Log in

View Full Version : Littleton enacts state's first 'safe storage' law for gun dealers



kidicarus13
02-11-2021, 17:03
https://littletonindependent.net/stories/littleton-enacts-states-first-safe-storage-law-for-gun-dealers,372453#:~:text=David%20Gilbert-,Frustrated%20after%20years%20of%20burglaries%20fr om%20local%20gun%20stores%20%E2%80%94%20and,their% 20guns%20after%20business%20hours.

Frustrated after years of burglaries from local gun stores ? and by security measures at one gun store that has been the target of repeat break-ins ? Littleton City Council unanimously approved what appears to be Colorado's first law requiring firearm dealers to lock up their guns after business hours.
Effective Aug. 1, all gun retailers within city limits are required to obtain a city-issued license showing approval of a ?safe storage plan,? which mandates all firearms must be stored in a locked safe, gun cabinet or secured safe room after business hours.
The law, approved at the Feb. 2 city council meeting, also requires licensees to utilize a burglar alarm that sends reports directly to Littleton Police rather than a store owner or manager. The license must be renewed annually.
The law comes after 10 gun store burglaries at five retailers in city limits in the last four years, according to city documents, which collectively resulted in the theft of 144 firearms. Stolen guns often wind up used in other crimes, according to Littleton Police.
?This is due to the simple fact that (guns) aren't locked up,? City Attorney Reid Betzing told council. ?Sure, they're in a secured building, but if you breach that building, the ability to come in and clean out firearm retailers is a matter of minutes.?
An analysis of gun store burglaries showed nearly every gun stolen from a retailer in Littleton was unsecured after hours, according to city documents, whereas two burglaries of retailers with secured guns resulted in none stolen. Almost all the burglaries were ?smash-and-grab? cases, in which multiple perpetrators breached a window or outer wall, collected numerous guns and fled quickly.
The final straw
The final straw for city officials, Betzing told Colorado Community Media, was a June 30 burglary of Triple J Armory, a south Littleton gun store, where thieves made off with 50 guns in under three minutes.
The burglary was the third completed break-in for the family-owned gun store, which moved to the SouthPark neighborhood in 2018 amid a swirl of controversy ? including concerns by neighbors that it would be a target for criminals after two completed and one attempted break-ins at its prior location off County Line Road.\
Of the 144 guns taken from Littleton gun stores since the beginning of 2016, 92 of them ? nearly two-thirds of the total ? were taken from Triple J. Thieves made off with two machine guns during the burglary, Stephens said, one of which was later recovered when suspects were arrested in the case.?
Littleton Police Chief Doug Stephens told council he was concerned that Triple J had not taken greater precautions to secure its firearms.
?If those guns had been in gun safes like in people's houses, that burglary would not have occurred,? Stephens told council.
Triple J co-owner J.D. Murphree did not respond to requests for comment by deadline.
Residents of the Highline Crossing cohousing community, which sits across the street from Triple J, wrote numerous emails to council in support of the ordinance. In 2018, much of the opposition to Triple J's new location ? and its associated shooting range ? came from Highline Crossing.
?This retailer claimed it would be safe to have firearms used and sold in this area, and that burglaries are uncommon when they established their business,? one neighbor wrote to council. ?We have since seen evidence that this is not so.?
Council first discussed the proposed ordinance last September, in response to community concerns following the latest Triple J burglary.
?Criminals case these establishments,? Stephens told council in September. ?They're looking for specific inventory and how it's secured. They're gathering intelligence. Burglars knew they could get in and out of this last one very quickly, and they did so.?
Councilmember Carol Fey, who represents the district where Triple J is located, said she was disappointed in the store, saying owners had promised her greater security measures would be in place.
?I feel really betrayed by these owners,? Fey said in September.
Councilmember Kelly Milliman said she was appalled by the store's security.
?It's one thing if a jewelry store gets broken into and gold gets stolen,? Milliman said in September. ?These are weapons that are used to harm or kill other human beings, and it's disgusting they couldn't be a more responsible business owner in our community.?
'An issue of liability'
Littleton has three other gun retailers. Two of them are pawn shops ? one on Broadway and the other on Littleton Boulevard ? and the third is Old Steel Historical Firearms on Rapp Street near downtown. Two other firearms retailers went out of business in recent years: one was a pawn shop and the other was Warhorse Firearms, itself the target of repeat burglaries.
Mayor Jerry Valdes and Chief Stephens visited all the city's gun retailers to discuss security and the proposed gun-storage measure in recent weeks, Valdes told council.
Old Steel owner Giovanni Galeano called into the Feb. 2 council meeting to say he wasn't sure how he was supposed to lock up his entire inventory ? consisting mainly of vintage and antique weapons, some non-functioning ? every night.
?I don't see that happening, and that's a fact,? Galeano told council, adding that he felt his concrete building, blockaded by several large military vehicles in front, was secure on its own.
Stephens told Galeano he would be willing to do a ?more in-depth site survey? and could foresee working on an exception for non-functioning or replica weapons.
The new law will have little effect on Broadway Jewelry & Pawn, a pawn shop that sells firearms at Broadway and Powers Avenue, said owner Jonathon Krabbe.
?We've always locked ours up, and they're even secured during business hours,? Krabbe told Colorado Community Media, saying he follows recommended security guidelines from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). ?For us smaller guys, it's an issue of liability. The time it takes to lock them up is not as big a liability as having the guns out there on the street.?
A representative of Pawn Bank on Littleton Boulevard declined comment on the law.
Colorado's first
The law requiring gun dealers to secure firearms after hours appears to be Colorado's first, Betzing told Colorado Community Media, and one of very few in the country. He said he based the ordinance's language on similar laws in Illinois and Minnesota, as well as suggested security measures in guidance documents published by the FBI and ATF.
Previously, the only city-level requirement a gun dealer needed in Littleton was a standard business license, Betzing said.
All gun dealers must obtain a Federal Firearms License (FFL), which is issued by the ATF, said Matthew Deasaro, a spokesperson for the agency's Denver field division.
But while the ATF offers guidelines for store security, FFL holders are not required to abide by any particular safe storage measures, Deasaro said. Most requirements for an FFL concern such things as record-keeping about acquisitions, sales and background checks on buyers.
The ATF investigates all burglaries from FFL holders, Deasaro said.
?Investigating those incidents is one of ATF's top priorities,? he said. ?Stolen firearms can end up involved in trafficking and violent crimes. There are other victims too: the businesses themselves. Sometimes individuals in the businesses are injured or killed during those burglaries or robberies.?
Deasaro declined to comment on the specifics of Littleton's new law, saying the ATF respects the laws of local jurisdictions.
Colorado had 56 reports of theft or loss of firearms from FFL holders in 2019, the most recent year for which data is available, according to ATF documents. There were 49 in 2018, 71 in 2017 ? a spike caused by a statewide rash of smash-and-grab burglaries that ended after multiple arrests ? 49 in 2016, 47 in 2015 and 40 in 2014.
Colorado does not mandate any particular state-level licensing for gun dealers, according to a spokesperson for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI).
Mayor Jerry Valdes told council he was hopeful the new ordinance would make a difference.
?To the city attorney and chief of police, thank you very much for what you've come up with,? Valdes told Betzing and Stephens at the Feb. 2 meeting. ?It's definitely for the safety of our citizens. Thank you very much for coming up with something that is a very reasonable plan to do.?

