View Full Version : CQB shit show
Mick-Boy
02-25-2021, 08:21
This is an shining example of why "served in the [branch of service] as a [combat arms/SOF MOS]" is not, on it's face, enough qualification to teach people anything. In the video we see soldiers from 10th Mtn conducting live fire CQB training. They are, presumably, under the supervision of multiple NCOs and officers.
CQB is not a basic skill. The marksmanship and gun handling have to be solid before going through the first door. As an instructor, one of the things that will give me Forest Whitaker eye is a guy trying to excuse sloppy gun handling with an excuse like " flags will happen in real life".
While that's likely true, we should never train with that as the expectation. There are too many other things that can go wrong in CQB. Safe gun handling and solid marksmanship always. Putting muzzles on team mates is not okay.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLkBOJKLX94/?igshid=1pxv0v7gotfl
Bad link
Edit: link better
It's only a .22 projectile, can't be that bad. Right?
Mick-Boy
02-25-2021, 08:51
Should be fixed.
I am almost speechless.
Someone is going to get hurt playing stupid games.
Ha. More proof that a vast majority of the population is of below average intelligence and has little to no situational awareness or common sense.
I don?t care if we?re talking doctors, lawyers, clergymen, cowboys, construction workers, police or military. Every group has its share of losers.
Ha. More proof that a vast majority of the population is of below average intelligence and has little to no situational awareness or common sense.
I don?t care if we?re talking doctors, lawyers, clergymen, cowboys, construction workers, police or military. Every group has its share of losers.
The difference is they're conducting live fire. Live fire is the LAST iteration in hours upon hours of dry fire runs, then blanks, then live fire. By the time they get to live fire, it should be so nailed down and fluid they're sick of it and don't make consistent mistakes as shown in the video. They look like a squad on its first dry run through a shoot house, if that squad sucked. That they look like this much chewed dogshit in a live fire stage is inexcusable.
Moreover, this is a failure of leadership and whomever was in charge of training and it's a failure of the leaders on the catwalk for not immediately calling ceasefire the first time someone blatantly flagged someone.
Your post pretty much reiterated my entire point of the general intelligence level of the population as a whole.
Apparently these are the smarter guys. The ones that made it to live fire.
I?d hate to see the group that didn?t make the cut.
battlemidget
02-25-2021, 10:34
dirty nasty legs I tell ya
Holy cow! That raised my blood pressure. That level of flagging would have gotten me failed out of every school I've been through.
Your post pretty much reiterated my entire point of the general intelligence level of the population as a whole.
Apparently these are the smarter guys. The ones that made it to live fire.
I?d hate to see the group that didn?t make the cut.
Not at all. To focus on the symptom (the soldiers) is to ignore the problem (leaders and trainers).
Rather, those in charge are the idiots who perpetuate deviating from the standard as normative. While safety can be pinned on everyone, at some point the buck stops. This is squarely on the RSOs, Instructors, and CoC who were observing the iteration and didn't stop it.
dirty nasty legs I tell ya
When an Inf battalion from the 82nd RIPed with us in Samarra in late 2005, one of their gunners kept having his .50 jam at the test fire pit. One of my dirty nasty leg NCOs who was small arms master gun qual'ed hopped up on his truck, only to find the airborne retard had lubed his M2 w/ LSAT for a mk19. He'd baked the shit to the bolt.
Once airborne are on the ground, they're legs anyway. ;)
Not at all. To focus on the symptom (the soldiers) is to ignore the problem (leaders and trainers).
Rather, those in charge are the idiots who perpetuate deviating from the standard as normative. While safety can be pinned on everyone, at some point the buck stops. This is squarely on the RSOs, Instructors, and CoC who were observing the iteration and didn't stop it.
Oh, I fully agree. I wasn?t leaving the people in charge out of my stupidity theory. The fact that they seem to be disregarding or failing to recognize blatant safety issues propels them pretty high up my stupidity rankings.
Someone trained them that way....ick
I guess the only positive is that they didn't actually SHOW them shooting each other...holy hell...
I guess the only positive is that they didn't actually SHOW them shooting each other...holy hell...
Would've made for a more watchable video.
battlemidget
03-01-2021, 01:06
haircuts and extra duty time
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/02/23/shoot-house-video-is-full-of-flagging-10th-mountain-senior-enlisted-vows-problems-will-get-fixed/
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