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I'm currently pot committed with Ryobi, as I currently have at least 11 Ryobi branded tools, 2 charges, probably 6 batteries, etc. I burned up my Sawzall the other day, and want a second grinder, as well as a 1/2" high torque impact. So I'm thinking about transitioning to something a little better. They've served me well for all these years, but they aren't perfect and certainly aren't quite contractor grade.
Every time I've used my buddy's Makita stuff, I've noticed that his tools are twice as quiet a mine, but other than that, I've never used anything that blew me away. For example, you can run his radial arm saw without ear pro and not feel like your hurting yourself, where as when I pull mine out, the headphones are a mandatory accessory. What do you like and why?
Related: there is a YouTube channel called the Torque Test channel that tests the torque of tools had to head and is enlightening. I'll be watching some of that to see what is holding up to advertising claims as well. They did a torque test using 15" of extensions on an impact and found that you get HALF the rated torque with that much extension. Good channel.
BPTactical
04-20-2021, 19:39
DeWalt 20vMax or nothing IMO.
Dewalt has definitely been around and doesn't look like they are going anywhere. I have a Dewalt portaband already as well, even though I kind of hate it.
fitterjohn
04-20-2021, 19:56
Gotta go with Milwaukee, tired to stick with Mikita but had to make the change and I am so glad I did. Use I fuel potraband and fuel ratchet almost daily
encorehunter
04-20-2021, 20:26
I have used Dewalt for a lot of years. I built a house with my 18v set, then worked on a few more. They have mostly burned up now, and I have a couple of the 20v coversions to run them on 20v batteries. All but my 18v grinder are retired now, and I have moved to 20v. I have burned up 1 20v drill so far, one impact driver is on its last legs in about 5 years. Please know, I use them a lot. The impact has driven several 25lb boxes of 1 5/8, 2", 3" and 4" screws. The impact started having issues driving 6" 1/2" lag bolts for the barn doors.
JohnnyEgo
04-20-2021, 20:32
I swapped to all Milwaukee M12 and M18 about a decade ago, and have never looked back. When it's time to replace the battery, the new batteries are always readily available and better than they were in the previous generation. Been very happy.
Milwaukee.
I miss the 28 volt series they had before they where bought out by which ever Hong Kong based company that currently owns them.
For the prosumer level pick a battery and stick with it
whitewalrus
04-20-2021, 20:51
Dewalt or Milwaukee.
Either or should be good for you.
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Milwaukee 12V/18V. You can find deals on batteries around holidays and fathers day.
Since I picked up the 18v Sawzall, I've not used my corded recip saws. It's been 3+ years.
leightoncash
04-20-2021, 21:27
All the Pro brands make excellent stuff, so I'd go with the brand you can get most easily. Which for most people means brands home depot carries, instead of Bosch or Festool. I have used all of them and I think Dewalt has great ergos. You can find new tool-only ridgid tools on eBay for dirt cheap. Get the batteries on sale and you are set up well for cheap.
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DeWalt 20vMax or nothing IMO.
My company has an employee rewards program where people can award you points for various crap. Then you can buy all sorts of products on a special website. I've used points to buy a few DeWalt 20v Max tools (impact wrench, driver & drill) and they are great. Have a few more points added to the hopper recently . . . might have to pick up something new (eyeballing a sawzall).
Thanks for all the input so far. Now that I'm not on mobile, I can flesh out some more of my dislikes of what I currently have.
-The first Ryobi drill that let out the smoke was when my dad put all his weight on the drill using a 4" hole saw through my roof. I saw that one coming.
-Recently, I was using my trusty sawzall with a 12" blade to cut up a tree limb and that let out the smoke. Previous to that, no issues. I used that sawzall all the time and it probably was just getting worn out.
-I already mentioned that my 14" compound miter saw is LOUD. Also the laser never quite lined up correctly, and within the last year or so something must have bumped it because it's now at a 45 degree angle from the cut. Not a huge deal because I never used it anyway. Also, now when the blade is locked into the 0 degree position, the indicator says 1 degree. I believe I've checked it for square and I think it still more or less is square. Honestly I'm not good enough of a wood worker to tell. Or maybe I am and that explains my struggle with those Christmas boxes I built last year.
