View Full Version : Rant - People have no honor or integrity anymore
SouthPaw
09-15-2021, 17:13
Some freakin' people. A friend of mine texted me yesterday asking if I had seen the ZX-14R that was posted on craigslist for $5500 since he knew I was possibly in the market for one. I jumped on CL, found the ad, and contacted the seller immediately. He said he still had it but he wasn't going to waste his time with tire kickers or flakes. I tell him to send me his address and a time and I would be there. He sends me the address, which is 50 min from me and says I can look at it at 7pm. I tell him that I am not a flake and if the bike checks out, I'll buy it. I show up at his house at 7pm on the dot. I go over the bike, ask some questions, take it for a test ride and it all checks out. I tell him I will take it for his full asking price. He thanks for me showing up and also not haggling on the price since it was already a good deal. He also said he would be removing the ad (which he did) since he knew I was serious. The bike was financed through a credit union and later that night, we make arrangements on how we can make the deal happen so he doesn't have to take time away from work. We agree that I will meet back at his house this morning at 8am, load the bike in my truck, drive to one of my banks in Aurora, get the cash and then drive to the credit union to catch them right as they open at 9am so he doesn't have to take any time off from work. My days start early M-F so I set my alarm last night for 3:45am this morning so I could get my workout in, go to my brothers house by 6am to get a ramp, then back to my house to load all my stuff up for the day and be at his house by 8am. This chicken sh*t texted me this at 6:54am, right as I was leaving to head to his house:
https://i.postimg.cc/rptb6KD8/1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/wtgFLx5P)
https://i.postimg.cc/HxDNTdMb/2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/8F44H8tC)
https://i.postimg.cc/85R059d9/3.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zbfj2dcF)
Never got a response after that last message.
I've had this happen a few times over the years and usually when you pull the 'you are only as good as your word' card, they honor it, but not this jackass. It's not the end of the world but still pisses me off that someone would have the balls to message someone after all of the hoops I went through to make the deal happen. This whole pandemic has people out of their gourd. At the end of the day, if this is the worst thing that happened to me this week, I am doing alright but this world is getting shittier and shittier by the day. I shouldn't be shocked because I've been outbid on a number of good deals the last year and a half but I figured since I actually showed up, we agreed on it, shook hands, I had it in the bag. Part of me wishes I should have played along with him and told him that I would still pay the $7500. Tell him we could meet at the credit union and then when he was waiting around for me, tell him that I talked to my wife and I talked and she thinks I am paying too much for it and that I would only pay $3500 now. It would have been no different if we set this all up and I show up to his credit union and tell him "ya, we agreed on $5500 but I only brought $3500." F*cking people.
bigdlebowski22
09-15-2021, 17:26
Did this happen to you or? I'm curious if this is your story. Either way it's fkd up that ppl would do such a thing.. ESP after all the flakes & such. Ugh and ppl wonder why I'm so cynical.
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Why wouldn't it be his story?
fitterjohn
09-15-2021, 17:36
Pretty frustrating, had that happen more than once, what I hate is contractors asking for more money after the work is done, same thing in my book. I was at a gun show once and paid what a sticker said for an sks about 10 mins later a guy came up to me and said my buddy said you ripped me off that it’s worth way more so I’m going to have to ask for more money. Had to say sorry I paid your price your loose is my gain. There is something to be said for cash on hand and making the deal before people can change their mind
bigdlebowski22
09-15-2021, 17:36
Why wouldn't it be his story?I'm just simply inquiring is all. I haven't experienced a sale/buy like this myself but I have had bad experiences as well. Also heard stories like so and it rubs me the wrong way. I would NOT have been as cordial in the situation if this had happened to me but that's neither here nor there. I was simply asking and expressing empathy in the matter because that happening is PURELY messed up.
I gotta ask though.....do you have an issue with me? You seem bent on throwing shade my way. [emoji2955][emoji848]
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I have thrown zero shade your way.
bigdlebowski22
09-15-2021, 17:46
You first post indicates elsewise... as well as the demeanor of that post and others when replying to my posts. That's why I'll ask again...do YOU have an issue with me?
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theGinsue
09-15-2021, 17:54
I gotta ask though.....do you have an issue with me? You seem bent on throwing shade my way. [emoji2955][emoji848]
Welcome to the site.
