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flogger
08-26-2021, 17:50
Are you Fing kidding me????

Why not just execute them yourself and be done with it? No hostages, nothing "messy". Does that twisted old coot not remember what the Taliban did to Afghan allies before> Beheading videos anyone?

I am puzzled why the Biden administration would do something like this. They are either complete idiots, treasonous or both.

Time to look at this SOB's handlers and make a change. This country is heading down the wrong road and has been since the last election.

hollohas
08-26-2021, 18:31
Time to look at this SOB's handlers and make a change.

Start with whoever "instructed him to call on" certain reports today.

hollohas
08-26-2021, 18:43
Ha.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210827/09fb6e86ca26d0d39dc8ecd6fe879892.jpg

Bailey Guns
08-26-2021, 19:20
Fortunately, the Sgt Major of the Army is woke enough to tweet about diversity and women's equality while there's a national security crisis ongoing in Afghanistan. What a fuckin' dickhead.

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00tec
08-26-2021, 19:25
Fortunately, the Sgt Major of the Army is woke enough to tweet about diversity and women's equality while there's a national security crisis ongoing in Afghanistan. What a fuckin' dickhead.

87290

Well, Vice did say that many Marines are neo-nazis on the twit box today.... he just wanted to fit in

flogger
08-26-2021, 19:26
All I can say is I can?t wait for my son?s deployment to end on time and get him home safe and sound-this is number 4 for him.

Our thoughts are with you, your son and family members.

The same for countless others with loved ones in uniform and ?over there?.

.455_Hunter
08-26-2021, 19:26
Fortunately, the Sgt Major of the Army is woke enough to tweet about diversity and women's equality while there's a national security crisis ongoing in Afghanistan. What a fuckin' dickhead.

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I had to tell my Divisional CSM to go fuck himself on more than one occasion. Looks like the SMA is cut from the same cloth.

hollohas
08-26-2021, 19:29
Fortunately, the Sgt Major of the Army is woke enough to tweet about diversity and women's equality while there's a national security crisis ongoing in Afghanistan. What a fuckin' dickhead.

87290Our Army is more lethal when women in uniform have many different hair styles? I'm not tracking with this guy. I'd didn't think that was an important factor when killing people...

Scanker19
08-26-2021, 19:30
I’m convinced that every SMA has some kind of mental disability.

hollohas
08-26-2021, 19:35
We're so screwed.

And the woke demographics in the military are just going to be more pronounced when a bunch of the 800k unvaxed don't re-up and other unvaxed can't join.

BushMasterBoy
08-26-2021, 19:54
I think I saw a Taliban submarine in the Pueblo Reservoir.

JohnnyDrama
08-26-2021, 20:11
Our Army is more lethal when women in uniform have many different hair styles? I'm not tracking with this guy. I'd didn't think that was an important factor when killing people...

Unless her hair looks like this.

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I loved my time on active duty but I'm real happy it was before all this woke bullshit.

Doc45
08-26-2021, 20:16
Our thoughts are with you, your son and family members.

The same for countless others with loved ones in uniform and ?over there?.

Thanks and agreed for all that have family involved.

BushMasterBoy
08-26-2021, 20:28
Soon DOD can celebrate "Pregnant Lesbian Day". Hell, make it a national holiday!

Bailey Guns
08-26-2021, 20:37
My son was in FL training with AC-130s this past week. Contracted COVID. He said it was like a mild flu...more annoying than anything. He feels better but lost his senses of taste and smell now. So he's been holed up for a while and may be taken off flight and combat status for a bit. I'm almost thankful. He's less than 2 years to retirement. Of course he doesn't feel the same way his father does about that.

Gman
08-27-2021, 08:47
I had to tell my Divisional CSM to go fuck himself on more than one occasion. Looks like the SMA is cut from the same cloth.

When you get that far up in the ranks, you're just another political animal...wearing a uniform.

.455_Hunter
08-27-2021, 09:27
When you get that far up in the ranks, you're just another political animal...wearing a uniform.


My friend's Dad made it to O8 and they dangled a third star in front of his face to try to get him to be the J4 in Kuwait for the Iraq invasion. He was so done with it, and retired about as far away from the beltway as possible- a 35 acre ranchette down near Westcliffe.

hollohas
08-27-2021, 09:29
A ?group of American war veterans in Kabul are secretly saving hundreds of Afghan Special Forces troops and their families who helped them in the war but have now been left for dead as the US withdraws from Afghanistan.??

Exactly what'd I'd expect from our men. There was no doubt in my mind our soldiers were leaving the airport despite orders to stay. It's amazing that SF vets flew to Kabul and ran their own missions to get people out. Good on them. That's what what defines bravery. These guys are 'Merica AF. F'in heros.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9932809/Afghanistan-evacuation-continues-day-ISIS-bomb-kills-13-troops-90-Afghans.html

Gman
08-27-2021, 09:29
We're not sure where Joe is so we don't really know if he's our President or not.
The problem is that he also doesn't know.

Gman
08-27-2021, 09:32
Anyone but Trump they said...

As long as we no longer have to live with mean tweets, the world is a better place.

#orangemanbad

Irving
08-27-2021, 09:37
Exactly what'd I'd expect from our men. There was no doubt in my mind our soldiers were leaving the airport despite orders to stay. It's amazing that SF vets flew to Kabul and ran their own missions to get people out. Good on them. That's what what defines bravery. These guys are 'Merica AF. F'in heros.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9932809/Afghanistan-evacuation-continues-day-ISIS-bomb-kills-13-troops-90-Afghans.html

Very glad to hear this.

.455_Hunter
08-27-2021, 09:44
Exactly what'd I'd expect from our men. There was no doubt in my mind our soldiers were leaving the airport despite orders to stay. It's amazing that SF vets flew to Kabul and ran their own missions to get people out. Good on them. That's what what defines bravery. These guys are 'Merica AF. F'in heros.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9932809/Afghanistan-evacuation-continues-day-ISIS-bomb-kills-13-troops-90-Afghans.html

That's outstanding!

colorider
08-27-2021, 10:03
Exactly what'd I'd expect from our men. There was no doubt in my mind our soldiers were leaving the airport despite orders to stay. It's amazing that SF vets flew to Kabul and ran their own missions to get people out. Good on them. That's what what defines bravery. These guys are 'Merica AF. F'in heros.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9932809/Afghanistan-evacuation-continues-day-ISIS-bomb-kills-13-troops-90-Afghans.html

Rumor has it that Black Rifle Coffee funded and chartered the flight to get them into Afghanistan. Apparently several of the vets are tight with Black Rifle.

hollohas
08-27-2021, 10:14
Rumor has it that Black Rifle Coffee funded and chartered the flight to get them into Afghanistan. Apparently several of the vets are tight with Black Rifle.

That wouldn't surprise me. Evan Hafer had some pretty strong criticism of what's going on over there...


