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They said they can't deliver to my address. I couldn't find a reason why on their website. Was there a law passed or something Colorado did to stop buying machined parts through the mail? I could still buy every part I was looking for locally I'm sure.
What gives?
As always thanks for your time.
ETA:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-10-5-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-9-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-shockwave-pistol-kit.html
colorider
09-22-2021, 14:22
What were you buying ? Was it something that came with a forbidden accessory such as a mag that was over the round limit?
kidicarus13
09-22-2021, 15:34
Would need to know what "machined parts" are. It is a nondescript term in the firearms world.
APEXgunparts
09-22-2021, 15:49
They said they can't deliver to my address. I couldn't find a reason why on their website. Was there a law passed or something Colorado did to stop buying machined parts through the mail? I could still buy every part I was looking for locally I'm sure.
What gives?
As always thanks for your time.
I remember reading that some E-Commerce companies (Rock Auto was one) wont sell to selected zip codes in Colorado due to the requirement to collect and pay the state/county/city sales tax.
It is because some of the locations in this state don't have a way/office/process where you can send the funds to, or require you to purchase a sales tax license so the business can collect the taxes.
APEX went thru that exercise, and found a company to manage all the state and county sales tax collection nationwide, Colorado cities are done thru my book keeper.
Try placing your order with a different "deliver to" address.
Richard
^ I remember that thread.
APEXgunparts
09-22-2021, 17:02
Another complication in the lives of the citizens of Colorado thanks to the wonderful selection of law makers we have residing in the statehouse.
It isn't easy for a business to handle either!
If Colorado had an office to handle the collection/distribution of the sales taxes it would not be so time consuming or costly to comply with the law.
Instead you have to chase down the sales tax people in every city, some of which don't want to hear from you.
Richard
bellavite1
09-22-2021, 17:10
Well, if you were trying to buy an AR upper, I know of someone that is selling one locally to you...[Coffee]
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/185210-WTS-PSA-Dissipator-upper-receiver-16-quot-Mid-lenghth-250
KevDen2005
09-22-2021, 17:33
Well I for one completely agree with them, if it saves just one life
These people help with deciding what taxes to charge customers, based on location.
https://www.avalara.com/us/en/index.html
But it should all be documented somewhere. If you sell to Colorado, mainly, you will have 100 tax codes to enter.
I've done sales taxes before, and the way to do it is to automate your Point of Sale to note the sales taxes that should be paid, based on the customer location.
Then you end up with a report like:
State of Colorado: X
RTD: Y
City of Aurora: Z
Out of State: A
etc.
Also, it doesn't have to be perfect. These jurisdictions have no idea what is going on. It just has to be consistent, with your best effort to pay the proper jurisdictions the taxes they require.
For Colorado, I think, this is a free resource that helps you identify tax districts
https://portal.taxify.co/Web/Public/CO.aspx
Remember that you are only remitting the taxes you have collected.
Try to collect the taxes right, and remit what you collect.
Nobody will come after you.
And forgive me, but mail order companies should absolutely be required to collect and remit taxes.
Local businesses have to collect and remit taxes. Fuck Mail Order.
Things get complex on taxes fast once you go past State / City tax.
I just did a lookup based on my location
Colorado Sales Tax 2.90%
El Paso County Sales Tax 1.23%
Colorado Springs Sales Tax 3.07%
Pikes Peak RTA Sales Tax 1.00%
I say screw taxes - but that is my thoughts. They are way - way too complex - too many fingers in my pie.
https://colorado.ttr.services/
Tell that to your legislator(s), and vote Republican.
eddiememphis
09-22-2021, 18:57
Fuck Mail Order.
I think that is the point.
No, right now they think they can just not ship to Colorado. They will learn that every state, every jurisdiction is going to require they collect and pay taxes, just as local businesses have to do.
Bailey Guns
09-22-2021, 19:51
Fuck Mail Order.
I'd never get anything.
I order everything online.
Because screw small businesses. Especially in Colorado.
Just doing my part to ruin the local economy in an effort to swing the politics in this state.
This was the item in question.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-10-5-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-9-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-shockwave-pistol-kit.html
I order everything online.
Because screw small businesses. Especially in Colorado.
Just doing my part to ruin the local economy in an effort to swing the politics in this state.
I give local businesses their "fair share" of my money. I am going to have to buy a lower locally.
