Gun grabbing irony in NY

[Aloha_Shooter]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/20/lovely-warren-rochester-mayor-husband-timothy-gran/

What really amazes me is that self-serving scum like Ms. Warren continue to get elected. I have no doubt she'll be re-elected next month, arrests not withstanding. Cuomo probably wouldn't even have allowed the raid or arrest if he wasn't distracted with his own scandal. Rules for thee but not for me indeed.

[clodhopper]

Police found cocaine inside Mr. Granison’s car and then executed a search at the Warren-Granison home and several other locations, the paper reported. Those searches found almost 4? pounds of cocaine and crack, three firearms, a semi-automatic rifle and more than $100,000 cash, the paper quoted Monroe County District Attorney Sandra Doorley as saying Thursday.

Certainly he wasnt distributing. That sure is a lot for personal use. No way Lovely would have known anything about any of it either. She is the Mayor after all.

[Eric P]

Still should not be crime...

[Gman]

Still should not be crime...

Which part? The drugs, or convicted felon with guns?

[Fentonite]

4 1/2 pounds of cocaine? That's not small time.

[Ah Pook]

4 1/2 pounds of cocaine? That's not small time.
Says the poster whose dog who has a coke problem. [Coffee]

[Alpha2]

She probably ran as the "law and order" candidate. "Elect me, and I'll clean up this town!"

[Eric P]

Which part? The drugs, or convicted felon with guns?

Drugs. Why should gubment have any say on consumables.

[Sawin]

And why isn’t this making the MSM headlines? I hope she gets locked up too.

[Bailey Guns]

Drugs. Why should gubment have any say on consumables.

So your 14 year old kid should be able to buy packets of heroin, cocaine and fentanyl at Wal-Mart?

[fitz19d]

So your 14 year old kid should be able to buy packets of heroin, cocaine and fentanyl at Wal-Mart?

Always a nice reminder there's fringe goofballs in the midst of us.

[Eric P]

So your 14 year old kid should be able to buy packets of heroin, cocaine and fentanyl at Wal-Mart?

No, but an adult should. 18+ or whatever and adult is these days.

Why should you go to jail for using? Regulate them like alcohol.

And for the record, I haven't done nor have any desire to try drugs.

[Fentonite]

Says the poster whose dog who has a coke problem. [Coffee]

It?s expensive to feed his habit!

[fitz19d]

https://vidmax.com/video/204495-tweaker-walks-into-a-walmart-causes-complete-chaos-and-destruction

Good example why it's in the public interest to not let people just consume whatever. A nationwide weed legalization I wouldn't be that strongly against but there is other stuff that can't be safely taken, and if it only affected you whatever. But tweakers destroy other people's lives and property. Even if they somehow keep to themselves, you rarely see functional people on harder stuff, and when you are hooked but can't keep a good paying job, you feed it somehow.


War on weed and a few other things has been kinda a mistake, but Ive also seen first hand that at least half of folk in jail are at least tangentially related to drugs, be it provoking the crime, or in the pursuit of paying for it.

[SideShow Bob]

“Mr. Granison faces three felony counts — two of drug possession and one of illegal firearm possession. He has pleaded not guilty and was released on his own recognizance.”

If this was any one else, we would have a bond set so high we would have a better chance of going to Mars......

[FoxtArt]

https://vidmax.com/video/204495-tweaker-walks-into-a-walmart-causes-complete-chaos-and-destruction

Good example why it's in the public interest to not let people just consume whatever. A nationwide weed legalization I wouldn't be that strongly against but there is other stuff that can't be safely taken, and if it only affected you whatever. But tweakers destroy other people's lives and property. Even if they somehow keep to themselves, you rarely see functional people on harder stuff, and when you are hooked but can't keep a good paying job, you feed it somehow.


War on weed and a few other things has been kinda a mistake, but Ive also seen first hand that at least half of folk in jail are at least tangentially related to drugs, be it provoking the crime, or in the pursuit of paying for it.

Yup. The true libertarian belief that drug problems will magically fix themselves and stabilize is as utopic as the socialistic progressive viewpoints on economy (irresponsible people will just OD and rainbows will erupt from the corpses as only responsible people will be alive to do drugs!).

Contrary to the advertising we've seen, many addicts can live through a TON of shit, for up to decades. Including on the heaviest of drugs, meth, etc. And they are not always immediately recognizable as media would have us believe. Some continue to have jobs and "families". It isn't just "their problem", the societal cost is borne by all. Their kids, their neighbors, stores, shops, transients, property values, family members, tremendous ongoing medical costs, unwanted/abused children, crime victims, wasted tax $ to "programs", etc. The societal cost of one addict far exceeds the complete GDP of one productive person imho, even more so when factoring generational consequences. And even with unlimited access, the truth is the majority would continue to linger on this earth. Especially more so now with modern medicine (Narcan, etc.).

If would be nice if it just darwined itself out of the gene pool but human society doesn't work that way, if anything it works in reverse (idiocracy).

[rondog]

Yup. The true libertarian belief that drug problems will magically fix themselves and stabilize is as utopic as the socialistic progressive viewpoints on economy (irresponsible people will just OD and rainbows will erupt from the corpses as only responsible people will be alive to do drugs!).

Contrary to the advertising we've seen, many addicts can live through a TON of shit, for up to decades. Including on the heaviest of drugs, meth, etc. And they are not always immediately recognizable as media would have us believe. Some continue to have jobs and "families". It isn't just "their problem", the societal cost is borne by all. Their kids, their neighbors, stores, shops, transients, property values, family members, tremendous ongoing medical costs, unwanted/abused children, crime victims, wasted tax $ to "programs", etc. The societal cost of one addict far exceeds the complete GDP of one productive person imho, even more so when factoring generational consequences. And even with unlimited access, the truth is the majority would continue to linger on this earth. Especially more so now with modern medicine (Narcan, etc.).

If would be nice if it just darwined itself out of the gene pool but human society doesn't work that way, if anything it works in reverse (idiocracy).

True, my stepdaughter is a prime example. How someone can be an active heroin and downer addict for 25 years and not die is beyond me. She sure SHOULD have died more times than I can count. Just loves to sit on the edge of the abyss and dangle her legs over the edge.

[leightoncash]

I'm proudly libertarian, but the hard drugs issue is a tough one. The government has no business telling people what to consume, whether it is drugs or XL energy drinks loaded with caffeine and a pound of sugar. Both will kill you eventually. And there are laws against walking into Walmart and trashing the place. I'm sure more damage has been done to businesses by drunks than tweaker.
At the same time, selling hard drugs is a lot like selling poison. It hurts other people (and not in the way a Big Gulp of soda hurts) which is usually the line in the sand for libertarians. I don't want my teenage sons to turn 18 and be able to walk into a store in Denver and buy something like heroin or meth. Its already easy enough for them to get marijuana if they were seeking it.

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