Mountain City Supply

[eddiememphis]

Ammoseek shows they have 9mm in stock. I looked at their website and they are in Castle Rock.

Anyone have any dealing with them? It says they have a gun shop on site and you can pick up your ammo order there.

I'd rather pay tax than shipping and help local guys at the same time.

[colorider]

This is really interesting as just this morning I saw an ad for them on my Facebook feed. Went to their website and looked around. Looks like they have ammo in stock at not so insane prices. Just got done looking at online reviews and it seems they are extremely slow to ship ammo. However, that’s not important for us that can go pick the stuff up.

[eddiememphis]

I just filled out the order form. Selected pick-up and the soonest is August 16th. A week isn't too bad, but if it isn't in stock, they shouldn't say it is.

[colorider]

Yep, that is the major complaint when I did research online. Many many people pissed off as they charged the credit card at time of order and it was weeks and weeks until they shipped or even got back to the customer via email or phone. Could have been growing pains when they moved to the new facility in Castle Rock, or could be they have crap customer service. Looking forward to your report back when you get the ammo. Sure would be awesome to have a reliable local ammo manufacturer that has good pricing.

[eddiememphis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQPl3A3G5P8&ab_channel=MountainCitySupply

Video of their setup. At 1:07, a bunch is dumped onto some kind of sorting machine. A round in the center is missing a primer.

[eddiememphis]

Ordered some today for pickup next Thursday. Tax in Castle Rock is 4.25%

[Sawin]

Let us know how it goes

[rondog]

Called them today to see if they'd buy clean, polished 9mm and .223 brass. "Sure, we pay $1.50/lb."

Um, scrapyard pays $2.20/lb for it, clean or filthy, smashed, cracked, or spent primers......

[BladesNBarrels]

Called them today to see if they'd buy clean, polished 9mm and .223 brass. "Sure, we pay $1.50/lb."

Um, scrapyard pays $2.20/lb for it, clean or filthy, smashed, cracked, or spent primers......

Which scrapyard is buying filthy, smashed brass?
I have a bucket from one of the old machine gun shoots that I have been wondering about.

[Irving]

Most of them I think. Can Land over by Rocky's Autos has taken brass from me before. I've got about 6,000 .222 cases I'm going to be taking down there tomorrow.

[kidicarus13]

I've got about 6,000 .222 cases in going to be taking down there tomorrow.

Who shoots that anymore, right?

[Irving]

No one I know about.

[Irving]

Just kidding Little Dutch, I don't have any of that brass.

[Martinjmpr]

This is really interesting as just this morning I saw an ad for them on my Facebook feed. Went to their website and looked around. Looks like they have ammo in stock at not so insane prices.

What constitutes "not so insane prices?" these days for 9mm?

Speaking of ammo prices, I know price-per-round is more accurate but I always think in terms of price-per-box (assuming the standard of 50 rnds/box for pistol ammo and 20 rnds/box for rifle ammo.) It makes it easier for me to figure whether prices have gone up or down if I can think of it in terms of "per box."

So, before the Great Ammo Panic of 2020, "low end" 9mm (non reloadable Berdan-primed steel cased Russian ammo, either Tula or Brown/Silver bear) was around $8 - $9/box, and boxer-primed brass "range" ammo typically started around $12 - $14/box (these prices had been relatively stable since I started buying ammo online around 2010 or so, except for the 2012 - 2014 post Sandy Hook ammo panic.)

Those numbers have been my "baseline" for calculating the change in ammo prices. I'm not really in the market (haven't been doing much shooting at all these past few years) but I'm idly curious to know what people are paying for 9mm, if they don't mind sharing the info.

[Little Dutch]

Just kidding Little Dutch, I don't have any of that brass.

Lol! I was half a second from frantically typing out a direct message…

But yeah, I take brass to the local scrap yards once in a while. Back when metals were through the roof and brass was over 6 a lb, my 5 gallon buckets of reloading scrap were worth a crazy amount. Make sure there’s nothing ferrous in it, shotgun primers and steel cases notably, and the scrapyards consider it clean yellow brass.

[rondog]

Which scrapyard is buying filthy, smashed brass?
I have a bucket from one of the old machine gun shoots that I have been wondering about.

Atlas in Denver.

[eddiememphis]

What constitutes "not so insane prices?" these days for 9mm?

Speaking of ammo prices, I know price-per-round is more accurate but I always think in terms of price-per-box (assuming the standard of 50 rnds/box for pistol ammo and 20 rnds/box for rifle ammo.) It makes it easier for me to figure whether prices have gone up or down if I can think of it in terms of "per box."