-I bought the little 12v screw driver thing thinking I could keep a regular bit on that for smaller jobs like taking apart body panels or electronics. However, there is no speed control on the trigger and I hate it.
-I've run the batteries hard enough to where they overheat, shut down like they are out of power, and won't even charge for a few hours until they cool down. That was cutting 4x4 fence posts building a shed. I think there were at least 8 of them and I probably had a dull blade. All the batteries recovered, but I never have that issue with the weedwhacker or using the drill to make 100's of pilot holes in a day. It's only ever happened with the sawzall. I'd like to avoid that issue in the future, but that might just be a generic failure due to my abuse and not a tool quality issue.
Great-Kazoo
04-21-2021, 06:26
Some of your tool issues come from overtaking them. You need tools rated for the job, then a little extra umph.
Like trying to use a little pancake compressor, to pull your front end. Will and can it work? Sure. But not as well as a larger unit.
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For cordless DeWalt and Milwaukee.. but not any DeWalt or Milwaukee, you have to bet the commercial or contractor models with the metal chucks and other parts, not the plastic chuck made for home use models..
I use DeWalt 20V for work, I work commercial low voltage so drilling a ton of holes while pulling wire and so on. I?ve stuck with DeWalt simply because I?m invested in the batteries.
Corded tools I use, Hilti and Bosch hammer drills. I have an old Milwaukee corded drill with a 3ft extension on it so that I don?t have to bend over to drill holes in bottom plates or get on a ladder to drill top plates. That thing has lasted decades.
Don?t have a ton of experience with table saws.
encorehunter
04-21-2021, 06:52
I have to 60v Dewalt table saw and I like it, but I wish it had a cord adapter as well. The 20v chop saw it really nice, it is very handy to not have to have power in an area t build a house or building. I use the 60v batteries on my saws when I am on bigger projects. I also like them for the chainsaw when I am out trimming trails for the atv/utv. The weedeater will do a large yard with a single 5 ah battery, and I dont have to mess with gas and dealing with difficult to start. My next purchase will be the 20v pole saw to trim the trees higher without having to carry the generator in the utv for power.
We've had good luck with everything but Ryobi, Crapsman and Festool. As you can imagine, we use tools hard here, many times till absolute failure. To date, we've never even had to even maintain anything from Dewalt. We use lots of Porter Cable routers (among other tools) and the most we've ever had to do was change brushes which it totally expected and routine. We have two DeWalt cordless drill from WAY back, and while the batteries are pretty tired the drills run like they are brand new. I have my first chopsaw still. It's a Makita. It's probably 25 years old now and has made millions of cuts. Still perfect.
I'm sure there are subtle differences from one brand to another, but I consider DeWalt, Makita, Milwaukee, PC, Bosch, and probably some others I can't remember to be equivalent. We do have several Rigid tools, and they appear to be top quality, too.
Ryobi and Craftsman have been junk in our experience. Both of those brands are the only tools I've ever thrown in the dumpster.
Festool is weird. Super expensive with a reputation for extreme quality. When new, they are beautiful tools with innovative features that really impress. Sadly, they're not durable enough for professional use. We've killed several very expensive sanders and an $800 vacuum. There are a few lying around in the shop, but they are just back-ups at this point.
whitewalrus
04-21-2021, 09:35
I have to 60v Dewalt table saw and I like it, but I wish it had a cord adapter as well. The 20v chop saw it really nice, it is very handy to not have to have power in an area t build a house or building. I use the 60v batteries on my saws when I am on bigger projects. I also like them for the chainsaw when I am out trimming trails for the atv/utv. The weedeater will do a large yard with a single 5 ah battery, and I dont have to mess with gas and dealing with difficult to start. My next purchase will be the 20v pole saw to trim the trees higher without having to carry the generator in the utv for power.
I have the pole saw and it?s good for trimming branches around my house.
