Building considerations - Pre & Post Ban

[hip55]

I'm a little confused regarding what is the current rules regarding the Post Ban era of the now expired 1994 "Crime Bill" aka Assault Weapons Ban.

That in and of itself sounds confusing... [Bang]

Why my confusion?

I have read in numerous place on the net that this law has expired, but keep seeing references to an article wrtten in 1997 by Ron Wu -

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=12&f=6&t=71



So are these restrictions still in place, and will it restrict my future build?

[Great-Kazoo]

everything now being sold EXCEPT in ban states is in a pre-ban config .threaded bbl, bayo-lug p/grip, more than 10rd magazines, retractable, collaspable, sidefolding, underfolder stocks, etc.
post-ban was none of the above.

[Irving]

The only thing you should worry about, is possessing 30 round mags while being in the city of Denver. Besides that, as far as I know, there is nothing you need to worry about in the state of Colorado (other than NFA stuff of course).

Tell us what direction you were thinking of going with your rifle.

[hip55]

Thanks for the info guys - [Beer]

[BPTactical]

Ban sunstetted in September 2004.
All restrictions that were in place on "Assault" weapons went away unless an individual state or municipality retained some/all.


[Beer]

[hip55]

The only thing you should worry about, is possessing 30 round mags while being in the city of Denver. Besides that, as far as I know, there is nothing you need to worry about in the state of Colorado (other than NFA stuff of course).

Tell us what direction you were thinking of going with your rifle.

I've been looking at some parts sites, reading at forums & websites, and have come down to this -

16' barrel
removable/changeable flash hider/muzzle brake
Collapsible stock
Flat top upper
Fold down iron front & rear sights
comfortable grip
four rail foregrip for future needs
A decent optical sight

I'd rather put together my own rifle than buy one that is complete. That way I will know it inside & out.

Any problems with Del-Ton?

[lead_magnet]

"The only thing you should worry about, is possessing 30 round mags while being in the city of Denver."

Are you serious? You can't have 30rd mags in Denver?

[Circuits]

Unfortunately, he's serious. No mags over 20 in the city/county of Denver.

[mutt]

Unfortunately, he's serious. No mags over 20 in the city/county of Denver.

And that applies even if your a non-resident just passing through. From rmgo.org:


What if I am not a resident of Denver? Can I be arrested if I am in Denver with my AW and hi-cap magazine?


YES. Denver provides for an affirmative defense if you are not a resident of Denver and are traveling through Denver with your AW and hi-cap magazine. You can be and likely will be arrested and jailed and your vehicle will be towed and stored. You have to hire a lawyer to get the charges dismissed. In some cases in the past, Denver’s City Attorney allowed those arrested with an AW to give the guns to the city in exchange for dropping charges. This can be less costly than paying an attorney to get the charges dismissed and to get your guns back.

Total BS that I have to go out of my way to avoid Denver when transporting my legal firearms because my mags violate some mystical number. I've contemplated getting 20 round mags but I refuse to make accommodations for their tyranny. A shorter commute to the range isn't worth it.

[coop68]

To me these laws are pointless because all they do is make it harder for law a baying citizen going to and from the range match or event.[Bang]

Also the tanner gun show is in Denver so does that mean they can arrest everyone there buying AW and hi-cap magazines! To me these laws need to be taken out or switched to where it targets criminals using them in a criminal act in my opinion.


Here is a question what if you are carrying a CCW permit does that change anything? I am guessing not, but doesn’t hurt to ask?

[spencerhenry]

i dont know all the facts, but here it is as i understand it.
1 pre-ban can have all the good stuff, bayonet lug, hi-cap mags, flash hider, pistol grip, collapsible stock, etc...
2. during the ban a gun couldnt have alot of the fun stuff, could only have some fun stuff.
3. after the ban, back to before the ban on new production and pre-ban produced guns, but guns made when the ban was in effect can not be converted to pre-ban or post- post-ban configuration.

my class 3 dealer told me this, and he is kind of a whack so it may not be true, and in reality, what law enforcement person is going to know by serial # if the receiver was manufactured during the ban.
it would be good to know for sure, as i am sure some gung ho cop would be happy to cite someone for having a post ban gun an illegal configuration. it used to be innocent until proven guilty, now it is guilty until you can afford to prove the state wrong.

[Cochese]

Disclamer...

<---- not an attorney.

The odds of you even being contacted by DPD are minimal. The odds of you being contacted for anything other than traffic are miniscule. The odds of you being arrested for having a 30 round mag incident to a lawful DPD contact are almost non existent.

That ordinance is used by DPD to selectively target dirtbags, not law abiding citizenry.

I am a metro area LEO, FWIW.

(CCWs don't legally negate C/C of Denvers gay AWB, but we know a good guy when we see one.)

[Circuits]

i dont know all the facts, but here it is as i understand it.
1 pre-ban can have all the good stuff, bayonet lug, hi-cap mags, flash hider, pistol grip, collapsible stock, etc...
2. during the ban a gun couldnt have alot of the fun stuff, could only have some fun stuff.
3. after the ban, back to before the ban on new production and pre-ban produced guns, but guns made when the ban was in effect can not be converted to pre-ban or post- post-ban configuration.

my class 3 dealer told me this, and he is kind of a whack so it may not be true, and in reality, what law enforcement person is going to know by serial # if the receiver was manufactured during the ban.
it would be good to know for sure, as i am sure some gung ho cop would be happy to cite someone for having a post ban gun an illegal configuration. it used to be innocent until proven guilty, now it is guilty until you can afford to prove the state wrong.

3. is false - once the ban expired, anyone not stuck in a jurisdiction with its own local ban was free to retrofit ban-era guns into pre-ban (now "no-ban") configuration.

Ban issues from the now-expired 922(v) and mag size issues from the now-expired 922(w) are separate from "non-sporting imported firearm features" aspects of 922(r), which is still in effect.