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Singlestack
04-06-2021, 08:20
Because of the new "racist" voting law in Georgia, the MLB has moved the All-Star game to Coors Field. This will certainly mean a large revenue boost to DEN and surrounding hospitality (restaurants, bars, hotels,...) while a large revenue loss for ATL. How do you feel about that? Does it change how you view MLB?
Speaking only for myself, I'm done with any/all forms of watching MLB, MLB pools, etc. Just because the all star game is "here", I feel no desire to watch it or attend. Several companies have also come out against the election law such as Delta airlines, Koka-Kola, and Paypal. I had 2 Paypal accounts and closed them both, explaining to their customer service people that I don't do business with woke aholes and they are just a payment processor and shouldn't be taking political sides. Oh well. Seems like the list of companies I will not do business with is almost as long as the list of companies I will patronize these days.
funkymonkey1111
04-06-2021, 08:35
right there with you. Done with sports, period.
I am done with the MLB and most all pro sports these days. Support your local High School Teams...
This is a sad state of affairs, it almost seems the Left has decided to punish Red States by opening the border and creating a mess, taking business opportunities and moving them based off politics, and calling everyone and everything "racist" if you don't agree with them. Horrible - this tit for tat will turn into something worse...
Because of the new "racist" voting law in Georgia, the MLB has moved the All-Star game to Coors Field. This will certainly mean a large revenue boost to DEN and surrounding hospitality (restaurants, bars, hotels,...) while a large revenue loss for ATL. How do you feel about that? Does it change how you view MLB?
Speaking only for myself, I'm done with any/all forms of watching MLB, MLB pools, etc. Just because the all star game is "here", I feel no desire to watch it or attend. Several companies have also come out against the election law such as Delta airlines, Koka-Kola, and Paypal. I had 2 Paypal accounts and closed them both, explaining to their customer service people that I don't do business with woke aholes and they are just a payment processor and shouldn't be taking political sides. Oh well. Seems like the list of companies I will not do business with is almost as long as the list of companies I will patronize these days.
It will be interesting to see what Polis and Hancock do with all the homeless camps and zombies downtown.
Yeah, can't have THAT on national television.
I'm fine with private business doing as they wish. I have a problem with any and all tax payer resources promoting/hosting/facilitating and event to benefit a billionaire owner and millionaire employees. They should be able to pay for private security, rent road closures, permits, ect. Zero tax payer resources should be wasted on these.
I also find it funny that MLB move the game to a state with more restrictive voting requirements than the state it left.
If this event is allowed full capacity while other venues in the area remain restricted, it hope it shows the sheep that politicians are even more corrupt than they believe and the rona lockdown were about control not science.
It will be interesting to see what Polis and Hancock do with all the homeless camps and zombies downtown.
We should start pooling them from the burbs to the downtown and the stadium districts. Plenty of empty unused lots for broken down rvs, tents, cardboard boxes, ect. Make the optics of removing the trash very painful for the city. I have also seen post on fb and twatter gearing up for anti capitalism riots around the baseball stadium.
I would hate to be a resident around the stadium.
kidicarus13
04-06-2021, 11:05
First season (2019/2020) in decades I haven't watched at least some NBA, NFL, or MLB. Sports were only enjoyable when politics weren't on display. You cam keep your sports, I've developed other interests.
funkymonkey1111
04-06-2021, 11:06
There was an audio clip (I don't know who was speaking) on the Rush Limbaugh show this morning that said Colorado's existing voting laws are actually more restrictive than the one just passed in Georgia.
Scanker19
04-06-2021, 11:09
There was an audio clip (I don't know who was speaking) on the Rush Limbaugh show this morning that said Colorado's existing voting laws are actually more restrictive than the one just passed in Georgia.
Yeah but are they racist laws!???!?!!!
I’m surprised my brown ass can figure how to use this webzone little
Less find and apply for a driver license...
