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ChickNorris
02-20-2021, 19:09
..https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepointsguy.com/news/united-777-engine-fire-denver/amp/
@irving, is it covered by home owner's insurance? I am kinda rusty on Fire&casulty side.
"Aircraft" shows up in insurance policies. It's either specifically covered, or specifically excluded. I can never remember.
JohnnyDrama
02-20-2021, 20:02
Reminds me of the safety reports.
"This week there were four reports of things falling off aircraft."
scratchy
02-20-2021, 20:42
3 blocks from my house
BPTactical
02-20-2021, 21:03
Parts left off cannot fail.
Parts left off cost nothing.
KevDen2005
02-20-2021, 21:10
I'm not a pilot but I'm curious about landing. What happens during the landing process, don't they usually reverse the engines? if that's the case can they reverse just one?
@irving, is it covered by home owner's insurance? I am kinda rusty on Fire&casulty side.
I looked up some notes, and on the most basic, named perils, policies, damages to property from aircraft are covered.
-Windstorm, Civil Disorder, Smoke, Hail, Aircraft, Vehicles (except to fences or driveways), Explosion, Riot, Volcanic eruption, Vandalism and Malicious Mischief (except theft and glass breakage).
I would ask if I could keep that engine shroud if it landed in my yard!
I looked up some notes, and on the most basic, named perils, policies, damages to property from aircraft are covered.
-Windstorm, Civil Disorder, Smoke, Hail, Aircraft, Vehicles (except to fences or driveways), Explosion, Riot, Volcanic eruption, Vandalism and Malicious Mischief (except theft and glass breakage).
Thanks.
I think most insurance do not cover war and nuclear blast. that i know. :)
BPTactical
02-20-2021, 21:27
I'm not a pilot but I'm curious about landing. What happens during the landing process, don't they usually reverse the engines? if that's the case can they reverse just one?
Air Brakes
Duh!
.455_Hunter
02-20-2021, 22:06
Holy crap!
https://youtu.be/sBxe4cQzUIY
No fuel cutoff switch?
Holy crap!
https://youtu.be/sBxe4cQzUIY
No fuel cutoff switch?
I wonder what B. A. Baracus would say about that.
OctopusHighball
02-20-2021, 23:37
I wonder what B. A. Baracus would say about that.
I pity the fuel?
I heard some celebrity was on the flight...couldn't figure out who. It was either Shatner or Lithgow.
beast556
02-21-2021, 00:27
I pity the fuel?
That was good!!!
Wolfshoon
02-21-2021, 01:35
Holy crap!
https://youtu.be/sBxe4cQzUIY
No fuel cutoff switch?
Fire is going out in the video, running out of fuel to burn as it's source has been cut off. Procedure is to pull fire handle which shuts off fuel, electrical generators and bleed air valves. Fire should self extinguish after set period of time, if it continues then fire bottles containing a halon charge are activated. All done via electronic Checklist on DU in cockpit or paper backup sheet. The pilots follow a very set, regimented procedure for engine out/fire failures and are trained a lot on this scenario. Plane and all aboard were able to land safely, testament to pilot skill, training and aircraft technology advances. 777 is ETOPS rated (engines turn or people swimming, inside joke ha ha) for extended operations with one engine out. Most engine failures are not this dramatic with pieces falling off and visible fire, but they happen more often than you might think. Most don't make the news because the planes just land without incidence.
I'm not a pilot but I'm curious about landing. What happens during the landing process, don't they usually reverse the engines? if that's the case can they reverse just one?
Extra long roll-out on landing with brakes only if runway length available, Denver has long runways. Shorter runways will use reduced reverse thrust on good engine with a lot of rudder input to correct yaw. Again this is done a lot during training, the pilots are equipped with the skills to handle this.
kidicarus13
02-21-2021, 01:52
Fire is going out in the video, running out of fuel to burn as it's source has been cut off. Procedure is to pull fire handle which shuts off fuel, electrical generators and bleed air valves. Fire should self extinguish after set period of time, if it continues then fire bottles containing a halon charge are activated. All done via electronic Checklist on DU in cockpit or paper backup sheet. The pilots follow a very set, regimented procedure for engine out/fire failures and are trained a lot on this scenario. Plane and all aboard were able to land safely, testament to pilot skill, training and aircraft technology advances. 777 is ETOPS rated (engines turn or people swimming, inside joke ha ha) for extended operations with one engine out. Most engine failures are not this dramatic with pieces falling off and visible fire, but they happen more often than you might think. Most don't make the news because the planes just land without incidence.