*****

I did not see mention of Rapidfire Bunker- a fine establishment while it was open.

.455_Hunter
02-11-2021, 17:36
Not a surprising development. I figured would have seen more law making in this area by now.

def90
02-11-2021, 17:46
Didn’t they already chase all of the gun dealers out of town a couple years ago when they were requiring them to install cameras that could be used by the PD?

ray1970
02-11-2021, 18:01
Meh. You guys will be much more excited when safe storage applies to any and everyone who owns a gun.

.455_Hunter
02-11-2021, 18:26
Meh. You guys will be much more excited when safe storage applies to any and everyone who owns a gun.

I don't store my guns in glass cases next to glass windows in strip malls with a big gun store sign.

tactical_2012
02-11-2021, 18:27
Saw this online and dug into it a little heard a local gun store was leaving out there guns overnight including full autos. There security system was filmed glass entry doors with no bars a flimy security gate that was wasnt even bolted to the floor. Only took burglars a couple minutes to get inside and make off with a bunch of guns. NOW people are blaming Littleton City Council for passing a city ordinance that will require them to lock in safe or armory room. Sounds like it was shotty business practice that caused this. I am VERY pro gun and a store that shows off there stuff, then doesn't secure them, and cries when they get broken into has nobody to blame but themselves.

Littleton enacts state's first 'safe storage' law for gun dealers | Littletonindependent.net
https://littletonindependent.net/stories/littleton-enacts-states-first-safe-storage-law-for-gun-dealers,372453

Grant H.
02-11-2021, 20:05
While I don't like seeing more .gov controls that really shouldn't be necessary, I have never understood the gun stores that have some form of bars on the windows, a basic glass case, and an alarm.

