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.455_Hunter
05-13-2021, 09:22
THIS IS A SERIOUS THREAD!

No snide comments or input from ex-residents on why they moved, etc.

Which state legislative Democrats are somewhat favorable to firearms ownership and concealed carry?

I know during media coverage of debate on safe storage, at least two D reps or senators were quoted on personally having carry permits and still supporting the bill. I also remember a recent quote from a Pueblo area D legislative member about the importance of firearms ownership.

Let's try to get a list going. I will also contact a reliable 2A R member for info.

THIS IS IMPORTANT!

Thanks!

Gman
05-13-2021, 17:24
LIKE

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-01-2021, 18:14
Reply so hopefully someone can respond. Is it just me or is RMGO not around any more?

mb504
06-02-2021, 09:28
Reply so hopefully someone can respond. Is it just me or is RMGO not around any more?

Maybe Dudley decided something else would make him more money?


Does the Colorado State Shooting Assn (https://www.cssa.org/) have any lobbyists?

Great-Kazoo
06-02-2021, 12:45
Maybe Dudley decided something else would make him more money?


Does the Colorado State Shooting Assn (https://www.cssa.org/) have any lobbyists?

From the blurb i saw. He stepped down.

def90
06-03-2021, 06:43
Well, the last in line is the governor, he has vetoed a few bills so far, one of them a law that would allow the Lt Governor to run for multiple offices at the same time and a few others that would have regulated additional businesses. Based on his veto and his reasoning for it on the LtGovernor bill there is a tiny bit of hope that he understands that this bill would induce chaos across the state.

O2HeN2
06-03-2021, 11:56
Is there going to be a hearing on this bill where the public can speak?

Or, even better, is there a site which shows when bills in general can be addressed by the public?

O2

wctriumph
06-03-2021, 12:15
I have sent the emails and left the voicemails politely asking for this bill to be dropped and not signed into law. Pretty much all I can do for now.

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-04-2021, 20:05
Is Polis our only hope? Or are there some senators or reps that we could peel off? I saw a video with caldera they made it seem like this was a pre-ordained deal for me the beginning of the year. All is a way to avoid a big fight over a state wide assault weapons ban.

arbol
06-04-2021, 20:12
It really doesn't matter, as we have the right to keep and bear arms.

.455_Hunter
06-04-2021, 20:45
I have received zero response on my queries to state legislators and CSSA concerning who to lobby. The fact that it passed out of committee is not surprising since the sponsor is the Senate leader and gets to pick the committee it is sent to.

def90
06-05-2021, 06:12
The problem is that you have to lobby your own representative, if you are not a constituent of the senator you are contacting they will just trash your response anyway. It is obvious which way my representatives lean, last time I tried to send them something via their published representatives email addresses my message came back as undeliverable, so it’s a waste of time for me, my only hope is that Polis somehow has a moment of clarity and realizes the shit show this bill will produce.

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-06-2021, 02:24
I guess it is off to Polis' desk... What a crappy law. While I never voted for Polis, I thought he wasn't a sleazebag like Chickenlooper and wasn't your usual pol. If he wants to felate Bloomberg, go ahead.

eddiememphis
06-06-2021, 12:33
https://leg.colorado.gov/content/sb21-256vote718c0e

Link to the vote

def90
06-06-2021, 17:02
Don’t think it has gone to vote in the senate yet but I’m sure it will pass there as well.

eddiememphis
06-07-2021, 17:59
Don’t think it has gone to vote in the senate yet but I’m sure it will pass there as well.

https://www.coloradopolitics.com/legislature/bill-allowing-local-governments-to-pass-stricter-gun-laws-clears-legislature-heads-to-polis-desk/article_acc1dbce-c4b2-11eb-8461-bb1d846a5b17.html

It passed Thursday and is headed to the Governor for signing.

.455_Hunter
06-07-2021, 18:12
The media vacuum (intentional?) on this bill is amazing. My coworker is an avid shooter and new nothing of it.

If signed into law, I expect every urban city will copy Boulder's AWB and >10 mag ban within 3 months. 99% of your mag stash illegal overnight- no grandfathering, no exemptions. Your may be able to register existing weapon to keep them, for a fee. Anything is on the table.

Concealed carry will be eliminated in almost all metro city/county owned buildings, parks, trails, open space, public corridors (16th Street Mall) and RTD. Say bye-bye to legal carry on CU/CSU property. Only way to avoid violating something is to leave it at home or locked in your car.

