View Full Version : Robert E. Lee Statue Removal. Virginia
I'm sure you have seen or heard about it. Magnificent Bronze statue mounted on a massive ornate base. Dates back to 1880.
By the time they took it down (this week) it looked like the Reichstag building or many other buildings in Berlin. Graffiti several layers deep.
Spineless politicians are allowing our history to be erased. Shameful. I posted another thread on polishing the Denver turd after hearing about the big cleanup for Biden next week (speaking of Spineless Politicians).
If they remove the history it makes it easier for them to repeat it.
OtterbatHellcat
09-11-2021, 03:20
Removing history is a turd move. The equivalent of destroying all of Bach's music or Van Gogh's art because you don't like it.
UncleDave
09-11-2021, 06:47
Gman hit the nail on the head.
Rucker61
09-11-2021, 08:23
Removing history is a turd move. The equivalent of destroying all of Bach's music or Van Gogh's art because you don't like it.
What that what was happening there? The reason I ask is that REL still shows up in Wiki, as does Bach and Van Gogh.
Maybe they wanna replace it with president of Andromeda galaxy.
Take me to your leader...
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51ER2tVx2lL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
They're not removing history. He's still in the history books as the leader of an army that marched against the United States. They're just removing the statue of him in front of a government building.
Don't worry, there's fixin to be another Robert E Lee in the near future anyway.
Don't worry, there's fixin to be another Robert E Lee in the near future anyway.
It basically NETS out. :)
theGinsue
09-11-2021, 10:57
Maybe they wanna replace it with president of Andromeda galaxy.
Take me to your leader...
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51ER2tVx2lL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
BushmasterBoy, is that you?
BushMasterBoy
09-11-2021, 11:46
Not me. I don't know what they look like for sure. They had silver space suits on, before the police came and shot them. I never saw their faces. As far as I can guess, they and their space craft were shipped to Wright-Patterson AFB in 1963.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna42704241
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/ufos-and-the-guy-hottel-memo
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Besides Christopher Columbus, do we have foreign leader statues ?
Bailey Guns
09-11-2021, 12:02
They're not removing history. He's still in the history books as the leader of an army that marched against the United States. They're just removing the statue of him in front of a government building.
And what would be a good reason for doing that? Aside from it makes the ultra-woke feel better about themselves. Virtue signaling doesn't look good on anyone.
if California stupidly secede from US, they are no longer a US citizen. they willl be citizen of New California Republic (or peoples republic).
fallout
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61b4BZg+86L._AC_SL1024_.jpg
?Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.?
George Orwell
"Robert Edward Lee (January 19, 1807 ? October 12, 1870) was an American general best known for his service to the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War, during which he was appointed the overall commander of the Confederate States Army."
Wikipedia
It's not being erased. Having a statue of a traitor erected 30 years after he lost is like putting up statues of Aldrich Ames or Robert Hanssen, or Benedict Arnold.
And what would be a good reason for doing that? Aside from it makes the ultra-woke feel better about themselves. Virtue signaling doesn't look good on anyone.
He was a traitor. Why should we support someone who didn't care about the United States?
Then they burn the books and filter or remove Internet access (Like China does to their citizens). After a few generations, history just becomes rumor or a 'scary campfire story'. It's no longer a part of their conscience.
It's not being erased. Having a statue of a traitor erected 30 years after he lost is like putting up statues of Aldrich Ames or Robert Hanssen, or Benedict Arnold.
He was a traitor. Why should we support someone who didn't care about the United States?
Through the distillation and twisting/interpretation of history by those that didn't actually experience it, your conclusion is that there was no reason for the statues to have ever been built. Yet they were built by people a lot closer to the situation than you ever were. Perhaps your understanding of the situation isn't entirely accurate?
SSChameleon
09-11-2021, 13:16
We can compromise. When ANTIFA raises an army, fights the US, and looses, they can put up a statue of their general in Portland, and the REL statue will be returned.
Gman raises a good point how many members here have a direct lineage to the confederates or union? What stories about life during that time and the reasons they chose the side they did impact their current political views. And how much geography played a major role rather than political views
I am descended from a mildly famous confederate general. His death is well known... he was a well known womanizer and a husband came home. Whoops, there goes Valhalla.
Then they burn the books and filter or remove Internet access (Like China does to their citizens). After a few generations, history just becomes rumor or a 'scary campfire story'. It's no longer a part of their conscience.
Through the distillation and twisting/interpretation of history by those that didn't actually experience it, your conclusion is that there was no reason for the statues to have ever been built. Yet they were built by people a lot closer to the situation than you ever were. Perhaps your understanding of the situation isn't entirely accurate?
That's a very good quote, GMan, where these people removing our history, are not removing it because of the history, but rather because of the politics today.