Extra long roll-out on landing with brakes only if runway length available, Denver has long runways. Shorter runways will use reduced reverse thrust on good engine with a lot of rudder input to correct yaw. Again this is done a lot during training, the pilots are equipped with the skills to handle this.Good info
RblDiver
02-21-2021, 03:01
That nobody in the air nor the ground was injured is testament that God sent some angels down yesterday!
I'm not a pilot but I'm curious about landing. What happens during the landing process, don't they usually reverse the engines? if that's the case can they reverse just one?
Runways at DIA are long enough that it's not required for them to do that at all.
Airplanes shed parts more often than you would think. It rarely makes the news.
Airplanes shed parts more often than you would think. It rarely makes the news.
Sounds like we need more safety wire.
KevDen2005
02-21-2021, 10:00
Airplanes shed parts more often than you would think. It rarely makes the news.
If that's true What the hell is all that 100 MPH tape for?
That nobody in the air nor the ground was injured is testament that God sent some angels down yesterday!
Yeah I saw a halo in someone's front yard!
wctriumph
02-21-2021, 12:10
I heard some celebrity was on the flight...couldn't figure out who. It was either Shatner or Lithgow.
[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]
Glad to hear everyone is OK.
And bricks were shat.....
Bailey Guns
02-21-2021, 15:16
https://i.imgur.com/CLPjGOp.png
I heard some celebrity was on the flight...couldn't figure out who. It was either Shatner or Lithgow.
I see what you did there.
Very nice.
whitewalrus
02-21-2021, 15:55
If that's true What the hell is all that 100 MPH tape for?
Ground based transport - which is why you see it on cars all the time :). Not aviation grade
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Aloha_Shooter
02-21-2021, 16:33
Thread on FlyerTalk has links to video of the engine on fire in flight:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/2034468-ua-328-uncontained-engine-fire-20-feb-2021-den-hnl.html
This picture is a testament to the design and build quality of Pratt & Whitney products:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.flyertalk.com-vbulletin/2000x1198/ua_engine_297eb92e22d3fd208ea13a914f0044ae5f2c74b8 .png
The GE90 that is on the newer 777's is a much better engine. The 777's with the Pratts are older and used on shorter routes and have more dense seating configuration for flights to Hawaii. It does sound like the entire crew did a good/great job! The flight deck gets real busy when that happens, the aviate, navigate, and communicate, really challenges your ability to manage the whole system. I have been there, done it, got the T-shirt.
If NTSB does not collect the parts, sell it on etsy or poshmark. :D
https://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=85132&stc=1&d=1613869507
Thread on FlyerTalk has links to video of the engine on fire in flight:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/2034468-ua-328-uncontained-engine-fire-20-feb-2021-den-hnl.html
This picture is a testament to the design and build quality of Pratt & Whitney products:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.flyertalk.com-vbulletin/2000x1198/ua_engine_297eb92e22d3fd208ea13a914f0044ae5f2c74b8 .png
Amen on engine quality, amazing video. Any guess on approx. RPM when this was taken? Must have been a fun time in the office!
BPTactical
02-21-2021, 18:18
I’m not as impressed with the engine quality as I am the design and fasteners of the pylon! The lack of aerodynamics the kaboomed engine imposed must have increased the loading on that pylon exponentially.
If NTSB does not collect the parts, sell it on etsy or poshmark. :D
https://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=85132&stc=1&d=1613869507
Serious question..
If its on your property, does the NTSB need a search warrant to enter your property?
Who is legal owner of said debris?
Can you refuse retrieval?
.455_Hunter
02-21-2021, 18:35
Serious question..
If its on your property, does the NTSB need a search warrant to enter your property?
Who is legal owner of said debris?
Can you refuse retrieval?
I know when the Columbia broke-up, armed citizens guarded pieces of the shuttle until proper authorities could secure them- Jethro and Cleetus wanted them to decorate their man cave.
I know when the Columbia broke-up, armed citizens guarded pieces of the shuttle until proper authorities could secure them- Jethro and Cleetus wanted them to decorate their man cave.
There were chunks of that thing burning in people's fields. Chunks in the highway median, etc.
It broke my girlfriends window. I was snoring on the couch, that boom was quite a wakeup call.
https://i.imgur.com/CLPjGOp.png
Too soon, Karl!! [Evil]
Scanker19
02-21-2021, 21:46
Of course it landed at DIA, even with only one engine all roads lead to the Denver airport!!! Wake up, Sheeple!!
P.S.