And forgive me, but mail order companies should absolutely be required to collect and remit taxes.
Local businesses have to collect and remit taxes. Fuck Mail Order.
Do you like small businesses?
Because I don't think you understand how that process works. Colorado for instance, requires you to file a return for each and every jurisdiction. So no, you're not collecting and remitting taxes to the State of Colorado....
Open a small "mail order" business you despise and suddenly you may need hundreds of sales tax licenses and you need to file HUNDREDS of sales tax returns just in CO, likely quarterly, much less other states. Meanwhile, your competitors (Amazon, Walmart) have that fully automated. So yeah, Walmart was lobbying for what you agree with because it's actually helpful to their online sector, as it is to Amazon. Helps limit entry of any new market competitors - whether a small business does the returns all themselves (and have no time at all left to do business) or hire a third party company to do it, they can't ever get to a place where they are competitive, because the big guys do it for next to no additional overhead at all.
I'm not sure I've ever felt like....
"You know what, some people aren't paying their fair share of 40-70 cents on the dollar to government, we need to make sure government robs every red cent it is entitled to, it's only fair!"
The additional revenues from anything always get squandered. What has marijuana taxes gone for... Schools? BAHAHAHAHAHA
I've run a small business before, and collected and remitted sales taxes. I have lost business to the mail order companies, due to the fact that they don't have to collect and remit taxes.
It's not hard to automate things. Takes some setup time etc. I don't care if it is 100s, or 1000s of different sales tax jurisdictions.
What is hard to compete against, is when one entity does not have to collect or remit sales taxes at all.
This was the item in question.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-10-5-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-9-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-shockwave-pistol-kit.html
At what point in checkout did you get denied?
I could get all the way to Submit order.
APEXgunparts
09-22-2021, 21:59
These people help with deciding what taxes to charge customers, based on location.
https://www.avalara.com/us/en/index.html
But it should all be documented somewhere. If you sell to Colorado, mainly, you will have 100 tax codes to enter.
I've done sales taxes before, and the way to do it is to automate your Point of Sale to note the sales taxes that should be paid, based on the customer location.
Then you end up with a report like:
State of Colorado: X
RTD: Y
City of Aurora: Z
Out of State: A
etc.
APEX Gun Parts has been using Avalara in conjunction with our web site since it first became available.
They charge us for the service, but there is no practical way to do the job with office staff at the national level.
Even Avalara won't drill down to the level required by Colorado.
We do the best we can, but some municipalities don't have a process in place to do what the state mandated.
ALSO, I have noted on some AMAZON purchases tax wasn't collected and the fine print stated it was the BUYER's task to submit the proper sales taxes to the offices that collect it.
I would also like to point out that quite often these large local retail locations are given incentives to locate to the state/county/city that they are in.
These incentives usually take the form of tax breaks, both property and sales tax (the store keeps what they collect) for a specified number of years.
APEX employs about 40 people now in 2 locations, and pay taxes on 3 warehouses, I feel we are good member of the community here, SO I take negative comment's about mail order companies rather personally.
Richard
And forgive me, but mail order companies should absolutely be required to collect and remit taxes.
Local businesses have to collect and remit taxes. Fuck Mail Order.
False. Zero local infrastructure or services are used to support that sale. If I bought the good in a sales tax free jurisdiction why does Denver get to tax it? Tax should be collected at point of sale, not point of delivery. Fvck greedy taxing jurisdictions. And I will never pay use tax to this undeserving state.
At what point in checkout did you get denied?
I could get all the way to Submit order.
I got stopped at proceed to check out. A little screen showed up that send "some items in your cart can not be sent to your area." I tried a lakewood address and the same thing happened.
I got stopped at proceed to check out. A little screen showed up that send "some items in your cart can not be sent to your area." I tried a lakewood address and the same thing happened.
Seems my Parker (Doug CO) address was fine?
I did proceed, review, and stopped at submit because I don't need a PSA 10.5" CARBINE-LENGTH 5.56 NATO 1/7 NITRIDE 9" LIGHTWEIGHT M-LOK MOE EPT SHOCKWAVE PISTOL KIT
They wrote back with boilerplate answer (e.g. check your cookies, read our restricted item list...) I think they were mad about my ad blocking stuff. But I disabled it and was about to proceed until they said it wouldn't be sent to my area. However, I did see on their restriction page they do collect taxes in Colorado. I think maybe they written off everyone in Denver? I'm not a commie. I'm just behind enemy lines.