We’ve been in an active, engaged firefight with the Taliban for 20 years. How is it that nobody understood what was going to happen? Every E-4 that’s ever fought in Afghanistan — E-4 meaning a kid that’s probably the average age of 22 with it just above a high school education — knew this that was going to happen. So how is it that supposed professional diplomats and we’ll call it diplomatic, elite Military officers didn’t understand that. I’ll tell you why, because they’ve been disconnected from the reality of war for 20 years, sitting in board rooms with pressed uniforms and thick coffee tables, drinking Perrier, talking about what it’s like to fight a war. they’re not asking the right questions because they’re not warfighters. They’re empty suits that continue to espouse political ideology that has been failed over and over and over again. We can’t fight a war with politically correct agendas.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/black-rifle-coffee-ceo-sets-the-record-straight-on-afghan-interpreters-they-love-america/

hollohas
08-27-2021, 10:17
And this.

https://coffeeordie.com/inside-kabul-airport-death-metal/

earplug
08-27-2021, 16:39
Read about the fall of Corregidor and Singapore and the bombing of the Beirut Towers and even a REMF can predict the future.
I'm guessing the parameter of Kabul Airport is similar to Colorado Springs.
Five entry points all crowded and a limited amount of good guys on the ground because its a withdrawal operation combined with a adhoc rescue evacuation.
Impossible to screen the outside parameter.
Why didn't crowd control reinvent the bayonet? Its been a impossible operation run by yes men.

flogger
08-28-2021, 08:32
So we did a drone airstrike on ISIS-K command post (?) East of the airport that supposedly took out the planner of the suicide bomb attack in Kabul.

I don't doubt that our military has the intel to track these guys down, just wonder why they let it happen in the first place and why they are holding back on throwing more punches!

Maybe the Taliban will see this and get the message.

On a side note, the UAV strike reminds me of the 2017 movie 'Drone'. A Pakistani man tracks down the UAV operator (in the US) who accidently killed his wife and daughter.

Great-Kazoo
08-28-2021, 14:27
So we did a drone airstrike on ISIS-K command post (?) East of the airport that supposedly took out the planner of the suicide bomb attack in Kabul.

I don't doubt that our military has the intel to track these guys down, just wonder why they let it happen in the first place and why they are holding back on throwing more punches!

Maybe the Taliban will see this and get the message.

On a side note, the UAV strike reminds me of the 2017 movie 'Drone'. A Pakistani man tracks down the UAV operator (in the US) who accidently killed his wife and daughter.

2 "terrorist" does not atone for this administrations actions that had trump done this . Would be on trial for treason. Besides 2 terrorist is nothing to them.

JohnnyDrama
08-28-2021, 21:05
... Besides 2 terrorist is nothing to them.

Didn't two terrorists kill themselves in the attacks?

It's like we haven't learned anything since the Marine barracks was bombed in 1983. The terrorists are not only not afraid to die but gladly do so.

Great-Kazoo
08-28-2021, 23:47
Didn't two terrorists kill themselves in the attacks?

It's like we haven't learned anything since the Marine barracks was bombed in 1983. The terrorists are not only not afraid to die but gladly do so.

True. there's so many standing in line to strap that vest on. I believe they actually do a koran, burka, scissors, to see who gets to meet allah.

flogger
08-29-2021, 07:22
Interesting that we used a "Ginsu Bomb" on that ISIS-K kill in Afghanistan this week. Modified Hellfire with no warhead, just 6 long knife blades that deploy right before impact.

Supposed to cut down on collateral damage. 87324

SideShow Bob
08-29-2021, 07:40
Talk about being a surgical strike……….

Gman
08-29-2021, 08:39
2 "terrorist" does not atone for this administrations actions that had trump done this . Would be on trial for treason. Besides 2 terrorist is nothing to them.

Made some new martyrs for the cause.

hollohas
08-29-2021, 12:10
Interesting that we used a "Ginsu Bomb" on that ISIS-K kill in Afghanistan this week. Modified Hellfire with no warhead, just 6 long knife blades that deploy right before impact.

Supposed to cut down on collateral damage. 87324Remember seeing one of these used when Trump was in office too. They dropped it right on a car with some bady inside. Car was mostly intact set aside some nasty slices in the roof and broken glass.. occupants? Not so much...

hollohas
08-29-2021, 12:14
I think this was when some high up Al Qaeda dude was killed in Syria.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210829/ce75602abadc3cc84618b6e158caa6c8.jpg

FoxtArt
08-29-2021, 12:53
The ginsue has a ban hammer for life.

flogger
08-29-2021, 13:08
I think this was when some high up Al Qaeda dude was killed in Syria.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210829/ce75602abadc3cc84618b6e158caa6c8.jpg

Yikes! Looks like an effective way to eliminate someone without blowing up an acre sized area.

Scanker19
08-29-2021, 13:23
Yikes! Looks like an effective way to eliminate someone without blowing up an acre sized area.

If I remember correctly that’s exactly what they’re designed to do. Limit collateral damage.

Great-Kazoo
08-29-2021, 15:53
Yikes! Looks like an effective way to eliminate someone without blowing up an acre sized area.


Wonder if there's a salvage title on that unit.

Low mileage, never driven by an infidel. As allah is my witness, this baby will give you many more years of happiness.

.

اسأل عن الضمان الممتد ( ask about our extended warranty)

Jayhawk
08-29-2021, 15:59
Warning Sarcasm: Does anyone want to bet that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs: General Mark Milley, Commander of Central Command: General Ken McKenzie, Secretary of Defense: Ret. General Lloyd Austin, will each as individuals receive more awards, medals, and decorations, then any one of the thirteen service members that were killed.

flogger
08-29-2021, 16:26
Wonder if there's a salvage title on that unit.

Low mileage, never driven by an infidel. As allah is my witness, this baby will give you many more years of happiness.

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اسأل عن الضمان الممتد ( ask about our extended warranty)

You forgot to mention the sunroof!

Great-Kazoo
08-29-2021, 17:09
You forgot to mention the sunroof!

[Beer]

hollohas
08-29-2021, 19:51
Uh oh. Not exactly limited collateral damage this time. AP says 9 people killed in the strike today. 6 of them young kids.

JohnnyDrama
08-29-2021, 20:43
Uh oh. Not exactly limited collateral damage this time. AP says 9 people killed in the strike today. 6 of them young kids.

The leadership travels with their family. It's a tribal system. Not that far removed from the guild system western Europe developed towards the end of the Middle Ages. When families stay together, The "family business" can be passed to the next generation. The children can also be viewed as shields. Those who survive to carry on said "family business" are hardened veterans who have witnessed death up close and personal.

Gman
08-30-2021, 00:37
Yikes! Looks like an effective way to eliminate someone without blowing up an acre sized area.

It's a kinetic weapon, so precision is required.

flogger
08-30-2021, 06:42
It's going to be a tense couple of days as the deadline for evacuations approaches.

Gman
08-30-2021, 07:55
...and the 20th anniversary of 9/11 is coming up.

hollohas
08-30-2021, 08:10
Dan Crenshaw is saying that passport holding American citizens are still arriving at the airport gates and are now being turned away.

Sawin
08-30-2021, 08:15
Hold Them Accountable.... -Chad Prather

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrvXwe0AnMU&t=97s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrvXwe0AnMU&t=97s

Great-Kazoo
08-30-2021, 12:27
What can one say.

