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.455_Hunter
08-20-2021, 17:48
Bad news if you like "cheap" steel...
https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-united-states-imposes-additional-costs-on-russia-for-the-poisoning-of-aleksey-navalny/
Restrictions on the permanent imports of certain Russian firearms. New and pending permit applications for the permanent importation of firearms and ammunition manufactured or located in Russia will be subject to a policy of denial.
Looks like ammoseek is starting to roll-up again for 9mm...
hollohas
08-20-2021, 18:24
Yeah, that'll teach them.
Un freaking believable.
Guess they'll sell it all to the middle east and China now to make up for the loss in profits.
Wait. Keeping guns and ammo out of the hands of Americans is the way to punish Russia for the death of Aleksey Navalny? Riiiiiight.
.455_Hunter
08-20-2021, 18:33
And now, not suprisingly, ammoseek has taken a dump.
.455_Hunter
08-20-2021, 19:05
Aimsurplus now zero balance on all 7.62x39mm.
Sgammo only has the Yugo brass case corrosive stuff.
That was fast...
Wait. Keeping guns and ammo out of the hands of Americans is the way to punish Russia for the death of Aleksey Navalny? Riiiiiight.
Who is she? Are we doing this to make our Government feel good? Feel strong? Powerful, eh?
KevDen2005
08-20-2021, 19:10
Guess they'll sell it all to the middle east and China now to make up for the loss in profits.
Looks like Afghanistan is looking for more 5.56 these days
That'll help the ammunition panic. $10 says the rule makers bought a bunch of stock in ammunition companies the day before.
Aimsurplus now zero balance on all 7.62x39mm.
Sgammo only has the Yugo brass case corrosive stuff.
That was fast...
The Yugo stuff is actually pretty good. Just clean your rifle like a normal person and the corrosive primer isn't an issue. Honestly though living here in Colorado I shoot 7n6 out of my 74's all the time and don't clean them for months and have never had any issues with rust.
hollohas
08-20-2021, 19:17
And prices were starting to come back down....damn.
funkymonkey1111
08-20-2021, 22:15
wonder what a case of wolf 7.62x39 will be going for now?
Do you have a friend in the government? Maybe your sister, with a bottle of wine?
TEAMRICO
08-20-2021, 22:20
My ComBlocs are hunkering down for bit now.
Looks like Afghanistan is looking for more 5.56 these days
Heh, touche.
APEXgunparts
08-21-2021, 02:36
FAIR Members:
Today, the Biden Administration's State Department announced several actions in response to the Russian government's poisoning of Aleksey Navalny with a ?Novichok? nerve agent. Included in this response are sanctions under Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991:
1. Restrictions on the permanent imports of certain Russian firearms. New and pending permit applications for the permanent importation of firearms and ammunition manufactured or located in Russia will be subject to a policy of denial.
2. Additional Department of Commerce export restrictions on nuclear and missile-related goods and technology pursuant to the Export Control Reform Act of 2018.
These restrictions will go into effect once published in the Federal Register on September 7, 2021 and "remain in place for a minimum of 12 months. The sanctions can only be lifted after a 12-month period if the Executive Branch determines and certifies to Congress that Russia has met several conditions described in the CBW Act, 22 U.S.C. 5605(c)."
Fortunately, ATF has clarified that existing Forms 6 for the importation of Russian firearms and ammunition will not be suspended or revoked. Permits pending on September 7, will be denied.
It is still unclear if this will only impact "firearms" and "ammunition" as defined in Part 447, or other defense articles as well. Furthermore, it is unclear if Russian curio and relic firearms will be able to use the "5-year" exemption under 27 CFR 447.52(e).
We will continue to monitor this situation and provide updates as it progresses.