The question you got is typical Irving. The longer you're here you'll have moments where you'll love him and others where you'll ask "WTF?". Check out the site and you'll see he posts a LOT and within those posts you'll see what I mean. Don't take it personal; as I said, it's just Irving.
As to the OP, yeah, that was a total BS move on the sellers part and an honorable man would have stood by his word. Sadly, I think things will only get worse and this is an example of what we'll come to remember as "the good ole days".
bigdlebowski22
09-15-2021, 17:56
Ohhhhh!! That's what OP means lol that just clicked with me. Let me finish your post and I'll post again.
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bigdlebowski22
09-15-2021, 18:08
Welcome to the site.
The question you got is typical Irving. The longer you're here you'll have moments where you'll love him and others where you'll ask "WTF?". Check out the site and you'll see he posts a LOT and within those posts you'll see what I mean. Don't take it personal; as I said, it's just Irving.
As to the OP, yeah, that was a total BS move on the sellers part and an honorable man would have stood by his word. Sadly, I think things will only get worse and this is an example of what we'll come to remember as "the good ole days".I figured that might be the case but that's why I was asking him if we had issues. I feel I didn't say or ask anything wrong and was just inquiring about the post but that demeanor made me feel he thought I was an idiot or "stupid" for asking about the story when that was quite simply NOT the case. I also asked because if that's the case then I was hoping to put a stop to it as it is 100% unwarranted ESP in this situation.
I 100% agree on the OP issue. That is soooooo messed up. If that happened to me I might've been phoning the wifey from a holding cell for bail money. Just hearing about this kind of situation rubs me the wrong way. And the fact that it's getting worse is just abysmal. Makes me shake my head in disbelief more & more these days.
Thank you for your post by the by. I appreciate the elaboration and the de-escalation as well.
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HBARleatherneck
09-15-2021, 18:12
I hate when MEN use their wife as an excuse to be a piece of beta shit. Man up. If I make a deal, its a deal. period. If I needed to consult with my wife, I would have done it PRIOR to meeting with someone.
electronman1729
09-15-2021, 18:22
Sounds like the kind of guy to let his wife be on top.
buffalobo
09-15-2021, 18:23
I read your story knowing it would cause me to grit my teeth.
Looking forward to the rant part.
WHAT a shitstick.
And I mean the guy selling the bike of course, not the new guy that got flamed by Stuving.
[fags]
[LOL]
ChickNorris
09-15-2021, 20:10
Yeah, because all those silly singular first-person pronouns were ambiguous af.
[mlp]
I could "buy" his bike, meet in front of your house, and then decline to buy it. Wife problems.
Holger Danske
09-15-2021, 20:25
Is this the bike? https://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/d/henderson-2015-kawasaki-ninja-zx-14r/7380176557.html
Kawasaki: Check
Green: Check
Machine: Check
:)
Feel like getting the guy's contact info and texting "I'm interested in the bike . . . but the wife says I can only go as high as $5,500."
But yeah. For sure you guys had a deal, and while this is his legal right to do, it is wrong.
With that said, if you would have bought the bike at $6500?, I would just bite my lip and finish the deal.
BushMasterBoy
09-15-2021, 21:09
Mortgage forbearance ending and evictions coming soon. Plus winter coming, you might get a better deal soon. Good luck with the search!
The people in that category aren't buying Sport Bikes?
I imagine they'll be selling TVs and Toasters?
Sounds like the kind of guy to let his wife be on top.
Hell yeah.
Here's a script for you:
So let me get this right...
You agreed last night to sell it for $5,500, we arranged terms and we shook hands and I took the steps necessary to complete my end of the transaction.
(wait for reply)
Then today, you say it's suddenly $7,500. Google "specific performance". Yeah, it's a thing in contract law. And yes, I'll do it to you. You already confirmed the existence of our agreement and the terms.
