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Could the American people who dislike the Government get together and call sit our asses out in protest of the Government? Is there anything in the constitution that would apply to it? If the majority of the people decided we aren't going to do anything until the administration is out is there any way that could work? Looking at approval poles and internet forums it seems both sides don't like Ol Sniffer. The problem would be where to go from there I guess?
I tend to think your employer and social circles are the things that you’d need to be most concerned about… but could be an interesting tactic if even a fairly small percentage of people just “stopped”…. I believe some of that is what’s already happening and causing supply chain issues due to lack of dock workers, truckers, etc.
Wouldn't accomplish anything. Same as the complete failure of Occupy Wallstreet. No direction, no goals, no uniformity of the participants.
+1. Right now the left knows they have about a year left to grab everything they can and run. They think they are saving everyone from themselves while conveniently targeting their political opposition. There is no argument with that mindset. Their current calculations expect them to lose seven senate seats in 2022. Note I said "their", that is the democratic party estimation. Their actions seem like a desperate grab, because it is. Even the progressive caucus is demanding they rush to get as much as they can before the opportunity is lost for good.
Basically you can't get them worried about elections or recall when they already expect to lose.
colorider
10-11-2021, 11:06
Was at the local Buffalo Wild Wings last Thursday afternoon when a "Let's go Brandon" chant erupted. There were quite a few patrons with Grunt Style Tshirts on and also quite a few with patriotic shirts on. I'd say a Citizen Strike is highly likely.
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2021, 11:23
I will always think of Trump as the president that when I came back from overseas, there was no milk, toilet paper & meat at my local store. Oil was -14 dollars a barrel. Discussion of fighting the virus was consuming disinfectant and ultra violet light. What scared me the most, was the guy was serious...
hollohas
10-11-2021, 12:22
I will always think of Trump as the president that when I came back from overseas, there was no milk, toilet paper & meat at my local store. Oil was -14 dollars a barrel. Discussion of fighting the virus was consuming disinfectant and ultra violet light. What scared me the most, was the guy was serious...You think Trump was the root cause of all that nonsense and the subsequent economic problems? The guy who got absolutely harpooned for telling people to keep calm?
Was at the local Buffalo Wild Wings last Thursday afternoon when a "Let's go Brandon" chant erupted. There were quite a few patrons with Grunt Style Tshirts on and also quite a few with patriotic shirts on. I'd say a Citizen Strike is highly likely.
At the request of another member here, the "Let's go Brandon" decals are being cut today
The decal currently on my truck is a bit "louder"
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2021, 12:36
You think Trump was the root cause of all that nonsense and the subsequent economic problems? The guy who got absolutely harpooned for telling people to keep calm?
It was Trumps response that I had a problem with. The guy is an idiot and the voters showed him the door. He should stick to hotels, golfing and Dancing With The Stars.
theGinsue
10-11-2021, 12:38
What size will these decals be? Might be interested in a couple.
hurley842002
10-11-2021, 12:44
The guy is an idiot
Coming from you, this is laughable.
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theGinsue
10-11-2021, 12:49
It was Trumps response that I had a problem with. The guy is an idiot and the voters showed him the door. He should stick to hotels, golfing and Dancing With The Stars.
Not a Trump fanboy here but the guy is no idiot except when it comes to keeping his mouth shut.
Against constant pressure from both the Left and the Right, Trump got our economy in a really good place by the time he'd been in office for 6 months. He also had our Southern border in the best place it's been in the last 5 administrations with it on track to be well secured for generations to come. His and Conservative Congress/Senate efforts to made positive changes to the tax code helped the middle class.
Just think of the amount of positive that could have been done had he actually had partners in Congress working to help the American people instead of fighting him every step of the way and spending millions if not billions on efforts to undermine him.
Blaming Trump is either just buying into the Left's brainwashing or failing to ignore the Orange Man's mean tweets. Either way, it's totally misplaced and is responsible for ushering in this catastrophe of a federal government we have today. So, blame Trump all you want, but ultimately it's folks such as yourself that we have to blame for what we're all having to suffer under today.
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2021, 12:55
Trump needed cartoons to understand his intelligence briefers. I called the White House, his little blonde spokesperson hung up on me. Policy is KMAG YOYO.
What size will these decals be? Might be interested in a couple.
I dunno. Maybe 12x2
I have vinyl up to 24" wide, but try to keep waste to a minimum. Was thinking of cutting several to distribute
Trump needed cartoons to understand his intelligence briefers. I called the White House, his little blonde spokesperson hung up on me. Policy is KMAG YOYO.
Did you ask for a manager too?
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2021, 13:14
Did you ask for a manager too?
I knew when she hung up on me, there was no point in pursuing a conversation. I feel like Eisenhower staring over the English Channel...
Bailey Guns
10-11-2021, 13:20
So, blame Trump all you want, but ultimately it's folks such as yourself that we have to blame for what we're all having to suffer under today.
Thanks. You said that in a much nicer way than I would've.
Bailey Guns
10-11-2021, 13:21
Coming from you, this is laughable.
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How many times have people said we need a "Like" button?
We need a "Like" button...
What is the Let's Go Brandon thing? I've only seen references to the phrase.
OldFogey
10-11-2021, 14:09
What is the Let's Go Brandon thing? I've only seen references to the phrase.
This will provide some context :
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/brandon-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving.php
The reason people dislike like Trump lies directly on his shoulders and no one else's. He wasn't a great guy that everyone hated despite being some Saint. The hissy fit after his loss is going to have to end some day. But I guess we can just keep pointing the finger at each other and go nowhere instead
thedave1164
10-11-2021, 14:25
I will always think of Trump as the president that when I came back from overseas, there was no milk, toilet paper & meat at my local store. Oil was -14 dollars a barrel. Discussion of fighting the virus was consuming disinfectant and ultra violet light. What scared me the most, was the guy was serious...
ROTFL
thanks, I needed a good laugh
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2021, 14:32
I didn't hate Trump. I called the White House and they hung up the phone. The CJCS was so afraid Trump was gonna start a nuclear war he called China. I tried to help and was rebuffed. Irving is right, we have to just get over it. I just hope we haven't traded one evil for another.
I didn't hate Trump. I called the White House and they hung up the phone. The CJCS was so afraid Trump was gonna start a nuclear war he called China. I tried to help and was rebuffed. Irving is right, we have to just get over it. I just hope we haven't traded one evil for another.
LMAO, have you not seen the fucking potato in office now?
What did you really expect to happen by calling up and asking for a supervisor?
Keep those hopes up. I'm sure it'll do you a whole lot of good
I didn't hate Trump. I called the White House and they hung up the phone. The CJCS was so afraid Trump was gonna start a nuclear war he called China. I tried to help and was rebuffed. Irving is right, we have to just get over it. I just hope we haven't traded one evil for another.
Screw all these treasury secretaries and presidents who print out as much cash and deficit as our GDP.
is Ron Paul still running?
Bailey Guns
10-11-2021, 15:35
The reason people dislike like Trump lies directly on his shoulders and no one else's. He wasn't a great guy that everyone hated despite being some Saint. The hissy fit after his loss is going to have to end some day. But I guess we can just keep pointing the finger at each other and go nowhere instead
I think there's some truth to that. On the other hand, are you denying there were many made up claims of Trump misdeeds by his opponents that fueled those hatred fires? Like the infamous Steele dossier? C'mon, man! Trump was hated and reviled by the left more because he won over who he really was.
hollohas
10-11-2021, 15:52
The CJCS was so afraid Trump was gonna start a nuclear war he called China.
Hahaha. The only thing that proves is the CJCS has some of the WORST judgement of anyone in history. That treasonous prick is a complete and total dumbass suffering from a near fatal case of TDS. The least war mongering POTUS in decades, gonna nuke China? Fucking laughable. You should be frightened that he gives advice to Presidents.
buffalobo
10-11-2021, 16:01
I didn't hate Trump. I called the White House and they hung up the phone. The CJCS was so afraid Trump was gonna start a nuclear war he called China. I tried to help and was rebuffed. Irving is right, we have to just get over it. I just hope we haven't traded one evil for another.Out of curiosity, how were you going to help?
BushMasterBoy
10-11-2021, 16:12
It was about Space Force. Ask them.
I think there's some truth to that. On the other hand, are you denying there were many made up claims of Trump misdeeds by his opponents that fueled those hatred fires? Like the infamous Steele dossier? C'mon, man! Trump was hated and reviled by the left more because he won over who he really was.
No not denying at all. I'm confident that there would have been just as much shenanigans no matter who he was. There are arguments all day long about good things to have come out of his administration. We did learn that it wasn't good enough in the face of how he behaved.
hollohas
10-11-2021, 16:40
It was about Space Force. Ask them.Dude, you're drunk, time to go home.
Dude, you're drunk, time to go home.
Man, if I had a dollar for every time I heard that phrase.
Bailey Guns
10-11-2021, 18:08
Out of curiosity, how were you going to help?
That's what I wanted to know. I don't know that I'm more disappointed or more surprised the White House hung up on him and didn't listen to what he suggested. Just crazy, huh?
What is this country coming to when you're just trying to help and the WH won't even listen?
buffalobo
10-11-2021, 18:18
That's what I wanted to know. I don't know that I'm more disappointed or more surprised the White House hung up on him and didn't listen to what he suggested. Just crazy, huh?
What is this country coming to when you're just trying to help and the WH won't even listen?Especially trying to help Space Force. I bet BMB knows more about aliens than anybody we know. Maybe he knows that traitorous bastage Milley is part of the lizard people.
Especially trying to help Space Force. I bet BMB knows more about aliens than anybody we know. Maybe he knows that traitorous bastage Milley is part of the lizard people.