When 1 .mil is congratulated ( Vindman ) for speaking out against a president.



And another is cancelled?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX55HEX0hb0

hollohas
08-30-2021, 15:53
Oh, they're not just telling active duty to keep their mouths shut, they are busy "reminding" retired soldiers to stay silent as well.

Eric P
08-30-2021, 15:55
Oh, they're not just telling active duty to keep their mouths shut, they are busy "reminding" retired soldiers to stay silent as well.

Or else what?

earplug
08-30-2021, 16:00
I'm waiting since mid October for a Form 1 tax stamp?

Great-Kazoo
08-30-2021, 16:36
Or else what?

Demotion, discharge, detainment.

TEAMRICO
08-30-2021, 17:40
Or else what?

DFAS will suddenly have issues with your pay…..unexpectedly of course.

Eric P
08-30-2021, 18:09
Demotion, discharge, detainment.

If you are retired?

Ah Pook
08-30-2021, 19:07
If you are retired?

Wondering the same thing. This admin is so FUBAR, will they block retired vets from reentering the states? To me, that is a lynch pin.

flogger
08-30-2021, 19:24
It might have already been posted but here it is again. As I have heard, this debacle in military strategy will be studied for centuries (if we have that long) by Tacticians as a WTF moment that really stained our status as a World Power.

List of weapons and vehicles we abandoned (or the Afghan Army abandoned) that are now in the hands of the Taliban. Someone needs to answer to this avoidable disaster, talking about the Biden administration, Senate, Congress and these airheads calling the shots in the Military. F-heads!

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Great-Kazoo
08-30-2021, 20:44
If you are retired?

Loss of benefits and retirement. This administration and it's henchmen, ok woman, after what i saw today. Have no qualms about erasing any and all opposition. from the education system, to D.C, and everyone in between .



E.T.A: I have not been at this level of outrage, since 9/11
Which is when. Oh yeah 2 days from now.

WHEN this twatwad of a not present dent, was going to hand over the keys to Afghanistan.

flogger
08-30-2021, 20:57
Hold Them Accountable.... -Chad Prather

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrvXwe0AnMU&t=97s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrvXwe0AnMU&t=97s

It won't happen while all these cowards are backed up by more 'voting' cowards that keep them in power.

Getting ripe for a revolution?

MrPrena
08-30-2021, 21:28
that can be a size of small EU country's arsenal.

JohnnyDrama
08-30-2021, 21:40
It might have already been posted but here it is again. As I have heard, this debacle in military strategy will be studied for centuries (if we have that long) by Tacticians as a WTF moment that really stained our status as a World Power.

List of weapons and vehicles we abandoned (or the Afghan Army abandoned) that are now in the hands of the Taliban. Someone needs to answer to this avoidable disaster, talking about the Biden administration, Senate, Congress and these airheads calling the shots in the Military. F-heads!

87354

Agree 100%

I thought about the debacle in Afghanistan and how it might be studied. One perspective might portray the US as having been preoccupied with social justice concerns and politics to see what was happening on the ground. Another scenario, depending on who writes the history is to whitewash the event and pretend it never happened. With the hardware the Taliban now has, they will be a force to be reckoned with - at least locally. How far they can project influence with their new assets has yet to be seen. It will also likely decide how history views this shit show.

As far as accountability, military and political leaders have faced firing squads, the hangman's noose, and the guillotine for far less. I don't expect any of those outcomes in this instance.

hollohas
08-30-2021, 21:40
It's all coming together. How much longer can this build? It's everywhere. It's everything.

At the same time our government retards in charge stained our reputation for generations to come from the unbelievable fuck up in Afghanistan. When they destroyed what worldwide respect we had left (did you see China announced today they will crack down on all travel in their "territorial waters"?). They are destroying military moral. They destroyed our borders. The needless covid restrictions are ramping up as bad as ever, but this time squarely focused on the younger crowd and vindictive as ever. They aren't even trying to pretend "science" anymore. Oh, they won't shutdown businesses this time. But they will shutdown schools (our school was forced to send 79 kids and staff home today because 7 tested positive) and get people fired for not vaxing. And many private Christian schools will be forced to close completely soon because they won't force their staff to get the vax. It's going to happen. Also this week .gov announced their "transitory inflation" estimate for 4 qtr of 2.2% was a bit off. It's really going to be 4.8%. And in my industry, materials that used to take a few days to get now take 30+ weeks. Not just one or two things, but dozens of entire product categories simply can't be found. Infinite backorders. Think the economy can simply ignore that? Gas prices are up. Gas stations are running out. Delivery drivers can't be found. Still to this day the grocery store has at least some empty shelves every time I go.

Oh, and DOD refused to allow private rescue teams bring home the military dogs. Around 50 of them. You heard that right. DOD refused to even let other groups bring the DOGS home. The freaking military dogs got left behind. Ok, so you can't bring home 600,000 rifles too easy, but you CAN absolutely get a few dogs on the plane. They didn't even have to go find them all. The dogs were at the airport, waiting for a ride that they weren't allowed to get on. That's just fucked up.

Sorry for the rambling and off topic post, but this Afghanistan shit is just more on the pile that can't possibly take much more..
This has got to come to a head soon.

Rooskibar03
08-30-2021, 21:52
From Don Jr IG page. Didn’t take them long to get those birds airborne and put them to use.

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Bailey Guns
08-30-2021, 22:15
Sorry for the rambling and off topic post, but this Afghanistan shit is just more on the pile that can't possibly take much more..
This has got to come to a head soon.

I'm so totally confused, bewildered, angry, sad...that this government has done this. This didn't just happen. This was created out of incompetence and ineptitude. I can't comprehend all of the bad that's going on right now. It's almost surreal.

Saw the dog thing... Fucking rage.

Almost 61 years old and I've never seen anything like this in my life. Early on I said this was exactly like Saigon when Biden was saying it wasn't. I was wrong. This is nothing like Saigon. 7 months... That's how long it took Joe Biden to bring the country to it's knees in front of the world.

wctriumph
08-31-2021, 00:50
He is almost out now. As prophesied he will leave office, Kamala moves in and has a hard left VP selected for her to promote. Then she proves unable to do the job and they get her out of the way. Then new commie in charge has his VP selected. This will all happen before the 2022 election.

China will take Taiwan and the world will not do anything because there will not be any effort or leadership from the US. Our troops will be brought home from S Korea and N Korea will break the armistice and invade. Iran will buy or build a nuclear bomb and nuke Israel. It would not surprise me if Russian aggression annexed a couple of countries as well.

Just my opinion which no one should take seriously …

Gman
08-31-2021, 02:08
I'm so totally confused, bewildered, angry, sad...that this government has done this. This didn't just happen. This was created out of incompetence and ineptitude. I can't comprehend all of the bad that's going on right now. It's almost surreal.

Saw the dog thing... Fucking rage.

Almost 61 years old and I've never seen anything like this in my life. Early on I said this was exactly like Saigon when Biden was saying it wasn't. I was wrong. This is nothing like Saigon. 7 months... That's how long it took Joe Biden to bring the country to it's knees in front of the world.