So when do you want to meet to complete the agreement under the terms we shook hands upon?
bigdlebowski22
09-15-2021, 21:54
Foxart is correct and furthermore Colorado upholds verbal agreements as legal binding contracts just like written contracts. Might be worth the hassle of pursuing but I leave that to you as you might think it not to be worth said hassle. As I mentioned before, I would NOT have been so cordial about it and most likely hearing about "specfic performance" from a friend (like foxart mentioned here) I would then most indubitably would go after the guy for his bike he had promised to you in the first place for $5.5k and force him legally to uphold his side of the agreement. That's just me but I digress.
Attached is a photo of verbal contracts. Looks like it was posted with a recent date of 2017. Might dig deeper if you decide to move forward to make sure that law is still viable today. Again, I leave that to you Southpaw.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210916/bec8c9c505491a980a02f6aa71bbb92d.jpg
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Sorry you wasted your time and didn?t end up getting the bike you wanted.
Hopefully karma gives the guy anal cancer and he dies a slow death at a young age.
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Hopefully karma gives the guy anal cancer and he dies a slow death at a young age.
Wow Ray, that was pretty dark and harsh................... U got a cheeto stuck somewhere that is uncomfortable, making you meaner than normal?
[Coffee]
Foxart is correct and furthermore Colorado upholds verbal agreements as legal binding contracts just like written contracts. Might be worth the hassle of pursuing but I leave that to you as you might think it not to be worth said hassle. As I mentioned before, I would NOT have been so cordial about it and most likely hearing about "specfic performance" from a friend (like foxart mentioned here) I would then most indubitably would go after the guy for his bike he had promised to you in the first place for $5.5k and force him legally to uphold his side of the agreement. That's just me but I digress.
Attached is a photo of verbal contracts. Looks like it was posted with a recent date of 2017. Might dig deeper if you decide to move forward to make sure that law is still viable today. Again, I leave that to you Southpaw.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210916/bec8c9c505491a980a02f6aa71bbb92d.jpg
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You learn all that back in Idaho?
You learn all that back in Idaho?
Talking about mean, go back to your closet Irving..................
theGinsue
09-15-2021, 22:46
STU! You need to place nice with the other kids, or next recess you'll have to stay in class and write "I'll play nice" 100 times on the chalkboard.
can we all flag that fool on CL?
I would try to find his offerup and facebook marketplace and flag his ass. :)
STU! You need to place nice with the other kids, or next recess you'll have to stay in class and write "I'll play nice" 100 times on the chalkboard.
As long as it's authorized by staff, then I guess it's okay with me.
OtterbatHellcat
09-16-2021, 01:53
Speaking of shades, I'm thinking of that dude that moved to Plano Texas now, and the shit we all give him for hosing a member on a deal.
I'm in.
OtterbatHellcat
09-16-2021, 02:15
Shall we organize an effort on Southpaw's behalf for even handed shitbaggary?
Shall we organize an effort on Southpaw's behalf for even handed shitbaggary?
Lynch party? Woot woot!
StagLefty
09-16-2021, 07:47
STU! You need to place nice with the other kids, or next recess you'll have to stay in class and write "I'll play nice" 100 times on the chalkboard.
Do I see a name change to "typical Irving" in the making ? [ROFL2]
I had a guy yesterday on ebay who left a positive feedback.
15 minutes later , he put case against me that item was not as described.
I asked him to post photo and he refused twice. I told him for the last time ebay and I need to see where it was damaged to pursue the claim, because it might be shipping damage.
He then later claim that he dropped the item and he will eat up $120 for his own mistake.
At least he later man up after false claim. At least got < 50% integrity back.
Sounds like the kind of guy to let his wife be on top.
I have to say, I've had some good experiences with that...orientation.
Reading between the lines: He owes way more than he thought to the credit union, and can't make up the difference between the agreed sale price and the loan payoff. His wife may or may not have blown her stack because they don't have the money to make the deal happen. So, he comes up with a bullshit excuse, and backs out of the deal, rather than manning up and telling the truth. Dirtbag, 100%.
SouthPaw
09-16-2021, 09:10
Is this the bike? https://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/d/henderson-2015-kawasaki-ninja-zx-14r/7380176557.html
That's the one.