When you says he knows more about aliens, do you mean how they use probes?
buffalobo
10-11-2021, 19:57
Yeah, I'm gonna troll right on passed that one and see if can get back on topic.
buffalobo
10-11-2021, 20:13
I think some pretty serious disruptions could garner a great deal of attention.
Suppose ten thousand dairies across U.S. decided to dump 3 or even 5 days of production down the drain instead of deliver to the store?
hollohas
10-11-2021, 20:50
Suppose ten thousand dairies across U.S. decided to dump 3 or even 5 days of production down the drain instead of deliver to the store?
OMG. There would be a mutiny at my house. I buy 6 gals/week.
I have tons of dry milk and tried to get the tribe to get used to that, but they said hell to the no, we ain't drinking that.
buffalobo
10-11-2021, 22:10
Suppose 1,000,000 truck drivers can be organized into a week off. Grocery stores would run out of food and your garbage cans would be over flowing.
buffalobo
10-11-2021, 22:34
What is the Let's Go Brandon thing? I've only seen references to the phrase.Crowds at sporting events have been chanting "f#ck you, Biden" and it has been "misheard" as "Let's go, Branden".
Also happened when reporter was interviewing winning race car driver named Brandon Brown. A few in the crowd were chanting Let's go, Brandon but many more were chanting F - you Biden.
theGinsue
10-11-2021, 22:41
I think some pretty serious disruptions could garner a great deal of attention.
Suppose ten thousand dairies across U.S. decided to dump 3 or even 5 days of production down the drain instead of deliver to the store?
Now that might break Biden - if there was no milk/cream to make his ice cream.
Great-Kazoo
10-11-2021, 23:10
I think some pretty serious disruptions could garner a great deal of attention.
Suppose ten thousand dairies across U.S. decided to dump 3 or even 5 days of production down the drain instead of deliver to the store?
Serious disruptions? You can't get 100 gun owners in a room to agree. Let alone ten thousand, truckers. Hell i'd wager a good portion of them voted blue.
OtterbatHellcat
10-11-2021, 23:15
That settles it then...fuck truck drivers, they suck.
In for more BMB comments. Comedy Gold.
Don't strike bro, I need my free latte.
My company is not down with the vax mandate poopoo, so I will not poke that bear with a sit in.
I would rock a "Let's Go Brandon" or other similar bumper sticker.
A month without trash pick up and empty grocery store shelves is the norm after a hurricane.
A month without trash pick up and empty grocery store shelves is the norm after a hurricane.
We don't live with hurricanes.
People get pissed when they can't buy Ball jars and expanding foam. "HD, Lowes, KS, Safeway doesn't have it...why don't you!? Tip of the iceberg.
Oh I know people do, but they are also adaptable.
OtterbatHellcat
10-12-2021, 02:21
A month without trash pick up and empty grocery store shelves is the norm after a hurricane.
Three more years of this shit storm will make ten of the worst hurricanes combined seem like a joke.
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2021, 04:18
In for more BMB comments. Comedy Gold.
87912
For those that have inquired....
https://i.ibb.co/py1hCrZ/20211011-104456.jpg
JohnnyDrama
10-12-2021, 07:38
Suppose 1,000,000 truck drivers can be organized into a week off. Grocery stores would run out of food and your garbage cans would be over flowing.
We have the potential for some interesting events here. The Democrats put their guy in office on the backs of high population density centers where the population is dependent on lots of other people to get by. The people who"supported" Joe don't drive trucks, they don't stock shelves, they don't grow food, and they don't keep the power on. They won't be out jack if the working people strike. What they will do, and have done in the past when things don't go their way, is protest, loot, and burn. In the event of a strike, how long before cities start to burn?
Anybody else have ideas?
Technically, it’s F Joe Biden… which sounds a bit closer since Go and Joe rhyme and all ;)
Great-Kazoo
10-12-2021, 08:43
My company is not down with the vax mandate poopoo, so I will not poke that bear with a sit in.
I would rock a "Let's Go Brandon" or other similar bumper sticker.
I have some on order. lady, next town over is making them. She want $5, per, for a 2"x4" sticker.
Great-Kazoo
10-12-2021, 08:47
We have the potential for some interesting events here. The Democrats put their guy in office on the backs of high population density centers where the population is dependent on lots of other people to get by. The people who"supported" Joe don't drive trucks, they don't stock shelves, they don't grow food, and they don't keep the power on. They won't be out jack if the working people strike. What they will do, and have done in the past when things don't go their way, is protest, loot, and burn. In the event of a strike, how long before cities start to burn?
Anybody else have ideas?
Incorrect. Those people did vote blue. They're called Unions.
Throw in the media / democrat / fauci message of TRUMP'S KILLING PEOPLE. During the still on going pandemic, IMO got joe elected. Besides the ballot counters who were definitely skewing the election numbers.
If everyone stopped paying taxes, that might work.
And burned down the local bank, after hours of course. Money is what fuels this.
If only there would have been a way to convince the useful idiots in the ANTIFA/BLM movement that all the KKK folks ran the banks, how fast do you think we would have seen substantially different messaging on them from the media?
For the folks blaming Trump, or saying Vote harder next time, you have to understand that Trump is owned and controlled opposition of, by, and for the Rothschilds. He is a slick used car salesman for the average American voter, he said all the buzzwords we wanted to hear, and the choice between him and Clinton seemed too obvious for most of us, myself included. That said, if something seems too good to be true...
Moreover this country has not had honest and fair elections in quite some time.
Putting our trust in a man, or a political party, or a flag, or even the Constitution is not going to undo or fix any of this.
Active and some forms of passive resistance will slow this train down, but we have to have something bigger than man made solutions to turn our country in a different and actually better direction.
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2021, 10:45
Seize Venezuela's oil fields and forget about Middle East oil. Oil is $80 a barrel. 7 trillion bucks on Irak & Afgoonistan, we could have taken that south amarican country for way less than that. Besides that, they are out of toilet paper...
87919
Seize Venezuela's oil fields and forget about Middle East oil. Oil is $80 a barrel. 7 trillion bucks on Irak & Afgoonistan, we could have taken that south amarican country for way less than that. Besides that, they are out of toilet paper...
87919
Or....hear me out on this for a second, what if we just decided to be an Independent Constitutional Republic and not use force to exert our will on other Countries and Nations?
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2021, 11:54
Or....hear me out on this for a second, what if we just decided to be an Independent Constitutional Republic and not use force to exert our will on other Countries and Nations?
We are a military-industrial complex like Eisenhower warned us about. Going on strike is unpatriotic. How am I going to get to the VA hospital with gas prices the way they are? Besides Iran sent ships to Venezuela, OKAY they turned around and went to Russia instead. That's not the point, enforce the Monroe Doctrine!
Great-Kazoo
10-12-2021, 12:44
We are a military-industrial complex like Eisenhower warned us about. Going on strike is unpatriotic. How am I going to get to the VA hospital with gas prices the way they are? Besides Iran sent ships to Venezuela, OKAY they turned around and went to Russia instead. That's not the point, enforce the Monroe Doctrine!
Easy, they offer shuttle services to & from the VA.
87912
Was that after meeting the aliens?
Bailey Guns
10-12-2021, 14:05
Or....hear me out on this for a second, what if we just decided to be an Independent Constitutional Republic and not use force to exert our will on other Countries and Nations?
Regardless of how we get it or where it comes from, we need oil. Lots of it. If there's anything worth going to war over, it's oil. By that I don't mean invade and take it. I mean war in terms of protecting our supply. Every single item you use on a daily basis is produced, manufactured or delivered to you with oil. Everything. We need oil until something better comes along and if it means we have to fight for it then that's what we have to do.
"NO WAR FOR OIL" is probably one of the most idiotic and short-sighted bumper sticker slogans in the history of man.
Regardless of how we get it or where it comes from, we need oil. Lots of it. If there's anything worth going to war over, it's oil. By that I don't mean invade and take it. I mean war in terms of protecting our supply. Every single item you use on a daily basis is produced, manufactured or delivered to you with oil. Everything. We need oil until something better comes along and if it means we have to fight for it then that's what we have to do.
"NO WAR FOR OIL" is probably one of the most idiotic and short-sighted bumper sticker slogans in the history of man.
There was a movie about what happens when the oil supply gets shut down..
The Road Warrior
Pretty good documentary about what will happen.
On a side note, at least we can wear some cool clothes without people looking at us weird.
BushMasterBoy
10-12-2021, 16:07
And Biden cancelled the XL pipeline. That is strike action there. Who was behind that? OPEC? Wall Street? Russia? Some serious money behind that treachery.
Great-Kazoo
10-12-2021, 16:15
There was a movie about what happens when the oil supply gets shut down..
The Road Warrior
Pretty good documentary about what will happen.
On a side note, at least we can wear some cool clothes without people looking at us weird.
DO YA HEAR ME BRONZE, I'M THE NIGHT RIDER.
BORN WITH A CHROME STEERINGWHEEL IN MY HANDS.
DO YA HEAR ME.
OtterbatHellcat
10-12-2021, 17:51
Rubber road to Freedom.
Seamonkey
10-13-2021, 10:50
Wouldn't accomplish anything. Same as the complete failure of Occupy Wallstreet. No direction, no goals, no uniformity of the participants.
I think some pretty serious disruptions could garner a great deal of attention.
Suppose ten thousand dairies across U.S. decided to dump 3 or even 5 days of production down the drain instead of deliver to the store?
Serious disruptions? You can't get 100 gun owners in a room to agree. Let alone ten thousand, truckers. Hell i'd wager a good portion of them voted blue.
"We the People" would have to agree on something which is highly unlikely to happen.
It would be pretty easy to cause serious disruptions in many metropolitan areas via many methods. You don't need truckers to block major roads just some disabled vehicles or a slow moving caravan at peak times across all lanes of traffic.