I don't believe it's incompetence or ineptitude. It's INTENTIONAL.

00tec
08-31-2021, 02:38
It is treasonous
No matter the desire,
No matter the statement
The American taxpayers armed those goatfuckin' sons of hitches for the next 3 decades.
The R's did no better.. they were armed and prepped before 2k.



ALL POLITICIANS SHOULD SERVE 2 TERMS
1 In office
1In prison

Singlestack
08-31-2021, 06:57
I don't believe it's incompetence or ineptitude. It's INTENTIONAL.

This. While I do believe the administration is both corrupt and incompetent to the core, when you have the time to plan to get all Americans out, publicly pledge to do that (notwithstanding saving the friendly Afghan families to helped us all those years) and then don't - with zero remorse - that is just flat out evil. The utter contempt they have for American citizens is shocking. They have proven they don't have our backs. Couple that with how casually and consistently they label Americans here as racists, every kind of phobe you can imagine, and now terrorists, what are we to think of our leaders? Not only do they not have our back in any sense of the word, to use their own term, they treat us as existential threats. Can we even get to the next election?

BPTactical
08-31-2021, 07:31
This. While I do believe the administration is both corrupt and incompetent to the core, when you have the time to plan to get all Americans out, publicly pledge to do that (notwithstanding saving the friendly Afghan families to helped us all those years) and then don't - with zero remorse - that is just flat out evil. The utter contempt they have for American citizens is shocking. They have proven they don't have our backs. Couple that with how casually and consistently they label Americans here as racists, every kind of phobe you can imagine, and now terrorists, what are we to think of our leaders? Not only do they not have our back in any sense of the word, to use their own term, they treat us as existential threats. Can we even get to the next election?


HA!
Election?
After the 2020 mess you still think "elections" are a valid thing? Dominion and D voter "Rights" rule and law changes will ensure otherwise.


P.S. we can't vote our way out of this........

Gman
08-31-2021, 08:01
Word.

Squeeze
08-31-2021, 08:30
Here's what ticks me off. Biden at a press conference was asked if he takes "accountability" for what has unfolded in recent weeks in Afghanistan. Biden stated, "I bear responsibility for fundamentally all that's happened...of late, but here's the deal, you know I wish you one day say these things. You know as well as I do that former president made a deal with the Taliban that we get all American forces out of Afghanistan by May 1."

So he admits responsibility, then proceeds to blame former President Trump. (Typical Progressive Leftist behavior). I have a former friend of mine who became a huge Biden supporter in the last few years. He keeps complaining that this wouldn't of unfolded had President Trump made the deal with the Taliban to begin with. Such BS. I'm surprised President Trump was able to get as much done as he did in 4 years considering all the crap he had to deal with from Pelosi. Biden's administration had to be 100% aware of Trump's deal with the Taliban. Immediately after that dimwit taking office, they should've been talking with the Taliban about extending the deadline if need be. Trump negotiated peace wit the Taliban to keep their guns pointed away from U.S. forces so we could safely evacuate from that shit hole. Had Trump gotten re-elected, I don't doubt he would've had our troops, U.S. citizens and allies out of there by the deadline. The deaths of my fellow Marines and Corpsman are on Biden and his administration's hands.

hollohas
08-31-2021, 09:10
The Biden admin is friends with the Taliban. They said they had the same goals. That the US is relying on the Taliban. Over and over again they said those two things. What do those two things sound like??? There's a word for groups with that relationship, allies. F'n allies.

The difference between Trump's dealings with the Taliban and the Biden admin's is Trump still saw them as enemies and treated them as such. Biden is treating them as allies. That's how this got fubared, treating terrorists as allies.

Meanwhile, back here, people who don't want a pissant shot they don't need are being labeled and treated as terrorists.

When a gov makes its own people it's enemy, the gov becomes the enemy of the people. That's where we are. Right now.

clodhopper
08-31-2021, 09:12
87354

As much as I hate to give any support for biden or whatnot, but I gotta say this. The graphic suggests all that equipment is in operating order and totals up new costs. None of that stuff is anywhere near new, and I would put money on the fact that much of it is non-operable. It was on an inventory list, but OOS and on a back lot to be a parts doner. I am mostly talking about aircraft and large items. Rifles/Radios level are probably the same, but who knows as that stuff is a bit easier to dispose of when it goes bad. We know some of it is still working as the Talies are happy to post video of them using some of it. I get that we were providing equipment to the Afghan army and I dont know the status of the transfer, but they up and disappeared a while ago. As soon as they jumped and we understood that they would not be in control of this stuff, men should have been tasked to use the leftover demolitions to render it all out of service. Oversight or simply there were more important things to do.

Singlestack
08-31-2021, 09:25
As much as I hate to give any support for biden or whatnot, but I gotta say this. The graphic suggests all that equipment is in operating order and totals up new costs. None of that stuff is anywhere near new, and I would put money on the fact that much of it is non-operable. It was on an inventory list, but OOS and on a back lot to be a parts doner. I am mostly talking about aircraft and large items. Rifles/Radios level are probably the same, but who knows as that stuff is a bit easier to dispose of when it goes bad. We know some of it is still working as the Talies are happy to post video of them using some of it. I get that we were providing equipment to the Afghan army and I dont know the status of the transfer, but they up and disappeared a while ago. As soon as they jumped and we understood that they would not be in control of this stuff, men should have been tasked to use the leftover demolitions to render it all out of service. Oversight or simply there were more important things to do.

Where's your evidence of that. Or is it just unfounded opinion?

RblDiver
08-31-2021, 09:33
He is almost out now. As prophesied he will leave office, Kamala moves in and has a hard left VP selected for her to promote. Then she proves unable to do the job and they get her out of the way. Then new commie in charge has his VP selected. This will all happen before the 2022 election.


Well, in theory this wouldn't happen, because it'd require a majority vote in both houses to select a new VP, and so if the R's in the Senate held strong, no such person could win a majority vote (as there'd be no VP to break a tie).

BPTactical
08-31-2021, 09:48
One question:

What ever happened to "We don't negotiate with terrorists."



https://youtu.be/gXK6C2rPm1E

clodhopper
08-31-2021, 09:49
Where's your evidence of that. Or is it just unfounded opinion?

Maybe you missed where I said "I would put money on...". Part of this is from my time managing equipment fleets and arguing with accounting about what is supposed to be on an inventory list and what isnt. Part of it is simply seeing vids of whatever in afghan showing helos with destroyed windscreens and other vehicles non-op. Part of it is knowing the graphic was created by biden's enemies to make him look as bad as possible. Part of it is knowing this equipment has been in the "desert" (harsh enviro of Afgahn) for years, and equipment depreciates quick in those conditions. Part is just reasonable intuition and logical thinking.

clodhopper
08-31-2021, 09:50
One question:

What ever happened to "We don't negotiate with terrorists."


ThAt WaS TruMp's PlAn. wE kNoW BeTtEr.

earplug
08-31-2021, 10:12
Its a easy fix, recategorize terrorists into government partners or allies.

