Shipping Primers.....Anyone know a Hazmat certified shipper?

[colorider]

I was able to get my hands on a quantity of small pistol primers and there is an ammo company in NV that I can ship them to to have them used to reload me 9mm ammo. Overall cost is well below today's market value. (Yes, it's a legit company that I have purchased thousands of rounds through. The simply don't have primers and have a BYOP program going)
I got the primers before really researching the shipping of primers. Have pretty much learned that it's not going to happen unless I break the law and just ship them normal ground and skipping the whole Hazmat thing. That's not going to happen. The company even told me "Most people just ship then normal UPS ground to us". Again, I'm not going to do that. Not worth the risk.
So my question is,,, do any of you gurus know of a hazmat certified (for primers/powder) that I can use to have them pack and ship these out for me? Total long shot but figured it's worth a shot.

[00tec]

You can ship UPS ground at one of their hubs (not the store). Just requires that you put ORM-D on the box.

[Little Dutch]

You can ship UPS ground at one of their hubs (not the store). Just requires that you put ORM-D on the box.

There's been a rule change on UPS ORM-D. I haven't had time to figure out what it means, exactly.

https://www.ups.com/us/en/help-center/packaging-and-supplies/special-care-shipments/hazardous-materials/ground-orm-d.page
After December 31, 2020, the ORM-D classification will be obsolete per D.O.T. HM-215K

All ORM-D classifications (Consumer Commodity; Cartridges, small arms; and Cartridges power device) are being eliminated and may no longer be used after December 31, 2020.

To determine if your material is eligible for the Limited Quantity exceptions for Ground Service, go to:

Limited Quantity Exception - Ground Service

If you have any questions about shipping hazardous materials with UPS, please call the UPS Hazardous Materials Support Center at 1-800-554-9964.

[colorider]

I just got off the phone with the UPS hazardous materials center. Shippers of primers need the Hazmat cert and license. Primers do not fall in the limited quantity exception.

[funkymonkey1111]

I just got off the phone with the UPS hazardous materials center. Shippers of primers need the Hazmat cert and license. Primers do not fall in the limited quantity exception.

wonder how all these people selling primers on gunbroker are shipping them? doubtful there's 100% compliance

[ray1970]

Just use the gays in the military rule.

Don?t ask, don?t tell.

When they ask if there is anything hazardous or perishable or whatever, just say no.

While you likely won?t get busted, if you do just pay dumb and say you didn?t know you couldn?t ship primers.

[colorider]

Many on gunbroker and elsewhere are shipping primers without a hazmat certification. I’m not going to take the risk. All it would take is for the ups driver to realize he is delivering a box to an ammo manufacturer and it has no hazmat sticker or required paperwork, stall the delivery for inspection or anything else. The fine and penalty is not worth it. In my lengthily reading today, it violates all kinds of laws and up shit creek is not where I want to be.

[Irving]

Plus, what if they all combusted and you ruined someone else's fancy grips or something?

[Great-Kazoo]

Plus, what if they all combusted and you ruined someone else's fancy grips or something?

OUCH ;)

[BladesNBarrels]

How about one of the firearms stores?
Might give one a call in your area and see what they say.

[rondog]

Hell, NV isn't that far, just drive them there! Visit the facility, hit a casino or whorehouse - make a mini-vacation out of it.

[colorider]

Hell, NV isn't that far, just drive them there! Visit the facility, hit a casino or whorehouse - make a mini-vacation out of it.

Didn’t work out the first time. Not worth the second.

[FoxtArt]

I used to be a fedex certified hazmat shipper. I'd venture a guess and say I was maybe 1/500 that was lawfully shipping stuff on gunbroker, lol. Later when they updated everything, I stopped doing it when I had a store, but had no reason to ship outbound either.

It's a lot of work and a lot of cost for materials (certain boxes) + shipping overhead, very rare to find a gunstore that can do it or would. Except for panic times like right now, there is no profit in it. Places to look would be a lab, moderate to large ammo manufacturer, wholesaler, distributor, etc. to find someone that is hazmat certified to ship. And most of them may not help...

I did love my double sided hazmat boxes. You could pack 150 pounds of shit into a 12"x12" box and it would never break....

[BladesNBarrels]

Maybe call Denver Bullets?
Before Greg Satre passed away, he shipped the ammo he manufactured to a lot of places.
The new owner might have some advice.

[colorider]

Shipping ammo is different than shipping powder or primers. Primers not in a casing. If already pressed into the casing, it can be shipped in just a flat rate box. Then if the powder is put in and a projectile, it has to be shipped ORM-D. I'm pretty much done with the researching and am probably going to sell the primers. Keep your eyes open in the next month as I will be selling them here.
Just to tease, there could be 10,000 federal hitting the trading post soon.

[Irving]

10 primers? I've got $0.30 cents set aside right now. ;)

[def90]

First of all ORM-D does not exist any more, all US shipping companies have now adapted the international marking standard of a black diamond with black tips for shipping ammo. Ammo can be shipped by anyone via any ground service other than I believe USPS.

Primers when shipped as bare primers fall under hazardous shipping rules and require the licensing and all that jazz.. However, some guy over at the FALFiles claims that you can ship primers if you go directly to the local UPS hub itself and create the shipment there, he claims that they handle the hazardous shipping part and that he does it all the time, that does not seem to jive with what I have read elsewhere but at the same time I've never tried it. The UPS Hub for the Denver area is at 52nd and Ivy in Commerce City.

Shipping symbol that has replaced ORM-D, you can literally just draw this on the outside of the box if you like or save this image to your computer and print it out on a piece of paper and tape it to the box, I belive the minimum size of the diamond is supposed to be 4x4 inches unless the packaging does not allow for it.:

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[colorider]

10 primers? I've got $0.30 cents set aside right now. ;)

fixed that