View Full Version : You buy 'em books & they eat the pages
theGinsue
12-14-2009, 00:15
So, my 17yo son just came home from watching the meteor shower @ Palmer Park (PP) and then dropping his girlfriend off.
He told me that as he was leaving PP he noticed a pickup following him. The truck followed him as he dropped his girlfriend off and then the 3 miles to and then through our neighborhood. It finally broke off when the driver realized that my son was just driving around & knew that he was being followed. My son didn't come by our house until after the truck broke off and took off out of the neighborhood (at least he did that right). They followed him for more than 10 miles and through various turns - clearly, they were following him for some reason.
I've tried to teach both of my kids and my wife that if they ever think they are being followed to call me, stay on main roads and I will come find them and interceed on their behalf - with a phone call to CSPD as well. I've got a bit of a reputation in my neighborhood as being a "Barney Fife"...in fact I am the entire Neighborhood Watch! So, I guess my kids just take all of the things I try to teach them as a "it's just dad" sort of thing.
My son believed that the person following him was another kid from his school who has been looing for trouble with my son since this last summer and has been escalating things lately. He didn't even get a license plate number to let us file a police report (If it was the kid from school, and if things get out of hand, the police report can show a history of problems with this kid.).
Now, I guarantee that I won't be getting any sleep tonight as I'll be watching his car and my house for vandalism.
So, as the subject said, you buy 'em books & you buy 'em books and what dod they do? They eat the pages.
I've had this happen to me before. Doing an e-brake u-turn in the middle of Colfas got the attention of a police cruiser that was hanging out at a car dealership. He pulled me over to ask what the heck was going on. I told him, and the car drove by while I was standing outside the car, but nothing happened.
Hope everything turns out well for you.
iamhunter
12-14-2009, 08:19
Some punk was doing something similiar to my brother back when we were in high school...
Kid's these days are idiots. If you got a problem with someone, talk it out, or fight it out.
Don't wait until they fall asleep and attack their property....
Had an old guy follow me when I was in high school after I finished a golf tournament. I gunned it to over 100 MPH on a two lane road and he kept up with me in his honda civic. I took him into a nice neighborhood where I knew there was only one way out, circled around, blocked off the entrance with my truck and exited the vehicle with one of my irons yelling like a fucking crazy person. I told him get the fuck away from me or I would bash his head in.
he told me his wasn't following me..so I asked where do you live and he points in the opposite direction we were heading, I asked why he was following me at 100 mph and he said he thought we were going the speed limit.
I called him a fucking liar and told him he better get the fuck out of here before the police are called and he is being beaten with my club.
he promptly left.
iamhunter
12-14-2009, 10:45
Little did you know it was a PGA scout....
whoops.
GreenScoutII
12-14-2009, 10:51
I grew up in the Springs. We had shit like that happen even back then. Its probably like you say, just some dipshit kid from his school.
Does your son have a cellphone with a camera? Next time tell him to snap a photo if he can do so safely. That way if the situation did escalate, you'll have proof of who was following him around.
If it was 20 years ago, the thing to do would have been for your son to call the other kid out for a fistfight. These days, that would just get him arrested. Photographic evidence is better these days.
iamhunter
12-14-2009, 10:56
If it was 20 years ago, the thing to do would have been for your son to call the other kid out for a fistfight. These days, that would just get him arrested. Photographic evidence is better these days.
or shot. The days of settling things like men is over. Now kids resort to stalking people and bashing in their cars while the sleep.
What kind of cowardly thing is that to do?
I really wish things could still be settled with a good ole' round of fisticuffs.
Without fear of someone bringing a knife/gun to a fistfight.
Had a guy following me once... Pulled a manuver and slammed the brakes. He bought me a new car thanks to his insurance. Never heard from him again! lol.
Ranger353
12-14-2009, 11:34
or shot. The days of settling things like men is over. Now kids resort to stalking people and bashing in their cars while the sleep.
What kind of cowardly thing is that to do?
I really wish things could still be settled with a good ole' round of fisticuffs.
Without fear of someone bringing a knife/gun to a fistfight.
Back in the late 70's when I was in high school I saw a couple of guys get beat into the hospital for a week or so. The average 16-18 year old high school boy today seem to be bigger and stronger then 2 or 3 generations back. I remember one guy getting his jaw busted in 3 pieces with one punch.
Be careful and know what you're getting into before you find you are in over your head.
Ginsue, depending on what kind of vehicle your son drives, it could have been car thieves. If he drives a Honda or Subaru or some other sporty import car, let me know all the details of the truck that he remembers and I'll pass it on to the import car website that I'm on that keeps track of suspicious vehicles. It is not uncommon.
iamhunter
12-14-2009, 11:39
Back in the late 70's when I was in high school I saw a couple of guys get beat into the hospital for a week or so. The average 16-18 year old high school boy today seem to be bigger and stronger then 2 or 3 generations back. I remember one guy getting his jaw busted in 3 pieces with one punch.