I have some of the other 20v outdoor power equipment and it has about the same power as the smaller gas versions. I love not having to wear ear protection. Putting them down while working I don?t feel the need to rush back to it like the gas.
Also the electric company you may have might have a rebate on them, if so it?s a good way to get into the battery system.
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Keep it coming. Great input!
I do like my corded Milwaukee Sawzall. I have some garbage corded drill, but I like to use it to run my nibbler for long periods. Battery powered weedwhackers are fantastic for home use.
whitewalrus
04-21-2021, 09:41
I have no experience with them, but Rigid seems to fall in the middle and they offer lifetime service agreement even on batteries of bought with the tools.
Not sure if someone here has experience with them or their service agreement.
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I think Jer went all in on Rigid because of the battery warranty.
I went mostly Makita 35 years ago after tiring of breaking the old US made Skil and Black and Decker tools. Have never had a Makita motor fail. But as someone said, all the pro brands are very good now.
I also have a Bosch saber saw, DeWalt compound miter, Delta contractor table saw and bench grinder. Quality tools do the job better and faster and are usually good for a lifetime of use. Throwaway tools are a waste of time and money.
buffalobo
04-21-2021, 10:20
Can't go wrong with Makita( my work tools), Dewalt or Milwaukee. As long as HD is still around the Rigid brand is viable too.
As Tim K said, Porter Cable large routers are pretty much bullet proof and Festool will break your heart(and wallet).
I have run Makita for work for the last 15 yrs, typically lower priced than Milwaukee and lighter weight with comparable power and battery life.
Bosch corded jigsaws have ruled for 20+ years but others have started to catch up features.
Milwaukee corded sawzalls outperform all others.
Dewalt for portable table saws.
Cordless yard/lawn tools don't quite stand up to rural living. We stick to gas or PTO powered yard/lawn tools.
I had rigid and switched to Milwaukee after rigid refused to honor their warantee.
I have a Milwaukee corded 1/2" drill that I busted the chuck on. Took it into the Milwaukee shop on W 8th? and they fixed it FOR FREE.
Lots of Porter Cable, and the most I have had to do with those, is replace the pad on a couple of sanders.
Dewalt sliding miter saw has cut a LOT of wood, and has gone through quite a few blades, still runs like a champ.
Black and Decker is junk. IMO
Milwaukee all day every day.
Delfuego
04-21-2021, 12:57
Obi-Won-Ryobi [Ban1]
Honestly pick you favorite color, hopefully it's either Yellow or Blue...
whitewalrus
04-21-2021, 16:08
I had rigid and switched to Milwaukee after rigid refused to honor their warantee.
That?s not good to hear. They really push their LSA in advertising for their tools, guess it?s too good to be true.
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whitewalrus
04-21-2021, 16:09
My other advice would be to spend the extra money for the brushless models of the company has both. Worth it in my opinion.
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JohnnyEgo
04-21-2021, 16:12
We've had good luck with everything but Ryobi, Crapsman and Festool. As you can imagine, we use tools hard here, many times till absolute failure. To date, we've never even had to even maintain anything from Dewalt. We use lots of Porter Cable routers (among other tools) and the most we've ever had to do was change brushes which it totally expected and routine. We have two DeWalt cordless drill from WAY back, and while the batteries are pretty tired the drills run like they are brand new. I have my first chopsaw still. It's a Makita. It's probably 25 years old now and has made millions of cuts. Still perfect.
I'm sure there are subtle differences from one brand to another, but I consider DeWalt, Makita, Milwaukee, PC, Bosch, and probably some others I can't remember to be equivalent. We do have several Rigid tools, and they appear to be top quality, too.
Ryobi and Craftsman have been junk in our experience. Both of those brands are the only tools I've ever thrown in the dumpster.
Festool is weird. Super expensive with a reputation for extreme quality. When new, they are beautiful tools with innovative features that really impress. Sadly, they're not durable enough for professional use. We've killed several very expensive sanders and an $800 vacuum. There are a few lying around in the shop, but they are just back-ups at this point.