So, before the Great Ammo Panic of 2020, "low end" 9mm (non reloadable Berdan-primed steel cased Russian ammo, either Tula or Brown/Silver bear) was around $8 - $9/box, and boxer-primed brass "range" ammo typically started around $12 - $14/box (these prices had been relatively stable since I started buying ammo online around 2010 or so, except for the 2012 - 2014 post Sandy Hook ammo panic.)

Those numbers have been my "baseline" for calculating the change in ammo prices. I'm not really in the market (haven't been doing much shooting at all these past few years) but I'm idly curious to know what people are paying for 9mm, if they don't mind sharing the info.

I paid $.41 each including tax.

Two weeks ago on AmmoSeek, Russian garbage ammo was dipping below $.30 for the first time in over a year. I vowed years ago I would never put that dirty crap through any gun I own again, after a few boxes of Wolf in .380. The smoke was toxic and the Sig 232 took and hour to clean.

Since the Biden ammo ban last week, the prices have jumped back up. Cheap steel jacket is at $.33. The least expensive new brass is at $.36.5.

So I may have overpaid but it's convenient and the online prices don't include tax and shipping.

Now I need to do some math and decide if it is worth it to start handloading 9mm. I never considered it before when you could buy 1000 gun show reloads for $100 or whatever it was. Now? It may be worth the time and effort.

[Martinjmpr]

I paid $.41 each including tax.

Two weeks ago on AmmoSeek, Russian garbage ammo was dipping below $.30 for the first time in over a year. I vowed years ago I would never put that dirty crap through any gun I own again, after a few boxes of Wolf in .380. The smoke was toxic and the Sig 232 took and hour to clean.

Since the Biden ammo ban last week, the prices have jumped back up. Cheap steel jacket is at $.33. The least expensive new brass is at $.36.5.

So I may have overpaid but it's convenient and the online prices don't include tax and shipping.

Now I need to do some math and decide if it is worth it to start handloading 9mm. I never considered it before when you could buy 1000 gun show reloads for $100 or whatever it was. Now? It may be worth the time and effort.

Well, I handloaded for about 15 years and for me the issue wasn't money, it was time. Should point out that I had a single stage (lee) press so of course that's much more time consuming than a progressive press (but then again the progressive press costs more so that has to be factored into any accounting as well.)

However, there's still sorting, case prep, obtaining components, etc etc. Ultimately I decided that I didn't shoot enough for handloading to be worth my time.

It was fun for the first few years, sitting in my shop with calipers and loading data books and experimenting with different bullet types and loads but after I got married and got a house, other stuff just took up most of my free time and then reloading became more of a chore than an enjoyable hobby.

Maybe after I retire I will consider taking up reloading again, just because I'll have more time for it.

[Sawin]

If you have thousands, and only shoot 100 a month, you should be good to go for a while while the prices come back down…. I’m still shooting regularly, and reloading as I go, just for fun; not even 1:1.

Train while you can, until you can’t.

[MrPrena]

How are they comparable to cheap Herters?

[Great-Kazoo]

Maybe after I retire I will consider taking up reloading again, just because I'll have more time for it.


[ROFL3] Keep thinking that. These last 3 years have been some of the busiest for me. I don't have a job, however between volunteering at a few different places, and various projects. It seems like there's not enough time some days.

The up side, is you're not on the clock for your own projects.

[Linkless]

What constitutes "not so insane prices?" these days for 9mm?

Speaking of ammo prices, I know price-per-round is more accurate but I always think in terms of price-per-box (assuming the standard of 50 rnds/box for pistol ammo and 20 rnds/box for rifle ammo.) It makes it easier for me to figure whether prices have gone up or down if I can think of it in terms of "per box."

So, before the Great Ammo Panic of 2020, "low end" 9mm (non reloadable Berdan-primed steel cased Russian ammo, either Tula or Brown/Silver bear) was around $8 - $9/box, and boxer-primed brass "range" ammo typically started around $12 - $14/box (these prices had been relatively stable since I started buying ammo online around 2010 or so, except for the 2012 - 2014 post Sandy Hook ammo panic.)

Those numbers have been my "baseline" for calculating the change in ammo prices. I'm not really in the market (haven't been doing much shooting at all these past few years) but I'm idly curious to know what people are paying for 9mm, if they don't mind sharing the info.

Prior to this mess, I was buying Fiocchi 115gr fmj for 180 a case (1000) delivered.

At the gun show a couple of weeks ago, I bought a case (1000rnds) of Federal HST 124+P for $500. I followed up with a case of the 147 HST for the same price. I reload so I don't keep track of FMJ prices.