Best,
Mike Faucette
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Executive Director
F.A.I.R. Trade Group
M: (301) 873-2006
HERE is the link to the message posted on the US DoS web site:
Fact Sheet: United States Imposes Additional Costs on Russia for the Poisoning of Aleksey Navalny (https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-united-states-imposes-additional-costs-on-russia-for-the-poisoning-of-aleksey-navalny/)
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Cujo0920
08-21-2021, 08:38
Biden Administration Bans Importation of Russian Guns and Ammo
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/08/breaking-biden-administration-bans-importation-of-russian-guns-and-ammo/#axzz74BBndFP3
funkymonkey1111
08-21-2021, 08:57
Anyone know what the "permit" means? Does that mean that existing permits, clearly held by Wolf, Tula, and whoever manufactures Silver Bear/Golden Tiger/Red Army are free to continue importing ammo, and only new permits for "Ivan's New Ammo Concern" are denied?
Or, are the permits held by the established manufacturers on a per-import basis? E.g., does Tula have to have multiple, renewing permits to continue importation?
I don't believe any of those Russian companies have permits at all. Importers are U.S. based companies, they are what obtain permits and bring the international shipments in and comply with ITAR. It sounds like they are not revoking existing permits to avoid the plethora of litigation that would ensue, slapping what seems like an expiration on the sanction, and then - mark my words - they will indefinitely extend the "sanctions" for various reasons. As time marches on and these U.S. companies need to renew their permits, they will be unable to and the importation will cease entirely.
This is a backdoor way to achieve a permanent ban on importation of all Russian munitions/arms going forward, with little opposition, no legislation, and no judicial review.
.455_Hunter
08-21-2021, 09:51
This is a backdoor way to achieve a permanent ban on importation of all Russian munitions/arms going forward, with little opposition, no legislation, and no judicial review.
A future regime could reverse the policy, but it would have to be a priority for them.
whitewalrus
08-21-2021, 11:16
This will hurt the recovery of ammo in stock and prices. Just when I was waiting to buy some some more 7.62x39 too. Sigh
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As of this morning Sportsman's in Thornton has a bunch of the AK74 ammo, can't remember the size off the top of my head.
A future regime could reverse the policy, but it would have to be a priority for them.
And we all know it never is, and never happens. Just like these wonderful suppressors we can buy over the counter now...
As of this morning Sportsman's in Thornton has a bunch of the AK74 ammo, can't remember the size off the top of my head.
5.45x39
Which for the most part has already banned for years, very little of it is produced commercially.
As of this morning Sportsman's in Thornton has a bunch of the AK74 ammo, can't remember the size off the top of my head.
5.45 x 39?
hurley842002
08-21-2021, 14:13
If you hurry you can rush over to the trading post section and buy 1,000 rounds of Golden Tiger for $900, forget that Speer brass cased stuff also in the trading post, for $450 per 1,000....
If you hurry you can rush over to the trading post section and buy 1,000 rounds of Golden Tiger for $900, forget that Speer brass cased stuff also in the trading post, for $450 per 1,000....
No thanks, bought mine (also that fancy expensive Golden Tiger) when it was cheap at .20/rd.
Bought some wolf in 2013 at the panic price of .34/rd, really threw off my cost averaging.
eddiememphis
08-21-2021, 14:59
This was stated in Joe Biden's website before he was elected. He explicitly said he would ban all importation of forearms and ammunition.
Using sanctions as a reason gives it more legitimacy.
"We're punishing Russia, not trying to advance our agenda. See we love guns. Just not bullets (which are not mentioned in that silly Constitution thingy)."
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
Interestingly enough, there is now no mention of banning import and sales of all imported firearms and ammunition.
I know I have seen it and linked to it several time over the past few years.
No thanks, bought mine (also that fancy expensive Golden Tiger) when it was cheap at .20/rd.
Bought some wolf in 2013 at the panic price of .34/rd, really threw off my cost averaging.
since you are into dollar cost averaging, you can sell some FILO (first in last out) at higher price to lower the dca.
since you are into dollar cost averaging, you can sell some FILO (first in last out) at higher price to lower the dca.