BladesNBarrels
04-06-2021, 11:16
There was an audio clip (I don't know who was speaking) on the Rush Limbaugh show this morning that said Colorado's existing voting laws are actually more restrictive than the one just passed in Georgia.
Not sure how that is.
I think Colorado has good voting laws.
Enacted by a Republican Secretary of State way ahead of the Democrats even thinking about them.
I think Georgia's restrictions might have over reached a bit when they banned providing water to people waiting in line to vote.
In things like that, I am more libertarian then republican - less government is better government.
RblDiver
04-06-2021, 11:29
Plenty of sites on the right pointing out that the MLB pulled out of a (iirc) ~50% black population area to one that's ~10%.
Singlestack
04-06-2021, 11:34
Not sure how that is.
I think Colorado has good voting laws.
Enacted by a Republican Secretary of State way ahead of the Democrats even thinking about them.
I think Georgia's restrictions might have over reached a bit when they banned providing water to people waiting in line to vote.
In things like that, I am more libertarian then republican - less government is better government.
Stop drinking the Koolaid and lies. They did NOT ban providing water to people waiting in line to vote. Don't listen to biden or the media - they are lying about that. The only restrictions is it prevents those affiliated with a political party from handing out gifts (including food and water) within 150 ft of a polling place. Thats called electioneering and has been banned since elections started. They can bring their own water, the poll workers can hand out water, or they can get it for free from political parties outside the 150 ft distance when they arrive to vote.
hollohas
04-06-2021, 12:49
I think Georgia's restrictions might have over reached a bit when they banned providing water to people waiting in line to vote.
Wait, You actually believed that nonsense or are you being sarcastic?
Corporate media had pundits on their networks constantly saying how people "waiting for hours in the scorching heat without water" blah blah blah.
When was the last time anyone stood in line for hours to vote?
The average high temp in Georgia in November is 63deg! In June during the primary it's like 86deg.
Those comments alone should tip everyone off that the water ban thing was complete fabricated hogwash. The claim that anyone wrote and passed a law specifically banning water should immediately fail everyone's smell test and encouraged them to do a bit more digging.
why a business of any kind wants to get political and "take a side" is beyond me. After all, once you do that you are sure to alienate about 50% of your potential viewers/buyers/business. But then again, how effective is boycotting these days? Has there been any businesses put out of business because of their political view? Doesn't look like any of the major league sports are dying despite the fact that they've "chosen" sides although I'm another that simply have stopped watching any of them. Although to be fair, football was about the only one that I used to watch.
When you "own" the media, or they "own" you, the lies are spread as fact and believed. While the political folks are always trying to spin, it's the media that is the biggest threat to our way of life here in the USA. They have been working to split us for decades. The media, hollywood, the lot of them. The media has take up the cause of their socialist owners, likely because they want more money and power. There is no "free press" - even freedom of speech is under attack by the media. They decide who to censor, who to promote, when to spread hate and about whom. They will turn on this administration at some point.
Stop drinking the Koolaid and lies. They did NOT ban providing water to people waiting in line to vote. Don't listen to biden or the media - they are lying about that. The only restrictions is it prevents those affiliated with a political party from handing out gifts (including food and water) within 150 ft of a polling place. Thats called electioneering and has been banned since elections started. They can bring their own water, the poll workers can hand out water, or they can get it for free from political parties outside the 150 ft distance when they arrive to vote.
Not sure how that is.
I think Colorado has good voting laws.
Enacted by a Republican Secretary of State way ahead of the Democrats even thinking about them.
I think Georgia's restrictions might have over reached a bit when they banned providing water to people waiting in line to vote.
In things like that, I am more libertarian then republican - less government is better government.
They didn?t ban water. They banned water being gifted by political organizations at the polls.
Just another lie about the law being propagated.
Did GA banned SODA or Increased SODA tax for people who wait in line to vote too?