FoxtArt
08-31-2021, 10:24
Where's your evidence of that. Or is it just unfounded opinion?

Can't say he's too wrong. Tons of our own arsenal and aircraft are in inop condition even things such as the F22 and F35. With things like mine-resistant vehicles it's too expensive to ship back especially if it is for scrap. There is no question a proportion of the vehicles are inoperable when we (or more appropriately, the paper afghan army) left them.

That said, I suspect a majority of the equipment is serviceable and most of it sources from the mostly-paper afgan army. Peoples perspective (especially liberal) of "aww, it doesn't matter, our stuff breaks down so fast they won't be able to use it" ignores the fact that these people are out driving around in vehicles that 100% would've been in US junkyards 15 years ago. Shit might be wired together and taped, parts might be cobbled together with junkyard sheet metal and tac welds, but they do in fact keep things running a long time...

clodhopper
08-31-2021, 10:46
Peoples perspective (especially liberal) of "aww, it doesn't matter, our stuff breaks down so fast they won't be able to use it" ignores the fact that these people are out driving around in vehicles that 100% would've been in US junkyards 15 years ago. Shit might be wired together and taped, parts might be cobbled together with junkyard sheet metal and tac welds, but they do in fact keep things running a long time...

It seems common that the people of the area are viewed as uneducated and backward. Some may be, and the term "educated" can be debated, but I will tell you that there is plenty of sharp and capable people there who have learned to solve problems in unique ways to keep life moving forward. Their skills are different, the way they tackle an problem is different, but they can get it done. Much of our maintenance systems are to limit liability and foster better responsibility, and has little to nothing to do with how that equipment will function in the field. For someone with nothing, a device that works 25% of the time is invaluable. For a US serviceman, less than 100% of the time is unacceptable. If you really have doubts about the ingenuity of the "uneducated masses" in this region, there are plenty of videos on youtube of the paki weapons manufacturers, guys rebuilding truck engines in the street, all kinds of stuff we would shake our heads at and refer to as meth inspired if done here in the US. There is alot we should be learning about how they have creatively solved problems.

clodhopper
08-31-2021, 10:56
Get em while you can.

https://afghanybay.com/

MrPrena
08-31-2021, 11:20
"it's Bush's fault."

.....since 2008.



enough!



eta: seriously no more of Bush's fault. it's 2021....

hollohas
08-31-2021, 11:26
Get em while you can.

https://afghanybay.com/Think they take care of customs? Or is that on the buyer?

Bailey Guns
08-31-2021, 11:39
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JvBnaZOYlLcD/

Yeah...it happened to me once. I lost my passport and got stranded in Geneva. It was horrible.

Is every single person in this administration a fucking asshole?

kidicarus13
08-31-2021, 12:08
The US military says it permanently disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft before leaving Kabul so they could 'never be used again'

Ryan Pickrell

Aug 30, 2021, 6:23 PM


[https://i-insider-com]A view of the C-17 Globemaster preparing to depart from the Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, on August 29.?MARCUS YAM / LOS ANGELES TIMES via Getty Images

The last manned US military aircraft departed the airport in Kabul on Monday.

The US disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft when the military departed, a US general said.

The Taliban captured an arsenal of operational US-made weapons when it defeated the Afghan army.

The last manned US military aircraft have departed Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, ending almost two decades of war in Afghanistan, Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie, the head of US Central Command, said on Monday afternoon.
Asked about military equipment left behind at the airport, McKenzie said that some was brought out. Other systems, he said, were "demilitarized," meaning US forces purposely broke them to prevent them from being used, CENTCOM clarified for Insider.
The counter rocket, artillery, and mortar systems, which were used to fend off a rocket attack on the airport on Monday, were kept online until the last minute and then demilitarized.
"We demilitarized those systems so that they'll never be used again," McKenzie said. "We felt it more important to protect our forces than to bring those systems back."

The general further explained that demilitarized equipment included 70 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles "that will never again be used by anyone," 27 Humvees "that will never be driven again," and 73 aircraft that "will never fly again." Many of the aircraft were not mission capable anyway.
"They'll never be able to be operated by anyone again," the CENTCOM commander said.
McKenzie added that some systems, such as fire trucks and front-end loaders, were left operational so that the airport could restart operations as soon as possible.
Even if the Taliban, which rapidly seized control of Afghanistan earlier this month in a sweeping offensive, is unable to use any of the systems the US military did not take with it when it departed the Kabul airport, the group has been able to get its hands on plenty of other working systems.

clodhopper
08-31-2021, 12:59
The US military says it permanently disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft before leaving Kabul so they could 'never be used again'

Good! Seems like a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers of vehicles left behind. But I will take it.

thebolt
08-31-2021, 13:37
The world is laughing at the United States

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpF8XWYHzU

Gman
08-31-2021, 18:31
The US military says it permanently disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft before leaving Kabul so they could 'never be used again'

Ryan Pickrell

Aug 30, 2021, 6:23 PM


[https://i-insider-com]A view of the C-17 Globemaster preparing to depart from the Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, on August 29.?MARCUS YAM / LOS ANGELES TIMES via Getty Images

The last manned US military aircraft departed the airport in Kabul on Monday.

The US disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft when the military departed, a US general said.

The Taliban captured an arsenal of operational US-made weapons when it defeated the Afghan army.

The last manned US military aircraft have departed Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, ending almost two decades of war in Afghanistan, Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie, the head of US Central Command, said on Monday afternoon.
Asked about military equipment left behind at the airport, McKenzie said that some was brought out. Other systems, he said, were "demilitarized," meaning US forces purposely broke them to prevent them from being used, CENTCOM clarified for Insider.
The counter rocket, artillery, and mortar systems, which were used to fend off a rocket attack on the airport on Monday, were kept online until the last minute and then demilitarized.
"We demilitarized those systems so that they'll never be used again," McKenzie said. "We felt it more important to protect our forces than to bring those systems back."

The general further explained that demilitarized equipment included 70 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles "that will never again be used by anyone," 27 Humvees "that will never be driven again," and 73 aircraft that "will never fly again." Many of the aircraft were not mission capable anyway.
"They'll never be able to be operated by anyone again," the CENTCOM commander said.
McKenzie added that some systems, such as fire trucks and front-end loaders, were left operational so that the airport could restart operations as soon as possible.
Even if the Taliban, which rapidly seized control of Afghanistan earlier this month in a sweeping offensive, is unable to use any of the systems the US military did not take with it when it departed the Kabul airport, the group has been able to get its hands on plenty of other working systems.

At least 1 of the Blackhawks is flying. The photo of the Afghan hung at the end of a rope on one of our birds really makes that statement ring hollow.

hollohas
09-01-2021, 07:27
Read this.

https://justthenews.com/government/security/were-americans-people-screaming-outside-gates-kabul-airport-turned-away

Michael Yon was busy trying, along with many others, to coordinate the rescue of Americans and here are some details. He has texts with an Army Colonel in which they were trying to get American citizens through, who standing at the gates waving passports. He was told the State Department ordered them not to let people through. Yon and other private citizens and vets provided contact info, passport pictures, locations, etc. to the .gov of people who needed evac'd. Many of them made it through checkpoints and to the gate only to be refused entry by the US. Yon says they had 3 privately funded empty planes for these people yet they still weren't let in.