I?m disappointed by the lack of Donnie Darko comments.
Aloha_Shooter
02-21-2021, 23:25
Of course it landed at DIA, even with only one engine all roads lead to the Denver airport!!!
Well, not only was Denver the closest airport since they had just taken off but they were saying on FlyerTalk that DEN has the longest civilian runway in America and they didn't have time for a fuel dump so landed 30,000 pounds overweight. From what they were saying, the overweight didn't matter since they didn't have to worry about braking as much.
Wolfshoon
02-22-2021, 02:51
Pretty good explanation of engine fire and procedures for this incident with associated ATC comm logs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Wler87pwY
kidicarus13
02-22-2021, 06:48
What would have happened if that engine would have failed over the Pacific on the way to Hawaii?!
.455_Hunter
02-22-2021, 07:24
What would have happened if that engine would have failed over the Pacific on the way to Hawaii?!
They would have either continued to Hawaii or returned to CA- whichever was shortest. It sounds like they were able to "secure" the engine, limiting the immediate danger, and the 777 can fly just fine on the other good engine.
Aloha_Shooter
02-22-2021, 07:38
There's a reason the FAA sets time limits for ETOPS (Extended-range Twin-engine Operations Performance Standards). That's the distance the airplane is authorized to fly with an engine out. ETOPS for the 777 is 330 minutes so even if the engine goes out over the Pacific, the plane could go back to the West Coast or make it to Hawaii. Of course, continuing fire could pose other problems.
What would have happened if that engine would have failed over the Pacific on the way to Hawaii?!
They can fly just fine with one engine. Maybe not at 35,000 feet and a full bag of gas, but just fine.
They can fly just fine with one engine. Maybe not at 35,000 feet and a full bag of gas, but just fine.
It's even easier if they shed some weight. Politicians and lawyers first!
Got to use every justifiable excuse we can get our hands on...
SuperiorDG
02-22-2021, 14:50
They can fly just fine with one engine. Maybe not at 35,000 feet and a full bag of gas, but just fine.
I think the 777 flew across the Atlantic with one engine in testing.
RblDiver
02-22-2021, 15:41
It's even easier if they shed some weight. Politicians and lawyers first!
Got to use every justifiable excuse we can get our hands on...
I must say, the prediction in Back to the Future 2 that I am most sad didn't come true was abolishing all lawyers!
(......ok, flying cars >.>)
Snowman78
02-22-2021, 17:55
I am sure this aircraft was right above our house just seconds before the engine engine problems.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL328/history/20210220/1925Z/KDEN/KDEN
NASCAR plane, could only turn left.
Missed us by a country mile.
It will be interesting to see how (if) they repair the plane and get it back in service.
hollohas
02-22-2021, 21:11
I was on a flight from Honolulu to LA years ago, we'd been in the air about an hour when the plane banked hard. I thought, "Damn". I knew that wasn't a good sign .
We had turned around. After a bit the pilot got on and told us the plane had lost one of the generators. He said it's ok, because there are 3 and we only need 2 but that we couldn't cross to LA without a backup which we no longer had. We had to circle around Honolulu for a long time to burn fuel before we could land. That flight turned into a long couple days.
Good minute by minute breakdown of the flight with coverage of checklists and ATC conversations...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Wler87pwY
O2
I hate to quote CNN but a friend that's a retired air traffic controller told me about the recent 747 engine that came apart over The Netherlands a few days ago.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/21/europe/cargo-plane-debris-meerssen-netherlands-trnd/index.html
These things happen far more frequently than we hear about as many occur over unpopulated areas.
Aloha_Shooter
02-26-2021, 00:23
These things happen far more frequently than we hear about as many occur over unpopulated areas.
One of the reasons we don't hear about it that often is that the planes are so well designed, built, and maintained today that accidents like this are generally survivable. Despite the popular opinion spawned by our mass media and various grandstanding politicians, I am convinced the 737 MAX is a safe plane and always was -- what WASN'T safe and still isn't are the training and maintenance practices outside the US. In both the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines accidents, the copilots who were at the controls during the final moments had levels of experience that were simply unsatisfactory by US standards. Listen to the Flight Safety Detectives podcast rundown of both accidents.
In the case of UA 328, the pilots knew their checklists and memory steps, kept their cool, and flew the plane.
BladesNBarrels
02-26-2021, 08:57
One of the instructors of a webinar I took on Wednesday had a piece of a Cessna land in his yard on Saturday.
Did not even make the news.
Seems to be more common than I was aware.
Be careful out there, the sky is falling!
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