View Full Version : Rittenhouse Trial. Anyone watching the live streams?
colorider
11-05-2021, 13:26
Just curious if any of you are or have been watching the trial live streams or following it. I have been for the past few days when I have free time. I'm not going to offer any opinions but will say it has been quite interesting.
Had it on in the background for all but Monday.
Prosecution hasn't presented much to convict, IMO.
Interesting to see the feds actually released footage from their fixed wing drone, but "lost" the HD version
Yep. Pretty sure the DA is actually working for the defense...he's sure making their job easy.
The Richie McGinnis back and forth got a bit interesting. The DA sure looked like he was getting pissed for a bit there
colorider
11-05-2021, 14:30
The prosecuting attorney is annoying as hell.
Singlestack
11-05-2021, 14:38
I like how the prosecution witnesses are actually supporting the self defense case.
Grouchy Complainers coming in 4...3.......2...........1.........
I care less crap about Rittdnhouse!
[LOL]
colorider
11-05-2021, 14:53
I like how the prosecution witnesses are actually supporting the self defense case.
I picked up on that too.
I am currently watching Arbery case. It is showing police cam and it is graphic as it can get dead lying on the middle of the street on his pile of blood.
colorider
11-05-2021, 15:18
So, I know there is a reason behind some of the questions being asked, but daaaaaaaaaang some of them just seem like such nonsense. Then they go and ask the same question several more times just worded different. Now I know why I didn't want to become a lawyer like my father and grandfather. LOL. I will start watching again when they get into the meat and potatoes of the trial. Enough about asking the car dealer owner what time and when and what damage was done to his building. And how much damage. And the cost. And if he had insurance..
Vic Tory
11-05-2021, 15:25
I don't know what the prosecutor goofed on this time, but it's good to see Kyle smile ... if discretely.
https://gettr.com/post/pg61iu419d (https://gettr.com/post/pg61iu419d)
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2021, 19:35
So, I know there is a reason behind some of the questions being asked, but daaaaaaaaaang some of them just seem like such nonsense. Then they go and ask the same question several more times just worded different. Now I know why I didn't want to become a lawyer like my father and grandfather. LOL. I will start watching again when they get into the meat and potatoes of the trial. Enough about asking the car dealer owner what time and when and what damage was done to his building. And how much damage. And the cost. And if he had insurance..
They do that to see if a story changes, as well as time lines. Compared to original statements.
The angle is "he was protecting a store that didn't need protectin' cause it was fully insured, there was nothing that could've happened to the store and he knows it, he was stopping them peaceful protestors from obtaining property they was lawfully entitled to cause it was insured"
Should have never gone to trial. Mischaracterized chain of events has fallen apart under prosecution witness testimony. The media screed about Kyle bringing a gun across state lines got destroyed in the first day.
Pretty interesting to know the FBI is probably watching us from drones.
Should have never gone to trial. Mischaracterized chain of events has fallen apart under prosecution witness testimony. The media screed about Kyle bringing a gun across state lines got destroyed in the first day.
Pretty interesting to know the FBI is probably watching us from drones.
Yup . . . has been a political prosecution from the jump. Some of the DA's own witnesses have punched serious holes in an already ridiculously poor case. And that's aside from the completely obvious video evidence that Rittenhouse was attacked.
(Paraphrasing)
Witness: "The pedo felon manlet said 'if I catch any of you alone tonight, I'll kill you'."
Prosecutor: "But he didn't say that to Rittenhouse, right?"
Witness: "Well, Rittenhouse was standing right there with us . . . so, yes, he did."
Prosecutor: "How do you know what was happening when pedo felon manlet caught up with Rittenhouse?"
Witness: "Well . . . he yelled 'f**k you!' and reached for the gun."
theGinsue
11-06-2021, 08:58
Rittenhouse put himself in a bad scenario that had a strong likelihood of blowing up, but that isn't a crime and he's a kid so he doesn't have enough experience to have the wisdom to avoid such situations.
What I saw on the numerous videos that came out after the night of these events was someone who was attacked and protected themselves from those attacks.
Does it suck that people had to lose their lives? Yes. But the lesson here is not to attack someone else - especially if you know they are armed. Stupid games/stupid prizes and all that.
Why we should all care about this case is because this is about our right to self defense. If Rittenhouse is found guilty of murder, how the rest of us protect ourselves from attack in the future will be subject to the same criteria used against Rittenhouse.
Seamonkey
11-06-2021, 10:16
Interesting to see the feds actually released footage from their fixed wing drone, but "lost" the HD version
Pretty interesting to know the FBI is probably watching us from drones.
FBI drones, lost footage.... pucker factor x10
https://redstate.com/scotthounsell/2021/11/06/the-fbi-just-admitted-something-terrifying-and-no-one-seems-to-be-noticing-n470901
"Lost footage" is beyond by ability to comprehend in these situations. How does one keep faith in the integrity of the system or entity in question?