Be careful and know what you're getting into before you find you are in over your head.
Yah fights involving multiple people are bad news...
But a one on one fight should end when the first person goes down...
It's meant to settle controversy, not put people in hospitals.
But I agree... like I said, those days are over. These days it's not worth it.
Getting ganged up on is the least of your worries with many kids these days more than ready to take a life.
Little did you know it was a PGA scout....
whoops.
lol! I was a good player, and the #1 golfer my senior year shooting in the low 70's consistently, but that isn't good enough IMO, maybe for a jr. co or something to that effect. too late now[ROFL1]
Had a guy following me once... Pulled a manuver and slammed the brakes. He bought me a new car thanks to his insurance. Never heard from him again! lol.
lol that is funny!
Troublco
12-14-2009, 12:15
Sometimes experiencing things themselves is the only way they're going to figure out that maybe, just maybe, Dad might actually know what he's talking about. All you can do is hope that their experiences are relatively benign...
Sometimes experiencing things themselves is the only way they're going to figure out that maybe, just maybe, Dad might actually know what he's talking about. All you can do is hope that their experiences are relatively benign...
You know, that is so true. The older I get, the more I realize that my "ol' man" is one SMART fellow! lol.
GreenScoutII
12-14-2009, 13:12
You know, that is so true. The older I get, the more I realize that my "ol' man" is one SMART fellow! lol.
Yeah, no kidding. I don't argue with my dad anymore, I got tired of proving him right!
robsterclaw
12-14-2009, 15:16
Yah fights involving multiple people are bad news...
But a one on one fight should end when the first person goes down...
It's meant to settle controversy, not put people in hospitals.
But I agree... like I said, those days are over. These days it's not worth it.
Getting ganged up on is the least of your worries with many kids these days more than ready to take a life.
Those days have been over for a long time. I graduated in '88 and early that year my best friends sister got jumped by three racist black girls because she was white. tall and beautiful. She beat up all three of them, but still they didn't try it one on one even in those days 20 years ago.
Was there ever a time, in all of history, where people didn't say things like, "Back in the old days this wouldn't have happened like that!"
I seriously doubt it. Jesus never fought anyone one on one.
iamhunter
12-14-2009, 15:31
Was there ever a time, in all of history, where people didn't say things like, "Back in the old days this wouldn't have happened like that!"
I seriously doubt it. Jesus never fought anyone one on one.
But things WERE better. Violent crime has risen %350 in the past 40 years
Crime rates fell from the mid 90s to the early 2000s (still dipping nowhere near as low as the pre-70s era) but have flatlined or risen since 2006.
Jesus never fought anyone one on one.
Well... He did throw a bunch of misaligned angels out of heaven.... lol.
NOT trying to start a war, just being a smart @$$. I'll stop now.
Ranger353
12-14-2009, 16:01
But things WERE better. Violent crime has risen %350 in the past 40 years
Crime rates fell from the mid 90s to the early 2000s (still dipping nowhere near as low as the pre-70s era) but have flatlined or risen since 2006.
I used to think that things were better when I was a kid (60's 'n 70's) but I now know that I just wasn't as aware of the evil back then. Newspapers were very selective in the crimes they reported and TV news was also told what was acceptable to report.
theGinsue
12-14-2009, 23:35
Some punk was doing something similiar to my brother back when we were in high school...
Kid's these days are idiots. If you got a problem with someone, talk it out, or fight it out.
Don't wait until they fall asleep and attack their property....
This kid has been running his mouth for months now egging my son on for a fight. He's slammed into my son from behind in the school hallway a few times pushing the envelope. My son has been chomping at the bit to settle this once and for all but I've been able to keep a leash on him so far. Especially since most schools these days will suspend or expel both students who were fighting. To top it off, my son is in a cast with a broken hand for punching a cement pillar (dumbass kid).
My son has been told by a few adults who know both kids that he wouldn't have a problem beating the other kids ass. Yeah, that's the advice I want given to him...nothing like throwing fuel on the fire.
Today, my son spoke to the Security guys @ his HS today and explained the situation. He then went to the Counsellors office and told them how things have been escalating with that other kid - they directed him to the Discipline Office. These guys told my son they'd call this other kid in and talk to him today. I'll see how that effects things.
Tonight, I just found out this kids last name. I'm going to find out where he lives and, if need be, try to talk to the kids dad. Hopefully I can impress upon him how bad this can get and (hopefully) he'll do something about his kid. If not, I'll remove the leash from my son and tell him to drop the kid.
Ginsue, depending on what kind of vehicle your son drives, it could have been car thieves. If he drives a Honda or Subaru or some other sporty import car, let me know all the details of the truck that he remembers and I'll pass it on to the import car website that I'm on that keeps track of suspicious vehicles. It is not uncommon.
