Texas about to get Constitutional carry

[68Charger]

https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=87R&Bill=HB1927

signed in both Senate and House- Gov has said earlier this year he will sign it.

[00tec]

Wonder when it will go into effect. Would be neat to carry while I'm here.

[00tec]

Wonder when it will go into effect. Would be neat to carry while I'm here.

Damn. Effective 9/1

[Irving]

Can't you already carry there?

I guess every time I've been I've flown so I didn't carry.

[68Charger]

Can't you already carry there?

I guess every time I've been I've flown so I didn't carry.

I have an LTC, so I can... but no, one of the travesties of Texas justice is that you need an LTC to even Open carry in public... but this CC will make open and concealed carry legal unless property owner puts up specific 30.05 (permit-less prohibited) 30.06 (LTC concealed carry prohibited), or 30.07 (open carry prohibited) signs in obvious locations.

To be clear, even now (and before) it was legal to concealed or open carry on your private property- including your vehicle

[buffalobo]

Can't you already carry there?

I guess every time I've been I've flown so I didn't carry.The new bill removes permit, BGC and proficiency requirements for handguns. Similar to other states that have Constitutional carry laws.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

If by constitutional carry, unless they passed an Amendment to their constitution that would make it clear that you can?t take it away, it really means nothing. Just as we are finding out here. It?s a law that can be un-done with another law.

So, meh. Plus, I like the objective distinction between CCWer and non. Now every shooting is a CCW shooting. First ones free, the second one is illegal. When the NYC CCW case comes to SCOTUS get ready for all the shootings in these ?Constitutional Carry? states to be a CCW shooting, since no one needs a permit. CC is like OC, sure, whatever floats your boat. We need the gear to be ?sanctified? with tight, clear SCOTUS rulings or else the Constitutionally going to be carry our c***s in one hand.

[Clint45]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm8FtbXzL6k

[Bailey Guns]

If by constitutional carry, unless they passed an Amendment to their constitution that would make it clear that you can?t take it away, it really means nothing. Just as we are finding out here. It?s a law that can be un-done with another law.

So, meh. Plus, I like the objective distinction between CCWer and non. Now every shooting is a CCW shooting. First ones free, the second one is illegal. When the NYC CCW case comes to SCOTUS get ready for all the shootings in these ?Constitutional Carry? states to be a CCW shooting, since no one needs a permit. CC is like OC, sure, whatever floats your boat. We need the gear to be ?sanctified? with tight, clear SCOTUS rulings or else the Constitutionally going to be carry our c***s in one hand.

WTF are you even trying to say here because I can't make heads or tails out of it?

Some people just can't see the good in anything, I guess. SMH...

Anyway, regardless of how horrible some people think passing new pro-gun laws are, I'm very pleased to see the Oklahoma legislature just sent several pro-gun bills to the governor who has signed them:

From the NRA:


Today, the Oklahoma Legislature adjourned Sine Die from a successful legislative session for gun owners in the Sooner State. Thanks to NRA Members and Second Amendment supporters, the following pro-gun measures were signed into law:

House Bill 1630 /Senate Bill 106, sponsored by Sen. Mark Allen, and Rep. David Hardin, allows for the use of an SDA (Self Defense Act...basically it's a carry permit) license in place of a background check when purchasing a firearm.

Senate Bill 646, sponsored by Sen. Michael Bergstrom, will allow for an individual to carry a firearm in the designated bar area of a restaurant as long as that person is not consuming alcohol.

Senate Bill 672, sponsored by Sen. Casey Murdock, cleans up state law to allow for the transportation of a long gun in a motor vehicle.

House Bill 2645, sponsored by Rep. Jon Echols, prevents cities from prohibiting carry in outdoor venues without providing a certain amount of security.

Thank you to Governor Kevin Stitt, bill sponsors, and pro-gun legislators for helping to get these measures through the legislature and enacted. Stay-tuned to NRA-ILA Alerts for more information and updates about Second Amendment issues in Oklahoma.​


An Oklahoma SDA license is good for either 5 or 10 years. So that means fill out a 4473, pay the man, leave with gun. No more BGCs for gun purchases.

[arbol]

We're supposed to have the right to keep and bear arms.

