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Great-Kazoo
04-02-2021, 22:20
follow link for complete article. Written by an AZCDL member.


https://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=190563&sec_id=190563&fbclid=IwAR0Hf9_aISDMvVgOEgP40ciG2te748oG1FYdouT4M S1oQTD1EVTsmY3t6QM


Twenty-Seven Words
Shakespeare once wrote, ?Brevity is the soul of wit,? meaning that fewer words usually convey wisdom and intellect. America?s Founding Fathers certainly took his cue. In these 27 words, the Founders penned into parchment arguably the most controversial right in the history of the Republic. Despite what ought to be apparent, powerful, comprehendible, and uncontroversial, the Second Amendment (2A) has been the most maligned, manipulated, misinterpreted, and ignored amendment in the Constitution.

wctriumph
04-04-2021, 11:52
Really was not an issue until the commies took over the democratic party in the 60’s. We have been fighting for our lives ever since.

arbol
04-05-2021, 18:07
My father, a Harvard Graduate, used to say that in Business School, the saying was "If I had more time, I would have wrote a shorter (document.)"

It's true, that our founding fathers wrote short, concise, document(s), the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They spent a lot of time, effort and energy, in doing it right.

It's not perfect, by any means, but it is the sum total of our founding father's thoughts, very well thought out, at the time.

arbol
04-05-2021, 18:11
Today, we deal with massive Federal Government (a failing of the original documents, they did not limit the Federal Government enough. Makes sense, since they were written to establish, a federal government.)

The ONLY thing limiting the Federal Government, is the Bill of Rights.

Not a single right should be given away. NONE!

Sawin
04-11-2021, 07:50
....they did not limit the Federal Government enough....)
..

Ever consider?

Yes they did. We haven’t.

FoxtArt
04-11-2021, 08:28
Treating the FF's like a sanctified religion has always felt strange. They made plenty of mistakes. And those have reverberated into a lot of problems evident now. By way of example:

Mistake #1) Missing the forth branch of necessary government: The janitorial. We have 250 years of accumulated detritus of beaurocracy and regulation and nothing that ever cleans it out.
Mistake #2) Adopting the worst historical medieval model for the judicial.
Mistake #3) Adopting a judicial model in the first place. <---- this is the true cause of the elimination and covert rewriting of various rights, and it dates back hundreds of years. Look at the 11th amendment for starters. Clear as day, the plain text is intended to keep citizens from other states from interfering the sovereignty of your own state. The judicial covertly rewrote it to keep you from litigating against your own state, which is quite convenient for the judicial because it reduced their work load.

They did reasonably well on most things, especially for the time, but if they did a great job we wouldn't even be having the discussion as it would be unnecessary. Their checks and balances may have sounded nice in theory but obviously didn't work terribly well - thanks almost entirely to the judicial system they created.

Great-Kazoo
04-11-2021, 19:09
Treating the FF's like a sanctified religion has always felt strange. They made plenty of mistakes. And those have reverberated into a lot of problems evident now. By way of example:

Mistake #1) Missing the forth branch of necessary government: The janitorial. We have 250 years of accumulated detritus of beaurocracy and regulation and nothing that ever cleans it out.
Mistake #2) Adopting the worst historical medieval model for the judicial.
Mistake #3) Adopting a judicial model in the first place. <---- this is the true cause of the elimination and covert rewriting of various rights, and it dates back hundreds of years. Look at the 11th amendment for starters. Clear as day, the plain text is intended to keep citizens from other states from interfering the sovereignty of your own state. The judicial covertly rewrote it to keep you from litigating against your own state, which is quite convenient for the judicial because it reduced their work load.

They did reasonably well on most things, especially for the time, but if they did a great job we wouldn't even be having the discussion as it would be unnecessary. Their checks and balances may have sounded nice in theory but obviously didn't work terribly well - thanks almost entirely to the judicial system they created.

Here's my loose understanding, as i don't have said paperwork on hand, atm. From the Hillsdale College: Constitution 101 course , to repeat word for word, said info


While i agree.

The BOR & Constitution was formed using the foundation of, EVERY state needed to agree and ratify the wording
. ANY disagreement and or dissension and said articles would not be signed, w/out 100% approval.

The FF's, ok most, were in favor of abolishing slavery. BUT that wording and abolishment was opposed by 2 states. S. Carolina & Georgia . So, in order to get 100% agreement, said wording / abolishment of slavery was shelved.



https://online.hillsdale.edu/landing/constitution-101 Lecture #6

Slavery and the Roots of the Secession Crisis
Contrary to the Founders’ guiding principle of equality and their hopes for eventual abolition, slavery not only survived but spread and became entrenched in the South. Subsequently, a new ideology arose in defense of slavery, which rejected the principles of the Founding and fueled the sectional crisis that led to the Civil War.