Gman
09-01-2021, 07:44
That's what I'm hearing and reading as well. American citizens with passports were either left at the airport or were not allowed to enter the gates.

Nothing but lies from the Biden Admin. I guess I'm not surprised. Let me know when they start telling the truth.

Bailey Guns
09-01-2021, 08:09
Maybe we could surround the WH with a million pissed off, screaming people...see how Biden feels then. See how he feels when he can't get help.

Bailey Guns
09-01-2021, 08:10
Nothing but lies from the Biden Admin. I guess I'm not surprised. Let me know when they start telling the truth.

I wouldn't hold your breath...

Great-Kazoo
09-01-2021, 08:28
I wouldn't hold your breath...

What use to be canned laughter used on t.v. comedy shows. Has now been replaced by what they call, the Harris Cackle.

hollohas
09-01-2021, 08:46
Maybe we could surround the WH with a million pissed off, screaming people...see how Biden feels then. See how he feels when he can't get help.

Turns out the FBI will hunt you down and put you in jail without speedy trial for that sort of thing. I just love being FREE.

flogger
09-01-2021, 09:02
Three EMPTY planes, let that sink in.

Singlestack
09-01-2021, 09:13
Given everything that has happened, I honestly don't believe gross incompetence explains it. I'm now of the belief that the CiC and those around him are fundamentally evil people at their core. You just can't treat American citizens that way. Not a question of hatred of those on the right. Americans try8ing to get out are of all stripes of political belief, religion, etc. They are just people, and they are our brothers and sisters who we all should care deeply about. Just a matter of human decency, or not.

Bailey Guns
09-01-2021, 10:26
I hate to agree with BHO... But he did warn people not to underestimate Biden's ability to fuck things up...

hollohas
09-01-2021, 11:29
The Taliban victory parade today showcasing all their new to them vehicles sure appears that it's not all as in-op as we all hoped.

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1433027771140395012

clodhopper
09-01-2021, 12:55
But, to support the idea that equipment wasnt left in operable condition....

https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliban-fighters-helicopters-kabul-airport-afghanistan

cant tell if I am laughing at the author or the supposed taliban response.

Bailey Guns
09-01-2021, 13:04
The vehicles in that vide look pretty "op" capable to me. I'm sure some stuff was de-milled...I'm also sure not enough of it was.

BushMasterBoy
09-01-2021, 13:22
If you are retired?

Or they just use law enforcement to rob you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-former-marine-was-pulled-over-for-following-a-truck-too-closely-police-took-nearly-87-000-of-his-cash/ar-AANZc30?ocid=winp1taskbar

Gman
09-01-2021, 13:58
But, to support the idea that equipment wasnt left in operable condition....

https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliban-fighters-helicopters-kabul-airport-afghanistan

cant tell if I am laughing at the author or the supposed taliban response.

That's just the stuff at the airport.

But, yeah, too bad so sad.

earplug
09-01-2021, 14:01
Curious as to the numbers on equipment left behind. What was given to the Afghanistan government verses what was US Government property. What was owned by contractors?
Its all just BS to keep us fighting over crap issues.

clodhopper
09-01-2021, 14:19
Its all just BS to keep us fighting over crap issues.

HEY!! I take offense to your statement! Wanna step outside and settle it!?!?



[ROFL1]

BushMasterBoy
09-01-2021, 14:26
All the media can do to keep us off the UFO/UAP incidents. I'm not even concerned about the Taliban affecting my personal well being. But a superior civilization that can travel from the stars? The Afghanistan debacle is merely a distraction.

TRnCO
09-01-2021, 14:28
At least 1 of the Blackhawks is flying. The photo of the Afghan hung at the end of a rope on one of our birds really makes that statement ring hollow.

I have a really hard time believing this was an actual pic. of a Taliban flying one of our Blackhawks. I mean come on, do we really believe that someone with zero copter flight training is going to just jump in and figure it out on their own at a moments notice. I'm not buying it. I certainly do believe that we left plenty of capable equipment left behind, but I don't see anyone figuring out how to use a helicopter without some training.

Gman
09-01-2021, 14:35
Yeah. Not sure. Not like we've never had someone with Army training turn on us (i.e. Ft. Hood).

MrPrena
09-01-2021, 14:41
Reminds me of this story.


https://youtu.be/HCzfsYg7OcY

hollohas
09-01-2021, 15:58
Most of that equipment was given to the Afghan military. We gave them the works so they had a chance to keep the country under control. Along with the equipment came training. You don't think the Taliban is smart enough to not kill all the Afghan pilots we trained? Hey Afghan military pilot guy, you are now a Taliban pilot or everyone you've ever known will be tortured/killed/enslaved. You will train more Taliban pilots until we have no use for you and then we'll kill you and everyone you know anyway.

hollohas
09-01-2021, 16:00
Or this story. 19 year old kid steal multiple planes and flies one to the Bahamas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colton_Harris_Moore

PS - he had NO flight training. Just read some manuals.

clodhopper
09-01-2021, 16:03
I have a really hard time believing this was an actual pic. of a Taliban flying one of our Blackhawks. I mean come on, do we really believe that someone with zero copter flight training is going to just jump in and figure it out on their own at a moments notice. I'm not buying it. I certainly do believe that we left plenty of capable equipment left behind, but I don't see anyone figuring out how to use a helicopter without some training.

We just spent years training Afghan military staff to use/operate our equipment with the expectation that we would equip the govt we leave behind to be able to manage the country. Overnight they all disappeared. Do you think it impossible for one our past trainees to now hold a position with the tallys? Any helo training and a little time would get a guy able to get a blackhawk aloft. Watch the vid, he wasnt burning and banking, he was slow parade mosey around the air.

Scanker19
09-01-2021, 16:05
I think it’s naive to assume the taliban can’t fly anything or is incapable of learning. They were running Afghanistan in 2001, they’ve managed to keep us busy for 20 years. They’re not cavemen with clubs, sadly. Evened underestimate your enemy. This isn’t the JV team…

Bailey Guns
09-01-2021, 17:20
Doesn't have to be Taliban/Afghan pilots. There are plenty of Pakistanis or other foreign nationals that are sympathetic to their cause. Or some Taliban dude that's not on anyone's radar got some flight training somewhere. It's not hard for me to believe at all.

Scanker19
09-01-2021, 17:40
Exactly.

I’m personally hoping they won’t be able to keep up logistically with repairs. But I’m sure we left the Afghan army a support package.

Bailey Guns
09-01-2021, 18:14
^^ I think that's probably best case. Stuff breaks and can't be fixed. Or can't be fixed easily or reliably. Then the fucker crashes with about 15 of those little bastards on board.

Great-Kazoo
09-01-2021, 18:32
I have a really hard time believing this was an actual pic. of a Taliban flying one of our Blackhawks. I mean come on, do we really believe that someone with zero copter flight training is going to just jump in and figure it out on their own at a moments notice. I'm not buying it. I certainly do believe that we left plenty of capable equipment left behind, but I don't see anyone figuring out how to use a helicopter without some training.