[kidicarus13]

Any member reviews on their ammo? I am considering picking some up at their shop since it is close. Looking at mostly auto pistol calibers.

[gnihcraes]

I haven't tried it yet. It looks good.

Not a lot on the shelf when I've been there.

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[rondog]

I finally went down there for a looky, didn't tour the mfg building, just the gun shop. Don't really need anything, basically just taking the dog for a ride - but I DID score a used Frankford Arsenal F.A.R.T. brass wet tumbler, and two used FA Brass Dryers! All in great shape and work perfectly, and at GREAT PRICES! So now I have two of those tumblers and three of the dryers!

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[T. B. Turner]

I bought 3 boxes of their 9mm ammo last spring only one FTE. So I bought 1000 from one of their flash sales for an exceptional price on 7/29. Was originally told 3-4 week delivery. Called twice to see how my order was going. was told both times it would be out the following week which didn't happen. During this time they were still running their "Flash Sales" I asked why, A couple of weeks ago I finally stopped getting their sale email's. I called today (8 weeks later) 9/23/22 and canceled my order.

[colorider]

I bought 3 boxes of their 9mm ammo last spring only one FTE. So I bought 1000 from one of their flash sales for an exceptional price on 7/29. Was originally told 3-4 week delivery. Called twice to see how my order was going. was told both times it would be out the following week which didn't happen. During this time they were still running their "Flash Sales" I asked why, A couple of weeks ago I finally stopped getting their sale email's. I called today (8 weeks later) 9/23/22 and canceled my order.

Not a good sign, and also a pattern that is seen with companies that are about to split with awaiting customer's money.

[hollohas]

I bought 3 boxes of their 9mm ammo last spring only one FTE. So I bought 1000 from one of their flash sales for an exceptional price on 7/29. Was originally told 3-4 week delivery. Called twice to see how my order was going. was told both times it would be out the following week which didn't happen. During this time they were still running their "Flash Sales" I asked why, A couple of weeks ago I finally stopped getting their sale email's. I called today (8 weeks later) 9/23/22 and canceled my order.Do they wait to charge you until it ships?

All too often, companies that run continuous "flash sales" like that and take payment upfront while they can't ship are running ponzi schemes. Trying to front load with cash and never catch up. They need to keep taking new orders in order to pay for raw materials to produce their backorders. Good idea cancelling your order.

[kidicarus13]

Subscribed to this thread.

They charged my cc the day of order and this was included with my emailed receipt I received on the same day:

Thank you for your order! Below is a summary for your records. All orders are shipping 3-4 weeks from the date of purchase. We are unable to move orders into the processing stage on our website, you will not see any order updates until your order ships. Once your order ships you will receive an email with your UPS Ground tracking number. If you selected for your order to be picked up, it will be ready at the date and time listed below.

[3beansalad]

91589 Concerning, hope it works out for anyone that's been charged.

[.455_Hunter]

For a legitimate company, having a wait-list makes sense. When your name gets to the top, they should send an email/text/phone call stating you have 24 hours to confirm you still want to order. If you respond affirmatively, they will charge your card and ship product.

[T. B. Turner]

They did charge my cc the same day that I placed the order. They said they would credit me back when I cancelled, I also filed a dispute with my cc company to be sure.

[kidicarus13]

91589 Concerning, hope it works out for anyone that's been charged.It'll work out as I'll either get the ammo or I'll dispute it through my cc. All my past disputes (different companies) were refunded immediately so I am not to concerned. One of the advantages of cc over cash on the barrel head.

[colorider]

I just looked at their latest google reviews. Months to ship ammo and several people who are having issues with the ammo they got. It's some good casual reading. Seems like the only customers they respond to are the ones that have left a bad review. The ignore all the emails and phone calls and just respond after the customer blasts them with a negative review. That's some crappy business practice. Some of these people have been waiting months to get a response or their ammo. A LOT of bad reviews from the past few weeks.

[kidicarus13]

From their website...
FOR LOCAL PICK UP ORDERS, PLEASE INPUT OUR ADDRESS - 647 S GILBERT ST, CASTLE ROCK CO 80104

Wonder how far some good 'ol fashioned door knocking would go?

[flogger]

I heard about these guys on Tom Martino last week. Same complaints about shipping and a few on crappy ammo, squibs/duds.

[BladesNBarrels]

I heard about these guys on Tom Martino last week. Same complaints about shipping and a few on crappy ammo, squibs/duds.

Tom Martino.
Wow, I didn't know he was still doing consumer advice.
It has been two decades since I heard him.
Where are you listening to him?

[flogger]

AM 630, 10-2 weekdays. He can be a dick sometimes, but I really don't care. Good background noise at work and good advice.