That's an awful lot of risk in the form of inventory, liability, etc to not lock up a known desirable commodity.

Aloha_Shooter
02-11-2021, 22:57
I'm generally against more government regulations but I don't understand gun stores that employ shoddy security practices. Setting up an attractive target where thieves can make off with dozens of firearms in a matter of minutes endangers the rest of the community. I doubt any of us/you who may have firearms have big signs advertising that fact or leave them out overnight in unattended displays easily seen from streetside windows.

WETWRKS
02-12-2021, 02:31
My question would be...why are they not requiring the same of police officers who regularly have patrol vehicles broken into and firearms stolen out of?

Circuits
02-12-2021, 04:25
My question would be...why are they not requiring the same of police officers who regularly have patrol vehicles broken into and firearms stolen out of?

rules for thee, and not for they

Martinjmpr
02-12-2021, 09:02
I am VERY pro gun and a store that shows off there stuff, then doesn't secure them, and cries when they get broken into has nobody to blame but themselves.




While I don't like seeing more .gov controls that really shouldn't be necessary, I have never understood the gun stores that have some form of bars on the windows, a basic glass case, and an alarm.

That's an awful lot of risk in the form of inventory, liability, etc to not lock up a known desirable commodity.


I'm generally against more government regulations but I don't understand gun stores that employ shoddy security practices. Setting up an attractive target where thieves can make off with dozens of firearms in a matter of minutes endangers the rest of the community. I doubt any of us/you who may have firearms have big signs advertising that fact or leave them out overnight in unattended displays easily seen from streetside windows.

Yes, how many times did the gun store by SW Plaza get hit before they finally started locking up their guns?

It's fine to wave the "me no like gummint!" flag but when you are engaging in practices that put guns into the hands of criminals, you're pretty much asking for government intervention.


My question would be...why are they not requiring the same of police officers who regularly have patrol vehicles broken into and firearms stolen out of?

How many cop's guns have been stolen out of their vehicles in Littleton in the last 4 years?

I don't have the figures but I'm fairly certain it's less than 144. ;)

funkymonkey1111
02-12-2021, 09:51
How many cop's guns have been stolen out of their vehicles in Littleton in the last 4 years?

I don't have the figures but I'm fairly certain it's less than 144. ;)

not related to Littleton, but some numbers on guns stolen from the fuzz:

https://www.thetrace.org/2018/11/lost-and-stolen-police-guns/

mjzman
02-12-2021, 10:12
I don't know, but suspect that most of the stores are leased spaces. Might there be restrictions about the amount of modifications that a lessee can do? Installing bars and gates, etc. might be deemed detrimental to the value of the property.

eddiememphis
02-12-2021, 13:14
I don't know, but suspect that most of the stores are leased spaces. Might there be restrictions about the amount of modifications that a lessee can do? Installing bars and gates, etc. might be deemed detrimental to the value of the property.

Unlikely. Most liquor stores and pawn shops have bars or gates.

Irving
02-12-2021, 14:26
Maybe we need safe storage laws for criminals.

newracer
02-12-2021, 14:48
I am surprised that insurance companies don't require such protection.

O2HeN2
02-12-2021, 15:04
...unfortunately that's the nose.

Steps two, three and infinitum is to expand and toughen up the requirements so it's prohibitively expensive.

O2

buffalobo
02-12-2021, 15:15
Maybe we need safe storage laws for criminals.We got it, called jail.

RblDiver
02-12-2021, 16:05
We got it, called jail.

Except for all these DAs releasing everyone...

Eric P
02-12-2021, 17:17
Just more overhead costs added to the hobby...

More meaningless laws to punish law abiding gun owners.

.455_Hunter
02-12-2021, 18:05
Just more overhead costs added to the hobby...

More meaningless laws to punish law abiding gun owners.

I would say that is a bit of an oversimplification of the issue, and wouldn't equate firearms on the same level as other "hobbies".

Better business practices by certain vendors would have negated the apparent need for this law.

DenverGP
02-12-2021, 18:17
Better business practices by certain vendors would have negated the apparent need for this law.

Agree.... after the first time of a store getting robbed of firearms, you'd think they'd figure out how to improve... After the second time, i'd damn sure figure it out...

Eric P
02-12-2021, 18:35
But stealing is already illegal. Why punish a property owner for the deeds of those who ignore existing laws?

Just another silly law equivalent to the puffer law. Punish victims, and potential victims, not the criminals.