I slept it off but still just makes me wonder how other people can sleep knowing that they pulled some chicken shit like this. I mean, I can say he was honest about the situation instead of making up some other BS why he couldn't sell it. A long time ago, I had a set of wheels for sale for $350 off my truck. They sat for weeks with zero interest and finally someone called and offered me $200. Seeing that no one else was interested in them, I happily accepted the offer over phone. Not even 20 minutes later, someone else called and asked if I would take $300 and I said yes. I was still living at home at the time and was rolling them out to the driveway. My dad asked if I finally got them sold and I told him what happened but I was taking the $300 instead. He said, and I quote "the f*ck you are. You already told that other guy you would take $200 and committed to him. You word is worth more than $100." So I called the $300 and told him what happened and he totally understood. I didn't quite fully understand it then, but fast forward 15+ years, it all makes sense.
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 09:25
Good on you Southpaw. I would still cite specfic performance as well as oral agreement of the sale as being legally binding within Colorado. I think you are well within your own rights to so. I gotta say the prospect of being put in that situation is definitely polarizing at the very least.
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funkymonkey1111
09-16-2021, 09:56
.do YOU have an issue with me?
i'm starting to, btw.
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 09:57
i'm starting to, btw.?? [emoji2955][emoji848]
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Seamonkey
09-16-2021, 09:57
I hate when MEN use their wife as an excuse to be a piece of beta shit. Man up. If I make a deal, its a deal. period. If I needed to consult with my wife, I would have done it PRIOR to meeting with someone.
Reminds me of the time someone posted a shotgun for sale. I offered to buy it if they could hold it a week since I was traveling and they replied yes. Next PM was about how it was the wife's favorite and no longer for sale. At least it was only PM's and wasted karma
I wouldn't have been as nice as OP in his situation....
sure thing, I understand, lets meet at the credit union at 10. Hey sorry, stuck in traffic.... oh sorry, had a flat tire, almost fixed.. be there in 20 mins...
Martinjmpr
09-16-2021, 10:12
Here's a script for you:
So let me get this right...
You agreed last night to sell it for $5,500, we arranged terms and we shook hands and I took the steps necessary to complete my end of the transaction.
(wait for reply)
Then today, you say it's suddenly $7,500. Google "specific performance". Yeah, it's a thing in contract law. And yes, I'll do it to you. You already confirmed the existence of our agreement and the terms.
So when do you want to meet to complete the agreement under the terms we shook hands upon?
And how much is THAT going to cost? Not just in $$ but in time and aggravation?
I never would be in that situation, first because I would never finance a motorcycle but more importantly, if I agreed with you on a price, I'd stick to it.
But if I was and someone said that to me I'd just laugh at them and say "OK see you in court!" Because, really, are you going to waste your time on that? No reasonable or sane person would.
Think about it: At this point, OP is pissed, he took some extra time and drove some extra miles, but he's not out any actual money (yes, I know gas money or "money = time" but really, that's just part of life. If OP had driven to the seller's home and decided not to buy the bike he'd still be out that same amount of money so IMO it doesn't count as a loss - OP went there to look for a bike, there was no guarantee he'd buy one.)
Still, OP is in the same position he was when this whole thing started. So why on earth would he go to the step of filing a claim in court, hiring a process server, etc? Better to save that money for another bike, don'tcha think? Motorcycles for sale are like buses: You miss one, there will be another one along soon enough.
So I'd say OP's best option is to just move on and keep looking for the bike he wants. [Dunno]
Reading between the lines: He owes way more than he thought to the credit union, and can't make up the difference between the agreed sale price and the loan payoff. His wife may or may not have blown her stack because they don't have the money to make the deal happen. So, he comes up with a bullshit excuse, and backs out of the deal, rather than manning up and telling the truth. Dirtbag, 100%.
This seems a very likely thing. Seller just wanted out from under the bike payments and maybe had some penalties tacked on (maybe he missed a few payments) that he how has to pay. He doesn't want to have to pay money just to get out from under the bike so he needs the extra cash.
Of course, if you're a very cynical person, maybe this was his plan all along? Get you on the hook and then try to squeeze some extra money out of you once you had mentally "committed" to the deal. Seems unlikely but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 10:17
^^^got a point!!
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Martinjmpr
09-16-2021, 10:53
Yeah, I mean, flaky people are gonna be flaky.