[Coffee]
Rucker61
04-06-2021, 14:07
Stop drinking the Koolaid and lies. They did NOT ban providing water to people waiting in line to vote. Don't listen to biden or the media - they are lying about that. The only restrictions is it prevents those affiliated with a political party from handing out gifts (including food and water) within 150 ft of a polling place. Thats called electioneering and has been banned since elections started. They can bring their own water, the poll workers can hand out water, or they can get it for free from political parties outside the 150 ft distance when they arrive to vote.
When I pointed this out to someone claiming that the Republicans made it illegal to give water to anyone in line, I was accused of shading. 150 ft is 50 yards, and with a yard between people that's 50 people inside the forbidden zone. How long would it take the 50 people inside the polls to vote, because that's the max amount of time they'd be without access to water, and that's if they don't bring their own, the poll workers don't give out any and they weren't bright enough to grab some at the 160' line.
hollohas
04-06-2021, 14:27
These aren't just misunderstandings, the media is purposely misrepresenting the water thing (and everything else for that matter).
The first picture is what the media lies are showing. They are literally posting this part everywhere. Even Fox News posted this part on twitter.
They say, here's the law, it very clearly forbids campaign actives, including handing out "food or drink" within 150ft of a polling place. OMG! They won't let people have water!!!! The humanity!!!! Save us!!
But they cutoff the rest of this section, from the very same page.
The rest states, "this section shall not prohibit a poll officer from making available self-service water to electors waiting in line."
On THE VERY SAME F'IN PAGE the law says people waiting can be given WATER!
But the media intentionally removed that part. They're all so full of shit it's sickening.
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So basically, you can can give out water, but not while loaded down with all your Bernie gear.
BladesNBarrels
04-06-2021, 14:40
Interesting commentary on what the Georgia Law actually says.
It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.
James Madison 1778
Ozzy Osbourne said it all back in 1980, amazing how spot on he was :).
Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe. It's not too late
To learn how to love, and forget how to hate
Mental wounds not healing
Life's a bitter shame
I'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train
I'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train
I've listened to preachers,
I've listened to fools
I've watched all the dropouts
Who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The media sells it and you live the role
Amazing, the media sells it, and we live the role... After this MLB crap, we can't even "buy the world a coke" LOL....
This news just breaking, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube set to merge together to form the most power Liberal Media group on the planet. They intend to call the new company YouTwitFace.
Okay, fake news... But it's funny...
As to the MLB? Zero. Fucks. Given.
Until the focus returns to the games and not politics or virtue signaling, sports won't get any of my time or money.
eddiememphis
04-06-2021, 16:13
It looks like that means that the Governor will lift the mandates he enacted in overreaction to the Covid "crisis". These include wearing masks, suspending the so called tenant protections, ending use of federal funds issued by the Coronavirus Act, and rescinding the declaration of a disaster emergency.
Or will he?
Once these fools get a taste of power it is unlikely they give it up. I would not be surprised to see a lifting of some of the nonsense, only to have them re-enacted after the game due to an unfortunate surge of cases or a new, super extra deadly strain popping up.
eddiememphis
04-06-2021, 16:18
As to baseball, I have never been an MLB fan. I am a Rockies fan, although less so this year after the Montforts paying St. Louis to take Arenado.
Same with the Nuggets. Life long fan but who cares about the governing body.
I have heard you can watch both for free on the internet so they aren't getting any of my money directly.
colorider
04-06-2021, 16:51
It looks like that means that the Governor will lift the mandates he enacted in overreaction to the Covid "crisis". These include wearing masks, suspending the so called tenant protections, ending use of federal funds issued by the Coronavirus Act, and rescinding the declaration of a disaster emergency.
Or will he?
Once these fools get a taste of power it is unlikely they give it up. I would not be surprised to see a lifting of some of the nonsense, only to have them re-enacted after the game due to an unfortunate surge of cases or a new, super extra deadly strain popping up.
