ANYONE SEEN THESE LOWERS BEFORE??!!

[bigdlebowski22]

So I got an email for daily deals for PSA yesterday and was dumbfounded to see M4A1 auto lowers for sale. I didn't know you could buy them in the first place, let alone on PSA. So now I'm uber curious as to if they are legal to purchase (esp in Colorado), what the law is on them, how you can do builds with em, tips/suggestions, etc etc etc....just any and ALL info ya'll have on this matter. I have been researching myself since I saw the sale ad and found a bunch but I'm still quite interested in hearing what ya'll say to the topic!!

Ohhhhh wee hoss!! I'm ecstatic to be learning more about this part of the gun world. I'm still new to many aspects of the gun world (OBVIOUSLY lol [emoji38] [emoji23]) but I'm EAGER to learn so whatchya'll got for me!!

Thanks in advance for any info, suggestions, tips, etc ya'll add to this thread. Attached is a screenshot of the M4A1 lower on PSA.

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[kidicarus13]

They are stamped differently to excite people, otherwise the same PSA lower they've been offering for years. That is all.

[Little Dutch]

Same ol thing. PSA offers different roll stamps to keep the suckers purchasing. I bought one of the A4 lowers from them a few months ago.

It?s not a select fire, if that?s what you are wondering.

[bigdlebowski22]

So they can't be selected on "auto"? That's about where my info drops off.

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[buffalobo]

In an AR15/M4/M16 pattern rifle full auto vs semi auto is determined by sere design not reciever design.

[bellavite1]

Don't see no third hole, so it's semi.

[brutal]

In an AR15/M4/M16 pattern rifle full auto vs semi auto is determined by sere design not reciever design.

Sear, as in there would have to be a 3rd hole for an auto sear... (barring the use of an RDIAS or LL).

Honestly, it seems this member is either playing everyone or juvenile. Nobody that does guns can be this dumb on guns.

[Eric P]

Better destroy all those AR lowers that have auto or the 3rd selector position identified on the safety.

[bigdlebowski22]

Sear, as in there would have to be a 3rd hole for an auto sear... (barring the use of an RDIAS or LL).

Honestly, it seems this member is either playing everyone or juvenile. Nobody that does guns can be this dumb on guns.Actually, I'm learning about it. I apologize if my gun expertise is not on your level but HEY!! that's why I'm here. I'm learning. I'm asking questions. I'm researching. I enjoy hunting and shooting and I want to learn more. If you don't want to divulge your secrets that's fine but I am moved to ask that you should consider being respectful even to the noobs that are looking to learn...

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[bigdlebowski22]

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[00tec]

Can you legally obtain the correct sear that would select all three modes and still continue the build as normal after? You see autos on gun brokers and at gun shows but I've never known or understood the build for an auto. Defs curious either way!

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If you're asking that question, you can't afford it.
A registered pre-1986 sear or lightning link is gonna cost what a decent used pickup does.

[bigdlebowski22]

In an AR15/M4/M16 pattern rifle full auto vs semi auto is determined by sere design not reciever design.Can you legally obtain the correct sear that would select all three modes and still continue the build as normal after? You see autos on gun brokers and at gun shows but I've never known or understood the build for an auto. Defs curious either way!

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[Great-Kazoo]

Still curious to the answers regardless. Doesn't hurt to know or to even have something to aim for.

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IF you don't have $20k laying around, in disposable income, to start. It's not something you want to deal with. FYI: There's all sorts of info out there regarding nfa item's. Some right, some possibly right and others from experts. complete bullshit.

[Hoser]

Can you legally obtain the correct sear that would select all three modes and still continue the build as normal after? You see autos on gun brokers and at gun shows but I've never known or understood the build for an auto. Defs curious either way!


Nope.

You have to pony up 20-35 grand if you want a full auto M-16.

[buffalobo]

Can you legally obtain the correct sear that would select all three modes and still continue the build as normal after? You see autos on gun brokers and at gun shows but I've never known or understood the build for an auto. Defs curious either way!