I love Festool, but I feel like they have two clearly defined markets; mobile tradesman / on-site installer, and middle class hobbyist with income to burn. I cannot imagine them in a production shop environment. I think my Kapex is as good as it gets for trim and fine work, but I can't imagine it lasting very long in a framing or rough carpentry environment, either. So I am sad, but not entirely surprised to have your experience confirm my suspicion.
eddiememphis
04-21-2021, 17:55
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DeWalt 20vMax or nothing IMO.
This.
Don't take our word for it though, go to any construction site & note how much yellow you see.
This.
Don't take our word for it though, go to any construction site & note how much yellow you see.
Did you bail on Rigid then?
Did you bail on Rigid then?
Rigid? I never had any Rigid gear that I recall. I've had Dewalt forever.
Rigid? I never had any Rigid gear that I recall. I've had Dewalt forever.
I distinctly remember you talking about the Rigid battery warranty a few years ago, probably the last time I asked this question. If you don't use it, you must have mentioned it but not actually bought in.
My other advice would be to spend the extra money for the brushless models of the company has both. Worth it in my opinion.
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This.
I distinctly remember you talking about the Rigid battery warranty a few years ago, probably the last time I asked this question. If you don't use it, you must have mentioned it but not actually bought in.
I may have been talking about the warranty in terms of you'd need to exercise it a lot but I never said I owned the gear. I've been a Dewalt snob for a couple of decades now.
leightoncash
04-21-2021, 20:39
If cordless tools were handguns:
Ryobi = hi point, Sccy
Ridgid = Ruger
Dewalt, Milwaukee = Glock
Bosch = HK
Festool = Infinity
Porter cable = Taurus
Makita = walther?
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For non-cordless tools, I like the old Porter Cable when it was still a US company owned.
I also have a few Metabo pieces, drill motors and angle grinder. The Metabo angle grinder is bomb-proof.
My wife got me a black friday special Ryobi drill and 3/8 impact combo several years ago. I've put 'em through hell.
Impact still works great, but was never designed to pull big bolts. Awesome for pulling bolts under 50 ft/lb or so.
The drill, has seen a rough life. I bent it somewhere. If I apply pressure to it, the chuck wobbles. No hard feelings, I can replace it for $40 or so.
Ryobi has a 4 mode 1/2 impact on my shopping list. From what I've seen, it's plenty powerful for anything I need to do.
I'm not a contractor, electrician, or mechanic, but I have hobbies. They work for me. Yellow is cool (my wall powered router is yellow and mills aluminum great), but yellow tools aren't generally in my budget.
Watch the torque test channel about that Ryobi 1/2" impact before you buy.
https://youtu.be/NpxHkkzxeUE
Watch the torque test channel about that Ryobi 1/2" impact before you buy.
https://youtu.be/NpxHkkzxeUE
To be quite honest, I want it to remove and replace the lugnuts on the truck and trailers. I do not expect it to do all as claimed, I'm not necessarily disassembling farm equipment
Now we're getting into another discussion, but might as well have it here. A few years ago I bought the cheapo Husky air ratchet set. I hooked it up to my air compressor and it couldn't even undo the lug nuts tightened to 105 ft/lbs. Now it just sits in my tool box. I think part of that is having a tiny, cheap, Harbor Freight (or Home Depot) air hose. One time my neighbor brought over his Aircat and larger hose, and then my Husky air impact worked better. I still forget that I even have those airtools though.
tl;dr, I also just want an electric impact that can at least bust loose lug nuts.
Now we're getting into another discussion, but might as well have it here. A few years ago I bought the cheapo Husky air ratchet set. I hooked it up to my air compressor and it couldn't even undo the lug nuts tightened to 105 ft/lbs. Now it just sits in my tool box. I think part of that is having a tiny, cheap, Harbor Freight (or Home Depot) air hose. One time my neighbor brought over his Aircat and larger hose, and then my Husky air impact worked better. I still forget that I even have those airtools though.
tl;dr, I also just want an electric impact that can at least bust loose lug nuts.
I have the same set, and want the bigger electric for the same reason.
I do believe my air lines/fittings are cheapos and undersized, which makes a difference, but expected better.