I mean seriously. These people are trying to say that the South, in the Civil War, and so despicable, that they should be removed from history.
The Civil War was a great and tragic part of American history.
UncleDave
09-11-2021, 18:16
I have members of my ancestry that were on both sides of the War Between the States. In fact I have roots that go back to long before the Revolutionary War. No matter which side of a conflict someone of note was on, all history should be preserved. Otherwise you are building the Titanic over and over, instead of learning.
All history matters.
Lets print up some t-shirts and pop some corn as people call that racist. [handbags]
I mean seriously. These people are trying to say that the South, in the Civil War, and so despicable, that they should be removed from history.
History is told by the victors.
So what do you suggest we do, Ridge?
I told these damn commies, anti commies and dictator-phobics that removing statue was not a good idea!
It was bullshitvic and turdshevics history!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_of_monuments_to_Vladimir_Lenin_in_Ukrai ne#:~:text=The%20first%20wave%20of%20demolitions,t he%20purpose%20of%20moving%20elsewhere.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Falling_of_Lenin_in_Khmelnytskyi_park.jpg/1280px-Falling_of_Lenin_in_Khmelnytskyi_park.jpg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firdos_Square_statue_destruction
https://youtu.be/Vd-M3Y-IprU
History is told by the victors.
So what do you suggest we do, Ridge?
I am not a fan of statue of any sort, unless it is privately funded or given to us ( statue of liberty). Rio's statue of Jesus was funded entirely by the Catholic community in Brazil.
https://strawberrytours.com/rio-de-janeiro/blog/the-story-behind-rio-s-christ-the-redeemer-statue#:~:text=The%20statue's%20design%20is%20than ks,the%20Catholic%20community%20in%20Brazil.
I particularly do not like this one, but this is privately owned? Statue of Lenin in Seattle?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Statue_of_Lenin_Seattle.jpg
Cancel Culture, came about, was empowered, by the lefts hate toward Donald Trump, and his campaign to Make America Great Again (MAGA.)
So what do you suggest we do, Ridge?
Move the statues to a museum.
I am not a fan of statue of any sort, unless it is privately funded or given to us ( statue of liberty). Rio's statue of Jesus was funded entirely by the Catholic community in Brazil.
https://strawberrytours.com/rio-de-janeiro/blog/the-story-behind-rio-s-christ-the-redeemer-statue#:~:text=The%20statue's%20design%20is%20than ks,the%20Catholic%20community%20in%20Brazil.
I particularly do not like this one, but this is privately owned? Statue of Lenin in Seattle?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Statue_of_Lenin_Seattle.jpg
It looks like it is in a public space, but, yes, I do think I could find issues with Russian/Communist, statues, in America.
Move the statues to a museum.
Too late, the mob is destroying it.
Cancel Culture, came about, was empowered, by the lefts hate toward Donald Trump, and his campaign to Make America Great Again (MAGA.)
Do you live under a rock? Cancel culture started long before Trump presidency.
It never took hold, as it has today, prior to Trump. Trump was their excuse to go full cancel culture,
We shall rape and pillage, because Trump is president.
There is ZERO good things being espoused by our Government today.
Only hate.
Joke a side, I think everyone has a point of some sort.
IF mass majority people who live on that city/town wants it removed, that is fine. It is their town/city property.
I have no say on stay/move their statues of any sort.
if someone from different state or attorney try to remove/keep it, I think they need a life.
however we do have a freedom to talk about the situation.
,I don't like union jack on Hawaii's state flag, but I don't say anything. [LOL]
The main point, MrPrena, is that a few very vocal people, are being supported by media, and are going full cancel culture.
They are generally attacking our American way of life, and getting away with it.
They might be a minority, but if they are local and want it gone, and not enough locals argue they want it to stay, then the go's win. If you don't vote, you can't be upset your sides loses, right?
These "people" are on the Government dole, and what they do is "complain."
We are losing remembrances of great American heroes, to these complainers on Government assistance.
Why do you assume people you don't like are on government assistance? Is it because if that's not true you won't have a legitimate reason to hate them and that's a way you can justify your feelings to yourself instead of actually finding out?
Irving, you are making a lot of assumptions of the way I feel.
That was a nationally elected official level of dodging you just did.
hurley842002
09-11-2021, 21:38
Dixie Chicks are good.Dixie Chick's are woke AF, case in point, changed their name to "The Chicks" in the wake of George Floyd getting himself killed.
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Not to mention the point of bringing the Dixie Chicks up in this context was they were the first example of people getting canceled, and it was conservatives that did it.
Scanker19
09-11-2021, 22:37
Move the statues to a museum.
87540
Scanker19
09-11-2021, 22:39
Also the yearly reminder that Confederate soldiers are legal recognized United States veterans.