Sent from my SM-N986U using TapatalkAs Hoser said, no.

Maybe a little confusion still for you concerning terms.

AR15 is a semi automatic self(auto) loading rifle. It fires one round with each trigger pull and automatically reloads the chamber with each round fired.

M16 is a fully automatic self(auto) loading rifle. It fires rounds and automatically reloads chamber as long as trigger is actuated(pulled back).

Both rifles are auto loading but only the M16 is auto fire(as long as trigger pressed) and falls under NFA rules(tax stamp etc).

[bigdlebowski22]

IF you don't have $20k laying around, in disposable income, to start. It's not something you want to deal with. FYI: There's all sorts of info out there regarding nfa item's. Some right, some possibly right and others from experts. complete bullshit.BIIIIIIIIIIIG reason I'm asking here heh heh cause best I figure groups of gun owners, enthusiasts, etc would know better than me and I want to learn more for sure so I also figure I could learn and hopefully make a few friends along the way.

Thank ya for the info. I saw autos at that price and I figured that was how builds would be too. That is the main reason I'm asking. I wasn't sure if there were more ways to build them legally or not. I'm hoping to dig into that subject today after I get things done for the day.

As for everyone else adding to the pile.. THANK YOU!! I appreciate any info ya'll submit to help aid in the pursuit of knowledge and self betterment. I got into shooting and gun enthusiasm & ownership before I found out I had cancer several years ago so through treatment I couldn't get out and enjoy it like wanted to but now I'm starting to pick it up again (albeit in super tough times today) and I want to enjoy myself while doing it. I figure what I learn can also be passed onto my kiddos and they can have a better handle on it then I was ever given.

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[bigdlebowski22]

As Hoser said, no.

Maybe a little confusion still for you concerning terms.

AR15 is a semi automatic self(auto) loading rifle. It fires one round with each trigger pull and automatically reloads the chamber with each round fired.

M16 is a fully automatic self(auto) loading rifle. It fires rounds and automatically reloads chamber as long as trigger is actuated(pulled back).

Both rifles are auto loading but only the M16 is auto fire(as long as trigger pressed) and falls under NFA rules(tax stamp etc).Thanks for that info!!

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[Ranger353]

Another option would be for a group of individuals to form a trust, with each person named a Trustee in the trust. Then, use said trust to pull their funds and purchase an NFA stamp with/for the M-16 under the trust. All named Trustees in the trust then are allowed legal access to the said NFA item and own a portion, or fraction of the NFA item.

Just an idea...

[bigdlebowski22]

Another option would be for a group of individuals to form a trust, with each person named a Trustee in the trust. Then, use said trust to pull their funds and purchase an NFA stamp with/for the M-16 under the trust. All named Trustees in the trust then are allowed legal access to the said NFA item and own a portion, or fraction of the NFA item.

Just an idea...Brooooooo!!! That's using the ole' noggin!!

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[JohnnyDrama]

All that being said, not a bad price for a lower. I'd get tired of explaining it to other people at the range though.

[ray1970]

I'd get tired of explaining it to other people at the range though.

Weird. I?ve been shooting at various ranges for thirty years and I?ve never once had to explain anything to anyone.

I?ve had plenty of stuff marked ?property of US Govt.? and ?law enforcement use only? and the vast majority of my AR receivers have some sort of ?full auto? markings on the receiver.

[FoxtArt]

Registered Drop in Auto Sears are legally obtainable so long as they are manufacturered Pre-86, originally serialized and registered with the ATF. Transferred on a ATF form with a $200 tax stamp and a lengthy process.

The narrow date range for them being serialized and pre-86' makes most of them fall into a narrow timeframe and they are quite rare. Last I had glanced, $10,000-$14,000 could be expected, but I have been out of touch with prices for a very long time.