[ROFL1]
Replace it with what?
beast556
08-21-2021, 20:08
If you hurry you can rush over to the trading post section and buy 1,000 rounds of Golden Tiger for $900, forget that Speer brass cased stuff also in the trading post, for $450 per 1,000....
It's sad how not even 24 hours have gone by and you have guys trying to take advantage of people. Pathetic
BushMasterBoy
08-21-2021, 23:57
The military-industrial complex has to make sure the Afghani tribesmen have ammo for their AK's. Or was Eisenhower wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y
Great-Kazoo
08-22-2021, 07:15
The military-industrial complex has to make sure the Afghani tribesmen have ammo for their AK's. Or was Eisenhower wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y
The current regime in power in Afghanistan is now using our weapons. Unless you missed the taliban parade, where they're carrying M-16's
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taliban-parade-new-weapons-seized-afghan-military-u-s-withdraws-n1273081
https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2021-08-20-taliban-parade-its-%22special%22-forces-with-american-weapons-and-white-clothes.ry-IiJspeF.html
A highly intelligent adversary facing an embedded insurgent foe might come up with a strategy to seem to withdraw and cede power to the adversary, using the opportunity to bring the insurgent forces out, identify all embedded insurgents and all the cracks in the domestic forces; going on to conduct a brutal purge of nearly all insurgents whom are now out of the shadows, as well as all nearly all insurgent corruption within domestic forces. Separating the wheat, from the chaff.
Unfortunately, we are Americans, with their re-election campaigns and political appointees, with woke politics making tactical decisions.
ETA: I forgot what thread I was in.... off topic. Back to discussion on ruskies.
TEAMRICO
08-22-2021, 13:55
Cheaper Than Dirt had TulAmmo 40 rd boxes for @$16.
I know I know CTD in the last panic but I ordered 15 boxes last night. Midway had some as well and I ordered my limit of three boxes of 40rd and some 20 rd boxes.
This should hold me for awhile.
Pretty much in line with what I think.. don't buy the panic.
87271
.455_Hunter
08-23-2021, 19:29
Pretty much in line with what I think.. don't buy the panic.
87271
I think part of the panic was the average shooter, myself included, having no clue about how much is authorized on a Form 6- one connex full, or two years of full connexes.
Prvi Partizan will be rich!
I think part of the panic was the average shooter, myself included, having no clue about how much is authorized on a Form 6- one connex full, or two years of full connexes.
Imports like this usually take years to complete. First they need to acquire all of the permits on both sides of the ocean before they even think about investing any money, once the permits are there then they have to lock up the contract to produce X number of rounds and then finally commence shipping. A permit could be millions of rounds that are produced and shipped in multiple shipments well over a years worth of time. It's the same as when the Molots got cut off, they had contracts and import permits for thousands of rifles that took well over two years to all come in from the time that imports were banned.
Great-Kazoo
08-23-2021, 20:39
I think part of the panic was the average shooter, myself included, having no clue about how much is authorized on a Form 6- one connex full, or two years of full connexes.
The sky isn't falling. But it sure as hell gonna be more expensive. To keep it from hitting you
JohnnyDrama
08-23-2021, 21:15
5.56 ammo way up, now 7.62x39 going to be expensive. Pretty soon I'll be able to shoot my 6.8 SPC in 3 Gun matches and not feel bad about the cost.
Aloha_Shooter
08-23-2021, 21:37
So what you all are saying is that now's a good time to clear my shelves? Well, it would be if I had anything on the shelves ...
electronman1729
08-23-2021, 22:44
I find this comical, everyone used to bust my balls because I shoot AK's in 5.56/.223. Guess I don't have to worry anytime soon.
Great-Kazoo
08-24-2021, 00:04
I find this comical, everyone used to bust my balls because I shoot AK's in 5.56/.223. Guess I don't have to worry anytime soon.
I have a few in different calibers. Not an issue ammo wise.