I?m a sole proprietor that works all around Colorado and I have to collect the local sales tax for the items I sell in those locations.. it?s a fucking nightmare. Some cities are cooperating with the state collection system which at least lets you use a single spreadsheet and write a single check, others that are home rule cities or simply cities that collect their own tax are still requiring that you have a sales tax license in their city and remit a sales tax return every quarter even if it was a one time sale. Larkspur for instance requires that you get a sales tax license that costs something like $45 to get in the first place then they want you to pay a renewal fee every year of $45 when I collect $25 in tax for them and if I collect more than $40 then they want me to file a return every month.
Try an address near mine and you will see what I mean.
205 Grove st
Denver, Co. 80219
BladesNBarrels
09-23-2021, 07:57
I?m a sole proprietor that works all around Colorado and I have to collect the local sales tax for the items I sell in those locations.. it?s a fucking nightmare. Some cities are cooperating with the state collection system which at least lets you use a single spreadsheet and write a single check, others that are home rule cities or simply cities that collect their own tax are still requiring that you have a sales tax license in their city and remit a sales tax return every quarter even if it was a one time sale. Larkspur for instance requires that you get a sales tax license that costs something like $45 to get in the first place then they want you to pay a renewal fee every year of $45 when I collect $25 in tax for them and if I collect more than $40 then they want me to file a return every month.
One solution, as used by some small businesses, is to require a UPS shipping account.
When a buyer purchases a product and has it picked up by UPS using the buyer's account, the title transfers at the seller's location and tax is assessed at that point.
UPS then delivers to the buyer's location with no additional tax due.
I am not aware of any other delivery service that has that same protection other than UPS.
It is viewed as a pick-up from will-call.
eddiememphis
09-23-2021, 08:42
Try an address near mine and you will see what I mean.
205 Grove st
Denver, Co. 80219
Grove Street? Do you know Carl Johnson?
babarsac
09-23-2021, 08:52
I've had a similar issue with PSA. I live in unincorporated Arapahoe County with a Denver address. PSA says they can't ship to Denver County even though...you know... geography.
Brownells, Aim surplus, DSA, and KyGunCO have no issue shipping to me.
Grove Street? Do you know Carl Johnson?
I'm bad with names. I know a few Carls. Do you have a pic?
Try an address near mine and you will see what I mean.
205 Grove st
Denver, Co. 80219
If you are shipping to a Denver address could it be that they are refusing to ship because of the Denver assault weapons ban even though technically those parts are still legal?
colorider
09-23-2021, 10:56
I’ve ordered several dozen of “kits” from palmetto with no problem. I live in Westminster. May be a Denver thing.
sportbikeco
09-23-2021, 11:44
It's a Denver thing...
They would not ship an SKS to my (non-Denver) FFL with a Denver bill to address on my credit card due to the Denver "assault weapons ban" which does not even apply to an all stock SKS for a few reasons....
Aloha_Shooter
09-24-2021, 20:23
I've run a small business before, and collected and remitted sales taxes. I have lost business to the mail order companies, due to the fact that they don't have to collect and remit taxes.
It's not hard to automate things. Takes some setup time etc. I don't care if it is 100s, or 1000s of different sales tax jurisdictions.
What is hard to compete against, is when one entity does not have to collect or remit sales taxes at all.
The difference is that your small local business only had to worry about tax codes and remitting paperwork to a single city, a single county, a single state. Mail order has to keep track of the ever-changing tax codes and policies in every taxable jurisdiction they sell to. Automatiion helps but yeah, they're going to have to keep that database AND the software updated constantly because individual cities and counties change their policies frequently -- and they often don't publish those changes outside their local venue. You have to make sure your item database has everything coded right -- this product is considered a food product in county A and therefore not taxed but it IS taxed in county B. County C doesn't tax food products but doesn't consider this to be food. State D doesn't care because they tax food products...
And on top of it all, you need to pay potentially a thousand+ in sales tax licenses annually. Fun times, brought to you by mega-corporations like Walmart and Target - clearly, it must be good for the small business since they support it so heavily [ROFL2]
Damn South Dakota.