There's plenty of Paki's and chinese who do know how to fly them. We handed over who knows how much tech to pakistan and china.

hollohas
09-01-2021, 19:29
I'm just hoping the stuff we left is last year's model if you will. I mean, we gave them a bunch of A-29 aircraft. Not exactly cutting edge fighters there. Hoping the Blackhawks have severally outdated tech in them. That the night vision has old tubes. That none of it has GPS or transponders or sat or radios programmed for our encryption.

Hoping. Just hoping.

MrPrena
09-01-2021, 19:44
There's plenty of Paki's and chinese who do know how to fly them. We handed over who knows how much tech to pakistan and china.

GK beat me to it.

When is PRC gonna come in to Afghanistan?

[beatdeadhorse]

Singlestack
09-01-2021, 20:00
I'll bet they have been there for some time

Sawin
09-01-2021, 20:18
Who else is expecting something stupid on or around the 20th anniversary?

Great-Kazoo
09-01-2021, 20:19
GK beat me to it.

When is PRC gonna come in to Afghanistan?

[beatdeadhorse]



Rumore mill has it. They've already signed mineral and mining rights.

OldFogey
09-01-2021, 20:28
Rumore mill has it. They've already signed mineral and mining rights.

Yup. Pretty sure the Taliban won't care how the Chinese treat their brother Muslims the Uighurs when the renminbi start rolling in. Allah, allah, cash bar.

JohnnyDrama
09-01-2021, 20:30
^^ I think that's probably best case. Stuff breaks and can't be fixed. Or can't be fixed easily or reliably. Then the fucker crashes with about 15 of those little bastards on board.

I had a similar thought earlier. It's one thing to get a broken down HMMV up and going. A helicopter is very different. No small part of the trick is to have the machinery, the parts, and the mechanics in the same place. But as the Blackhawk is over 30 years old, and been used all over the sort, I'm sure it's probably not that hard to find "after market" gear and someone willing to install it.

flogger
09-01-2021, 20:53
Who else is expecting something stupid on or around the 20th anniversary?

I'm concerned, might not be anything 'here' but, yes. The time is ripe, we have equipped an enemy with some fine equipment , stepped aside and we have shown ourselves as pushovers.

Not sure this whole thing is turning out they way these military wizards thought it would.

The whole world will be watching to see what happens on the anniversary of 9/11 and how we will react.

Gman
09-01-2021, 20:57
If you're part of the military-industrial complex, the world going to shit is great for business.

theGinsue
09-01-2021, 22:27
Who else is expecting something stupid on or around the 20th anniversary?

As in: Public beheadings of left behind U.S. citizens filmed from within the former U.S. Embassy compound? Yeah, I expect it.

Gman
09-01-2021, 22:51
A piece of WTC was buried under the flag pole at the US Embassy. I have to wonder if they're going to return it to us as shrapnel at some point.

Great-Kazoo
09-01-2021, 23:06
If you're part of the military-industrial complex, the world going to shit is great for business.

Not really. There's a few .mil related industries, in the area. Both of them are having issues sourcing all sorts of small parts. .

Singlestack
09-02-2021, 06:37
On 9/11 the idiot will be screaming at us again spiking the football on what a perfect job he did in Afghanistan. Expect props, all of his co-liars standing behind him, and probably a military band playing hail to the chief

https://townhall.com/columnists/chrisstigall/2021/09/02/maybe-if-biden-yells-loud-enough-n2595183?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=09/02/2021&bcid=d4baa59646612a7bdf8424d87739c943&recip=19738960

kidicarus13
09-02-2021, 10:04
From Don Jr IG page. Didn?t take them long to get those birds airborne and put them to use.

87356https://www.thewrap.com/afghanistan-helicopter-cruz-crenshaw/


Ted Cruz, NY Post Falsely Pass Off Black Hawk Helicopter Video as a Taliban Hanging

????

Despite what Sen. Cruz tweeted, a video does not show a man being hanged in midair

[data:image/svg+xml;charset=utf-8,<svg height="96" width="96" xmlns="http://www][https://www-thewrap-com]Lindsey Ellefson| September 1, 2021 @ 11:27 AM

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Dan Crenshaw were among those who falsely declared Tuesday that a video showed Taliban fighters flying an American helicopter and hanging someone from it. The New York Post was duped, too, but wasn?t quite as credulous. The Post?wrote?a story on the man suspended from the helicopter, but noted it was ?not immediately clear exactly how he is attached or if he is alive.?
In fact, he was alive. The video was posted from a now-suspended account, but another video of the same flight?shows?the man waving. Both videos make it clear he is not suspended by his neck.
In a now-deleted tweet, Cruz wrote, ?This horrifying image encapsulates Joe Biden?s Afghanistan catastrophe. The Taliban hanging a man from an American Blackhawk helicopter. Tragic. Unimaginable.? He later issued a follow-up that said, ?It turns out the post I shared w/ a video of Taliban ?hanging a man? from a helicopter may be inaccurate. So I deleted the tweet.?
He?added?that it ?remains accurate? that ?the Taliban are brutal terrorists? and ?we left them millions in US military equipment, including Black Hawk helicopters.? He then?lashed out?at CNN for covering his original duping.
Crenshaw had not deleted his?tweet?by Wednesday afternoon. It read, ?In what f***ing world was it a good idea to just hand over a country to these people?? (Asterisks his.) Twitter appended a warning that ?this media is presented out of context.? Clicking on the warning brings users to a?page?of factual tweets about the flight, which actually shows a man trying to ?fix a flag over a public building? using ?newly-captured US-built equipment,? as reported by the BBC News.

In what f***ing world was it a good idea to just hand over a country to these people.?https://t.co/fyO2fnxmfz
? Dan Crenshaw (@DanCrenshawTX)?August 30, 2021





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Gman
09-02-2021, 10:28
It's difficult to tell what the truth is since you can't trust the "fact checkers" either.

So based on what you just posted, they are flying our birds. It's just the hanging part that is questioned? I imagine that they will only use them for humanitarian aid and treating their people well. [Smart]

00tec
09-02-2021, 10:31
It's difficult to tell what the truth is since you can't trust the "fact checkers" either.

So based on what you just posted, they are flying our birds. It's just the hanging part that is questioned? I imagine that they will only use them for humanitarian aid and treating their people well. [Smart]

They were flying a bird, and dude was suspended from it. However, he was not hanging by the neck, but was waving to the crowd apparently

kidicarus13
09-02-2021, 11:08
They were flying a bird, and dude was suspended from it. However, he was not hanging by the neck, but was waving to the crowd apparentlyYes. Sensationalism.