[hollohas]

Tom Martino.
Wow, I didn't know he was still doing consumer advice.
It has been two decades since I heard him.
Where are you listening to him?Surprised anyone can take him seriously anymore when he went bankrupt with $75M in debts.

[Sawin]

Surprised anyone can take him seriously anymore when he went bankrupt with $75M in debts.

Wow… but hey, with 75M in debts he’s likely to have had a lot of “consumer experience” buying and using various goods and services, so maybe he knows a lot and is just an irresponsible crook?

[kidicarus13]

Update: Ordered on Sept 14th and no ammo was delivered. I disputed the charge through my credit card based on receiving no product. MCS officially has until December sometime to refute. All the while their online advertised prices continue to drop. Quite the business plan if you ask me.

Buyer beware [emoji3517]

[kidicarus13]

When I disputed the charge in September, my credit card credited my money back temporarily. They gave MCS 2 months to reply to the disputed charge. The 2 months expired without a challenge from MCS. All the while, they continued to sell the same 9mm ammo I never received.

[DEAGLER]

Sheesh. Bunch of buddies had to dispute for refunds

[Colorobo]

See they are off AMMO SEEK. Had to file a Credit card dispute last night. BAD BAD business. Late on shipping and refunding my money.

[Squeeze]

Bought some small pistol primers from them a while back. Cheaper than the gun show by far. Paid $134 for 1500 Fiochi SPP. Great customer service and friendly staff.

[ManOnTarget]

Wow. I just read through this thread and went down a total rabbit whole of reading their google reviews. This is just a shame. I have heard their adds on the radio and thought it was cool that a Colorado company was making reman ammo in house. Thes guys seem to have totally fallen apart. It is a bummer that they couldn't have been a good company, who knows where they could have gone.

From their website it seems like they are just doubling down. No longer taking phone calls, you have to email for service, and large bold text that all sales are final and that orders cant be canceled. This is a company who knows they are failing and they are gasping for air.......

[eddiememphis]

OUR OUTLET STORE IS TEMPORARILY CLOSED. WE DON'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME TO RESUME IN PERSON SALES.

Does that mean we can't pick up orders? Or just the gun shop is closed? I just sent an email.

Too bad they are having issues. Hate to see any business struggle, especially a Colorado gun business.

[eddiememphis]

"Please allow 2 business days for voicemails to be returned and 3-7 business days for a response via email. Our phone lines are closed until further notice to allow us to respond to emails inquiries."

Response to my email.

If the phones are off how do they get voicemail?

[colorider]

Funny they are too busy to answer phones, emails or have customers to go in the shop when apparently they also can't get ANY ammo out the door. What are they busy doing? Sure looks like they are not grinding away at ammo production. If they were. at least one person online would be saying they actually got some ammo. I say they are hiding, spent the money that they collected and have no way to produce the ammo that they collected money for. Also something to think about. How many orders did they accept and collect money for when there were ZERO primers to be had? I would have to guess a whole lot!

[eddiememphis]

I received this response-

Hello Eddie,

Currently the store is temporarily closed, though we do still offer a pickup option when the order is placed online. For this just put our address as the shipping and it will pop up an option to pick a date and time for the pickup.

Thank You,

Keegan Cool

Customer Service

Mountain City Supply LLC



I ordered two boxes of 9mm.

They are having a sale- $7.99 each, one box per order. I bought one 115g and one 124g.

I set the order as pickup and set the date as soon as possible which is January 5 at noon.

Let's see what happens!

[Mtneer]

I had a good experience purchasing 38 Special in March. Actual price delivered was reasonable (Ammoseek looks good until you add shipping). Took a couple weeks but that was stated when I paid. First and only time I ordered from them.

[eddiememphis]

Just got an email saying my order is ready. I'll head down there in a bit to pick it up.

[eddiememphis]

Went down and picked them up. I saw a guy outside and asked him where to pick them up, now that the store is closed. It is the man door next to the garage door. Press a doorbell and they bring them out to you.

[eddiememphis]

I haven't had an email from them in a couple weeks.

Looking at the website it says red letters-

WE ARE TEMPORARILY NOT TAKING ANY NEW ORDERS AT THIS TIME WHILE WE RESOLVE CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUES.

[gnihcraes]

Hearing that mcs is closed out of business from locals down here.

[kidicarus13]

Hearing that mcs is closed out of business from locals down here.Another one bites the dust...

https://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE

[rondog]

Well, this sucks - sorry to hear it. I'd considered going to work for them a year ago, guess I dodged a bullet - so to speak.....

[gnihcraes]

Yeah I was hoping to work for them too. Owell.