Damned USSC for flipping on interstate taxation by state governments... only the Feds have that authority.
USMC88-93
09-25-2021, 19:04
It ends up biting me in the ass with some companies, because I have a zip code that covers both part of Denver and part of Wheat Ridge. When their automated systems throw that zip code in almost invariably it assumes Denver and not Wheat Ridge.
BladesNBarrels
09-26-2021, 16:12
It ends up biting me in the ass with some companies, because I have a zip code that covers both part of Denver and part of Wheat Ridge. When their automated systems throw that zip code in almost invariably it assumes Denver and not Wheat Ridge.
Yep, same problem with my zip code.
I am in the city of Lakewood, but the post office assigned me to a Littleton zip code, and would not accept the city of Lakewood as part of my address.
Even Jefferson County has problems finding me when it comes to registering to vote, vehicles, etc.
Had an insurance company claim I was committing fraud by listing my address as Littleton.
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Update. This maybe a dead thread. But I tried one last time to give them my money for lower parts kit. It went through and after I bought the lower I from a local shop I got home to see an email that they are not sending any AK or AR parts to my city. Bye PSA you were good while you lasted.
Linkless
02-24-2023, 23:46
Sometimes the companies screw up and won't ship because they have applied the magazine limit to the wrong items. I couldn't order non-extending base pads for my 10mm witness magazines from grabagun because they couldn't ship them to Colorado. I ordered elsewhere but notified them of the issue and thye have corrected it.
That could be the case. Maybe I will call them to see whats up with not sending parts?
Anyone have suggestions of where I can get a decent kit?
Bailey Guns
02-25-2023, 07:57
Aim Surplus usually has some really great deals on LPKs. I've ordered several from them. I got a few made by White *Something* Arsenal...can't remember the name. Best triggers I've ever found in a standard LPK and it was on sale for $35-ish.
ETA: It's White Label Armory. But they're sold out. They do have Anderson LPKs for $36.95.
I looked through my box of extras. I have most of the LPK like trigger and a few springs, selector.
What I need is a buffer tube spring, stock castle nut...
I spelled buffer tube, bugger tube by accident. Lol for those of us with a high school sense of humor.
I recently ordered from PSA with no problem but was shocked at the tax they charged 10%. Oh and I donated to GOA with them at check out and they charged tax on the donation.
Yep, same problem with my zip code.
I am in the city of Lakewood, but the post office assigned me to a Littleton zip code, and would not accept the city of Lakewood as part of my address.
Even Jefferson County has problems finding me when it comes to registering to vote, vehicles, etc.
Had an insurance company claim I was committing fraud by listing my address as Littleton.
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I have this issue with ZIP code being in an incorporated area and having a City ZIP.
There is sales tax refund form that the cities will have to get your sales tax back.
I had the city very upset with me because I wanted around $3 back. They made the argument it will cost them 2 to 3 hours of work to issue the refund and i just needed to let it go because it was only $3. I said it was my $3 and they needed to let it go because its only a few hours work. I got my $3. I still bother them occasionally when the computer systems dont work (it is much better than right after the implementation)
Liberty in Ft Collins had tons low parts kits last time I was there...
I'm missing a few pieces from leftovers I had laying around. I don't think I will need a whole parts kit just to have spare parts again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17dQS_DrdmuC9IHwTd81WyA-MSFnEeplK/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DAg7uzLYnLwh2gvG2w4vrd6xtymgwneS/view?usp=share_link
DOC, I bet it's becuase you share a zip code with Denver, being in Lakewood... they have certain zip codes blocked, but not all of CO as far as I know.
bellavite1
02-28-2023, 10:58
In Wheatridge we get AR shipments from PSA just fine...
ZIP is 80212.
I ordered some parts from Midway. I want to thank everyone for their advice and help. Long story short. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face. PSA is dead to me now and I won't be shopping there anymore. I am going to send thank you notes to those that went above and beyond.
eddiememphis
02-28-2023, 17:51
They are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
I doubt that. They are likely erring on the side of caution.
Thanks for your help. The build went smooth. I just need to stake the castle nut and take it for range day. I will of course have to share pictures of my build. PSA is doing gods work. But they have forsaken Denver. And that sucks.
I have everything delivered to my shop anyway, so that there's always someone there to receive it. Fortunately, Golden has yet to jump on the BANdwagon...
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