We only use the air impact after breaking stuff loose with the breaker
JohnnyEgo
04-21-2021, 23:28
I ran a mix of Dewalt, Rigid, and Makita for a long time before I replaced them all with Milwaukee. Nothing particularly wrong with any one, and some had particular strengths. The Ridgid drill I had was an oddity in that it had a 1/2" chuck with a metal gearbox, a thing I quite liked and still miss. Their battery deal is a 'lifetime service agreement', not a warranty, and requires registration of each battery shortly after purchase. And you have to go through the time and expense of shipping the dead pack off to them for replacement. Whatever you pick, there is a lot to be said for sticking with one brand with consistent batteries, even where a particular tool may be more or less optimal than something in a different line. And that is what I love about the Milwaukee system. It is not tied to a particular store; I can get the batteries at Home Depot, Bomgaars, Ace Hardware, etc... They are reasonably priced, there are plenty of capacity choices, and the prices scale for amp hours. All a plus in my book.
I have the 18v brushless impact, probably similar to the one in the video that Ryobi allegedly trounced. I have yet to encounter a nut it can't bust loose. Or at least snap off.
The Ryobi doesn't beat the Milwaukee IIRC.
So far, I think Dewalt and Milwaukee have the most votes. That works for me.
I'm pretty sure you have heard of AVE on YouTube. He may not dissect everything, but I would bet you could search any brand plus AVE on the tube and see a bit of build quality
Yeah I got turned on to him a while ago and have been watching regularly. The only one I've seen of a tool I actually have is my worm drive skill saw; then I liked it less.
It's dangerous to have a third party point stuff out to you. My neighbor commented that the fan on my welder was loud. I didn't think his was much quieter, but now running mine has been bothering me. That's the worst, especially since I love my welder.
SouthPaw
04-22-2021, 00:33
I?ve always ran Milwaukee. I?ve only had one issue with my impact driver that they covered under warranty. After using it, it would make a high pitch whine for 10-15 seconds. It never drained the battery or caused performance issues, just made a weird noise. I recently picked up a Milwaukee cordless impact and can say that were not joking when they said 1400lb/ft of ?nut busting? torque. Project farm provides some real world, un-biased information and IIRC, Milwaukee has always taken the cake. Either way, I don?t think you can wrong with DeWalt or Milwaukee.
https://youtu.be/4jxZAKk_nSk
Yeah I got turned on to him a while ago and have been watching regularly. The only one I've seen of a tool I actually have is my worm drive skill saw; then I liked it less.
It's dangerous to have a third party point stuff out to you. My neighbor commented that the fan on my welder was loud. I didn't think his was much quieter, but now running mine has been bothering me. That's the worst, especially since I love my welder.
Does your welder work? That's all that really matters.
Such is the life of cheapasses, and people that would rather spend money on other shit.
I am included in both categories
Such is the life of cheapasses, and people that would rather spend money on other shit.
Like a JD Squared 32 tube bender.
Like a JD Squared 32 tube bender.
Kinda like when I got a quote of $450ish for a cerakote job and spent well over $1k in tools... other shit
Milwalkee all the way. Great warranty and service.
Too bad that head to head video used the 1/4" Milwalkee...sort of looking for a 3/8 size review....
Black and Decker is junk. IMO
Craftsman is owned by Stanley Black and Decker.
I'm happy with my recently purchased DeWalt compact drill (20V MAX) and screwdriver and my Milwaukee Sawzall. The DeWalt 8V MAX gyro screwdriver is awesome. I use it working on computers and driving screws into walls.
laportecharlie
04-23-2021, 07:10
I had rigid and switched to Milwaukee after rigid refused to honor their warantee.
Same here. Went all Ridgid until I got jerked around on a battery replacement. Now its Milwaukee all the way. On the other hand, I have a friend that does all the tool rental and repair at a Home Depot and he said that if you know how to work the system you can end up with extra batteries. I took a pass on that.
What was Rigid doing that they weren't honoring the warranty?
They have a proprietary chip in their batteries, its crap and burns out. Cant get replacements, wont warantee it even with proof of purchase and ownership unless you know the hoops to jump thru.