Covids caused serious disruptions yet where are the changes? Choked ports, ship sideways in a major shipping lane (Suez), many companies working at reduced capacity don't seem to have produced much change in the status quo.
Also, how long before the leader and movement are labeled "domestic terrorists" and the mass media does what-it-is-they-do, spin, and voila.
Remember when everyone declared that yes, they were in fact an Infidel? The Domestic Terrorist name has now been applied to Parents protesting CRT, Southwest Flight Crews, Gun owners, Republicants, Libertarians, Unannounced Jan 6th Capitol Visitors, Vaccine and Mask resistors/protesters, and more than I care to research and find in addition.
Imagine if every other vehicle on the road had a: Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist bumper sticker on the back next to their completely regular bumper stickers?
Bailey Guns
10-13-2021, 11:27
The last thing we need are more bumper sticker platitudes.
hollohas
10-13-2021, 11:45
It doesn't take a huge number of people to change things. If we've learned anything over the last two years is that the majority of the American people truly are sheep. That word is way over used but it's true. They will bow down to whoever puts the most pressure on them. Doesn't need to be an army.
Works for lefties and can work for righties too if they tried. Some red governors are putting pressure back on the commies. We don't need an army, we just need a handful of brave conservatives. Both leaders and citizens putting pressure on their local commie school boards, health directors, county commissioners, etc.
I don?t think it would take a week for people to struggle if a fair portion of the workforce all took time off at once.
I figure if as little as twenty percent of the people that work around the clock to keep natural gas, electricity, cell phones and internet up and running took two or three days off all at the same time then everyone else would be sitting home in the dark, in the cold, with no television, phone service, or internet pretty quick and would absolutely lose their minds.
sbgixxer
10-13-2021, 12:34
I don?t think it would take a week for people to struggle if a fair portion of the workforce all took time off at once.
I'd tend to agree but would love to see two weeks for it to really sink in. Americans are very comfortable, things get rough and you stay home, order food and supplies, while Amazon does the rest. ::yawn::
I don?t think it would take a week for people to struggle if a fair portion of the workforce all took time off at once.
I figure if as little as twenty percent of the people that work around the clock to keep natural gas, electricity, cell phones and internet up and running took two or three days off all at the same time then everyone else would be sitting home in the dark, in the cold, with no television, phone service, or internet pretty quick and would absolutely lose their minds.
And no one would blame the government. They would blame all those blue collar Manchurian Candidates that Russia installed through Trump.
Bailey Guns
10-13-2021, 13:06
I don?t think it would take a week for people to struggle if a fair portion of the workforce all took time off at once.
I figure if as little as twenty percent of the people that work around the clock to keep natural gas, electricity, cell phones and internet up and running took two or three days off all at the same time then everyone else would be sitting home in the dark, in the cold, with no television, phone service, or internet pretty quick and would absolutely lose their minds.
I'm prepared to do without luxuries like food and water. I just need the necessities... Coffee and broadband and I can survive just fine.
Martinjmpr
10-13-2021, 14:40
Given the number of "help wanted" signs and businesses having to close or restrict hours because of insufficient staffing, I'd say a large portion of our citizenry is "on strike" right now.
hollohas
10-13-2021, 14:43
Given the number of "help wanted" signs and businesses having to close or restrict hours because of insufficient staffing, I'd say a large portion of our citizenry is "on strike" right now.Yup. 4.3M Americans QUIT their jobs in August.
I?m guessing we?ll see bigger numbers over the next couple of months.
Let?s go Brandon will probably pat himself on the back for all of the jobs he created once the number of openings are through the roof.
JohnnyDrama
10-13-2021, 16:47
I?m guessing we?ll see bigger numbers over the next couple of months.
Let?s go Brandon will probably pat himself on the back for all of the jobs he created once the number of openings are through the roof.
There's a cheery thought...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
hollohas
10-13-2021, 16:49
Oh, let's go Brandon is going to save us all from "something called the supply chain". He's negotiated the ports opening 24hr/day and allowing truckers to drive at night (don't they already?).
Dumb dumb doesn't even realize the problem isn't amount of hours operating, it's lack of workers. I don't think it's occurred to the commies that forcing people to quit is bad for the economy and country as a whole.
Great-Kazoo
10-13-2021, 20:35
Given the number of "help wanted" signs and businesses having to close or restrict hours because of insufficient staffing, I'd say a large portion of our citizenry is "on strike" right now.
Yup. 4.3M Americans QUIT their jobs in August.
IMO those numbers seem to be divided up by 3 groups.
#1 those who believe their $3. per hour work ethic, is worth $15-$20 per hr, living wage
# 2 those who are not falling in line with wearing mask and or vaccinations.
# 3 those who are just plain fukin lazy (stoners and freeloaders) Who make bank on a daily basis, in cash.
Or the people doing $40 an hour work but only making $20 an hour who are realizing they should be paid more or maybe realizing they can make that $20 an hour doing a less stressful job or maybe freeing up some time to actually enjoy life outside of work.
I read an article recently and it isn?t just the losers and minimum wage people leaving their jobs. Well paid people who have been at their job for many years are up and quitting as they are realizing how much more they can enjoy life when they aren?t working all the time.
There are people who have been working from home for a year plus and suddenly you are asking them to commute back and forth to an office again when they can successfully work from home and I think some of them are opting out in search of a job that lets them work remotely full time.
We are in a time of great resignation.
Great-Kazoo
10-14-2021, 09:14
Or the people doing $40 an hour work but only making $20 an hour who are realizing they should be paid more or maybe realizing they can make that $20 an hour doing a less stressful job or maybe freeing up some time to actually enjoy life outside of work.
I read an article recently and it isn?t just the losers and minimum wage people leaving their jobs. Well paid people who have been at their job for many years are up and quitting as they are realizing how much more they can enjoy life when they aren?t working all the time.
There are people who have been working from home for a year plus and suddenly you are asking them to commute back and forth to an office again when they can successfully work from home and I think some of them are opting out in search of a job that lets them work remotely full time.
We are in a time of great resignation.
True. if they have been capable of working from home. Why the need to return to the office? The work from home was a "solution" to prevent the virus. Which we see how well that worked out. Anywhay why the need to get vaxxed and mask up. When the only one you're dealing with is who ever lives at home.
thedave1164
10-14-2021, 09:37
I have been WFH before it was cool :)
Oct 2017
Doubtful that I would ever take a job where I had to commute again.....
One of my closest friends and groomsman, just quit his job in September for the reasons Ray pointed out...albeit skewed up a bit higher. He's always made $80K+ but his wife is the real breadwinner, and they've always lived well below their means. After dealing with a lot of heightened stresses at work the last two years, largely due to covid, he just opted to quit... cold turkey. They're totally fine financially for years, perhaps indefinitely if they downsize and cut costs, I'm not really sure, but he knows he was "over it" and wants to enjoy life more.
The company I work for tried to send a department back to the office. When about 30% of them started putting in applications elsewhere, they quickly did an about face.
My department will let me work anywhere in our division (west of the Mississippi, except California.
Just the savings in building overhead has to be incredible. What you might lose in productivity is gained back by not having to supply coffee, pay water bills, lease the structure, having to pay someone to clean bathrooms, stock TP, etc
We are a military-industrial complex like Eisenhower warned us about. Going on strike is unpatriotic. How am I going to get to the VA hospital with gas prices the way they are? Besides Iran sent ships to Venezuela, OKAY they turned around and went to Russia instead. That's not the point, enforce the Monroe Doctrine!
Ronald Reagan
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/reagan-fires-11359-air-traffic-controllers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_ (1968)#:~:text=On%20August%205%2C%20following%20th e,from%20federal%20service%20for%20life.&text=PATCO%20was%20decertified%20by%20the,Authorit y%20on%20October%2022%2C%201981.
------SNIP.-----
There are people who have been working from home for a year plus and suddenly you are asking them to commute back and forth to an office again when they can successfully work from home -----SNIP------
A lot of the employees who claim they "successfully work from home" also know the truth that they are not nearly as productive as they are at work.
Put activity tracking software on work computers that are taken home. Compare what is done in the office and what is done at home.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/08/15/the-remote-trend-of-working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time-without-both-companies-knowing/?sh=1fffd3ff17f3
"It's always interesting to find out about how people really spent their time?and not what they tell their bosses, family and friends.
At the early onset of the outbreak, we learned that there was a lot of alcohol consumption, eating, pot smoking and watching porn, while quarantined.
About a year later, a study showed that people working from home are having sex, taking naps, dating, shopping online and doing side hustles on company time. Around 50% of the respondents to the survey said that they?ve worked for another company, while on the clock with their employer. "
https://overemployed.com/12-rules-for-working-remote-wfh/
"12 Rules for working two remote jobs (WFH)"
https://overemployed.com/set-low-expectations-at-your-two-remote-jobs/
"How To Set Low Expectations At Your Two Remote Jobs
What I?ve learned is expectations need to be set from day 1. I once worked with a new senior manager who always left at five o?clock since his very first day. New hires usually stay late to ramp up quickly. Not this guy. He set the expectation that he would leave the office by five and stuck by it every day. It was genius. A year into the job, he?s still shutting down at five while the rest of us kept working.
For managers, it?s typically hard to have that conversation, ?can you put in more hours?? If your manager adds new tasks, just be clear you cannot complete them in the timeframe given. If you?re labeled as the ?guy who leaves at five,? people won?t give you more work knowing you can?t get to it. "
^^^^^ This is the new reality of how many employees are ^^^^^^^
I don?t doubt that but my wife must be the exception. On the days that I am home and she is working at the house she is fiddling with spreadsheets and emails and making phone calls from eight in the morning until five with only a brief break for lunch.
I bet she works more in a day from home than I do when I?m physically at my place of work.
And not once have I had sex with her while she was on the clock.
buffalobo
10-14-2021, 16:34
Dude, you're getting screwed.