But it also goes back to the question asked, here a few times. What's a good number of mags to have? i believe 10 mags and 1k per firearm. Although this 1911 kick i'm on, is testing that limit.
I guess I am very low with reserves.
I usually do 200 rounds per firearm on common rounds and 5mags.
as for uncommon rounds, 2-3 mags and 60 rounds.
some mags cost over 200 like sako and can't afford to have 10. :)
I have 9 rounds for my hunting rifle, is that good?
So what are the reloading options for Russian stuff? I know the primers are different, and the cases are steel, but doesn't brass cased, regular primered stuff exist, or can be made?
whitewalrus
08-24-2021, 08:59
I have 9 rounds for my hunting rifle, is that good?
So what are the reloading options for Russian stuff? I know the primers are different, and the cases are steel, but doesn't brass cased, regular primered stuff exist, or can be made?
Yeah there?s boxer primed brass out there. It?s just so expensive compared to the cheap stuff that most people just stick with the cheap stuff. Before the hard times we have now, it wasn?t worth it in my mind to reload for, but you could.
If you really needed to, there are ways to reload the steel cases, but the process is much more tedious and the primers are harder to find.
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former Warsaw pact countries who import ammo still makes 7.62x39, 5.45, and 54r.
.455_Hunter
08-24-2021, 11:14
I would find it hard to believe that somebody wouldn't fill the 5.45mm vacuum. PPU even makes 7.92x33mm, which hardly has a large number of shootable platforms.
I have 9 rounds for my hunting rifle, is that good?
So what are the reloading options for Russian stuff? I know the primers are different, and the cases are steel, but doesn't brass cased, regular primered stuff exist, or can be made?
It has no bearing on it. There has always been domestic production of 7.62x39 and yes, they use regular brass casing. Hunting rounds and the like, and they would've always been reloadable using regular rifle primers. I suspect production will ramp up there tremendously.
They just banned all the Russian stuff because it would be awkward when we have to go back into Afghanistan armed with AK's and steel case rounds to buffer our supply deficit,
All while fighting against US made AR-15's and 5.56.
I would find it hard to believe that somebody wouldn't fill the 5.45mm vacuum. PPU even makes 7.92x33mm, which hardly has a large number of shootable platforms.
There was a bunch of Ukranian 5.45 for sale this past winter at the height of the ammo scare and it was for sale for less than 7n6 spam cans were selling for. I bought 4 cases of it at $.30/rnd shipped. Russia is not the only source of 5.45 nor cheap 5.45
I would find it hard to believe that somebody wouldn't fill the 5.45mm vacuum. PPU even makes 7.92x33mm, which hardly has a large number of shootable platforms.
I just did quick Google search and I guess some former soviet countries manufacture 5.45. as we know someone who uses 5.45 would just need to increase production and get an export ready (simply put).
I guess century imports 5.45 from Ukraine.
As long as there are demands, I think filling that gap would not be too difficult.
Great-Kazoo
08-24-2021, 14:23
I have 9 rounds for my hunting rifle, is that good?
So what are the reloading options for Russian stuff? I know the primers are different, and the cases are steel, but doesn't brass cased, regular primer stuff exist, or can be made?
Yes there's dies and boxer primed brass for x39. What you might need is the correct powder funnel, for your 550, press. Which i believe i have one, sitting here.
IIRC it is .311 bullets? Or .312? I forget. If I recall some used to use british .303 for a close enough approximate but that may be bad info from the alleyways of memory.
Great-Kazoo
08-24-2021, 16:28
IIRC it is .311 bullets? Or .312? I forget. If I recall some used to use british .303 for a close enough approximate but that may be bad info from the alleyways of memory.
.311 for bullets.
funkymonkey1111
08-26-2021, 08:15
Here's a note from SG Ammo on the sanctions and what's to come:
https://www.sgammo.com/bulk-ammo-stock-free-shipping-and-my-russian-ammo-sanction-opinion
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