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FoxtArt
04-09-2021, 09:30
So... is China the elephant in the room our country should be addressing?

China just launched new submarine launched April 1st: Bigger than ours, probably quieter, etc: (also bear in mind, China has more submarines than we do already, although many are currently older, that will change)

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/04/revealed-chinas-new-super-submarine-dwarfs-typhoon-class/ <---ETA: This is an elaborate april fools I fell for. See reply. The rest is accurate.

Notice the nuclear torpedoes which curiously seem very closely related to the Russian design, designed to create a massive tsunami that can roll through huge swaths of a country while also leaving radioactivity throughout. Fun. It also begs the question if Russia and China are sharing some designs.

China is also getting more aggressive, and experts in the US, including top US Brass, believes China WILL attack Taiwan within the next six years:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/china-could-invade-taiwan-in-next-six-years-top-us-admiral-warns

Also bear in mind, Taiwan has largely stopped scrambling fighters to intercept the Chinese flights over their territory because they want to stop the continued fuel expenditures for their already strapped budget.

China is also spending more on aerospace research and manufacturing in the next few years than we have historically. It would not surprise me if their fighter technology eclipses our own in a few years. They are also making gains in space.

They are also starting to beat us at the foreign investing game, using our roadmap to global manipulation and in many ways, kicking us out of certain regions through local political influence, immigration, and infrastructure investment. China is deeply embedded in the middle east, the south pacific, even south america.

Their lack of a social safety net means parents rely on kids for retirement, and thus their educational performance is significantly better than ours, because their kids are worried about getting beat half to death from their parents if they don't have perfect performance; Meanwhile many of our kids are only worried about what Charissa thinks about their shoes and when they can get stoned tonight. Generationally, they will eclipse us on technology, soon, just through sheer statistical numbers, brainpower and AI investment. They are also homogenous with strong national unity.

My 2 cents:
All our little domestic/political problems in the U.S., while significant at times, pales in comparison to the problem that China is, and especially will be. As a country, I feel we've all been bickering like kindergarteners over the equivalent of a Tickle me Elmo, oblivious to the lumbering, fat pedophile that has picked US up in his van and is driving us to his house.

Prediction: In ten years, everyone is going to be bitching about "what are we going to do about CHINA" but it will be way, way to late, and they will have long called our bluff and have free license to do whatever-the-hell-they-want worldwide without any ramification. What are we going to do, nuke them? Attack them? HAHAHA nope. That bluff is going to be called soon (< 6 years) in Taiwan.

M.A.D. is also going to go the way of the dodo in a few more years imho. It simply will cease to be a deterrent for them, because their willingness to use it is likely significantly more than ours and they will have already called our bluff on that. I doubt we get nuked, but we won't be engaging them anywhere either. Much like Russia vs. Ukraine, but on a much more significant level.

On this point at least, Romney was right when people shit on him during the Obama debates. It would've been nice if we would've been looking towards the future 8 years ago.

FoxtArt
04-09-2021, 10:17
AHAHA I reread the original article and saw they updated it. I fell for an elaborate april fools joke regarding the submarine.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...typhoon-class/

Bastards.

Still, the rest of the stuff is accurate.

newracer
04-09-2021, 10:23
I recently listened to a couple of Joe Rogan podcasts where they discussed China, we should be very concerned.

Irving
04-09-2021, 10:24
Yeah, Mike Baker and Eric Weinstein episodes come to mind.

newracer
04-09-2021, 12:15
And Jamie Metzl.

Jumpstart
04-09-2021, 17:57
Miss Trump already.

earplug
04-09-2021, 19:31
The USA will go broke spending money on stupid stuff. Military stretched around the globe consuming capital that could have been productive.
South American nations will continue to trade with China and Russia. Selling commodities and importing finished goods. A stabilized collection of African nations will become a economic growth engine.
The USA will have lost market share, lost the means of production and no longer have the capital to produce.
Look at the past great powers

Eric P
04-09-2021, 21:03
Why do you think China Joe is trying to disarm the US?

JohnnyDrama
04-10-2021, 09:26
As an April Fools joke, the authors didn't have to reach very far. It's only a matter of time. I imagine at least part of the reason the US spends so much time and money on stupid stuff is that there is no small amount of influence by China, on what is reported on. How many times have you scrolled through the headlines and thought "WTF? Why is this newsworthy?"

JohnnyDrama
04-10-2021, 09:28
Miss Trump already.

I appreciated the way he did what he could to steer the narrative with his Tweets. Not that he was always on target, but he did have a way of disrupting what the MSM wanted to focus on.

ray1970
08-02-2022, 12:49
Bump. Looks like the mainstream media says China is about to kill all of us because Pelosi pissed them off.