Personally I would be very leery of buying anything from a private seller that still has a loan on it, exactly because of hassles like this. When it comes to motorcycles in particular, I prefer to do straight cash deals for bikes that are paid for and have a clean title. Most likely the OPs seller was selling at a lower than market price because he knew the hassle of paying off the loan would dissuade some potential buyers (like me.)
Think about this: If there had been no loan on the bike and you'd gone over there with cash in hand, you would have made the deal, gotten the title signed over to you and ridden off - no chance of "seller's remorse" or changed minds. To me that is the essence of a good CL deal: Discussion, agreement, money changes hands, DONE.
Martinjmpr
09-16-2021, 10:57
BTW I've had buyers do something similar too. I think I told this story before but years ago I was trying to sell the wife's Grand Vitara. Met with a potential buyer who took it for a test drive and we agreed on a $10k price. This was on a Sunday and he said he'd need a few days to arrange to get the cash (the car was paid for and we had the title in hand.) I said, no problem.
Four days later, buyer calls me with a sob story, he had some unexpected expenses and could only get $9600. For some reason the dumba$$ thought I'd be OK with that. Instead I told him politely that we had a deal and if he couldn't hold up his end of it he could f**k off. Never heard from him again but two months later I sold the car for $10,200 so in the end it worked out for me.
So to the OP: Just put this one in the "Craigslist Story" file and move on. You will find another bike, for sure, especially with Winter coming and people not wanting to put their bikes into storage. Also, just FYI but ever since CL started charging for car and MC ads, I've seen a lot more activity on Facebook Marketplace. I bought my Honda 919 on FB Marketplace in March and just sold it last weekend (after I decided it wasn't comfortable for me to ride.) Sold in literally under 24 hours.
Do I see a name change to "typical Irving" in the making ? [ROFL2]
Gosh I hope so.
wctriumph
09-16-2021, 11:27
Yeah, people are no damn good.
I had a deal to buy a 10/22, met the guy and while I was inspecting it, some guy walks up and seeing that we are working a deal asked what he wants for it. I said to the seller that I will take it. The seller tells the guy $180. I am pulling the cash out of my pocket and the stranger says that he will give $200. The seller looks at me and asks if I am willing to match it. I said no, we had a deal for $180, here is the cash. He said he would rather sell to the other guy. I walked away. The seller was from the old RMGO site. It happens. The very next week I bought a Marlin 39 for $200. In the end I won.
Hang in there OP and keep putting positive energy into the bike you want and it will come to you.
buffalobo
09-16-2021, 11:32
i'm starting to, btw.I can make all your issues go away.
You want to start shit with another member use PM otherwise knock it off or you can start shit with me and I'll make you go away.
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 11:39
I can make all your issues go away.
You want to start shit with another member use PM otherwise knock it off or you can start shit with me and I'll make you go away.Apologies on my side. I'm still not sure what's up but either way if my behavior was inappropriate I do apologize.
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SouthPaw
09-16-2021, 11:52
And how much is THAT going to cost? Not just in $$ but in time and aggravation?
I never would be in that situation, first because I would never finance a motorcycle but more importantly, if I agreed with you on a price, I'd stick to it.
But if I was and someone said that to me I'd just laugh at them and say "OK see you in court!" Because, really, are you going to waste your time on that? No reasonable or sane person would.
Think about it: At this point, OP is pissed, he took some extra time and drove some extra miles, but he's not out any actual money (yes, I know gas money or "money = time" but really, that's just part of life. If OP had driven to the seller's home and decided not to buy the bike he'd still be out that same amount of money so IMO it doesn't count as a loss - OP went there to look for a bike, there was no guarantee he'd buy one.)
Still, OP is in the same position he was when this whole thing started. So why on earth would he go to the step of filing a claim in court, hiring a process server, etc? Better to save that money for another bike, don'tcha think? Motorcycles for sale are like buses: You miss one, there will be another one along soon enough.
So I'd say OP's best option is to just move on and keep looking for the bike he wants. [Dunno]
Of course, if you're a very cynical person, maybe this was his plan all along? Get you on the hook and then try to squeeze some extra money out of you once you had mentally "committed" to the deal. Seems unlikely but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.