Over getting screwed.
OldFogey
10-14-2021, 16:45
I don?t doubt that but my wife must be the exception. On the days that I am home and she is working at the house she is fiddling with spreadsheets and emails and making phone calls from eight in the morning until five with only a brief break for lunch.
I bet she works more in a day from home than I do when I?m physically at my place of work.
And not once have I had sex with her while she was on the clock.
Should have made it a pre condition of employment...[Beer]
Martinjmpr
10-14-2021, 17:04
A lot of the employees who claim they "successfully work from home" also know the truth that they are not nearly as productive as they are at work.
The problem with that kind of "analysis" is that it presumes that people can only screw off and not work when they are at home and that they are 100% productive when in the office.
Anyone who's ever actually worked in an office knows that's not true. People have plenty of opportunities to screw off and not do their work while they are in the office, too. It may not be as obvious but it happens a lot.
Great-Kazoo
10-14-2021, 18:02
I don?t doubt that but my wife must be the exception. On the days that I am home and she is working at the house she is fiddling with spreadsheets and emails and making phone calls from eight in the morning until five with only a brief break for lunch.
I bet she works more in a day from home than I do when I?m physically at my place of work.
And not once have I had sex with her while she was on the clock.
43-60 seconds off her time sheet, really matters
43-60 seconds off her time sheet, really matters
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/aa87cde2a32e25e0fff64e6487765c3f.jpg
Bailey Guns
10-14-2021, 20:07
So...your arms are too short to...reach anything?
hollohas
10-14-2021, 20:36
Hahahaha
I've heard 11/25 as a strike date. Is this what ya'll are seeing to?
I've heard 11/25 as a strike date. Is this what ya'll are seeing to?
Haha. Thanksgiving wouldn't really be an effective strike day
I don?t doubt that but my wife must be the exception. On the days that I am home and she is working at the house she is fiddling with spreadsheets and emails and making phone calls from eight in the morning until five with only a brief break for lunch.
I bet she works more in a day from home than I do when I?m physically at my place of work.
And not once have I had sex with her while she was on the clock.
Sounds like you need a GF...
The problem with that kind of "analysis" is that it presumes that people can only screw off and not work when they are at home and that they are 100% productive when in the office.
Anyone who's ever actually worked in an office knows that's not true. People have plenty of opportunities to screw off and not do their work while they are in the office, too. It may not be as obvious but it happens a lot.
well, in the office I calculate with 50% time actually working.
I have been WFH before it was cool :)
Oct 2017
Doubtful that I would ever take a job where I had to commute again.....
Oct 2003 for me. But I have to fly on avg 12-15 trips/year.
hollohas
10-15-2021, 05:27
I've heard 11/25 as a strike date. Is this what ya'll are seeing to?I don't know about a strike, but TSA has a vax mandate deadline that falls in that timeframe. Apparently TSA only has around 60% vax rate currently.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10092789/TSA-faces-forced-fire-40-workforce-Thanksgiving.html
JohnnyDrama
10-15-2021, 05:47
I've heard 11/25 as a strike date. Is this what ya'll are seeing to?
I heard an earlier date. Just local. I imagine multiple small scale strikes before something widespread. It's hard to say though. With social media word travels fast. I can see things escalating quickly as opposing ideologies attempt to move faster than the other guys.
Glad I don't have travel plans.
BREATHER
10-15-2021, 05:56
It was Trumps response that I had a problem with. The guy is an idiot and the voters showed him the door. He should stick to hotels, golfing and Dancing With The Stars.
Got ya some koolaid, huh????
Got ya some koolaid, huh????
What is amusing is, we could run anyone against Biden and we'd win.
Except just one, flipping narcissist, that is hero worshiped for no great reason. (case in point: blasphemy Trump in a church and see all sorts of people argue with you. Say "the lords name in vain" and you'll just get dirty looks.)
Last I checked the swamp never drained a gallon, unless an individual accosted Trump's ego, anyway.
And that's who will be nominated. And we'll most likely have Kamala for four years after that. Out of 100 million conservatives we could nominate - even your random neighbor, Trump has the lowest odds in an election, because just like HRC there are too many people who will never vote for him, period, he is polarized and history.
We could run anyone and win, but losing with "four more years" of unsubstantiated hero worship is more important. Why Trump > all other possible conservatives, LOL.
Yipee. At least I am not invested in the outcome. Popcorn and watch the world burn and all.
Kinda hope Trump dies of an old age cause before the next primaries.
OldFogey
10-15-2021, 07:33
Kinda hope Trump dies of an old age cause before the next primaries.
Sweet. Then we can get back to insiders. Is there another Bush available, then?
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2021, 07:50
I heard an earlier date. Just local. I imagine multiple small scale strikes before something widespread. It's hard to say though. With social media word travels fast. I can see things escalating quickly as opposing ideologies attempt to move faster than the other guys.
Glad I don't have travel plans.
It's getting to be winter weather. people don't leave their homes if it's too hot, or cold. I doubt we'll see any form of mass protest.
The good news is. We now have A WAR ON COVID!
https://www.aol.com/finance/war-against-covid-ex-gen-133045480.html
Since the war's on drugs and terrorism have world so well. No wonder biden had all our service people return home.
National guard's "assisting" reduced workforce medical facilities and other "essential" business. Sure ..........
It's getting to be winter weather. people don't leave their homes if it's too hot, or cold. I doubt we'll see any form of mass protest.
The good news is. We now have A WAR ON COVID!
https://www.aol.com/finance/war-against-covid-ex-gen-133045480.html
Since the war's on drugs and terrorism have world so well. No wonder biden had all our service people return home.
National guard's "assisting" reduced workforce medical facilities and other "essential" business. Sure ..........
I REALLY hope that both sides of the mandate issue (Texas and the Fed) hold their ground and make an issue of it.
Instead, I think we'll see some dumb federal court ruling, as well as the Feds doing round-about-mandates anyway and Texas doing nothing about it.
Just like all the sovereign 2A legislation across all the states... it's a political billboard. Until a state actually reliably enforces it against federal officers, it's almost nothing. I'd really like to see the Texas EO enforced... I just don't have faith.
hollohas
10-15-2021, 08:23
(case in point: blasphemy Trump in a church and see all sorts of people argue with you. Say "the lords name in vain" and you'll just get dirty looks.)
Ha! "Case in point"...right...How many churches have you experienced this in?
The people that hate Trump have turned it into a religion as much as or more than people that love Trump. Say something nice about Trump and see all sorts of people come out of the woodwork to argue with you, sometimes violently.
I truly hope Trump doesn't run again. I don't like him, but thought he was a pretty darn good Pres. But he cannot win. If people think there was cheating last time, it's no comparison to what we'll see if Trump runs again.
theGinsue
10-15-2021, 08:24
Any company that operates on a national level vice just within one state (i.e. Texas) in one form or another does business with the federal government, or at a minimum are regulated under federal interstate commerce rules. The .fed has already issued direction that any organization that does business with them WILL enforce the mandate lest they lose the ability to do business with the .fed and, I suspect, face federal penalties (such as loss of licenses and federal government approvals to operate). Fourteenth Amendment be damned.
While states SHOULD be able to dictate things of this nature, the states are David and the .fed is Goliath -- only in this type of situation, Goliath has no chance of losing.
Basically it boils down to the willingness to sucede or not. Is Texas going to over the EO? 99% not. So it's just not getting enforced.
If it did, Feds would pull all funding, medicaid, etc., and it really boils down to the purse instead of the punisher. US Gov would be hard pressed to find active duty military willing to shoot at Texans, so that's simply not an option. But the purse is all powerful. If a state was brave enough to give the purse the finger, then things would start changing in this country.
But... money is the root of something, something. Everyone loves their paycheck, including politicians.
What is the biggest irony in our modern era is all it takes is a government to say "no" to court rulings, back it by enforcement, and the whole facade of our government comes crashing down.
e.g. ---> https://www.oyez.org/cases/1850-1900/74us700
Texas should just unilaterally legislate it and give the federal government the finger. Whadyagunnadoboutit? Once detached from the purse, the federal government has nothing left to threaten.
I truly hope Trump doesn't run again. I don't like him, but thought he was a pretty darn good Pres. But he cannot win. If people think there was cheating last time, it's no comparison to what we'll see if Trump runs again.
Sort of agree with you - policy wise in the moment, and SCOTUS, good.
In a bigger-picture perspective though, I don't think it was good at all. We don't have a crystal ball to compare to what it would have been with other possible primary candidates, but I can't imagine policy or SCOTUS would've been much different. So I can't attribute the policy and SCOTUS to Trump as it would be roughly uniform through the party.
So the long ramifications - partially artificial by the media, partially from the constant narcissism "mean tweets", partially from his black/white thinking attacking his own cabinet and our military, blah blah blah, pushed a lot of people away and we ended up with an Alzheimer progressive patient as a president instead of four more years under a conservative flag. The biggest damage though is a party that wants to cleave in two (GOP and Trump) leaving the progressives with assured domination.
In the micro, he was good. In the macro, it seems he may end up being a nuclear bomb to conservatives.
hollohas
10-15-2021, 09:03
Any company that operates on a national level vice just within one state (i.e. Texas) in one form or another does business with the federal government, or at a minimum are regulated under federal interstate commerce rules. The .fed has already issued direction that any organization that does business with them WILL enforce the mandate lest they lose the ability to do business with the .fed and, I suspect, face federal penalties (such as loss of licenses and federal government approvals to operate). Fourteenth Amendment be damned.
While states SHOULD be able to dictate things of this nature, the states are David and the .fed is Goliath -- only in this type of situation, Goliath has no chance of losing.
