Haiti president assassinated

[Irving]

Haiti's president Jovenel Moise has been assassinated. There are 17 arrested suspects, two of them are Americans.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/americas/haiti-president-jovenel-moise-attack-intl/index.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lLv-pHXKhk&ab_channel=GoodMorningAmerica

[battlemidget]

Would carry insurance cover that?

[Irving]

Only if it were unintentional. Snicker.

[BushMasterBoy]

Colombian drugs.

[FoxtArt]

We can completely rely and trust the Haitian authorities to diligently investigate and bring to justice all of those whom are actually responsible for this.



And before someone quotes me, [Sarcasm2]

[FoxtArt]

Reminds me of a lot of crimes in certain countries (southeast Asia) where they will round people up and parade them in front of the news. Whether they did the crime or not, not too important. If you are on an officers shit list, great chance you get rounded up and pinned for something in those places.

[Irving]

We can completely rely and trust the Haitian authorities to diligently investigate and bring to justice all of those whom are actually responsible for this.



And before someone quotes me, [Sarcasm2]

Shouldn't be sarcastic. I wouldn't expect anything different from our own government.

[JohnnyDrama]

That makes about 65 presidents/kings/big kahunas Haiti has gone through since 1804. That number is open to some interpretation though as there have been provisional governments and the country has been divided at times. I found this site while surfing.

https://www.historyguy.com/nations/haitian_leaders.htm

It appears that being overthrown is the most common form of government transition.

ETA: I did not use the above site solely for that number.

[Irving]

That makes about 65 presidents/kings/big kahunas Haiti has gone through since 1804. That number is open to some interpretation though as there have been provisional governments and the country has been divided at times. I found this site while surfing.

https://www.historyguy.com/nations/haitian_leaders.htm

It appears that being overthrown is the most common form of government transition.

ETA: I did not use the above site solely for that number.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLeOu__EYQw&ab_channel=NathanHarbert

[Great-Kazoo]

That makes about 65 presidents/kings/big kahunas Haiti has gone through since 1804. That number is open to some interpretation though as there have been provisional governments and the country has been divided at times. I found this site while surfing.

https://www.historyguy.com/nations/haitian_leaders.htm

It appears that being overthrown is the most common form of government transition.

ETA: I did not use the above site solely for that number.


Those and necktie parties. It was an hourly occurrence when clinton decided to "restore democracy".

Not that any administration is a beacon of honesty.

[BushMasterBoy]

Price wars. Report below says prices rose 20% due to pandemic. It is the largest industry in Florida and will not change until Americans stop buying it. This incident will show various nations involved in the trade. Unlikely to have an attack like this in the US, retaliatory price is too high.
The guys are lucky they were not left to the mobs. The Haitians like to put a used car tire around your neck and fill it with gasoline. The attack on their president reads just like the ending of Scarface...

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article246014720.html

https://www.stripes.com/branches/space_force/2021-06-17/Found-on-Cape-Canaveral-Space-Force-Station-Enough-coke-to-send-someone-into-orbit-1715200.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XP3MonWebI

[Ah Pook]

"Clintoned" over hurricane monies?

[JohnnyDrama]

"Clintoned" over hurricane monies?

That's an interesting take on the situation. Maybe tying up some loose ends before Chelsea gets into the limelight?

[BushMasterBoy]

"Caribbean transshipment point for cocaine en route to the US and Europe; substantial bulk cash smuggling activity; Colombian narcotics traffickers favor Haiti for illicit financial transactions; pervasive corruption; significant consumer of cannabis"

source:

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/haiti/#transnational-issues

[OldFogey]

Shouldn't be sarcastic. I wouldn't expect anything different from our own government.

This

[JohnnyDrama]

"Caribbean transshipment point for cocaine en route to the US and Europe; substantial bulk cash smuggling activity; Colombian narcotics traffickers favor Haiti for illicit financial transactions; pervasive corruption; significant consumer of cannabis"

source:

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/haiti/#transnational-issues

Interesting read. Haiti has been the poster child for failed states for over 200 years. I think it's interesting that Haiti's independence roughly coincides with the end of the "Golden Age of Piracy." This was also about the time a global economy was established. Hispaniola was an infamous center for illicit activities before the establishment of Haiti. The corruption runs deep. I'm sure there are many players. I imagine the most recent bunch of cocaine runners aren't the big fish.