This is exactly what will happen, but with a small twist. He will allow half capacity for the game. A week later will say “I thought we were safe, but with the several variants out there we are obviously not. Number are going back and we can’t have this.” And back to the same old bullshit we have been living with. There is ZERO chance the game will be a true sell out crowd under Polis. He’s saying this bullshit now because he sold the MLB the same bullshit he has been selling us. He’s an attention whore and again he’s in the national spotlight. The Boulder shooting faded away way too fast for him. He needs his time back in the spotlight. And here we are.
I hope they issue peddling license for street vendor to sell burritos and soda while waiting for a long in-and-out lines (or voting lines).
What if the state bans porta potty near those places? [dig][pileoshit]
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BREATHER
04-07-2021, 04:23
I stopped watching all pro ball awhile ago.
StagLefty
04-07-2021, 07:43
As to the MLB? Zero. Fucks. Given.
Until the focus returns to the games and not politics or virtue signaling, sports won't get any of my time or money.
Amen !!!!
Please no kneeling down during Canadian national anthem. It is so disrespectful to Blue Jay's fan.
BladesNBarrels
04-07-2021, 08:43
Well, it is official this morning according to the Governor and the Mayor.
Full capacity on or before the July 13th game for all sports.
Maybe should quarantine Boulder since they have 2 cases of the new variant that causes COVID in people that have already had it.
Health Safety is Politics.
Singlestack
04-07-2021, 09:47
Interesting commentary on what the Georgia Law actually says.
It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.
James Madison 1778
I hope you are being sarcastic about the quote from Madison? We have 2 problems: Those with the biggest megaphones - politicians, media, and major corporations - intentionally and blatantly lying, constantly, and most people just believing what they are hearing without doing their own fact-checking. The law in question is neither voluminous nor incoherent. It just takes getting off one's butt and doing 10 minutes of civic duty to be informed.
Aloha_Shooter
04-07-2021, 13:25
MLB, like just about all other pro sports, has become as American as borscht and boiled tofu. At least we still have Little League ...
If I could anti-watch this, I would.
I do NOT watch Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) league, because they use to be known for Salary Discrimination by Nationality.
Foreign players (incl americans) get paid less than equal Japanese player with similar stats.
[panic]
https://file.scirp.org/Html/2-7200422_28181.htm
https://m.scirp.org/papers/28181
These aren't just misunderstandings, the media is purposely misrepresenting the water thing (and everything else for that matter).
The first picture is what the media lies are showing. They are literally posting this part everywhere. Even Fox News posted this part on twitter.
They say, here's the law, it very clearly forbids campaign actives, including handing out "food or drink" within 150ft of a polling place. OMG! They won't let people have water!!!! The humanity!!!! Save us!!
But they cutoff the rest of this section, from the very same page.
The rest states, "this section shall not prohibit a poll officer from making available self-service water to electors waiting in line."
On THE VERY SAME F'IN PAGE the law says people waiting can be given WATER!
But the media intentionally removed that part. They're all so full of shit it's sickening.
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It specifically says that only the poll officer is allowed to hand out food or drink. What if they don't?
And 86 degrees by itself isn't bad, but you aren't factoring in the humidity. In Colorado, we consider 24-30% humidity muggy. In the south, you're looking in the 80s or 90s. I'm in central Texas now, and it hovers ~80% humidity spring and summer, sometimes into the winter. It fucking sucks.
It specifically says that only the poll officer is allowed to hand out food or drink. What if they don't?
And 86 degrees by itself isn't bad, but you aren't factoring in the humidity. In Colorado, we consider 24-30% humidity muggy. In the south, you're looking in the 80s or 90s. I'm in central Texas now, and it hovers ~80% humidity spring and summer, sometimes into the winter. It fucking sucks.
LOL,
Standing on-line in Augusta Georgia in a pickle suit in the middle of summer (and in later years, BDU's) (Ft. Gordon) sucks.