The Feds have issued directions and threats, but have any actual regulations, rules, EO's or laws actually been issued that mandate vax? So far it just been "you need to do this" coming from the feds, but nothing official as far as I can tell. Seems like contractors are just obeying the threats even though there literally isn't a single legal document been issued by the feds that mandate vax for contractors. Right?
Seamonkey
10-15-2021, 09:09
But... money is the root of something, something. Everyone loves their paycheck, including politicians.
The LOVE of money is the root. Money is just a tool
What is the biggest irony in our modern era is all it takes is a government to say "no" to court rulings, back it by enforcement, and the whole facade of our government comes crashing down.
e.g. ---> https://www.oyez.org/cases/1850-1900/74us700
+1
theGinsue
10-15-2021, 09:16
The Feds have issued directions and threats, but have any actual regulations, rules, EO's or laws actually been issued that mandate vax? So far it just been "you need to do this" coming from the feds, but nothing official as far as I can tell. Seems like contractors are just obeying the threats even though there literally isn't a single legal document been issued by the feds that mandate vax for contractors. Right?
I don't know.
What I do know is my company says they're following the mandate of the federal government and, as such, all employees regardless if you work at a customer site, at a corporate site or work from home MUST be "fully vaccinated" by December 8th or face termination.
I'm in a bad spot right now as I received treatment Monday with specific instructions from a military treatment facility to "wait at least 90 days before you get a COVID-19 vaccine" (failure to wait the 90 days could present serious health risk). This means the first date I can get the first vaccine dose is January 11th. Under Moderna vaccination guidelines, I can't get the next does for another 5 weeks. This means I won't be "fully vaccinated" until March 1st. I'm trying to seek a medical "accommodation" through March 1st but everyone (my company and my customer) are all pointing to the other party, leaving me in no man's land. Unless someone pulls their head out of their butt I will be unemployed after December 8th - even though I've relented and will comply (I have to be able to put bread on the table).
The Feds have issued directions and threats, but have any actual regulations, rules, EO's or laws actually been issued that mandate vax? So far it just been "you need to do this" coming from the feds, but nothing official as far as I can tell. Seems like contractors are just obeying the threats even though there literally isn't a single legal document been issued by the feds that mandate vax for contractors. Right?
There was the EO from the white house. AFAIK it set a firm November 22 deadline and purported to use OSHA as the arm. I have not seen any OSHA regulations yet, but also have not checked.
I don't know.
What I do know is my company says they're following the mandate of the federal government and, as such, all employees regardless if you work at a customer site, at a corporate site or work from home MUST be "fully vaccinated" by December 8th or face termination.
I'm in a bad spot right now as I received treatment Monday with specific instructions from a military treatment facility to "wait at least 90 days before you get a COVID-19 vaccine" (failure to wait the 90 days could present serious health risk). This means the first date I can get the first vaccine dose is January 11th. Under Moderna vaccination guidelines, I can't get the next does for another 5 weeks. This means I won't be "fully vaccinated" until March 1st. I'm trying to seek a medical "accommodation" through March 1st but everyone (my company and my customer) are all pointing to the other party, leaving me in no man's land. Unless someone pulls their head out of their butt I will be unemployed after December 8th - even though I've relented and will comply (I have to be able to put bread on the table).
Fill out and submit a medical exemption form pronto. At least it gives something to argue about.
AFAIK the deadline to submit a medical exemption in your case could be as soon as October 25th. Just based off my gov dealings... So try to get something in before then, despite the illness :(
hollohas
10-15-2021, 09:34
There was the EO from the white house. AFAIK it set a firm November 22 deadline and purported to use OSHA as the arm. I have not seen any OSHA regulations yet, but also have not checked.OSHA hasn't issued any regs yet. So as far as OSHA is concerned, there isn't a mandate yet that affects private businesses. My company is subject to OSHA (our mother ship covers 700 physical locations in the US). They are waiting to see what OSHA regs say and will comply, but won't do anything before it's made official by the feds.
But I don't know what fed mandate there is for fed contractors. I've heard there really isn't one. Nothing on paper.
Ginsue - I hope they accept your temporary medical deferral. There would be no reason to reject it, but so far it seems everything is happening without reason.
Kinda hope Trump dies of an old age cause before the next primaries.
I heard he has more dirt on the Clintons and will make a big announcement right before the next election.
There. Wish granted. We?ll see what kind of ?natural cause? he dies from.
clodhopper
10-15-2021, 10:07
There was the EO from the white house. AFAIK it set a firm November 22 deadline and purported to use OSHA as the arm. I have not seen any OSHA regulations yet, but also have not checked.
This is all I am aware of for OSHA at this point:
https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets
I havent read through it closely yet, but a perusal shows no jab mandate. It is just a requirement for a written safety plan to encompass the vaxxed and non-vaxxed. This is a continuation of the ETS from earlier this year, so it could change, but I suspect whatever comes will be similar to this.
I heard he has more dirt on the Clintons and will make a big announcement right before the next election.
There. Wish granted. We?ll see what kind of ?natural cause? he dies from.
Sounds like Billy just got hospitalized for a "non covid-19 infection". That's a lot of words for "the clap".
ETA: Ah shit. Tell my kids I loved 'em.
clodhopper
10-15-2021, 10:15
Sounds like Billy just got hospitalized for a "non covid-19 infection". That's a lot of words for "the clap".
ETA: Ah shit. Tell my kids I loved 'em.
I heard the news and the first thing I thought was "STD". Funny how independent minds follow similar paths....
Martinjmpr
10-15-2021, 10:33
The biggest damage though is a party that wants to cleave in two (GOP and Trump) leaving the progressives with assured domination.
^^^^ Yup, this right here.
If I wanted to destroy the Republican party, I would create a candidate exactly like Trump.
As long as Trump is splitting the Conservative/Republican vote, the Dems/Progressives will have a field day. That's the bad news.
On the other hand, there is no "heir" ready to step into Trump's shoes.
His sons are political non-entities with no following, no charisma, and no bravado or bombast or showmanship. Nobody takes them seriously, nor should they. Ditto for Ivanka. And I can't think of anybody else who can marshal red-state support like Trump could.
So when DJT finally kicks the bucket, there's likely no place that his followers will be able to go except either back into the Republican party fold or into self-imposed political exile.
Sweet. Then we can get back to insiders. Is there another Bush available, then?
Trumps the biggest insider of them all. Just not in the traditional sense, which makes him seem new, exciting and different. Except he wasnt.
I've really been enjoying this news show. Conservative and liberal putting on this show as a big F you to main steam news.
https://youtu.be/Bkzh7Dd4W-w
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2021, 15:15
The Feds have issued directions and threats, but have any actual regulations, rules, EO's or laws actually been issued that mandate vax? So far it just been "you need to do this" coming from the feds, but nothing official as far as I can tell. Seems like contractors are just obeying the threats even though there literally isn't a single legal document been issued by the feds that mandate vax for contractors. Right?
EXACTLY MANDATES, THREATS, YOU NEED TO, ETC
Yet NOT ONE piece of legislation, state or federal has been proposed, voted on, and signed in to law. Why is that. I've asked my state reps, still waiting for an answer.
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2021, 15:18
I've really been enjoying this news show. Conservative and liberal putting on this show as a big F you to main steam news.
https://youtu.be/Bkzh7Dd4W-w
Easiest way to fix the supply chain is. Hire the cartels.
They never have an issue getting things in to the country
Easiest way to fix the supply chain is. Hire the cartels.
They never have an issue getting things in to the country
AWESOME !!!!
And 100000% true....
Easiest way to fix the supply chain is. Hire the cartels.
They never have an issue getting things in to the country
They're already government contractors, so do they have to vax too? [flamingo]
Sounds like Billy just got hospitalized for a "non covid-19 infection". That's a lot of words for "the clap".
ETA: Ah shit. Tell my kids I loved 'em.
Confirmed as a urological infection.... LMAO
theGinsue
10-15-2021, 19:30
Fill out and submit a medical exemption form pronto. At least it gives something to argue about.
AFAIK the deadline to submit a medical exemption in your case could be as soon as October 25th. Just based off my gov dealings... So try to get something in before then, despite the illness :(
Except, my government customer AND my company don't have a form to fill out yet. I spoke to a doctor today at the base where I get medical care and I'm getting a letter on their letterhead authorizing a medical deferral. I got my government POC involved today and after he ran things down for me he said I have to get my corporate leadership to contact my customers contracts person to work the issue for me. I'll be pursuing that on Monday. It appears that there is no official process identified yet for either medical or religious exemptions so each case will have to be handled/processed with a LOT of effort on a case-by-case basis. The trick will be getting my company and management to give a shit enough to put the effort out for me.
OSHA hasn't issued any regs yet. So as far as OSHA is concerned, there isn't a mandate yet that affects private businesses. My company is subject to OSHA (our mother ship covers 700 physical locations in the US). They are waiting to see what OSHA regs say and will comply, but won't do anything before it's made official by the feds.
But I don't know what fed mandate there is for fed contractors. I've heard there really isn't one. Nothing on paper.
Ginsue - I hope they accept your temporary medical deferral. There would be no reason to reject it, but so far it seems everything is happening without reason.
Apparently the EO mandate says that any company doing business with the .fed must comply or their contracts will be suspended or cancelled - at least that's how my company (a BIG defense contractor) is taking it. My company had an unannounced telecon yesterday that only a few people heard about in time to listen in on. The company said how they are understanding the mandate is that ALL company employees (working at customer sites, at corporate sites and at home) must be vaccinated by December 8th or the company is not in compliance. So this is how my company is moving forward. Anyone not fully vax'd by Dec 8th will either be let go or put on a leave of absence without pay/benefits (company choice as to how they'll handle each employee).
EXACTLY MANDATES, THREATS, YOU NEED TO, ETC
Yet NOT ONE piece of legislation, state or federal has been proposed, voted on, and signed in to law. Why is that. I've asked my state reps, still waiting for an answer.