Certain counties will revive or expand limitations for safe shooting on private property.

Age of firearms possession raised to 21 or 25 or 30 in local areas. Why not?

This wall of suck is unprecedented.

Hummer
06-07-2021, 20:20
Would some of you please include detailed talking points so that we can address the governor directly with every important reason to veto the bill.

We tried with Hickenlooper and the magazine limit bill but Polis may be more open to govern responsibly, and more motivated to get reelected.

def90
06-08-2021, 06:25
Anyone know what the one amendment was that was put forth by republicans and was approved?

def90
06-08-2021, 06:27
Would some of you please include detailed talking points so that we can address the governor directly with every important reason to veto the bill.

We tried with Hickenlooper and the magazine limit bill but Polis may be more open to govern responsibly, and more motivated to get reelected.

I think just the patchwork of different laws throughout the state would be enough. And even if cities pass laws saying that you are exempt if just passing through how the hell do you police or enforce that? What a shit show.

Rucker61
06-08-2021, 06:28
I think just the patchwork of different laws throughout the state would be enough. And even if cities pass laws saying that you are exempt if just passing through how the hell do you police or enforce that? What a shit show.

At least the criminals won't carry where they aren't supposed to, so we will be safer /s

.455_Hunter
06-08-2021, 09:26
Would some of you please include detailed talking points so that we can address the governor directly with every important reason to veto the bill.

We tried with Hickenlooper and the magazine limit bill but Polis may be more open to govern responsibly, and more motivated to get reelected.

My key points:

Hypocrisy- What is gun control the only thing that should be amended to allow for increased local regulations? If a community so desires, they should be able to restrict other activities such as abortion services or drug possession.

Justification- The Colorado CCW program has been a national model of success for 18 years. What is justification for eviscerating it by allowing byzantine local restrictions? What is the evidence showing a massive violent crime wave committed by the 500K+ Colorado issued permit holders?

Impact- This allowed Balkanization could negatively impact the civil rights and legally held property of roughly 2 million responsible citizens in Colorado, supposedly justified by the actions of a few criminals.

def90
06-08-2021, 12:56
Governors front desk phone number if you would like to leave a simple message asking to veto this bill. Just simply say that you are against SB21-256 and request that the gov veto this bill, no need to say any more or less than that.

(303) 866-2471

You can also go here:

https://www.colorado.gov/governor/share-comments

Select "I want to share my comments", select "Governor", Select Legislation, enter the bill number, select "Disapprove", enter a statement that you disapprove of this bill, don't waste time writing a diatribe, they really just tally the agree/disagree numbers, hit send.

beast556
06-08-2021, 15:04
Called and emailed, pretty sure he is not gonna veto this.

WETWRKS
06-09-2021, 21:58
Doubt it will do much good but I did send a message.

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-10-2021, 14:43
I can?t see him veto it, but he can just pocket it, right? That?s the only chance.

They also passed some anti plastics bill with the same kind of pre-emption language. So Colorado is becoming Balkanized a number of different ways.

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-11-2021, 18:50
How long does he have to sign it? My guess he does it tonight or when it won’t make as much news. The other stuff makes headlines, this isn’t that popular and you have to explain it.

Great-Kazoo
06-11-2021, 20:38
How long does he have to sign it? My guess he does it tonight or when it won’t make as much news. The other stuff makes headlines, this isn’t that popular and you have to explain it.

Friday is always the best time to sign unpopular legislation. He can not sign it, which will also make it law. Showing his "support" for gun rights.


As long as they conform to democrat mantra.

Hummer
06-12-2021, 09:28
Thanks to all for your input. I have written to the Guv and asked that he veto the bill.

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-13-2021, 13:04
Are we getting pretty close to the 10 days? I thought we had the pocket veto here in Colorado. Which would’ve been an elegant way for him to get out of it. But if he doesn’t sign in and still becomes law that’s like being a little bit pregnant. It’s actually worse from a leadership standpoint. You don’t agree with the law but you’ll still let it go into effect. Knowing that it’s not a very good law.

.455_Hunter
06-13-2021, 15:58
Clear as mud...

https://legisource.net/2020/06/12/how-long-does-the-governor-have-to-take-action-on-a-bill/


In other words, if the General Assembly delivers a bill to the governor, and there are 10 or more days left in the session, then the governor only has 10 days to sign or veto the bill. If he doesn’t act within that time, the bill automatically becomes law without his signature. If the General Assembly delivers a bill to the governor when there are fewer than 10 days left in the session or after they have adjourned sine die, then the governor has 30 days after the date of adjournment sine die to act on the bill or the bill automatically becomes law without his signature.