ETA: RDIAS are independent of the lower they are installed in. As long as it is properly a pre-86 transferrable and purchased with the ATF forms and tax stamps, they can be installed into any compatible lower receiver, including these. They do, however, eventually wear out which makes them possibly not the best investment.

ETA 2: Also by memory, I think the usual date range is 81 to 86 on serialized transferrable RDIAS, but I might be off, haven't looked that up in a loooong time. I'm sure inflation has hit NFA significantly in the last two years.

[bigdlebowski22]

That's weird. I have been reading you can get what is it the FFL with an SOT3 something or another (been a hot minute since I read about it so I am not perfectly clear on the details anymore) getting approved via the ATF and all that jazz then being able to 3D print auto sears yourself after serializing it and paying a tax stamp you can use it. I think I'm gonna have to dig that up and see if I'm mistaken, remembering wrong, or what that dealio is cause I was interested to get the FFL and I started to jumped the hoops for the special classification but found out the ATF would have to inspect the building and such of where I would be doing my FFL and gun stuff at or whatever. Please bear with me, I'm sure some of this info is wrong and some of ya'll are prob shaking your heads about it but in actuality when I found out about the inspection and all that I basically "NOPED" right out of that snowball of an idea because that made me uneasy. I slammed on the brakes and pulled a Uturn until I was sure but at this time, I'm still unsure if that's what I want to do and reading what was recently said piqued my curiosity....if I got the FFL w/ the special classification would I be able to legally make serialized 3D DIAS's for myself? That's actually what made me read up on it all in the first place. I believe someone was trying to make money by offering books on how to pass your paperwork, appts, inspections, etc etc so you didn't fail (and lose money for that matter) trying to get the FFL & the special classification. I saw DIAS and was like ummmmm WTF is that?! So I looked into it, found out, and was entirely intrigued because I have owned bumps stocks before, fired autos before, and it's noce honestly. It defs put a strain on how much ammo you use esp when going to the range but regardless it has its' own merits. It interested me so I dug a little further finding this dude that was selling his information on how to jump through the ATF's hoops and get to where you want. I am pretty sure the seller said you can make your own DIAS's with the FFL & the classification but like I said when I heard about the inspections and such I slammed on the brakes. I was unsure but I just left it at that and decided not to go any further that way. After hearing some of the new info on this thread I'm curious if being able to manufacture your own serialized DIAS's is at all possible now. I'm also curious if the DIAS mention was just a gimmick to get ppl to buy the products this guy was offering to pass all of the ATF's nonsense even though I prob couldn't legally get DIAS's (maybe he was lying idk). Even as I type this I'm left wondering about it and whether or not I have been had and that I'm glad I decided to pump the brakes. I mean ffs the pre86 shit is PURE BS as I have no control over a law that happened around my birth year and how it can limit the scope of my purchases and wants in the shooter/hunting world. Seems a bit unfair really. Why can't I enjoy autos too? I get making it harder for ppl who would do harm but honestly the black market will help those ppl regardless of any BS laws the ATF spews out. And 10k to 15k on the ability to make your ar auto is nothing short of ridiculous imho but I digress. As I said, I'm left here wondering about it and it's not a great feeling for sure. Almost seems satirical...

[O2HeN2]

My gawd, please try to rewrite that in a coherent manner with at minimum paragraph breaks and ask specific questions.

Been meaning to reply to this thread. It boils down to this:

Lower correctly milled and drilled for full-auto parts: $100
Tax stamp that keeps you out of jail: $25k

It's that simple.

O2

[bigdlebowski22]

My gawd, please try to rewrite that in a coherent manner with at minimum paragraph breaks and ask specific questions.

Been meaning to reply to this thread. It boils down to this:

Lower correctly milled and drilled for full-auto parts: $100
Tax stamp that keeps you out of jail: $25k

It's that simple.

O2Simmer down... why the hostility?