Also, your reading comprehension sucks Ridge. It also says they can post water coolers. FFS, everyone making this about people going to die standing in line to vote. Jesus. EVERYONE carries a damn water bottle these days.
Also please tell me who doesn't have a damn ID? The assumption on the left that "minorities" aren't capable enough to secure an ID is ludicrous and racist as fuck.
Aloha_Shooter
04-07-2021, 22:43
I thought the past four years of outright lies about what Trump did or said were crazy but the mass media and corporate statements about the Georgia voting law are unbelievable (literally). Amazon is demanding IDs for workers to vote on unionization. Coke required IDs to participate in last year's shareholder meeting. CBS, ABC, and CNN "fact checks" are flat out misrepresentations at best.
Hey.
Jackie Robinson, Brooks Robinson, and Franklin Robinson just wanted to play MLB baseball.
Stop the Orioles hate.
Stop hating Brooklyn/LosAngeles Dodgers.
[flamingo]
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hollohas
04-08-2021, 06:20
And 86 degrees by itself isn't bad, but you aren't factoring in the humidity. In Colorado, we consider 24-30% humidity muggy. In the south, you're looking in the 80s or 90s. I'm in central Texas now, and it hovers ~80% humidity spring and summer, sometimes into the winter. It fucking sucks.
Oh, I know. I've sat in triple digit Texas heat and humidity for hours on end hunting hogs. But guess what...I bring water.
But let's be honest, how long are those lines in GA in the blistering summer heat and humidity for the primaries? I went ahead and looked it up. The 2020 primary was the largest turnout on record in GA and that was half the amount of people that voted in the general election. Roughly 2.3M vs 5M.
You know the summer heat/water BS is an exaggeration and made-up problem.
All Bol JacqSon Bo Jackson wanted to do is play Football and Baseball.
No Kneeling down.
No WaterBottle Gate
No Politics.
It all ended with injury. :(
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I thought the past four years of outright lies about what Trump did or said were crazy but the mass media and corporate statements about the Georgia voting law are unbelievable (literally). Amazon is demanding IDs for workers to vote on unionization. Coke required IDs to participate in last year's shareholder meeting. CBS, ABC, and CNN "fact checks" are flat out misrepresentations at best.
I wish we could have a non political watch group who could assess media bias, and x number of violations resulted in loss of protection under the 1st Amendment, but we all know that would quickly be subverted, politicized, and misused...
Singlestack
04-10-2021, 07:04
Who watches the watchers? Who determines a watch group is "non political"? I have several acquaintances who continue to maintain NPR is straight down-the-middle news. Absolutely untrue. This whole idea of basing 1st amendment protections based on claims of "disinformation" is a terrible idea from the start. It is so easy to weaponize that, as we see today.
Who watches the watchers? Who determines a watch group is "non political"? I have several acquaintances who continue to maintain NPR is straight down-the-middle news. Absolutely untrue. This whole idea of basing 1st amendment protections based on claims of "disinformation" is a terrible idea from the start. It is so easy to weaponize that, as we see today.
Yep, when journalism was subverted, we were screwed...
Aloha_Shooter
04-10-2021, 20:32
Media can lie all it wants, people need to take responsibility for themselves. Read between the lines. Don't patronize the sources that have gone way beyond bias into the realm of attempting thought control.
America's system depends on voters taking the time and effort to learn and think for themselves. Statism depends on people letting institutions do their thinking for them.
people need to take responsibility for themselves
This is the problem statement for sure, I'm not sure many here patronize the sources that are out of control - it's not the folks on a forum like this that need to wake up - it's the "woke" who need to wake up.
BPTactical
04-10-2021, 21:10
Fuck em all
Pretty sure since they have the weight and might of Government, we're fucked.
It's like the Red Army in China, or the Khmer Rouge, in Cambodia.
It's not good for intellectuals, business owners, etc.