Probably no legislation because they know it isn't Constitutional and would be ruled as such by a federal court/SCOTUS review. That would knock the entire shit show in the dirt for the Biden administration so they're going to stick with just the EO and not rock the boat since the EO is meeting their goals.
The people who tell Biden what to say do not give a fuck about killing Americans.
Their friends in the media gladly play along.
RIP Ashli
This walkout movement really needs a popular person or outlet to take the lead. I've seen Nov 1 but I was hoping for the whole week. It has to be timed so it is before the first deadlines to get a first shot but the movement would need tome to grow too. Nov1 seems right.
Honestly, I am a pretty disappointed in the lack of media coverage from the majors about this. If it happens it would be a huge blow to the economy for a few days and Biden will be left trying to explain it.
OldFogey
10-15-2021, 20:57
Biden? Explain? C'mon, man!
Biden? Explain? C'mon, man!
Ha! True, he'll turn away from any questions but at least then more folks will see him and his mandate as why they can't fly anywhere, get chinese crap, or find food on the shelves.
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2021, 23:31
This walkout movement really needs a popular person or outlet to take the lead. I've seen Nov 1 but I was hoping for the whole week. It has to be timed so it is before the first deadlines to get a first shot but the movement would need tome to grow too. Nov1 seems right.
Honestly, I am a pretty disappointed in the lack of media coverage from the majors about this. If it happens it would be a huge blow to the economy for a few days and Biden will be left trying to explain it.
Which is why it's a non story. make the guy they put in office look bad. [ROFL3]
The real question is WHERE'S HARRIS? ? ? ?
She's disappeared quicker than a 40 yr old female neighbor, when the wife comes home.
OtterbatHellcat
10-16-2021, 00:04
I don't understand the disdain for Trump here in this community. He did good for our country.
And instead of flat out lying to our media and the world, he told 'em to fuck off. I loved that too.
I want a President like him to stand up for us.
I don't know about a strike, but TSA has a vax mandate deadline that falls in that timeframe. Apparently TSA only has around 60% vax rate currently.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10092789/TSA-faces-forced-fire-40-workforce-Thanksgiving.html
Ugh, have to fly Sunday and Monday.
OldFogey
10-16-2021, 06:21
I don't understand the disdain for Trump here in this community. He did good for our country.
And instead of flat out lying to our media and the world, he told 'em to fuck off. I loved that too.
I want a President like him to stand up for us.
He was kind of a bull in a China shop, for sure. But he always put the USA's interests first. Pissed off that I felt I had to vote for him in 2016, voted for him gladly in 2020.
thedave1164
10-16-2021, 06:57
He was kind of a bull in a China shop, for sure. But he always put the USA's interests first. Pissed off that I felt I had to vote for him in 2016, voted for him gladly in 2020.
Truth
hurley842002
10-16-2021, 07:08
He was kind of a bull in a China shop, for sure. But he always put the USA's interests first. Pissed off that I felt I had to vote for him in 2016, voted for him gladly in 2020.
Same, I was pushing for Ted Cruz, but looking back, Trump was absolutely the right choice.
OtterbatHellcat
10-16-2021, 08:02
Yeah Cruz, Rubio and a few others....I think DeSantis could run successfully and win if he chose to, but I think the orange one will return.
There's no way in hell we'd be in this mess if Trump was still in office. I'll ignore the mean tweets and take a functioning economy, covid be damned.
Seamonkey
10-16-2021, 10:01
Honestly, I am a pretty disappointed in the lack of media coverage from the majors about this. If it happens it would be a huge blow to the economy for a few days and Biden will be left trying to explain it.
+1
That is a large part of the problem. Imagine if the major media outlets provided neutral fact based coverage of events, issues and held politicians accountable? Never happened and never will happen. Thankfully we have the Internet and can access a variety of information resources. Then the challenge is to avoid the confirmation bias.
Martinjmpr
10-19-2021, 20:47
Seems like it's already started:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/striketober-american-workers-battle-for-power-amid-labor-crunch-202634154.html
I don't understand the disdain for Trump here in this community. He did good for our country.
And instead of flat out lying to our media and the world, he told 'em to fuck off. I loved that too.
I want a President like him to stand up for us.
Because it?s an act. Trump would sell his mother for the right deal. He said what he had to say in order to convince us to vote for him. He?s a used car salesman.
https://ordoabchao.ca/articles/trump-is-puppet-of-kissinger
Great-Kazoo
10-19-2021, 22:17
Because it?s an act. Trump would sell his mother for the right deal. He said what he had to say in order to convince us to vote for him. He?s a used car salesman.
https://ordoabchao.ca/articles/trump-is-puppet-of-kissinger
Considering all the opposition to him. He managed to boost jobs, lower food & fuel prices. As well as minimal reduction in delivery of goods. At least till the pandemic hit.
Vic Tory
10-20-2021, 00:38
Wow. An entertaining -- and nutty -- thread.
I'm a regular listener to podcasts from Steve Deace and Dan Bongino. (Don't have the personal bandwidth to catch more. Tough enough to keep up with these two.)
I'd recommend people listen more to alternative media. The Main Stream Media is lying to America.
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I haven't been a Republican for nine years. I won't go back. COGOP's "leadership" is ridiculously corrupt, IMO. Didn't vote for Trump in 2016, and I was wrong. Gladly voted for him in 2020, which he WON. Anybody who thinks Biden got more legal votes than Trump has been doing too many drugs, period.
OtterbatHellcat
10-20-2021, 01:03
Because it?s an act. Trump would sell his mother for the right deal. He said what he had to say in order to convince us to vote for him. He?s a used car salesman.
https://ordoabchao.ca/articles/trump-is-puppet-of-kissinger
Might you be advocating policies and ideals from the radical left? ...or do you just hate the orange man. The shit he did was working in the eyes of many.
Neocons. Neocon Romney sniffers everywhere.
Aloha_Shooter
10-20-2021, 10:17
Because it?s an act. Trump would sell his mother for the right deal. He said what he had to say in order to convince us to vote for him. He?s a used car salesman.
https://ordoabchao.ca/articles/trump-is-puppet-of-kissinger
Yes, it's an act. So what? Democrats have been lying about their agendas and their actions for over a century (going back to at least Woodrow Wilson). Politicians of all stripes have been acting to get votes since the Roman Republic -- maybe even the Athenian democracy.
Trump has always been a salesman -- that's why I don't listen to what he says, I look at what he does. He managed to reverse the Obama economic decline and restart American production. He acknowledged that looking at Wall Street and Hollyweird is NOT how we should be judging the health of the economy. He stopped giving aid and comfort to our adversaries (something Biden-Harris started doing immediately after they grabbed the reins of power).
I have disliked Trump ever since I learned who he was and what he did (almost 40 years). I refused to buy Trump merchandise or watch his shows. I DID support him politically after he won the Republican primaries in 2016 and have generally been pleased by what he did during his time in office. What did he do -- not say -- that so displeases you? Who cares why he did it if he did something good?
Yes, it's an act. So what? Democrats have been lying about their agendas and their actions for over a century (going back to at least Woodrow Wilson). Politicians of all stripes have been acting to get votes since the Roman Republic -- maybe even the Athenian democracy.
Trump has always been a salesman -- that's why I don't listen to what he says, I look at what he does. He managed to reverse the Obama economic decline and restart American production. He acknowledged that looking at Wall Street and Hollyweird is NOT how we should be judging the health of the economy. He stopped giving aid and comfort to our adversaries (something Biden-Harris started doing immediately after they grabbed the reins of power).
I have disliked Trump ever since I learned who he was and what he did (almost 40 years). I refused to buy Trump merchandise or watch his shows. I DID support him politically after he won the Republican primaries in 2016 and have generally been pleased by what he did during his time in office. What did he do -- not say -- that so displeases you? Who cares why he did it if he did something good?
The good that he did was part of a larger goal to subvert the last lingering shreds of the Constitution. And further weaken us as a Nation here at home. Look at the riots, his response, his support of the vaccines, his acceptance of world government solutions to the plandemic, surrounding himself with traitors, idiots, and loons. Selling out to foreign lobbyists and interests, while simultaneously presenting the image he was standing against other foreign interests. We all watched his right hand move while ignoring or failing to see his left hand move. The swamp was made larger, so the level dropped an inch. We did not win bigly or yuge with Trump. We won some made in China token prizes at the world carnival, but the cost of admission was far higher than any of us realize, or care to admit.
Might you be advocating policies and ideals from the radical left? ...or do you just hate the orange man. The shit he did was working in the eyes of many.
Negative. I?m a Christian Limited Government Constitutional Absolutist with a bent towards many Libertarian views/ideals. On the correct political scale with Anarchy on the far right, and Tyranny on the far left, I?m at the 1/3 mark closer towards the right hand side of the scale. Trump would be at the 3/4 to 7/8 mark closer to the left.
clodhopper
10-20-2021, 13:13
Negative. I?m a Christian Limited Government Constitutional Absolutist with a bent towards many Libertarian views/ideals. On the correct political scale with Anarchy on the far right, and Tyranny on the far left, I?m at the 1/3 mark closer towards the right hand side of the scale. Trump would be at the 3/4 to 7/8 mark closer to the left.
So where does Ol' Joe fit on that scale?
So where does Ol' Joe fit on that scale?
3/4to 9/10. The goal is the same. The teams and players use different strategies to get the public to sit in their seats and pretend the game they are watching matters.
clodhopper
10-20-2021, 15:57
Strange non-linear/logarithmic scale you are using there.
Bailey Guns
10-20-2021, 16:00
Negative. I?m a Christian Limited Government Constitutional Absolutist with a bent towards many Libertarian views/ideals. On the correct political scale with Anarchy on the far right, and Tyranny on the far left, I?m at the 1/3 mark closer towards the right hand side of the scale. Trump would be at the 3/4 to 7/8 mark closer to the left.