Aloha_Shooter
09-02-2021, 13:10
CNN and the rest of the mass media who have been operating as unofficial arms of the DNC will do or say anything to discredit those who oppose their agenda or who even just point out the holes in their stories. They are happy to take a misunderstanding or hasty assumption from one conservative (or just non-Socialist) like in Cruz's Tweet and use it to discredit others. I would note that Crenshaw's Tweet would stand alone even without that picture: in what world was it a good idea to just hand a country over to the Taliban?

hollohas
09-02-2021, 19:00
Saw this, thought it was funny. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210903/3a505dfd298c886964b92c904a7db7aa.jpg

Bailey Guns
09-02-2021, 19:27
And so true...

rondog
09-03-2021, 23:10
Sure would make me feel better if I knew that a few thousand thermite grenades had been utilized before we left.....

FoxtArt
09-04-2021, 08:40
On 9/11 the idiot will be screaming at us again spiking the football on what a perfect job he did in Afghanistan. Expect props, all of his co-liars standing behind him, and probably a military band playing hail to the chief

https://townhall.com/columnists/chrisstigall/2021/09/02/maybe-if-biden-yells-loud-enough-n2595183?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=09/02/2021&bcid=d4baa59646612a7bdf8424d87739c943&recip=19738960

"I forgot where I was going with this, those, that thing that happened, with the stuff, come on man, the building thing right? I like buildings. My son lives in a building."

hollohas
09-04-2021, 08:55
"And while we're talking about buildings (and terrorists) make sure you unvaxed terrorists stay in your buildings."

Gman
09-04-2021, 14:32
"I forgot where I was going with this, those, that thing that happened, with the stuff, come on man, the building thing right? I like buildings. My son lives in a building."

"Me and my son Beau built buildings."

Great-Kazoo
09-04-2021, 16:05
"And while we're talking about buildings (and terrorists) make sure you unvaxed terrorists stay in your buildings."

We're not NZ, yet.




I doubt a scenario would happen that would work, or be enforced, in this area.

BushMasterBoy
09-05-2021, 12:52
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7BCZCWlvEc

flogger
09-05-2021, 15:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7BCZCWlvEc

I miss those guys!

flogger
09-06-2021, 13:52
300 million dollars a day for 20 years. Not including the cost of equipment we left there and will pay to replace.

What a bunch of incompetent A-holes that have let it continue for that long.

You can bet the Military Industrial (shit-for-brains) Complex is ready and willing to re-supply equipment, probably already submitted bids and had them approved!!

F-ck Congress, R & D included. F-them.

hollohas
09-11-2021, 09:23
Times reporting has identified the driver as Zemari Ahmadi, a longtime worker for a U.S. aid group. The evidence, including extensive interviews with family members, co-workers and witnesses, suggests that his travels that day actually involved transporting colleagues to and from work. And an analysis of video feeds showed that what the military may have seen was Mr. Ahmadi and a colleague loading canisters of water into his trunk to bring home to his family.

While the U.S. military said the drone strike might have killed three civilians, Times reporting shows that it killed 10, including seven children, in a dense residential block.

Mr. Ahmadi, 43, had worked since 2006 as an electrical engineer for Nutrition and Education International, a California-based aid and lobbying group. The morning of the strike, Mr. Ahmadi?s boss called from the office at around 8:45 a.m., and asked him to pick up his laptop. ]


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/us-air-strike-drone-kabul-afghanistan-isis.html

hollohas
09-17-2021, 15:39
CENTCOM commander Gen McKenzie admitted today that they droned a family of 10, including 7 children. They weren't terrorists at all.

But hey, Biden got to tell us our soldiers were avenged. So all cool, right?

Isn't this a clear war crime? It's not like the bomb went off course and accidentally killed some innocents. It's not that the bad guys had kids around to act as a shield. They ordered that attack on a whim, it hit it's intended target and it killed 10 innocent people.

Not only did Biden make the Taliban great again, he made a new generation of people hate America too. People that were previously on our side. WTF.

Bailey Guns
09-17-2021, 16:39
How fucking incompetent and inept do you need to be for the NYT to have the correct answer a week before you do? I guarantee you the lowliest commander with the slightest connection to this will be the only one held accountable.

FoxtArt
09-17-2021, 17:17
How fucking incompetent and inept do you need to be for the NYT to have the correct answer a week before you do? I guarantee you the lowliest commander with the slightest connection to this will be the only one held accountable.

Much the same way it happened too. You know the orders were to find someone to drone strike with any slight, even questionable connection at all to the bombing ASAP "YESTERDAY" so they could get a political headline.

hollohas
09-17-2021, 17:22
Sounds like the ONLY evidence they had was they saw the car at a possible terrorist safe house. That's IT.

>Do we know who this guy is?

>Nope. Could be a terrorist, could be the dominos delivery guy.

>Welp, good enough, light that sucker up.

BushMasterBoy
09-17-2021, 17:37
The USG should stick to what it is good at. Covering up UFO's and cattle mutilations is easy, even I could do it. All I need is the starship, a small nuclear weapon and a EVA suit. Oh yeah, and a competent medical team to treat my wounds from the last time I served my country...

Bailey Guns
09-17-2021, 17:45
Sounds like the ONLY evidence they had was they saw the car at a possible terrorist safe house. That's IT.

>Do we know who this guy is?

>Nope. Could be a terrorist, could be the dominos delivery guy.

>Welp, good enough, light that sucker up.

They said they saw someone loading something into the car that was consistent with explosives. Except it was containers of water he was bringing home from the place where he worked.

MrPrena
09-17-2021, 19:16
if we get invaded by alien, I will make sure we don't load anything resembles explosive. I don't wanna get killed by green laser from mothership.

arbol
09-17-2021, 19:37
It's getting to that point, though today, through Governments unlimited surveillance budget, that you are a target.

Not aliens, just what our government is doing today.

We might want to limit Government?

flogger
09-17-2021, 20:14
They said they saw someone loading something into the car that was consistent with explosives. Except it was containers of water he was bringing home from the place where he worked.

2 large Pepperoni pizzas with extra C-4 .

hollohas
09-17-2021, 20:35
It's amazing to me that so many were SO scared of Trump being unstable, claiming he would literally nuke everyone, that US Generals think they must commit treason to stop him. Yet Trump was the least war prone president in decades.

And here we have dumb-dumb in Chief smoking an entire innocent family on purpose in his first 8 months in office. And no big deal. Wonder how many times Woke white hate Milley has called China to tell them he's got their back if Biden goes crazy.

That's how bad these "advisors'" judgement is. They truly thought the one president who wanted to avoid war more than any other in the last 30 years was going to nuke the world. These dipshits are advising our military strategy. Unbelievable and scary.

Gman
09-17-2021, 20:44
When Bob Woodward, a WaPo/MSNBC reporter, and the NY Times is more trustworthy than your own government, we are truly living in interesting times.

arbol
09-17-2021, 20:50
For those that missed it, the Government had to retract today, that their drone strike hit enemy targets. It hit a family, including children.

arbol
09-17-2021, 21:03
This is what they tried to sell us, as a "strong response" to the suicide bomber at the Kabul Airport, that killed 10 Americans and another 150 Afghanis.

kidicarus13
04-06-2023, 12:35
Sooo predictable! Trump's fault!
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/06/1168424901/biden-administration-assessment-afghanistan-withdrawal

Drucker
04-06-2023, 15:28
From a President with "The Buck stops Here" to a president with "it wasn't me" what a fall