[Bailey Guns]

We're supposed to have the right to keep and bear arms.

You can't have guns where you live? Did someone take them from you?

[Great-Kazoo]

WTF are you even trying to say here because I can't make heads or tails out of it?

Some people just can't see the good in anything, I guess. SMH...

Anyway, regardless of how horrible some people think passing new pro-gun laws are, I'm very pleased to see the Oklahoma legislature just sent several pro-gun bills to the governor who has signed them:

From the NRA:




An Oklahoma SDA license is good for either 5 or 10 years. So that means fill out a 4473, pay the man, leave with gun. No more BGCs for gun purchases.

Good for OK. I really like AZ's No BGC for permit holders, as well as ftf transactions.

[Gman]

We're supposed to have the right to keep and bear arms.

Nailed it. It's a right. We shouldn't have to ask for permission.

[Bailey Guns]

Well, few, if any, Constitutional rights are absolute. We know that to be true. But platitudes and bumper sticker slogans like "we're supposed to have the right to keep and bear arms" add nothing to the discussion because it doesn't really mean anything.

I don't know about Colorado these days, but nobody's told me I can't have a gun, or carry a gun. It's certainly not the case where I live. So when a state does something positive in terms of gun rights, that we already know are restricted, how is that a bad thing? I'll never understand why so many people let a desire for perfection get in the way of really good progress towards that perfection. It's not gonna happen overnight. A win is a win even when it's a small one. And permitless carry is NOT a small win. It was just signed into law here, too. You're sure as hell not gonna here me bitch about it.

[JohnnyDrama]

Just for fun, here is a map of Constitutional Carry counties.

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While this map doesn't reflect some of the most recent changes, I find it interesting that some places like Utah don't reflect more "green."

[Zundfolge]

I find it interesting that some places like Utah don't reflect more "green."
Most of those grey counties in Utah have literally dozens of people in them.

[JohnnyDrama]

Most of those grey counties in Utah have literally dozens of people in them.

LoL.

What's funny is that you're correct.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

WTF are you even trying to say here because I can't make heads or tails out of it?

Some people just can't see the good in anything, I guess. SMH...

Anyway, regardless of how horrible some people think passing new pro-gun laws are, I'm very pleased to see the Oklahoma legislature just sent several pro-gun bills to the governor who has signed them:

From the NRA:




An Oklahoma SDA license is good for either 5 or 10 years. So that means fill out a 4473, pay the man, leave with gun. No more BGCs for gun purchases.

Considering that Background checks here in Colorado are taking five days that Oklahoma law is a pretty good deal. Of course if you have Constitutional carry without a permit that kind of takes you back to square one on that one.

All I?m saying is on the Constitutional carry is that you passed a state law that can be reversed at any time. And it?s a solution to a problem that I don?t think exists. I don?t find getting a CCW permit to be that difficult especially here in Colorado, and I don?t mind ID laws for voting. Heck for cheaper cars I wish they had five-year registrations for cars.

Considering what we have all faced here in Colorado, and what we are facing right now, and what we know we are in for in the near future, I don?t understand why people don?t realize that just passing a law right now is not really a long term solution. It?s taking us seven years to go from a magazine ban, to a truly Balkanized set of gun laws that will make ownership and carrying extremely difficult.

But OK if you want me to be excited, I?ll be excited. Yay!

[theGinsue]

Yes, these new pro-2A laws in places like OK & TX can be reversed with a new governor and legislature. Perhaps the next step for these states is to push to make these changes fairly permanent by getting them into their state Constitution.

However, to not be excited because of the possibility that they can be reversed is short sighted. What these states have done with these new laws is to reverse some of the incremental infringements put in place over time. Just as the infringement laws were incremental, reversing those laws will need to be incremental. By nature, people are resistant to change - even when most can agree that the changes are positive. Your very own argument points out that the anti-2A laws in CO didn't happen overnight. It's taken them 8 years (2013-2021) to move from universal BGC and mag restrictions to what they'd got on the table now. Do you think we'd be able to get our gun laws reversed overnight? Without a SCOTUS ruling in our favor it won't happen.