I've never found a solid definition that puts anarchy on either the far right or left. The same with tyranny.
I've never found a solid definition that puts anarchy on either the far right or left. The same with tyranny.
There a few different circles that fit political ideology better that a right or left
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-38Ytx9UQMmk/U2__P4xD88I/AAAAAAAABds/HUVoZ0qu4nk/s1600/10336684_10103129257764237_595602021880431302_n.jp g
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7n739qX0AAoOOz.png
The average man on the street view would be something like:
Nazis on the Right, Commies on the Left, and Democracy in the middle.
The view I hold to is: Anarchy on the far right, Total Government on the far left, and Limited Constitutional Republic somewhere between Anarchy and the mid-point on the scale.
Democracy is the great lie of, see we arent as bad as National Socialism or Communism, we are the reasonable compromise.
Bailey Guns
10-20-2021, 19:01
Nazis on the right?
Vic Tory
10-20-2021, 19:19
Nazis on the right?
Where's our LIKE button???
Great-Kazoo
10-20-2021, 19:31
The good that he did was part of a larger goal to subvert the last lingering shreds of the Constitution. And further weaken us as a Nation here at home. Look at the riots, his response, his support of the vaccines, his acceptance of world government solutions to the plandemic, surrounding himself with traitors, idiots, and loons. Selling out to foreign lobbyists and interests, while simultaneously presenting the image he was standing against other foreign interests. We all watched his right hand move while ignoring or failing to see his left hand move. The swamp was made larger, so the level dropped an inch. We did not win bigly or yuge with Trump. We won some made in China token prizes at the world carnival, but the cost of admission was far higher than any of us realize, or care to admit.
sounds liek any politician, to me. HOWEVER....................... The cost of admission??? China & MK reigned in. The EU and nato, along with the paris accord were told to go fuk them self. The only cost of admission i saw was how on a 24/7 basis EVERYONE in the good ol guys / gals networks did nothign but attack him.
Had the democrats played ball back in 1/20-3/20 this CHI - NA virus might have been nipped in the bud.
BUT,....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH. blah, blah, blah.
There, i admitted it. What do i win?
Vic Tory
10-20-2021, 19:45
Any political chart which puts US Greens almost dead center and 0bama anywhere CLOSE to the Republicans ... is warped, and IMO, invalid.
I don't recall who created this one, but it's the best one I've seen ... because I agree with where they put me.
880168801688016
Might you be advocating policies and ideals from the radical left? ...or do you just hate the orange man. The shit he did was working in the eyes of many.
Here's my number one question: What did trump do that ANY OTHER GOP wouldn't have done? People are giving TRUMP credit for the platform.
Here's what TRUMP did do: Split the f'n party so that progressives may very well have total control of the US from here on out.
It's sort of like spending the night with a hooker that is amazing in the sack, but then you have aids for the rest of your life.
I'm solidly in the camp that says "it's not worth it, and you could've screwed someone that didn't have aids and still been laid".
Also the salesman never did deliver on his individual promises. Party? Any GOP would've nominated conservative Supremes, for instance. TRUMP does not get credit.
But what swamp did he drain exactly. People like General Mathis that bruised his ego? That's the only people the narcissist ever attacked, with his black/white think, the only enemies he ever really had were his own friends and appointments, because how dare anyone ever give his inflated head ADVICE or COUNSEL.
He never did anything against the "swamp" at all, because he is the freaking swamp. New York City Billionaire. LOL.
OtterbatHellcat
10-21-2021, 00:11
I dunno Fox. Trump delivered on shit he said he'd do.... I don't think "any ol Republican" in the slot would have done so.
If ya gonna hate on someone, just admit it. I don't think "any ol Republican" would have shoved the mic up the ignorant medias ass the way he did, and I enjoyed that. Whether you like it or not, he did bring a new level of reality to the shit show that everyone caters to, regardless.
That is also a quality that DeSantis has, and I think we need that. Stroking hearts and minds of weak ass people, as well as suck ass media is not what our country needs to excel in the world. Neither is brainwashing our children and young adults to be marxists. imo.
Republicans didn't want him, but they offered nothing better.
The swamp fought back.
Both parties are screwing us in a display of political theater. Taxpayers are slaves feeding a monster. Our government has been corrupted to the core and no longer serves its citizenry...and I don't see a clean way out at this point.
There's my little ray of sunshine.
OtterbatHellcat
10-21-2021, 01:43
We sure need more sunshine, that's certain.
OtterbatHellcat
10-21-2021, 04:03
Shit, that ought to be Rays new tag.
Ray of Sunshine.
JohnnyDrama
10-21-2021, 05:31
I dunno Fox. Trump delivered on shit he said he'd do.... I don't think "any ol Republican" in the slot would have done so.
If ya gonna hate on someone, just admit it. I don't think "any ol Republican" would have shoved the mic up the ignorant medias ass the way he did, and I enjoyed that. Whether you like it or not, he did bring a new level of reality to the shit show that everyone caters to, regardless.
That is also a quality that DeSantis has, and I think we need that. Stroking hearts and minds of weak ass people, as well as suck ass media is not what our country needs to excel in the world. Neither is brainwashing our children and young adults to be marxists. imo.
Like
I mean really, what did he even try to do vs the "swamp". Anyone? The only people he canned were individuals that offered advice he disagreed with (like Mathis and a hundred others). Did he lift executive privilege? No... Go after HRC? No. Publish information through the powers of the presidency? No... Try to do audits... No... Demand accountability on budget? No...
The swamp didn't fight back. There was no fight in the first place. Unless people thing "mean tweets" is fighting the swamp and not being a used car salesman. In that even millions of people are "fighting the swamp" and it should solve the problem just like "likes" help feed starving kids after disasters. [ROFL1]
OldFogey
10-21-2021, 09:40
Man. I hope folks here were smart enough to put their Biden stickers on their bumpers and not on their paint.[facepalm]
Grant H.
10-21-2021, 10:13
I dunno Fox. Trump delivered on shit he said he'd do.... I don't think "any ol Republican" in the slot would have done so.
If ya gonna hate on someone, just admit it. I don't think "any ol Republican" would have shoved the mic up the ignorant medias ass the way he did, and I enjoyed that. Whether you like it or not, he did bring a new level of reality to the shit show that everyone caters to, regardless.
That is also a quality that DeSantis has, and I think we need that. Stroking hearts and minds of weak ass people, as well as suck ass media is not what our country needs to excel in the world. Neither is brainwashing our children and young adults to be marxists. imo.
Everyone says he "delivered" on what he said he'd do...
What exactly do you see that he accomplished? I'd sincerely like to see this.
The only thing that I have seen people trot out that he "accomplished" has been that he appointed a bunch of "conservative" judges. However, in the next breath they will proclaim that the "bench" is corrupt and liberal because not a single case of election fraud has been proven to have merit, even in front of judges that he appointed... So which is it?
SCOTUS Justices? Lol... His three picks are the most mediocre "conservatives" I've ever seen. Romney might have more of a spine than them.
Budget? He signed off on spending money just like Obummer... Except worse. $6.8T in 4 years compared to $8.3T in 8 years for Obummer...
So, please, tell me what he ACTUALLY accomplished?
Grant H.
10-21-2021, 10:18
Man. I hope folks here were smart enough to put their Biden stickers on their bumpers and not on their paint.[facepalm]
Right.
Because some of us don't just tow the "Trump will save us" line, we must have voted for this atrocity of an administration...
[blah-blah]
Aloha_Shooter
10-21-2021, 10:24
I've never found a solid definition that puts anarchy on either the far right or left. The same with tyranny.
There a few different circles that fit political ideology better that a right or left
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-38Ytx9UQMmk/U2__P4xD88I/AAAAAAAABds/HUVoZ0qu4nk/s1600/10336684_10103129257764237_595602021880431302_n.jp g
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7n739qX0AAoOOz.png
Jerry Pournelle did this 2D graph almost 5 decades ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournelle_chart
https://infogalactic.com/info/Pournelle_chart
Also the salesman never did deliver on his individual promises. Party? Any GOP would've nominated conservative Supremes, for instance. TRUMP does not get credit.
But what swamp did he drain exactly. People like General Mathis that bruised his ego? That's the only people the narcissist ever attacked, with his black/white think, the only enemies he ever really had were his own friends and appointments, because how dare anyone ever give his inflated head ADVICE or COUNSEL.
He never did anything against the "swamp" at all, because he is the freaking swamp. New York City Billionaire. LOL.
Doesn't deserve much of a reply other than LOL. The only sorry comment was he was fought and screwed every step of the way by sacks of shit like Ryan, Mccain, Romney and occasionally that fucking turtle. Beyond that, random hawaain judge every other day was spouting off injunctions against everything including laughably such things as trying to just cancel executive orders and other things under his clear purview.
Old guard moral panic /moral absolutionists and their neocon leaders practically aided the slide downwards in the last 20 yrs.
Man. I hope folks here were smart enough to put their Biden stickers on their bumpers and not on their paint.[facepalm]
Saw this last week. No ragrets?
https://i.imgur.com/kNUJGHWh.jpg
clodhopper
10-21-2021, 13:37
Everyone says he "delivered" on what he said he'd do...
What exactly do you see that he accomplished? I'd sincerely like to see this.
The only thing that I have seen people trot out that he "accomplished" has been that he appointed a bunch of "conservative" judges. However, in the next breath they will proclaim that the "bench" is corrupt and liberal because not a single case of election fraud has been proven to have merit, even in front of judges that he appointed... So which is it?
SCOTUS Justices? Lol... His three picks are the most mediocre "conservatives" I've ever seen. Romney might have more of a spine than them.