"Lost footage" is beyond by ability to comprehend in these situations. How does one keep faith in the integrity of the system or entity in question?
I'm guessing this is a rhetorical question and it's easy to infer and we all know the answer.
It isn't lost, they just don't want the U.S. public to shit their pants over the surveillance capabilities. I personally doubt there is a low-def version, they likely created a low-def version for this court, but they certainly aren't going to blow their load all over this court proceeding for a shooting they care little about. It shouldn't be a surprise that laws/regulation don't truly apply to the government itself.
can someone tell me (on the video time) or link of when Rittenhouse is smiling or laughing at the prosecutor's mess up?
HoneyBadger
11-06-2021, 11:20
I can’t wait for Rittenhouse to sue the pants off every media org that threw him under the bus. I hope he walks away a millionaire and lives a long, successful and peaceful life.
.... and go to law school as well.
Zundfolge
11-06-2021, 16:30
This seems to fit the general pattern where leftist DAs go all out against white cops involved in good shots because they know the prosecution will lose and then BLM types can claim "Injustice! The system is rigged!" as an excuse for more looting.
It almost looks like the prosecution is throwing this case on purpose. But also, does anyone think the assistant DA in Kenosha is going to be one of those Summa cum laude from a prestigious ivy league law school type lawyers? Naw, bush league assistant DA losing his ass in a bad case that's only being tried because of political pressure is probably the real answer.
Unless the jury pool has been compromised.
JohnnyDrama
11-06-2021, 16:53
This seems to fit the general pattern where leftist DAs go all out against white cops involved in good shots because they know the prosecution will lose and then BLM types can claim "Injustice! The system is rigged!" as an excuse for more looting.
It almost looks like the prosecution is throwing this case on purpose. But also, does anyone think the assistant DA in Kenosha is going to be one of those Summa cum laude from a prestigious ivy league law school type lawyers? Naw, bush league assistant DA losing his ass in a bad case that's only being tried because of political pressure is probably the real answer.
Unless the jury pool has been compromised.
Interesting....
The DA looses the case. Riots, looting, mayhem in the streets....
SQUIRREL!
Vic Tory
11-06-2021, 18:53
"Lost footage" is beyond by ability to comprehend in these situations. How does one keep faith in the integrity of the system or entity in question?
HA!!! Rhetorical question, indeed!
I am one who doesn't buy the, "FBI's rank and file are largely good agents. It's the Director and leadership which is the problem." line. I think the FBI has become corrupted from Top-to-Bottom.
... they likely created a low-def version for this court, but they certainly aren't going to blow their load all over this court proceeding for a shooting they care little about. It shouldn't be a surprise that laws/regulation don't truly apply to the government itself.
"Boom!" You just hit the nail on the head, if you ask me.
I can’t wait for Rittenhouse to sue the pants off every media org that threw him under the bus. I hope he walks away a millionaire and lives a long, successful and peaceful life.
Amen!!!
Interesting....
The DA looses the case. Riots, looting, mayhem in the streets....
SQUIRREL!
Oh, geez! How did I not see this coming???
colorider
11-06-2021, 21:33
Roots and looting were so last year.
I guess you haven't visited Portland this year.
wctriumph
11-07-2021, 00:38
Interesting....
The DA looses the case. Riots, looting, mayhem in the streets....
SQUIRREL!
Well, as long as Kyle will be there to protect property …
[Sarcasm2]
hollohas
11-07-2021, 07:37
I guess you haven't visited Portland this year.Funny how it's being completely ignored, even by conservative media, now that we have a new admin.
OldFogey
11-07-2021, 10:42
Interesting that the mayor, da, and the lead detective are all related.
https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/11/05/kce-obtains-rittenhouse-search-warrant-that-prosecutors-told-police-to-ignore/
Interesting that the mayor, da, and the lead detective are all related.
https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/11/05/kce-obtains-rittenhouse-search-warrant-that-prosecutors-told-police-to-ignore/
So...has Grosskreutz been charged with the firearm possession or concealed firearm?
Grant H.
11-08-2021, 09:15
It isn't lost, they just don't want the U.S. public to shit their pants over the surveillance capabilities. I personally doubt there is a low-def version, they likely created a low-def version for this court, but they certainly aren't going to blow their load all over this court proceeding for a shooting they care little about. It shouldn't be a surprise that laws/regulation don't truly apply to the government itself.
100% this...
I can't share any details/specs, but I can tell you that fixed wing UAV surveillance capabilities weren't in "low-def" a decade ago, and they haven't gotten worse... [ROFL1]
Despite the assertions and assumptions in the redstate article that was linked, concerning the number of UAV's or the ability to be "in the right place, at the right time", there might have been multiple UAV's, but they didn't need multiples to be able to capture "right time/right place".