According to what my son said, the vehicle following him was a red smaller sized pickup - he thinks it was a Dakota.
I like the idea of using his cell camera to get a pic of the vehicle. I'll inform him of that option.
There needs to be a time when your son needs to do the right thing and beat the hell out of this kid. If I were hit in the back while in the hallway, it would go down right there.
Only happened once in high school and I received 3 days at home and the other kid got expelled since it was added to his extremely long list of wrong doings.
tell him wait for the other kid to push the envelope one more time and let that kid take the first swing, then let loose.
I wouldn't bother talking with the dad.
I wouldn't bother talking with the dad.
Unfortunately, "in today's world" this could led to a fight between father and father, lol. So messed up. I think if something else happens, you ought to let your son off the leash. Just be prepared for what could happen, expulsion, criminal charges, etc. Get what you can on film, police reports, etc. Good luck.
iamhunter
12-15-2009, 11:00
Talking to the dad isn't a bad idea. Give him a call or knock on the door, get an idea of his character and procede accordingly.
Also, just so you know, if a fight happens after school, even away from school grounds, the school can claim jurisdiction in the matter unless the kid "goes home" first.
If it happens "on the way" home from school, it could still be a school issue. So take that into consideration.
Also, just so you know, if a fight happens after school, even away from school grounds, the school can claim jurisdiction in the matter unless the kid "goes home" first.
If it happens "on the way" home from school, it could still be a school issue. So take that into consideration.
That's not true. It doesn't matter if they go home first or not. It WILL be a school issue if the school finds out, no matter what, because that is where they know each other from. The term the school uses is "nexus." i had a friend in high school see a coach at the store on the weekend. The kid flipped off the coach and got suspended when he came back to school the next week.
iamhunter
12-15-2009, 12:48
That's not true. It doesn't matter if they go home first or not. It WILL be a school issue if the school finds out, no matter what, because that is where they know each other from. The term the school uses is "nexus." i had a friend in high school see a coach at the store on the weekend. The kid flipped off the coach and got suspended when he came back to school the next week.
I don't know, maybe things are different in your district. I suppose you should look it up. But my wife's little brother got into a fight about 4 months ago and the school district couldn't do anything because it happened after both kids had gone home and subsequently bumped into eachother at a park.
Like I said though, I guess it could differ county by county. But the "nexus" your county's school disitrict seems to be claiming is incredibly ridiculous.
I know it is ridiculous. I thought it was all about the going home thing as well, until my friend got suspended. I wrote for the school news paper at the time and went and interviewed the vice principle and she laid it all out for me. That's how schools can suspend kids who get into fist fights at a party on the weekend, or if a school party gets busted up and all the kids who got caught get suspended; when they all obviously went home before the Saturday night party.
I was going to suggest that maybe someone at the school used some discretion, but we all know how much schools love their "no tolerance" policies...
Sturtle... I hate to call BS but I am. Not on you but on the school your attending. School grounds is the ONLY jurisdication that school SOP's fall under. A kid can step across the street and fight as much as they want. Your principal can (and should) be sued if she is expelling kids due to what they do off school grounds or during the weekend. Sidenote: If the kids are on a school sponsored trip, then yes, the same rules apply as if the kids were on school grounds.
These type of policies do NOT differ from county to county, district to district. If I can find them, I'll pull out the rule books.
Now for creditials, I am a liscenced music teacher here in CO and in TX. Thank you, next.
Edit: Info beings here: http://www.cde.state.co.us/index_law.htm Again, I'll try to cite specifics when I get some time.
Edit #2: If a kid gets expelled for a fight off grounds, send them here: http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdeedserv/cdegrievance.htm
EDIT #3 and last: OH NO!! Revoke my liscence! I was wrong. Your principal CAN expell for off grounds fights... wow, I didn't know the law changed. Check out this link: http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdereval/download/PDF/StudentDiciplineIncidents/CRS_22-33-106_Grounds%20for%20Suspension.Expulsion.DeniedAdm issions.pdf (http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdereval/download/PDF/StudentDiciplineIncidents/CRS_22-33-106_Grounds%20for%20Suspension.Expulsion.DeniedAdm issions.pdf) first page, letter "c". Sorry, I stand corrected.
I haven't been in high school for almost ten years now. In reality, a school can suspend kids for whatever it wants. I would like for you to look up the rules if you have access to them.
Besides all that, no one in their right mind should fear a suspension/expulsion at the high school level. It's not like you'll miss anything.
Let me also say that I agree that PUBLIC schools suspending students for what they do when they are not at school is total BS. They shouldn't have the right to do such things.
Let me also say that I agree that PUBLIC schools suspending students for what they do when they are not at school is total BS. They shouldn't have the right to do such things.
but that would not be the libtard way.
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