Never mind that their goals are to become business owners, intellectuals, etc.
What I don't understand, is why we don't stomp them out!
This is not a war we want to lose.
Our side, needs to wake up quickly, and stop fucking around
What I don't understand, is why we don't stomp them out!
This is not a war we want to lose.
Our side, needs to wake up quickly, and stop fucking around
Nuke'em till they glow and shoot'em after dark, that's what we used to say back when I was serving and full of piss and vinegar. Now, I'm a lot older, maybe a little bit wiser, and I realize this - if I think that same way, I end up stomping on loved ones too. Family (we can't pick our family) that I care about, despite their F-'d up views.
So, while I know I won't hesitate to do what is necessary to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of American against all enemies, foreign and domestic, the ROE isn't defined, as someone said before, we are intermixed across the nation, and there are real family and people we love who are misguided.
To me, the EASY button is "F'em" or "Stomp them out" The harder path, is to try, and try again to change "hearts and minds". Believe me, if the time comes (and I pray to God it NEVER does), you'll have wanted to have spent the time I'm talking about - we all talk tough, but living with regret and resentment ain't living...
Your children, are probably some of the people voting communist.
When I say our side needs to step it up quickly, I mean, Dad's, Mom's etc.
It's not okay to accept critical race theory courses in college.
It's not okay to promote basic income.
etc.
Your children, are probably some of the people voting communist.
When I say our side needs to step it up quickly, I mean, Dad's, Mom's etc.
It's not okay to accept critical race theory courses in college.
It's not okay to promote basic income.
etc.
I got a couple questions, but I'll go with the one least likely to rile up everyone. Why is it not okay to accept basic income?
Because Communism ( take from those that have and give to those that need) has failed already.
Your children, are probably some of the people voting communist.
I think you need to get some sleep... I'm NOT trying to make this personal, so don't go there with me.
Because Communism ( take from those that have and give to those that need) has failed already.
Our government already does that. They have for decades, a century even. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.
Each of those programs were designed to pay out, what was paid in.
Then they ballooned into what we have today. A Government severely in debt.
Each of those programs were designed to pay out, what was paid in.
Then they ballooned into what we have today. A Government severely in debt.
The very first recipient of Social Security paid in $24 in her working career. She received over $24,000 in benefits before she passed away. How is that paying out what was paid in?
Edit: I stand corrected. She paid in $24.75 and was paid out $22,888.92
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_May_Fuller
And apparently we were $24,000 in debt from the get go.
Most of the people I knew, worked for a living.
I'm 57 years old, and have paid in to social security, via taxes, my whole life. Medicare, too, I think.
Should I get money back, when I retire? Or should it go to a bum on the street?
GilpinGuy
04-11-2021, 00:52
I'm 57 years old, and have paid in to social security, via taxes, my whole life. Medicare, too, I think.
Should I get money back, when I retire? Or should it go to a bum on the street?
How woke are you? It will depend on this eventually. Kind of kidding but man, if the woke morons continue to make headway, we'll see.
I'm 57 years old, and have paid in to social security, via taxes, my whole life. Medicare, too, I think.
Should I get money back, when I retire? Or should it go to a bum on the street?
Are you Iego?
Great-Kazoo
04-11-2021, 04:37
Fuck em all
Think we have time?
Bailey Guns
04-11-2021, 09:37
It's not okay to accept critical race theory courses in college.
It's not okay to promote basic income.
etc.
OK...considering the argument you're trying to make I have to say that's on the short list of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Basically, you want to replace the current thought police that doesn't agree with you to a different thought police that does agree with you. Which means exactly nothing changes.
Under our current system and Constitution... I'm just dying for you to explain to me why it's not OK for someone in this country to believe or to promote critical race theory or that a universal basic income isn't OK. Please...let me hear why it should be wrong for someone to believe and promote those things.
