people talking about permanent family rifts, splits, etc. over politics. More increases of people making """joking""" comments about (someone should blank blank blank that sonofabitch) on all sides. More people talking about how "it's just impossible to keep living in the same country as (the other guys)" etc.
Sounds like you agree that without the influence of social media telling people that they should be at odds with each other, that they wouldn't be as much.
Singlestack
12-05-2020, 07:27
Where do you get the idea that most don't consider Fox to be right?
I mis-spoke there. I'm sure you are correct. What I meant to say is that regular viewers of the news division of fox have seen the shift to the left this election season. I'm not talking about the evening opinion shows (Tucker, hannity, Ingraham), but the new programs reporting. People who haven't been regular viewers would likely not notice since it isn't mentioned on the other more lefty networks.
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