Native American artifacts?

[hatidua]

This is a long-shot but maybe there is someone on here who knows a thing or two about old rocks. While I've contacted a few "authorities" on the matter of Native American artifacts, the info they have sent me pertains to perforated stones that range in size from 1-3" at most, these are all in the 6-9" range and are not similar to any that I've found info for online. All were found on private land halfway between Riverside and San Diego, CA, any info about perforated stone weights would be much appreciated:

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[kidicarus13]

My best guess...
http://sracenter.blogspot.com/2008/12/what-is-this-artifact.html?m=1
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[Hummer]

That's what I thought at first glance, portable fire starters. Kind of like a graphite striker.

[GilpinGuy]

These are interesting. If these were for bow drills, as the link suggests as one possible use, why drill a hole all the way through? Or maybe, over time, the hole got bored through the stone from use and it was discarded once the hole went all the way through.

Plus, yours are much larger than the others. How large are the holes in yours?

Cool stuff. It's amazing how much we've forgotten about the ways of the past.

[Grant H.]

"Ancient Natural Male Enhancement"

(The leather string has rotted away)...


Sorry Haituda... Couldn't resist.

Curious to know what they are as well.

[theGinsue]

Ancient artifacts always fascinate me. As GilpinGuy said, it's amazing how much we don't know about the ways of the past.

I'm curious about what you eventually find out about these.

[Ah Pook]

I know a guy, in Ward, that might be able to help. PM me your contact info and I’ll pass it on.

[.455_Hunter]

As GilpinGuy said, it's amazing how much we don't know about the ways of the past.

+1000. Many people today seem to think being "smart" is a recent development.

[CS1983]

any significant current or ancient water where found? If so, could be fishing net weights.

[Great-Kazoo]

+1000. Many people today seem to think being "smart" is a recent development.

after they google it.

[BlasterBob]

Could possibly be weights for Native American (Indians) fishing nets These type nets were used for harvesting fish especially if found near bodies of water.

[colorider]

When you contact ?authorities?, either don?t give them your name or don?t tell them where you found them. In a lot of places it?s a BIG no no to remove an artifact.

[Irving]

When you contact ?authorities?, either don?t give them your name or don?t tell them where you found them. In a lot of places it?s a BIG no no to remove an artifact.

That's why he specified that it was from private property, where there are not those restrictions.

[Ah Pook]

When you contact ?authorities?, either don?t give them your name or don?t tell them where you found them. In a lot of places it?s a BIG no no to remove an artifact.
I think that is only for public lands.

[def90]

Canoe anchors?

https://www.peachstatearchaeologicalsociety.org/index.php/9-hardstone/142-canoe-anchors

otherwise I would be onboard with some sort of fishing net weight as well.

[DFBrews]

Loom stones or warp weights maybe for fishing

[Irving]

I'll go ahead and make the Native American Love Stones joke, even though they clearly are not.

[Wulf202]

Loom stones or warp weights maybe for fishing

This is my take also. They're not fire starters

I have a friend who's got 20 years of work with Indian affairs. I'll verify.

Interesting book. My dad was one of the people who helped recover kennewick man

[Duman]

Prehistoric, neanderthal biker-chick ear rings....

[JohnnyDrama]

I never worked in that area, but I go with net weights. Without surrounding artifacts it can be hard to tell.

[Scanker19]

When you contact ?authorities?, either don?t give them your name or don?t tell them where you found them. In a lot of places it?s a BIG no no to remove an artifact.

He?s not lying, in New Mexico you can be arrested for tampering with Native American artifacts for picking up beer bottles on the side of the road.

[def90]

He?s not lying, in New Mexico you can be arrested for tampering with Native American artifacts for picking up beer bottles on the side of the road.

Yes, the rules are generally the same across the country. Picking anything up off the ground on public lands is verboten. However, if you are on private property as the OP stated this stuff was found on private property you can pick ip whatever you like.

[CS1983]

He?s not lying, in New Mexico you can be arrested for tampering with Native American artifacts for picking up beer bottles on the side of the road.

You?re a dickhead. Which makes sense, since you?re a graduate of agony, misery, and heartbreak. Lol.


https://youtu.be/UKDLQWEvubc

[Scanker19]

Fun Fact: I heard that joke from a comedian that was brought to entertain us when we were in Kirkuk. So blame the army.

[BREATHER]

I saw one similar being used as an arrow shaft scraper in a documentary

[hatidua]

Just to reiterate, these were found on private property, not on public/BLM/park/etc land. I appreciate the cautionary tales, it's certainly why I indicated the location as a fairly generic broad location rather than listing specifically where they are from. These were occasionally discovered, over the course of decades, when the land was graded/disc'd and therefore some of them have scars on them from the disc blades. These were all found within 100-200 yards of a series of large stones with mortar holes on them (which obviously remain, the stones with mortar holes are the size of a school bus, -each). The land has been sold, I no longer have access to it.

[Hummer]

I would like to know what they are. Fish net weights seems plausible but drilling holes in rock for that purpose would be a lot of work for the payoff and risk of loss. I've long been a student and collector of native art and artifacts. Some years ago I went on a 32 day Grand Canyon expedition as a geology assistant and ornithologist sponsored by the National Geographic Society and the National Science Foundation. We stopped at points all along the Colorado River to explore caves, cliffs and canyons for various studies. Some of the valleys we explored were filled with native artifacts. Every square foot on the surface showed pottery shards and tools of bone, stone and wood. I did't collect anything other than legally permitted packrat middens there but I have seen collections of arrowheads and spear points from the paleoindians who lived and hunted along the Continental Divide near my home. There's so much yet to be learned from that area of the peoples and culture of the continent.

The recent MSM promoted sensations of metal obelisks dropped into wildland areas illustrates the importance of protecting sensitive wildland sites from the hoards of nincompoops seeking social media likes.

[Duman]

The recent MSM promoted sensations of metal obelisks dropped into wildland areas illustrates the importance of protecting sensitive wildland sites from the hoards of nincompoops seeking social media likes.

I'm hearing drums.... apes using bones as tools....mmmm... monolith....

[palepainter]

I saw one similar being used as an arrow shaft scraper in a documentary
That’s what I was thinking as well. Can’t remember where I seen it.

[ANADRILL]

could be for weighting nets or lines

[colorider]

Poker chips for the very first Reservation casino ?

[Ah Pook]

Interesting

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[JohnnyDrama]

Interesting

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That is interesting. I have heard of similar "devices" here in Four Cornia. Even more interesting is that it was only the way old school archaeologists and cowboys that mention it. But like I wrote earlier, I don't know much about Pacific Coast cultures.