My thoughts exactly. What would it cost me in the end? Probably more than his new price of $7500, for what? To prove a point? Shit happens and it's not the end of the world. Motorcycles come and go, especially in my house hold. I doubt I would have had for a full year before I wanted something else anyways. In the twelve years that I have been riding, I have gone through 50+ bikes. Some stick around longer than other but eventually, I get bored and sell them. At any given time, I could have zero bikes or four, just depends on what the market is doing. I financed my first bike at a young age (20 maybe?) and after I paid it off, I swore I would never do that again, and haven't since. They are merely toys to me and I refuse to make payments on a toy, but that's just me.
Yeah, I mean, flaky people are gonna be flaky.
Personally I would be very leery of buying anything from a private seller that still has a loan on it, exactly because of hassles like this. When it comes to motorcycles in particular, I prefer to do straight cash deals for bikes that are paid for and have a clean title. Most likely the OPs seller was selling at a lower than market price because he knew the hassle of paying off the loan would dissuade some potential buyers (like me.)
Think about this: If there had been no loan on the bike and you'd gone over there with cash in hand, you would have made the deal, gotten the title signed over to you and ridden off - no chance of "seller's remorse" or changed minds. To me that is the essence of a good CL deal: Discussion, agreement, money changes hands, DONE.
I've purchased a handful of bikes that still had loans on them. After you figure out the process, it's pretty easy. You and the seller both meet at the bank and the bank does all the paperwork for you. The only hang up that could happen, is if the bank needs the owner to sign the title before they release it to you. I request the title be sent to the bank and for the seller to come in and sign it vs sending it to their house for a signature. This way, the bank holds the title no matter what, and you aren't chasing the seller around for anything else but a signature. I almost passed on this deal because of this situation as I knew it's usually a couple week process from beginning to end to get the title but my buddy reminded me "the good deals always require some leg work" so I opted to go through with it, or so I thought lol. Now, when it's the other way around and the purchaser needs to finance it, that can be a PITA. The R1 I had for sale earlier this year, one guy wanted to buy it but had to finance it. His bank wanted pictures of the title, then they were going to do a market analysis on it, determine how much they would loan it, etc. I finally told the guy that if all else fell through, I would contact him but I would wait for someone with cash which happened the following week.
BTW I've had buyers do something similar too. I think I told this story before but years ago I was trying to sell the wife's Grand Vitara. Met with a potential buyer who took it for a test drive and we agreed on a $10k price. This was on a Sunday and he said he'd need a few days to arrange to get the cash (the car was paid for and we had the title in hand.) I said, no problem.
Four days later, buyer calls me with a sob story, he had some unexpected expenses and could only get $9600. For some reason the dumba$$ thought I'd be OK with that. Instead I told him politely that we had a deal and if he couldn't hold up his end of it he could f**k off. Never heard from him again but two months later I sold the car for $10,200 so in the end it worked out for me.
So to the OP: Just put this one in the "Craigslist Story" file and move on. You will find another bike, for sure, especially with Winter coming and people not wanting to put their bikes into storage. Also, just FYI but ever since CL started charging for car and MC ads, I've seen a lot more activity on Facebook Marketplace. I bought my Honda 919 on FB Marketplace in March and just sold it last weekend (after I decided it wasn't comfortable for me to ride.) Sold in literally under 24 hours.
You are 100% correct. Now that CL charges, most deals are on Marketplace. The 'problem' with Marketplace is that it is so much easier to post and respond to ads. It's literally luck of the draw and also how much you are willing to pay over asking price. A little Honda Grom was posted for sale for $1500 a few weeks ago. I responded and told the guy I could be there in an hour with cash. He told me that he had offers at $2300 right now and more coming in. Can't blame the guy but the market for almost anything right now is insane. There will always be another so it's really no skin off my back. You hit the nail on the head because it could have easily been a POS, I would have passed on it and be out about the same. This bike had been dropped on both sides but it only had minor damage. For the price, it was still a good deal, at least in my eyes.
SouthPaw
09-16-2021, 11:58
Reading between the lines: He owes way more than he thought to the credit union, and can't make up the difference between the agreed sale price and the loan payoff. His wife may or may not have blown her stack because they don't have the money to make the deal happen. So, he comes up with a bullshit excuse, and backs out of the deal, rather than manning up and telling the truth. Dirtbag, 100%.