And before you come back with some knee-jerk reaction about my kids being communist, I, too, believe those things are wrong. But believing the theories are wrong is completely different than believing someone doesn't have the right to believe those things.
The "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" mentality is just as dangerous as the "let's give everyone free stuff" mentality.
And what exactly are you going to do when someone on your side decides it IS time to start "stomping out" those with different thoughts and the "stomping out" doesn't go the way you seem to think it's just naturally going to go? What are you going to do when that backfires and things get even worse? It's amazing to me that someone doesn't understand that an actual, shooting and killing war between people with different beliefs is NOT the way to solve this problem and that the chances of it going against the way you think are probably just as good as the chances it will go the way you think.
FFS...
theGinsue
04-11-2021, 10:09
And what exactly are you going to do when someone on your side decides it IS time to start "stomping out" those with different thoughts and the "stomping out" doesn't go the way you seem to think it's just naturally going to go? What are you going to do when that backfires and things get even worse? It's amazing to me that someone doesn't understand that an actual, shooting and killing war between people with different beliefs is NOT the way to solve this problem and that the chances of it going against the way you think are probably just as good as the chances it will go the way you think.
A good lesson for me in this point was what I saw under Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Muslim's believe that any non-Muslim is an "infidel", and the Koran (in parts) teaches that all infidels should be purged. Yet, time and again Sunni Muslims have attempted to wipe out Shiite Muslims (and vice versa) because "they aren't my type of Muslim. Various Christian groups have done the same. These are just religious belief differences, but we see it everywhere. We even see it amongst ourselves - some pro-gun folks differ in how they believe as to our rights and what should or shouldn't be allowed.
My point in this is that every person on Earth is different from every other person in some way or another. When we adopt the "kill 'em all" mentality to those who are different from us, where does it end? If taken to the absolute extreme (never happen, but work with me here), the end result of purging those with different ideas would leave just 1 person standing. Being the last man on Earth isn't something I fancy. Personally, I enjoy a bit of diversity in ideas - so long as everyone remains civil - which I realize isn't how the world is anymore but I can dream can't I?
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My point in this is that every person on Earth is different from every other person in some way or another. /QUOTE]
This is exactly right to me.
OK...considering the argument you're trying to make I have to say that's on the short list of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Basically, you want to replace the current thought police that doesn't agree with you to a different thought police that does agree with you. Which means exactly nothing changes.
Under our current system and Constitution... I'm just dying for you to explain to me why it's not OK for someone in this country to believe or to promote critical race theory or that a universal basic income isn't OK. Please...let me hear why it should be wrong for someone to believe and promote those things.
And before you come back with some knee-jerk reaction about my kids being communist, I, too, believe those things are wrong. But believing the theories are wrong is completely different than believing someone doesn't have the right to believe those things.
The "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" mentality is just as dangerous as the "let's give everyone free stuff" mentality.
And what exactly are you going to do when someone on your side decides it IS time to start "stomping out" those with different thoughts and the "stomping out" doesn't go the way you seem to think it's just naturally going to go? What are you going to do when that backfires and things get even worse? It's amazing to me that someone doesn't understand that an actual, shooting and killing war between people with different beliefs is NOT the way to solve this problem and that the chances of it going against the way you think are probably just as good as the chances it will go the way you think.
FFS...
Good post.
I've also explained to people that diversity of thought is about as important for the survival of a country as diversity in genetics is for a species. That doesn't mean every perspective is beneficial. It just means there are a variety of tests that a country faces, and there is no perspective or individual opinion that is broad enough to be the "right" one for every challenge we face. Not only that but differing viewpoints tests your own and lets you try to compensate and anticipate weaknesses.
It is likely that no two viewpoints on this planet are perfectly identical. The only universal truth is that every perspective and belief is more wrong, than right, including our own. If you pick any individual in the entire world to rule over the planet, including anyone here, they will fuck it up, some worse than others, and everyone in a different way. There is no doubt though, it would get fucked up.
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