Does mean all of this desert camo and tan military equipment will be replaced with the more traditional woodland camouflage?

def90
08-02-2022, 18:05
One thing to keep in mind is that China as well as in general authoritarian regimes are not innovative societies. They are only able to copy others, in order to build any of this stuff they have had to resort to industrial espionage because they simply don't have the brain power to do it themselves. Authoritarian regimes do not lead to innovation or invention mindsets. They may have a lot of things that look spectacular on the outside but may be all show and no go on the inside. The current state of Russias military bears this out. Just because the claim to have a sub or aircraft carrier that has certain capabilities and looks the part does it mean that they actually have it if you know what I mean.

eddiememphis
08-02-2022, 18:50
One thing to keep in mind is that China as well as in general authoritarian regimes are not innovative societies. They are only able to copy others.

I disagree.

Are you saying anyone in China with an original idea is not allowed to bring that to market? Or not one person out of 1.5 billion has an original idea?

That is nonsense.

While the state may own and use the idea, the idea guy will be rewarded.

You stated everything China does is, "because they simply don't have the brain power to do it themselves."

That is ridiculous.

def90
08-02-2022, 23:13
I disagree.

Are you saying anyone in China with an original idea is not allowed to bring that to market? Or not one person out of 1.5 billion has an original idea?

That is nonsense.

While the state may own and use the idea, the idea guy will be rewarded.

You stated everything China does is, "because they simply don't have the brain power to do it themselves."

That is ridiculous.

What was the last great innovative technology, scientific breakthrough or product that came from China?

Remember back in the early 2000's when there was a wave of Indian students coming to the US for computer and engineering degrees and India was going to be the next tech power house? Well what happened is most of them went home with masters degrees and PHD's and became tech support guys as the caste system in India does not allow a subordinate to outshine a superior. The ones that were truly smart and had it going on figured out how to stay in the US.

As for China, all of the students here right now are for the most part first generation students or white collar workers. They all grew up with parents that know nothing but authoritarianism and they themselves grew up in the same system. They are smart enough to get in to a US college that is trying to fill a certain quota but most of them will go home just learning how to do what we have been doing for decades, few of them understand the concept of free thinking and of creating something new.

Russia is the same, look at the leaps in technology that every country took in WW2.. except for Russia, of all the countries involved in the conflict Russia trailed behind everyone else. Russia never developed an advanced heavy bomber, they took B29's that crash landed in Russia and reverse engineered them as the Tupolev TU-4. Russia flew them in to the 60's and China retired it's last TU-4 in 1988, 36 years after we first flew the B52..

The US failed in Afghanistan and Iraq for similar reasons.. you can't give Freedom and Liberty to a populace that simply doesn't understand what it means. Look at the current polls coming out of Russia showing the large numbers of people that yearn for the old days of the USSR. These are people that lived through authoritarianism and that is all they knew, in a capitalist society they are not able to succeed simply because they don't understand it.

It's the reason why the rest of the world holds the value of the dollar as a trade and investment value as high as they do despite our massive debt and other issues. It's why all of the calls for the demise of the petrodollar have never come to fruition. The US is the most highly innovative nation and society in the world.

There is plenty of reading out there on this issue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/02/13/why-the-rise-of-authoritarianism-is-a-global-catastrophe/

Little Dutch
08-03-2022, 06:44
Maybe not new inventions, but China and Russia both are doing some scary things with their improvements to existing missile tech. The articles don't deep dive, but the unclass stuff hits the surface anyway.

https://astronomy.com/news/2021/11/how-does-chinas-hypersonic-glide-vehicle-work

Just an example. If you start digging there's a lot going on. Note that every article mentions China, Russia, and the U.S.

ETA: the point is, even if everything said above is true and neither country truly invents new tech, they are both still dangerous. And Russia isn't quite the bumbling incompetent military the msm has been telling us they are for the past year.

battlemidget
08-03-2022, 07:37
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat

Check out that page, all public. It's got a quote from the boss, wanted posters, security alerts, counter-intel briefs, a news aggregator feed.

eddiememphis
08-03-2022, 08:09
“There is no such thing as a new idea. It is impossible. We simply take a lot of old ideas and put them into a sort of mental kaleidoscope. We give them a turn and they make new and curious combinations. We keep on turning and making new combinations indefinitely; but they are the same old pieces of colored glass that have been in use through all the ages.”

Mark Twain

FoxtArt
08-03-2022, 18:07
If we were talking about creative design in woke LGBTBBQ NFT collections, then I'd agree, we suffer no competition from China.

But as far as academic output, industrial output, and military output, we're in trouble. China's biggest problem is inversion, youth unemployment of around 20% from there being too many highly educated workers. That sources from investing so much money and societal pressure on education that their educated youth outpaces jobs, and nobody wants the factory work. And their education system is highly competative. Their work schedule is often the 614. Fourteen hours a day, six days a week. They can treat their employees like trash because there is a dozen more high-skilled workers to replace them.

Here, we have no shortage of high skilled tech jobs because we have no shortage of youth who've flushed their brains away.

Here, our news pumps stories about how a 4 hour/day workweek will harsh your mellow, what flavor of weed pairs best with a couch on the street, and when the next stimmy check will be here. Acadamia no longer favors the west, at least not the US. Even artwork has devolved into things like throwing a pickle from a McDonalds cheeseburger. We're now a minimal effort society for much of the youngest generations, not an American dream.