OtterbatHellcat
09-12-2021, 01:03
What that what was happening there? The reason I ask is that REL still shows up in Wiki, as does Bach and Van Gogh.
Lee does for now and dont expect it to stay that way.
OtterbatHellcat
09-12-2021, 01:05
They're not removing history. He's still in the history books as the leader of an army that marched against the United States. They're just removing the statue of him in front of a government building.
The libs have been changing the history books for a while now. Removing history that should be being taught.
OtterbatHellcat
09-12-2021, 01:21
Maybe a new Civil War?
This IS coming, and I'm willing to be part of it. Lynyrd Skynyrd, Dukes of Hazzard, rebel flag, and accurate history shouldn't be a fucking problem. I see shitty statues everywhere called "art" but god forbid is has something to do with the south and being a rebel. Progressive shit heads have been strategically taking this country down for decades and I'm fed up with it.
Take down Lee, Lincoln, Washington, etc for your feel good agenda. Change the names on schools and all that.....it's bullshit.
Churches will be next. There are some statues and monuments that I personally would not mind seeing go away. Like the Georgia Guide Stones, or the Washington Monument. Or the statue of Albert Pike in DC. It is interesting to me that the same ignorance that decries Lee, will acquire and spend currency with pictures of Lincoln, Grant, and FDR on them like it?s no issue at all. Or allow their retirement or investment fund to be ran by Vanguard.
This is just the top of the iceberg really. Entire swaths of America are named after total pieces of shit that didn't even "discover" them. I think the Cumberland Gap is named for some shit bird Duke in England that never even stepped foot on this continent.
Glad that no one yet wanna get rid of Martin Luther momument in DC.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Monument_(Washington,_D.C.)
Aloha_Shooter
09-13-2021, 00:01
Not to mention the point of bringing the Dixie Chicks up in this context was they were the first example of people getting canceled, and it was conservatives that did it.
Ummm ... no. That's distorting what happened and creating false equivalences. Cancel culture is a movement to destroy people or ideas based on an ideology regardless of whether the activists are patrons of said people or ideas -- in fact, they often aren't. In the case of the Dixie Chicks, they went against the very people they initially marketed to (country music fans who are generally more conservative than John Kerry). These former fans decided to no longer patronize the Dixie Chicks because of what Natalie and the others said. That's boycotting (which often doesn't work but that's another story), not cancel culture.
Calling the Dixie Chicks victims of cancel culture and blaming conservatives is like a pedophile elementary school teacher accusing parents of homophobia or transphobia or ageism when they transfer their kids after said teacher's school refuses to fire him/her.
I'll concede to it having been a boycott. But boycotting is the bread and butter of cancel culture.
Delfuego
09-13-2021, 09:39
in the wake of George Floyd getting murdered.Fixed that for you
hurley842002
09-13-2021, 10:14
Fixed that for youI'll meet you in the middle with "getting himself murdered", all parties involved were trash that day.
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I'll meet you in the middle with "getting himself murdered", all parties involved were trash that day.
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Why was he murdered?
OtterbatHellcat
09-13-2021, 14:21
So we can take civil war statues down....duh.
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/man-suit-slapping-himself-forehead-260nw-176023151.jpg
Gah, of course!
Why was he murdered?
Murder implies intent. This was just a police action, and the consequence of being involved in a police action.
Homeless camp on the left, homeless camp on the right.
Please vote (Democrat) for more money for these losers.
Murder implies intent. This was just a police action, and the consequence of being involved in a police action.
Okay, then he was negligently homicided by a police officer.
He found his peace, in the hands of a police officer.
I am glad that Patriots fan didn't want Nick Foles Statue demolished.
I remember Penn State Demolished Joe Paterno's statue after Sandusky scandal.
https://www.nbcsports.com/sites/rsnunited/files/archive/assets_article/philadelphia/2018/09/05/foles_pederson_statue.jpg
Looks like a lot of coachsplaining going on there.
actual footage. Not an Eagles fan, and this was great.
https://youtu.be/_XmhBaUdges
Aloha_Shooter
09-13-2021, 21:16
I'll concede to it having been a boycott. But boycotting is the bread and butter of cancel culture.
No, it isn't for the reason that boycotts are enacted by the consumers of the product or service being boycotted. Case in point being all the men who abandoned Gillette products when they went woke. Cancel culture is primarily enacted by people who aren't even consumers of the item or service being cancelled. How many of the people who keep trying to cancel Ben Shapiro actually listen to him or read his columns? How about the people who want to cancel Sarah Huckabee Sanders because she worked for Trump?
The only problem I've got with boycotts is they usually don't do a thing but they in essence are consumers trying to use their buying power to influence a company or person on a product or service. Cancel culture is primarily from non-consumers directing or inflaming public opinion to hurt a company or person. There's a real difference between the two.
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