That did cross my mind and could be the case, but he told that he wasn't looking to make a killing on it and would rather it go to someone else that was going to use it vs sitting the garage. He knew it was priced low but he was ok with it, obviously not. I did have that happen once on an R1 I bought a few years ago. Same thing, we went to the credit union to do the paperwork. Once their, I gave him the cash and when she pulled up his loan, he owed $1800 more than he had calculated. He looked at the bank gal, looked at me and said "oh well, as long as it's paid off" lol. Obviously not my problem but wasn't ideal for him.
Speaking of shades, I'm thinking of that dude that moved to Plano Texas now, and the shit we all give him for hosing a member on a deal.
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You mean good ole Les Fletcher of Plano, TX?
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 13:13
Lol what are ya'll on about? What's the story about "Les"?
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And how much is THAT going to cost? Not just in $$ but in time and aggravation?
Note that I didn't suggest actually filing a case over $2000. But honestly, it wouldn't be that expensive. It's small claims, no attorney, just the filing fee and process service, probably under $150 total. Worth it? Probably not.
But at the very least, I like to give dickheads something to wonder/worry about.
Lol what are ya'll on about? What's the story about "Les"?
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You just have to google Les Fletcher of Pano, TX to see what a shitbag lowlife pedophile scumbag doucheknot that guy was.
He dropped off the Google hit list since it was a 'thing'.
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 13:52
You just have to google Les Fletcher of Pano, TX to see what a shitbag lowlife pedophile scumbag doucheknot that guy was.Haha I'll do that
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BPTactical
09-16-2021, 13:54
Well yeah but……..does anybody have a chainsaw I can borrow?
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 14:04
You just have to google Les Fletcher of Pano, TX to see what a shitbag lowlife pedophile scumbag doucheknot that guy was.It's mostly giving me that whitepages, beenverified, allpeople ads bullsh?te. I am not finding any real info besides ads that are useless.
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Lol what are ya'll on about? What's the story about "Les"?
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It's mostly giving me that whitepages, beenverified, allpeople ads bullsh?te. I am not finding any real info besides ads that are useless.
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He dropped off the Google hit list since it was a 'thing'.
Unless it was before the great server crash here and is gone forever, you probably have to google this site and just imagine how it was all showing up on google searches for him.
emiller35
09-16-2021, 14:25
Mortgage forbearance ending and evictions coming soon. Plus winter coming, you might get a better deal soon. Good luck with the search!
This, there will a lots of things in pawn shops and listed for sale soon.
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You first post indicates elsewise... as well as the demeanor of that post and others when replying to my posts. That's why I'll ask again...do YOU have an issue with me?
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We can fist fight in the parking lot if you'd like....
You're just the rookie around here. There is hazing to be had as a NOOB. All in good fun.
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 14:52
We can fist fight in the parking lot if you'd like....
You're just the rookie around here. There is hazing to be had as a NOOB. All in good fun.Hazing is one thing....acting like an ass is another.
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When someone we know says something happened to him, and a new guy asks if it really happened to him, that usually gets people to wondering, "Who the hell does this guy think he is?"
In other words, if he said it happened, it happened. Casting doubt on his word is not the best way to introduce yourself. Just sayin'.
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 15:12
When someone we know says something happened to him, and a new guy asks if it really happened to him, that usually gets people to wondering, "Who the hell does this guy think he is?"
In other words, if he said it happened, it happened. Casting doubt on his word is not the best way to introduce yourself. Just sayin'.I never once insinuated it that way though. I was just floored that actually happened. I've been a victim of indian-giving, take backsies, and all that but that story just was like "dude! seriously.. did that just happen?!" Honestly never heard a story about a deal going sour like that and I'm naturally uber curious so I was asking cause it's straight messed up. I do apologize if that's the vibe you (and/or anyone else for that matter) pulled from the context but that was NOT what I meant by my question at all. My question was purely inquisitive and genuine. I never asked to cast doubt in any way..
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That may not have been your intent, but intent is difficult to judge by the written word.
When you say;
Did this happen to you or? I'm curious if this is your story.
...that literally indicates disbelief in what the OP stated.
Based on what you're saying, if you came out and said something like, "That's unbelievable that someone would act that way on a deal.", I think it would more effectively indicate where the disbelief lays.