Irving
06-13-2021, 16:03
Seems pretty clear. If he doesn't veto, it becomes law in either case.

Eric P
06-13-2021, 18:19
Hmm I see a new ballot initiative.

A bill must be signed to become law. Unsigned bills are effectively vetoed after the above mentioned time limits.

Make the governor accountable for all enacted laws. Fvck this cowardly approval method.

Irving
06-13-2021, 18:25
Yeah that seems like a better way all around. If stuff can be signed into law without oversight, then what's the point of the governor?

O2HeN2
06-15-2021, 14:22
He's gonna sit back and allow it to become law, I'm sure. Then he'll twist that somehow into being a pro-gun position.

O2

Irving
06-15-2021, 14:26
There is such a thing as a public official performance bond. How come we never hear about them being paid out when our public officials don't perform as expected? Like when Hickenlooper said he accidentally voted for the anti-gun bills or whatever.

Great-Kazoo
06-15-2021, 21:22
There is such a thing as a public official performance bond. How come we never hear about them being paid out when our public officials don't perform as expected? Like when Hickenlooper said he accidentally voted for the anti-gun bills or whatever.

Because, as long as peoples cell phones and internet work. They have no reason to get involved. You lose the internet and see what happens.
But, no one cares, those that do are in the minority and don't have the $$ to get a ballot initiative going. Throw in CO is heavily blue, it will never happen.

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-17-2021, 13:40
He's gonna sit back and allow it to become law, I'm sure. Then he'll twist that somehow into being a pro-gun position.

O2

Letting this become law and claiming anything but being a gun grabber, is like standing and watching someone be raped, doing nothing about it, and claiming you are pro-abstinence.

def90
06-18-2021, 17:54
So, it seems as though the Colorado general assembly adjourned pretty much right after passing this bill, from what I have read it sounds like Polis then has 30 days to either sign the bill, veto the bill, or allow the bill to become law by doing nothing vs the 10 day deadline if the assembly was in session.

https://legisource.net/2020/06/12/how-long-does-the-governor-have-to-take-action-on-a-bill/

So July 3rd should be the deadline?

def90
06-19-2021, 13:43
Well.. he just signed it.

Eric P
06-19-2021, 13:53
Lots of non compliance coming because you cross an imaginary line while minding your own business.

.455_Hunter
06-19-2021, 14:22
Bets on assault weapon, >10 Rd mag, and concealed carry bans in almost every major incorporated area by Dec 31st?

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-20-2021, 00:20
I really don't know where this will go. Am I right that counties can't blanket outlaw CCW, but they could prohibit it on public land, like parks? Make it so that you can't have it in a car on public school ground?

On an AWB, who knows where that will go- as they try to virtue signal as to who is most anti-gun. I see Boulder re-doing theirs, and then Denver or others going one worse to get worst banana award.

Crime and violence is going through the roof and the answer is to disarm the most law abiding people. Literally crazy.

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-20-2021, 00:22
Lots of non compliance coming because you cross an imaginary line while minding your own business.

In the TheDEnverChannel article I read, there was some kind of mention that you have to know you are breaking the local law??? So if I stop watching the news and dumb this bad habit of a website, I'm good to go?

def90
06-20-2021, 07:01
In the TheDEnverChannel article I read, there was some kind of mention that you have to know you are breaking the local law??? So if I stop watching the news and dumb this bad habit of a website, I'm good to go?

What that means is that they will not press charges but they will likely hold on to your firearms in perpetuity in the name of safety. I think that’s how it has worked in Denver since they have had their law. Little to no people ever charged but a lot of people with confiscated firearms.

Great-Kazoo
06-20-2021, 09:30
In the TheDEnverChannel article I read, there was some kind of mention that you have to know you are breaking the local law??? So if I stop watching the news and dumb this bad habit of a website, I'm good to go?

The way the law works. You're told, Ignorance is no excuse.

FoxtArt
06-20-2021, 13:43
The way the law works. You're told, Ignorance is no excuse.

+1. Even when they have written e.g. "reasonably should have known" such as here, it will always be interpreted that you reasonably should have known.

If someone wants to see you successfully prosecuted (especially if they are a judge), there is no actual loophole.