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DenverGP
05-17-2021, 14:01
Supreme Court rules 9-0 police cannot abuse 4th amendment & seize guns from home without warrant

CANIGLIA v. STROM ET AL.

Details on the case itself:


During an argument with his wife, petitioner Edward Caniglia placed a handgun on the dining room table and asked his wife to 'shoot him and get it over with'. His wife instead left the home and spent the night at a hotel. The next morning, she was unable to reach her husband by phone, so she called the police to request a welfare check. The responding officers accompanied Caniglia's wife to the home, where they encountered Caniglia on the porch. The officers called an ambulance based on the belief that Caniglia posed a risk to himself or others. Caniglia agreed to go to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation on the condition that the officers not confiscate his firearms. But once Caniglia left, the officers located and seized his weapons. Caniglia sued, claiming that the officers had entered his home and seized him and his firearms without a warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment. The District Court granted summary judgment to the officers. The First Circuit affirmed, extrapolating from the Court?s decision in Cady v. Dombrowski, 413 U. S. 433, a theory that the officers? removal of Caniglia and his firearms from his home was justified by a ?community caretaking exception? to the warrant requirement.



Ruling:


Held: Neither the holding nor logic of Cady justifies such warrantless searches and seizures in the home. Cady held that a warrantless search of an impounded vehicle for an unsecured firearm did not violate the Fourth Amendment. In reaching this conclusion, the Court noted that the officers who patrol the ?public highways? are often called to discharge noncriminal ?community caretaking functions,? such as responding to disabled vehicles or investigating accidents. 413 U. S., at 441. But searches of vehicles and homes are constitutionally different, as the Cady opinion repeatedly stressed. Id., at 439, 440? 442. The very core of the Fourth Amendment?s guarantee is the right of a person to retreat into his or her home and ?there be free from un-reasonable governmental intrusion.? Florida v. Jardines, 569 U. S. 1, 6. A recognition of the existence of ?community caretaking? tasks, like rendering aid to motorists in disabled vehicles, is not an open-ended license to perform them anywhere. Pp. 3?4. 953 F. 3d 112, vacated and remanded.



https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-157_8mjp.pdf

DenverGP
05-17-2021, 14:03
From Alito's concurring opinion on this case:


Provisions of red flag laws may be challenged under the Fourth Amendment, and those cases may come before us. Our decision today does not address those issues

Zombie Steve
05-17-2021, 15:39
Unanimous decision? Over a Constitutionally protected right? Involving firearms?

I should go buy a lottery ticket.

00tec
05-17-2021, 16:03
Unanimous decision? Over a Constitutionally protected right? Involving firearms?

I should go buy a lottery ticket.

No kidding

wctriumph
05-17-2021, 16:19
I bought 3 lottery tickets!

Gman
05-17-2021, 19:03
TL;DR

Why does this not apply to red flag laws?

Hummer
05-17-2021, 19:14
It's a precursor statement for an anticipated future case that may have relevance but that it wasn't the case they were deciding. It's a nuanced suggestion that the Supremes may parse the meaning of the fourth amendment in a red flag case.

DenverGP
05-17-2021, 19:47
TL;DR

Why does this not apply to red flag laws?

I suspect because red flag laws involve a judge signing a warrant to seize firearms...

Gman
05-17-2021, 20:07
I suspect because red flag laws involve a judge signing a warrant to seize firearms...
The judge isn't expressly signing a "warrant" from everything I've read so far. There is no allegation of crime nor is there a requirement for probable cause.

They may be trying to keep this in a 4th Amendment context. Red Flag laws really seem to violate due process and the confrontation clause of the 6th Amendment, IMO.