[Eric P]

And I should care because?

If the US citizens are found guilty and terminated, they got what they deserved. Our government shouldn't negotiate to free them.

We should send zero troops and support to this 3rd world mess. we will gain even less.

[Irving]

And I should care because?

If the US citizens are found guilty and terminated, they got what they deserved. Our government shouldn't negotiate to free them.

We should send zero troops and support to this 3rd world mess. we will gain even less.

Are you the guy who writes a letter to the editor after you read a headline you don't care about on a magazine while waiting in the check out line at the grocery store?

I don't know if you should care or not though. Part of me posting was to see other's opinions. Maybe it's important, but I wouldn't know until someone told me.

[BushMasterBoy]

No death penalty in Haiti. $3000 a year average income. I'm sure you can buy your way there. I wouldn't go there if they offered me the ambassadors post at triple salary. It is the Somalia of the Caribbean.

[FoxtArt]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/10/world/canada/Haiti-Canada-Celestin-corruption.html

Much more detail for anyone interested. This is about 1 of the senators whom now has quite a bit of power, but reveals other tibits, such as 2/3's of the senate is empty after elections were never held to replace vacancies, head of their highest court died and has not been replaced, rampant corruption (who could've guessed...) etc.

[Martinjmpr]

Hey, didn't we "restore democracy" there in the 1990's when Clinton was president? :rolleyes:

As an OUD veteran (does anyone even remember that operation?) I can testify as to what a shithole Haiti is.

The sad thing is, geographically, there's nothing that, say, Jamaica has that Haiti doesn't also have: Tropical climate, miles of gorgeous beaches, a climate that is great for all kinds of tropical agriculture, etc.

There are even some amazing historical sites there like the San Souci Palace ruins and the Citadelle, the largest fortification in the Carribbean, built by King Henri Christophe to thwart an expected invasion by Napoleon (which never came because Napoleon needed Haiti like he needed a case of the clap.)

Most of the people we worked with were hard working and friendly, but they just had the misfortune of being born in a country that simply won't function because corruption is built into every level of society from the lowest to the highest.

But Haiti has been a "failed state" almost since its inception. Nobody is going to want to build a resort or business in the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere, a country that has become pretty much the poster child for all manner of disaster and misery.

And right next door the Dominican Republic has been trying to turn itself into a low-cost "destination resort" for tourists, with some success.

[JohnnyDrama]

Hey, didn't we "restore democracy" there in the 1990's when Clinton was president? :rolleyes:

As an OUD veteran (does anyone even remember that operation?) I can testify as to what a shithole Haiti is.

The sad thing is, geographically, there's nothing that, say, Jamaica has that Haiti doesn't also have: Tropical climate, miles of gorgeous beaches, a climate that is great for all kinds of tropical agriculture, etc.

There are even some amazing historical sites there like the San Souci Palace ruins and the Citadelle, the largest fortification in the Carribbean, built by King Henri Christophe to thwart an expected invasion by Napoleon (which never came because Napoleon needed Haiti like he needed a case of the clap.)

Most of the people we worked with were hard working and friendly, but they just had the misfortune of being born in a country that simply won't function because corruption is built into every level of society from the lowest to the highest.

But Haiti has been a "failed state" almost since its inception. Nobody is going to want to build a resort or business in the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere, a country that has become pretty much the poster child for all manner of disaster and misery.

And right next door the Dominican Republic has been trying to turn itself into a low-cost "destination resort" for tourists, with some success.

Part of what has set Haiti apart from it's neighbors is that at the time of it's founding, Cuba, Jamaica, the Antilles, were under the thumbs of nations with powerful military forces who enforced laws that are viewed as draconian and inhumane today. Meanwhile, Haiti/Hispaniola was at the mercy of smugglers, pirates, and privateers many of whom were being sponsored by neighboring powers.

Here is an article explaining, to a certain degree, how that pattern is continuing. I apologize for the source. Take it with a grain of salt.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-admits-training-colombians-accused-of-killing-haiti-president-as-part-of-billion-dollar-war-on-drugs