With the learning curve it's easier to buy better tools
laportecharlie
04-24-2021, 06:34
A local motor shop was doing the warranty work for Ridgid in Ft Collins and there was no problem until they quit because they weren't getting paid. A shop in Greeley took over and it took six to eight weeks to get a new battery. That was two trips to Greeley and two months to get a replacement battery. Time to move on.
This conversation came up a number of years ago and I remember people were going on and on about how much better the Rigid warranty was. I warned that it wouldn't last and once the gravy train ended a lot of people were going to be left out in the cold.
I also stated that, based on the research and reviews I had seen, it was an inferior product and you would most definitely need to utilize that warranty regularly.
At the time I was getting pushed back from people whose stance was that if DeWalt was so good they would offer a similar warranty. My DeWalt gear keeps chugging along decades later like the day it was new even far outside of any warranty period. I feel bad for those that believed the marketing hype they were sold.
It sucks that some of you had to deal with the Rigid headache. That doesn't sound like a very positive ownership experience.
Bailey Guns
04-24-2021, 09:35
I like DeWalt. I've used some of my DeWalt stuff for a few pretty heavy projects (building a very large deck, for instance) but mostly it's homeowner type stuff. So, they aren't abused. I'm going on 10 years with most of my DeWalt stuff and not a single problem whatsoever.
I am starting to upgrade/add a few tools here and there, though, and find the Milwaukee stuff pretty enticing.
Bailey Guns
04-24-2021, 09:36
If cordless tools were handguns:
Ryobi = hi point, Sccy
Ridgid = Ruger
Dewalt, Milwaukee = Glock
Bosch = HK
Festool = Infinity
Porter cable = Taurus
Makita = walther?
Well that makes me wanna shit-can my Bosch router... I really liked it till I read that.
Hitachi = rossi
Used to be good until some shithole company bought them
I like DeWalt. I've used some of my DeWalt stuff for a few pretty heavy projects (building a very large deck, for instance) but mostly it's homeowner type stuff. So, they aren't abused. I'm going on 10 years with most of my DeWalt stuff and not a single problem whatsoever.
I am starting to upgrade/add a few tools here and there, though, and find the Milwaukee stuff pretty enticing.
I've used mine for quite a while to include a brief stint at a professional capacity (electrician) and I don't anticipate needing to replace any of them other than the occasional battery maybe. I saw lots of Milwaukee on the job sites as well so I certainly wouldn't throw any of those in the trash to get DeWalt if I already own them. For me, the key is buying the right ecosystem on the front end and then sticking with it since the batteries are the expensive part. You want to buy as few batteries as possible to run all your tools so whether that's Milwaukee or DeWalt you really can't go wrong. I just know that based on personal experience and what I saw in the field, DeWalt was deployed far more frequently than everything else combined.
Bailey Guns
04-24-2021, 10:03
^^ Don't disagree with that at all. I've just had the opportunity to pick up a few Milwaukee things thru that Home Depot program I'm in and they're all top notch. I find that when I have a choice between similar tools I'm reaching for the red one over the yellow one more often than not. It's not that the DeWalt stuff is bad...I'm just finding the Milwaukee stuff is that good.
This video came into my feed a few weeks ago, and this thread reminded me to watch it. Looks like you can get a battery adapter (for $20ish) for most tool options (unless you have Ryobi tools). Might ease the pain of switching over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMssklzoBAk&ab_channel=sixtyfiveford
whitewalrus
04-24-2021, 10:23
This video came into my feed a few weeks ago, and this thread reminded me to watch it. Looks like you can get a battery adapter for most tool options (unless you have Ryobi tools). Might ease the pain of switching over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMssklzoBAk&ab_channel=sixtyfiveford
And there is nothing wrong with getting into another brand or battery type if you need to. Yes it?s more expensive and doesn?t allow you to stockpile a single battery. But if you have a need to get a different brand, I wouldn?t let the fact you have to buy a new battery ruin it.
There are deals all the time on different things, so just acquire over time unless you really need it now.