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[ClangClang]

That's weird. I have been reading you can get what is it the FFL with an SOT3 something or another (been a hot minute since I read about it so I am not perfectly clear on the details anymore) getting approved via the ATF and all that jazz then being able to 3D print auto sears yourself after serializing it and paying a tax stamp you can use it. I think I'm gonna have to dig that up and see if I'm mistaken, remembering wrong, or what that dealio is cause I was interested to get the FFL and I started to jumped the hoops for the special classification but found out the ATF would have to inspect the building and such of where I would be doing my FFL and gun stuff at or whatever. Please bear with me, I'm sure some of this info is wrong and some of ya'll are prob shaking your heads about it but in actuality when I found out about the inspection and all that I basically "NOPED" right out of that snowball of an idea because that made me uneasy. I slammed on the brakes and pulled a Uturn until I was sure but at this time, I'm still unsure if that's what I want to do and reading what was recently said piqued my curiosity....if I got the FFL w/ the special classification would I be able to legally make serialized 3D DIAS's for myself? That's actually what made me read up on it all in the first place. I believe someone was trying to make money by offering books on how to pass your paperwork, appts, inspections, etc etc so you didn't fail (and lose money for that matter) trying to get the FFL & the special classification. I saw DIAS and was like ummmmm WTF is that?! So I looked into it, found out, and was entirely intrigued because I have owned bumps stocks before, fired autos before, and it's noce honestly. It defs put a strain on how much ammo you use esp when going to the range but regardless it has its' own merits. It interested me so I dug a little further finding this dude that was selling his information on how to jump through the ATF's hoops and get to where you want. I am pretty sure the seller said you can make your own DIAS's with the FFL & the classification but like I said when I heard about the inspections and such I slammed on the brakes. I was unsure but I just left it at that and decided not to go any further that way. After hearing some of the new info on this thread I'm curious if being able to manufacture your own serialized DIAS's is at all possible now. I'm also curious if the DIAS mention was just a gimmick to get ppl to buy the products this guy was offering to pass all of the ATF's nonsense even though I prob couldn't legally get DIAS's (maybe he was lying idk). Even as I type this I'm left wondering about it and whether or not I have been had and that I'm glad I decided to pump the brakes. I mean ffs the pre86 shit is PURE BS as I have no control over a law that happened around my birth year and how it can limit the scope of my purchases and wants in the shooter/hunting world. Seems a bit unfair really. Why can't I enjoy autos too? I get making it harder for ppl who would do harm but honestly the black market will help those ppl regardless of any BS laws the ATF spews out. And 10k to 15k on the ability to make your ar auto is nothing short of ridiculous imho but I digress. As I said, I'm left here wondering about it and it's not a great feeling for sure. Almost seems satirical...




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Dude.... paragraphs.

[bigdlebowski22]

Dude.... paragraphs.This isn't English class... it's a forum, back off.

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[Hoser]

This isn't English class... it's a forum, back off.


I tried to read what you had typed and gave up after about two sentences.

[00tec]

This isn't English class... it's a forum, back off.

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Woo-sah

He's not attacking you, but you have to realize that a huge block of words like that is difficult to read, especially on mobile devices.

Personally, I made it about 20% of the way before I gave up.

[crays]

This isn't English class... it's a forum, back off.

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They're actually trying to help you. If you are looking for information and answers, your questions, enquiries and such need to be easy to read. Most people here are going to look at a giant block of words and skip right on past it. I know I tend to, especially if it is a recurring trait of any particular member.

You can get away with a lot of grammatical and spelling faux pas around here if your content is otherwise structured so that it is easy to read and digest.

My 2 cents... Take it or leave it.

[bigdlebowski22]

Not what it feels like honestly but regardless it would've still.been just as long. Fk it though I'll just delete my post and leave the group. Fuck me for saying something .... way to be assholes.

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[00tec]

That was quick.

Bye

[buffalobo]

If you make it hard to read folks won't read it and you will get troll replies. Then you get offended and reply in offense to others and then they get offended and I have to moderate.

You make the effort and others will make the effort.

[buffalobo]

Spoken like a true asshole [emoji106] fk you too [emoji867]

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