Budget? He signed off on spending money just like Obummer... Except worse. $6.8T in 4 years compared to $8.3T in 8 years for Obummer...
So, please, tell me what he ACTUALLY accomplished?
Too many people are looking only at things they think he SHOULD have accomplished. Mostly these are things that NO repub has EVER done, and then stamp feet and bellow that Trump sucks. Really? How about all the stuff he "didnt" do, like he didnt involve us in new overseas conflicts and significantly wound down the ones we were in. He didnt widely expand the federal government. Remember our last repub president and his creation of Homeland Security? He didnt expand .gov regulation, rather he actually rolled some of it back, something that NO president has done in close to 100 years.
If anyone expected he would provide sweeping changes to extraordinary conservative places, you were deceiving yourself. Yeah, he wasnt perfect, but show me which president in all of history met your lofty expectations.
Trump did spend money. He did. But so did Reagan, often presented as the best conservative pres in modern history. I dont view Reagan that way, but much of the spending then was to resolve the huge issues and underfunding left from Carter. Trump faced some of the same from Obama's financial faults. AND please sort out the funding of Covid stuff. ANY president would have spent that or more faced with that situation. Now all that aside, Trump still was a spendthrift. But he didnt run on a platform of fiscal responsibility. He never suggested he would balance a budget or pay off debt.
Trump isnt perfect, far from that actually. But we shouldnt let perfect be the enemy of good. He was better than Hillary would have been. I think that is a given. He also was better than the average GOP option that normally washes to the surface. Personally, I would rather see Ron Paul or similar get the spot, but not enough people in this country value independence and responsibility for that to happen.
I truly believe that we citizens are in our best position when the fed gov is locked up and cannot pass any new laws. I hate to see people rate politicians by "how much they got done", when the only thing they can really "get done" is pass new laws. While a few might be to my benefit, most new laws are simply wasteful new spending, and the GOP is just as bad as DNC on that one.
hollohas
10-21-2021, 13:40
Let's go back to talking about sticking it to the man. This Trump stuff is awful.
Vic Tory
10-21-2021, 15:40
Here's my number one question: What did trump do that ANY OTHER GOP wouldn't have done? People are giving TRUMP credit for the platform.
1. Unlike the previous FIVE Presidents, who promised to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem (Yes, from each major party.) he moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
2. He boldly challenged the lying cheating "Mainstream Media" like no POTUS ever has. The reason so many people now know CNN is a news outhouse is Trump.
3. His foreign policy "America First" was great! China, Syria, Russia, Iran and Turkey each realized they couldn't push Trump -- and America -- around anymore. Trump truly understood what it meant to "be the leader of the free world." He wasn't perfect ... but he wore that mantle well.
4. His economic policy was restorative. Many businesses which had taken their operations overseas brought them back.
5. Americans were proud again. Look at how many union-heavy states voted for Trump. They didn't even like him as a person, but they knew he was on the right track.
6. Trump won BIG in 2020. He got more legal votes than Biden -- by a long shot. NeverTrumpers and the DNC/Media/Soros/Chinese confederacy cheated to install Biden. I have not been persuaded by ANY arguments agains this. (And I didn't vote for Trump in 2016.)
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BLUNDER: I agree with Steve Deace, that Trump's handling of the China Virus scam cost him the election in 2020. I don't think even the massive cheating could have succeeded if he hadn't elevated Fauci and advanced (the crazy) Operation Warp Speed.
OtterbatHellcat
10-21-2021, 15:58
Let's go back to talking about sticking it to the man. This Trump stuff is awful.
I understand, and I can appreciate your sentiment.
Lets say we don't use his name, but rather the indiscriminate replacement of someone who believed in business and economy thriving, high employment, less restrictions, energy independence, lower taxes....and not taking any shit from the rest of the world milking US taxpayers dollars. I want someone to stand up against bullshit trade deals, back up nuclear restrictions for retards, and telling the leftist media to huff the chode.
The UN sucks, WHO sucks, someone to tell those asshats to pound sand. eta I forgot border security.
Bailey Guns
10-21-2021, 16:24
TDS runs very, very deep...
1. Unlike the previous FIVE Presidents, who promised to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem (Yes, from each major party.) he moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
2. He boldly challenged the lying cheating "Mainstream Media" like no POTUS ever has. The reason so many people now know CNN is a news outhouse is Trump.
3. His foreign policy "America First" was great! China, Syria, Russia, Iran and Turkey each realized they couldn't push Trump -- and America -- around anymore. Trump truly understood what it meant to "be the leader of the free world." He wasn't perfect ... but he wore that mantle well.
4. His economic policy was restorative. Many businesses which had taken their operations overseas brought them back.
5. Americans were proud again. Look at how many union-heavy states voted for Trump. They didn't even like him as a person, but they knew he was on the right track.
6. Trump won BIG in 2020. He got more legal votes than Biden -- by a long shot. NeverTrumpers and the DNC/Media/Soros/Chinese confederacy cheated to install Biden. I have not been persuaded by ANY arguments agains this. (And I didn't vote for Trump in 2016.)
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BLUNDER: I agree with Steve Deace, that Trump's handling of the China Virus scam cost him the election in 2020. I don't think even the massive cheating could have succeeded if he hadn't elevated Fauci and advanced (the crazy) Operation Warp Speed.
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That's a great post Vic Tory.
JohnnyDrama
10-21-2021, 19:04
...
I truly believe that we citizens are in our best position when the fed gov is locked up and cannot pass any new laws. I hate to see people rate politicians by "how much they got done", when the only thing they can really "get done" is pass new laws. While a few might be to my benefit, most new laws are simply wasteful new spending, and the GOP is just as bad as DNC on that one.
Exactly. We really don't need any more laws.
The only way this happens, is if we pass a balanced budget amendment.
Vic Tory
10-21-2021, 19:41
That's a great post Vic Tory.
Thanks. I try.
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We often read something along the lines of, "Nobody ever changes their mind based on internet posts." I am one example which disproves the rule.
a) I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 because I thought he would be terrible. I was wrong. Donald J Trump is the best president of my liftetime. (My first presidential ballot was cast for Ford in 1976.) I enthusiastically voted for him in 2020.
b) I scoffed at people who complained about "15 Days to Flatten the Curve." As soon as "30 Days to Slow the Spread" was announced two weeks later ... I was infuriated at the government over-reach.
Here is a list of what I believe would be tactics from the most to least effective means at stopping the Commie train cold, eventually derailing it, and ultimately destroying it.
Not surprisingly, they generally line up from hardest to easiest to actually achieve.
Next, how long it would take to stop the gears of the train, (1-3 months etc).
Lastly, I have set out what percentage of the current employed population I guesstimate it would take to succeed in any meaningful way.
1. THE last resort. 10+ years. 10%+ participation.
2. Stop using money. In all forms. 1-3 months. 30%+ participation.
3. Refuse to pay taxes wherever and whenever possible. 3-6 months. 50%+ participation.
4. Boycott all businesses/companies that are going along with Communist policies. 1-3 months. 50%+ participation.
5. Peaceful resistance to any and all tyrannical orders, mandates, rules, policies, or laws. 1-2 years. 25%+ participation.
I've long said the founders screwed up by missing a required forth branch. I used to call it "janitorial" but "restorative" sounds more legitimate. A branch that can clean, organize, sort and discard the detritus from the other three, with no power to itself legislate, dictate, or decree anything. Without it, there is no averting the eventual destination the rails of this train are taking us.
I've long said the founders screwed up by missing a required forth branch. I used to call it "janitorial" but "restorative" sounds more legitimate. A branch that can clean, organize, sort and discard the detritus from the other three, with no power to itself legislate, dictate, or decree anything. Without it, there is no averting the eventual destination the rails of this train are taking us.
That was basically what the Militia was. Right up until Hamilton and Washington decided that people couldn?t just make and sell Whiskey without paying their fair share of taxes.
https://youtu.be/vLIeXHFYfYs
OldFogey
10-22-2021, 07:32
Yup.
RblDiver
10-23-2021, 02:16
1. Unlike the previous FIVE Presidents, who promised to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem (Yes, from each major party.) he moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
2. He boldly challenged the lying cheating "Mainstream Media" like no POTUS ever has. The reason so many people now know CNN is a news outhouse is Trump.
3. His foreign policy "America First" was great! China, Syria, Russia, Iran and Turkey each realized they couldn't push Trump -- and America -- around anymore. Trump truly understood what it meant to "be the leader of the free world." He wasn't perfect ... but he wore that mantle well.
4. His economic policy was restorative. Many businesses which had taken their operations overseas brought them back.
5. Americans were proud again. Look at how many union-heavy states voted for Trump. They didn't even like him as a person, but they knew he was on the right track.
6. Trump won BIG in 2020. He got more legal votes than Biden -- by a long shot. NeverTrumpers and the DNC/Media/Soros/Chinese confederacy cheated to install Biden. I have not been persuaded by ANY arguments agains this. (And I didn't vote for Trump in 2016.)
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BLUNDER: I agree with Steve Deace, that Trump's handling of the China Virus scam cost him the election in 2020. I don't think even the massive cheating could have succeeded if he hadn't elevated Fauci and advanced (the crazy) Operation Warp Speed.
He also made a hell of a lot of progress towards Middle East peace. Multiple Muslim countries now acknowledge Israel and verify their right to exist.
He even got Kim Jong Un to the negotiating table, and for a long time they weren't testing their weapons.
I didn't vote for him in 2016, but was glad to in 2020.
Singlestack
10-23-2021, 06:48
The Road Warrior
Pretty good documentary about what will happen. On a side note, at least we can wear some cool clothes without people looking at us weird.
Oh, yeah, nobody is going to look weird at a bunch of old guys with bare asses hanging out of leathers! [ROFL1]
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