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Bailey Guns
04-24-2021, 10:31
Another great YouTube channel, not necessarily tool related but sometimes, is Essential Craftsman. The guy is a wealth of information and just fun to watch.
This video came into my feed a few weeks ago, and this thread reminded me to watch it. Looks like you can get a battery adapter (for $20ish) for most tool options (unless you have Ryobi tools). Might ease the pain of switching over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMssklzoBAk&ab_channel=sixtyfiveford
The caveat to be concerned is thermal management. I haven't watched that particular video but make sure you understand how the thermal management & safety aspects work. Lots of adapters bypass these or use unregulated batteries. Best case scenario in these situations the battery will run do low that it bricks & is unrecoverable. Worst case can result in fires & such. It can be done as evidenced by an adapter I made to adapt my 20v DeWalt batteries to an older 18v B&D weed eater I got tired of rebuilding the old Ni-Cad packs on.
If cordless tools were handguns:
Ryobi = hi point, Sccy
Ridgid = Ruger
Dewalt, Milwaukee = Glock
Bosch = HK
Festool = Infinity
Porter cable = Taurus
Makita = walther?
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I think me and my Walthers are offended. When you talk about Walther, there's 2 different sides. There's Ulm, making the good stuff (like the P99 and PPQ) . Then there's Umarex/Arnsberg where they make the not so good stuff (like the P22 and P380). I would equate Ulm in the DeWalt/Milwaukee camp and Arnsberg in the Ryobi camp.
StagLefty
04-25-2021, 07:45
Another great YouTube channel, not necessarily tool related but sometimes, is Essential Craftsman. The guy is a wealth of information and just fun to watch.
Amen !!! Great guy and a wealth of personal experience.
SideShow Bob
04-25-2021, 08:55
I?ve had my DeWalt set since the late 1990?s. Yes, the 18V NiCad XRP multi-tool set with the huge blow molded plastic case.
Hard construction use on the hammer/drill. and saws all, occasional use on the circular saw. I have been through 3 sets of batteries, and have recently gotten a set of third party Li-Ion batteries (2) to fit the old style tools and an adaptor (DeWalt) to use the modern DeWalt factory Li-Ion batteries and 2 - 4 amp batteries.
So, I now have 4 batteries and will using this DeWalt set well into the 2020?s and maybe beyond.
So far I have noticed that both sets of batteries do not suffer from self discharging when setting unused for a few weeks, since I am not in the heavy construction aspect of my industry anymore.Yet, the in use life of the Li-Ion batteries is well beyond what the NiCads would do.
I?m sticking with my HiPoints for now. The 20 year old saw all still works and the drill and impact driver got replaced with the brushless versions because the battery tool set was cheaper that just the batteries.
I will have feedback on their impact wrench after I switch to summer tires.
I think for a homeowner who does infrequent projects they are more then fine. Also they offer tools that seem stupid until you use them. Two of my favorites are the tire inflator with the digital gauge and the electric weed sprayer.
Had I to do it over again I would go dewalt if I did a lot of construction. And Milwaukee if I did a ton of wrenching since they have the 12 and 18 electric wrenches.
leightoncash
04-25-2021, 10:17
I think me and my Walthers are offended. When you talk about Walther, there's 2 different sides. There's Ulm, making the good stuff (like the P99 and PPQ) . Then there's Umarex/Arnsberg where they make the not so good stuff (like the P22 and P380). I would equate Ulm in the DeWalt/Milwaukee camp and Arnsberg in the Ryobi camp.Actually, the new Makita cordless worm drive saw is the best of the best. And, while not cordless, their 15A Sawzall is a beast, easily better than the Milwaukee.
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whitewalrus
04-25-2021, 10:54
Actually, the new Makita cordless worm drive saw is the best of the best. And, while not cordless, their 15A Sawzall is a beast, easily better than the Milwaukee.
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Makita does make great tools. They just aren?t as common as dewalt or Milwaukee.
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leightoncash
04-25-2021, 10:59
Makita does make great tools. They just aren?t as common as dewalt or Milwaukee.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkKinda like Walthers!
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