Irving
02-12-2021, 18:38
Not really. You're punishing people that make the entire industry more risky/expensive.

def90
02-12-2021, 19:26
I don't know, but suspect that most of the stores are leased spaces. Might there be restrictions about the amount of modifications that a lessee can do? Installing bars and gates, etc. might be deemed detrimental to the value of the property.

Actually when it comes to commercial real estate rental a lot of times retail buildouts will be financed by the property owner so writing enhanced security upgrades in to the provisions of a lease could be a simple slam dunk on the part of the leasee. The property owner has an incentive to get a good renter in that will increase the value and thus the rental potential of their property so they will often pay for upgrades themselves in exchanve for the negotiated lease rate.

In other words, no real excuse for not having bars in the windows or doors.

OneGuy67
02-16-2021, 11:01
Triple J has been burglarized a number of times, yet they choose to not learn a lesson. I can't imagine what their insurance company has to say about it.

Irving
02-16-2021, 11:14
Triple J has been burglarized a number of times, yet they choose to not learn a lesson. I can't imagine what their insurance company has to say about it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQPrFR9KRo&ab_channel=BillPascoe

Madusa
02-17-2021, 11:56
I bet Walmart looses far more money from shoplifting in a period of time. Maybe they should be forced to fix the issue. Some government regulation driving up the cost to do business would be welcomed by fascist for eliminating competition
and maybe socialist if it created more government jobs.

Aloha_Shooter
02-17-2021, 12:08
Oh FFS. Of course Walmart loses more money BUT

1. Walmart is a much bigger operation than a LGS. The percentage of revenue they lose from shoplifting is miniscule compared to the percentage some of these LGSes are losing to crash-and-run robberies.

2. Walmart does loss prevention analysis and makes decisions about it based on cost and risk profiles. They actually have bollards outside their entrances so you CAN'T do a crash and run.

3. I somehow don't feel endangered from someone shoplifting candy or DVDs from Walmart. It's not even close to someone getting a couple dozen unsecured firearms after crashing a car through the door of the LGS.

4. These regulations wouldn't even have been proposed if the LGS involved had secured their firearms after hours or had reasonable prevention safeguards in place. My buddy in Florida with a LGS secures EVERY firearm when he closes up. EVERY one.

Just how many fascists or socialists do you see on this board? I think I've seen a small handful of socialist whackjobs here over the years and they've generally been laughed off the board. This is a case where it gets really hard for even die-hard 2A supporters to defend the numbnuts that do stupid stuff.

Madusa
02-17-2021, 20:35
Oh FFS. Of course Walmart loses more money BUT

1. Walmart is a much bigger operation than a LGS. The percentage of revenue they lose from shoplifting is miniscule compared to the percentage some of these LGSes are losing to crash-and-run robberies.

2. Walmart does loss prevention analysis and makes decisions about it based on cost and risk profiles. They actually have bollards outside their entrances so you CAN'T do a crash and run.

3. I somehow don't feel endangered from someone shoplifting candy or DVDs from Walmart. It's not even close to someone getting a couple dozen unsecured firearms after crashing a car through the door of the LGS.

4. These regulations wouldn't even have been proposed if the LGS involved had secured their firearms after hours or had reasonable prevention safeguards in place. My buddy in Florida with a LGS secures EVERY firearm when he closes up. EVERY one.

Just how many fascists or socialists do you see on this board? I think I've seen a small handful of socialist whackjobs here over the years and they've generally been laughed off the board. This is a case where it gets really hard for even die-hard 2A supporters to defend the numbnuts that do stupid stuff.

The fact I brought up Walmart is that you could apply this government regulation to anything even candy. If you believe a company can stay in business getting robbed every week you are wrong; they would run out of money and the insurance would run out ( capitalism). Your friend in Florida seem nice; maybe you should move there. Criminal s don’t a bay laws.Littleton is being political. Automobiles kill more people than guns, wtf, aloha

Aloha_Shooter
02-17-2021, 23:20
Shoplifters grabbing candy aren't a general danger to the public. Most businesses -- including Walmart -- do loss prevention analysis and decide how much risk to take because they in fact DO get robbed in various ways nearly daily. The LGSes that prompted these statutes don't appear to have done anything about loss prevention and that lack of action on their part is what's prompting those statutes. We haven't had that problem in other areas of the state -- either in terms of the robberies or new laws.

I'm well aware criminals don't obey laws -- that's why responsible merchants would lock up merchandise like firearms and jewelry after hours instead of leaving them visible and available for someone to just smash in the door or window or take other steps to prevent such easy thefts.

Want to lbame someone for stupid laws? Try blaiming the irresponsible vendors who practically enable these crimes -- in some cases, frequently.