Martinjmpr
09-16-2021, 15:27
Note that I didn't suggest actually filing a case over $2000. But honestly, it wouldn't be that expensive. It's small claims, no attorney, just the filing fee and process service, probably under $150 total. Worth it? Probably not.
But at the very least, I like to give dickheads something to wonder/worry about.
Yeah, I just don't have the time or energy for something like that. Deals fall through all the time, buyers and sellers flake out, etc. That's why even if I "make a deal" with someone, it's not a "done deal" in my mind until both the money and the goods change hands.
I've lost track of the number of times I've made verbal agreements with people to buy or sell and then they just ghosted me before the transaction could be completed. Actually, it's not that I "lost track" it's that I never bother to keep track of such things.
It's just the nature of the marketplace. Not worth my time or money to even think about it.
As far as the OP's seller, my observation is that people who behave in a shitty manner, sooner or later it comes back to bite them in the ass so I don't worry about it. Karma will take care of it.
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 15:32
That may not have been your intent, but intent is difficult to judge by the written word.
When you say;
...that literally indicates disbelief in what the OP stated.
Based on what you're saying, if you came out and said something like, "That's unbelievable that someone would act that way on a deal.", I think it would more effectively indicate where the disbelief lays.I would say if you are getting that from what I wrote then you are just looking too far and overthinking it. I even said I was curious the story given. I was hoping it would provide additional details and verification for myself before I posted my own opinion on the matter.
I gotta say after hearing so many posts it really put me on the fence for what I would do if that exact thing happened to me. I'm biased by my own opinion obviously but the other side of the coin & several of ya'll putting your two cents forward really made me think twice about how I would proceed after the OP deets. I know right away I would be BEYOND peeved. But after hearing the other side I'm not sure if it would be worth pursuing either. Haha ahh how quickly minds can be changed just doscussing it quite simply. It's strange. As far as first impressions? I'm waaaayy brash, open, honest, outspoken, SUPER talkative, etc etc. I also stand pretty tall (another story behind the nickname) kinda guy and I'm a super extra & loud extrovert so I do apologize in advance for that.
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Oh, so now it's my fault. Gotcha'.
No popcorn for me. I am on a food diet.
No popcorn for me. I am on a food diet.
I guess that rules out horse meat?.
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Not sure why this side dispute is dominating this thread. Think every side has made their case at this point.
Martinjmpr
09-16-2021, 16:30
No popcorn for me. I am on a food diet.
Me too. I am only eating food these days.
Cutting fiberglass, plutonium and asbestos from my diet makes me feel much better!
bigdlebowski22
09-16-2021, 16:49
Oh, so now it's my fault. Gotcha'.Come on man, I even publicly apologize for how my message come off as it did without meaning it to be that way in the first place. Are we gonna let bygones be bygones or are we gonna keep shaking our yardsticks? [emoji2321] I elect to move [emoji3591][emoji3591][emoji3591][emoji3591][emoji3591]
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buffalobo
09-16-2021, 16:49
Quoted from Sroz - "Think every side has made their case at this point."
And op had his say. Good time to punt.
theGinsue
09-16-2021, 17:52
Lol what are ya'll on about? What's the story about "Les"?
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Check out this thread for a better understanding of Les: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/96645-Les-Fletcher-of-Plano-TX-ripped-me-off-on-Armslist-need-ideas?highlight=les+fletcher%2C+plano%2Ctx
I never once insinuated it that way though. I was just floored that actually happened. I've been a victim of indian-giving, take backsies, and all that but that story just was like "dude! seriously.. did that just happen?!" Honestly never heard a story about a deal going sour like that and I'm naturally uber curious so I was asking cause it's straight messed up. I do apologize if that's the vibe you (and/or anyone else for that matter) pulled from the context but that was NOT what I meant by my question at all. My question was purely inquisitive and genuine. I never asked to cast doubt in any way..
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One thing to remember is that the site doesn't have a sarcasm font and "No shit?!" type of incredulousness rarely translates in the written word (unless you actually use those words). These two types of responses are often misjudged here which is why a lot of the old timers here use work-around's to this that they've developed over time. You'll develop them too.
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