Incrementalism can work both ways. In an environment so hell-bent on infringing on our rights after every shooting (and we truly have been seeing more of them over the last 16 months because people are going nuts), we should be thrilled when we see any degree of positive movement for our rights. Sure, we'd all like to see an immediately elimination of any law that infringes on our rights and to see these rights permanently protected with clear and irrevocable language in every state, but anyone with a sound mind knows that will never happen.

So, we have to take and enjoy the victories where we find them and use them to encourage further positive change.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm not asking you to get excited.

I understand what you're saying, I just see it from a positive outlook instead of a negative. The stronger the pro-gun laws are, the harder they'll be to overcome.

And I agree...it's fairly easy to get a permit. It's even easier to not have to get a permit and still be afforded the ability to carry. When the CCW craze started way back when there were few "shall issue" states. Now I believe the number of "Shall Issue" states sits at 42. 15 years ago there were very few states with unrestricted, or Constitutional, carry. Now it's about half or more. Colorado is an outlier in that gun laws are getting more restrictive when the trend is, and has been, more gun friendly.

So I'm always pleased when I see states become more gun friendly. There isn't a downside. None.

[Bailey Guns]

I just found this chart that is a great visual to CCW law changes since the mid-80s. And, of course, you can now put TX in the green column (it take a second to start playing...be patient). Notice TX and OK were both RED in 1986. Gun rights in terms of carry have come a LONG WAY in the last 25 years. So I just don't understand the negativity. Never will...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Right_to_Carry,_timeline.gif

[O2HeN2]

... to make these changes fairly permanent by getting them into their state Constitution.

Ain't working out for us though is it?

Yes, I understand what you're saying and I agree with you. But when judges are willing to ignore the constitution, having it in the constitution doesn't help.

O2

[UncleDave]

I heard a rumor from an 07 SOT that I know that CO is going to go live with no background checks for CHP holders. Anyone else hear this?

[Great-Kazoo]

I heard a rumor from an 07 SOT that I know that CO is going to go live with no background checks for CHP holders. Anyone else hear this?

Well they did it back in the late 90's for a short period of time. Why not, resume it?

[Clint45]

It appears far simpler to pass new laws than to overturn existing laws.


Yes, these new pro-2A laws in places like OK & TX can be reversed with a new governor and legislature. Perhaps the next step for these states is to push to make these changes fairly permanent by getting them into their state Constitution.

However, to not be excited because of the possibility that they can be reversed is short sighted. What these states have done with these new laws is to reverse some of the incremental infringements put in place over time. Just as the infringement laws were incremental, reversing those laws will need to be incremental. By nature, people are resistant to change - even when most can agree that the changes are positive. Your very own argument points out that the anti-2A laws in CO didn't happen overnight. It's taken them 8 years (2013-2021) to move from universal BGC and mag restrictions to what they'd got on the table now. Do you think we'd be able to get our gun laws reversed overnight? Without a SCOTUS ruling in our favor it won't happen.

Incrementalism can work both ways. In an environment so hell-bent on infringing on our rights after every shooting (and we truly have been seeing more of them over the last 16 months because people are going nuts), we should be thrilled when we see any degree of positive movement for our rights. Sure, we'd all like to see an immediately elimination of any law that infringes on our rights and to see these rights permanently protected with clear and irrevocable language in every state, but anyone with a sound mind knows that will never happen.

So, we have to take and enjoy the victories where we find them and use them to encourage further positive change.

[Gman]

I'm not asking you to get excited.

I understand what you're saying, I just see it from a positive outlook instead of a negative. The stronger the pro-gun laws are, the harder they'll be to overcome.

And I agree...it's fairly easy to get a permit. It's even easier to not have to get a permit and still be afforded the ability to carry. When the CCW craze started way back when there were few "shall issue" states. Now I believe the number of "Shall Issue" states sits at 42. 15 years ago there were very few states with unrestricted, or Constitutional, carry. Now it's about half or more. Colorado is an outlier in that gun laws are getting more restrictive when the trend is, and has been, more gun friendly.

So I'm always pleased when I see states become more gun friendly. There isn't a downside. None.
Same here. Training requirements and permit fees shouldn't stand in the way of law abiding citizens being able to defend themselves. If there are perks for going through a permitting process, then you can choose whether or not they're worth it to you.