We get to hear arm spaghetti guy's perspective today
This dude just testified that he did not recall if there was a round In the pipe when he carried his Glock that night.
Smells like bullshit
Grant H.
11-08-2021, 09:56
This dude just testified that he did not recall if there was a round In the pipe when he carried his Glock that night.
Smells like bullshit
It's hard to prove memory, and that makes it sound less intimidating...
I know some folks that purposely CCW without a round in the chamber, since they feel like it will help the legal case of "I didn't want to shoot the scumbag, I had to! I had to actually chamber a round first!"
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-08-2021, 10:10
Roots and looting were so last year.
Yep, not helping the narrative about back to normal. THough if the economy tries to die again like it did in Q3, we might see something. Also, with the SCOTUS gun cases expect more coverage of concealed assault pistols?
So...has Grosskreutz been charged with the firearm possession or concealed firearm?
If Rittenhouse walks, it begs that question, plus charging him with assault with a deadly weapon. He was a prohibited person anyways, right?
wctriumph
11-08-2021, 13:02
This dude just testified that he did not recall if there was a round In the pipe when he carried his Glock that night.
Smells like bullshit
Using the Alex Baldwin defense??
Using the Alex Baldwin defense??
He later testified that he did, in fact, point a loaded and chambered Glock at Rittenhouse.
He also indicated that he approached Kyle because he was worried about Kyle's safety
If someone points a gun at you, you must assume it's loaded and they mean you harm. Self defense is justified.
during the crime/mass murder/robbery,
"excuse me sir/ma'am, is the gun loaded?"
Rooskibar03
11-08-2021, 16:33
This Tweet sums up the day. Absolutely epic. 88308
Great-Kazoo
11-08-2021, 17:19
If someone points a gun at you, you must assume it's loaded and they mean you harm. Self defense is justified.
depends on the mindset and political leaning's of the jury.
IMO....Oj would have been found guilty, if not for the testimony of Mark Furman. had furman said show me 1 beat / patrol cop who has never used a racial epitath while on duty, or elsewhere. I'll show you a liar.
Instead of denying he ever used one, himself.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-08-2021, 17:25
I still think that a majority of people, and those on the jury, could hear all this evidence and still fall back on "He was underaged, crossed state lines, wasn't supposed to be there, used an AR and killed those people.- He's guilty"
.455_Hunter
11-08-2021, 17:42
I still think that a majority of people, and those on the jury, could hear all this evidence and still fall back on "He was underaged, crossed state lines, wasn't supposed to be there, used an AR and killed those people.- He's guilty"
I would think getting a unanimous guilty will be hard based on this testimony. The defense hasn't event started their case yet.
Rooskibar03
11-08-2021, 21:03
I still think that a majority of people, and those on the jury, could hear all this evidence and still fall back on "He was underaged, crossed state lines, wasn't supposed to be there, used an AR and killed those people.- He's guilty"
Two words, Directed Verdict. Given the judge in this case I could see it happening.
http://youtu.be/VJ7SyNqqUjE
ChadAmberg
11-08-2021, 21:19
http://youtu.be/VJ7SyNqqUjE
That's good but I love this version better. It's on reddit, not sure how to extract the video, but it has multiple lawyers on screen and their reaction is hilarious.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qpo37n/lawyers_publicly_streaming_their_reactions_to_the/
That was good. Looks like it was taken from this:
http://youtu.be/XZEdgcTbJ4Q
HoneyBadger
11-09-2021, 11:42
https://notthebee.com/article/the-prosecutions-star-witness-against-kyle-rittenhouse-admitted-he-got-shot-after-pulling-a-gun-here-was-the-medias-insane-spin-on-that-testimony
colorider
11-09-2021, 17:41
Today was interesting. The photographer that was on the stand was pretty irritated with the prosecution and had some great answers to his questions. This is the first live stream case I have watched, or any case for that matter. It has been educational and interesting to say the least. It is going to be very interesting what the jury comes up with for their verdict. There are pictures and videos and testimonies that show Kyle's acts were in self defense. And testimonies that say different. Grab the popcorn.
hollohas
11-10-2021, 13:30
Dang. Trial today is bonkers.
Kyle took the stand. Bold move considering it's been in his favor. He's done amazing.
But the judge absolutely LIT UP the prosecutor today. Straight up yelling at him. Sounded like he probably had spit flying from his mouth he was so mad. The prosecutor brought info that the judge already ruled out of proceedings. Defense accused the prosecution of attempting to provoke a mistrial. Whoa. Nuts!
The prosecutor was questioning Kyle's silence leading up to this point and the judge said that was a grave constitutional violation. He was pissed.
colorider
11-10-2021, 13:35
That bitchslapping the judge did to the prosecutor today was epic!!!! There were actually 2 of them. During the first one the judge told him "You are almost done here" ! Really a good watch today. Really opens your eyes of what you may be facing if you are in a defensive shooting situation!!!!!
Dang. Trial today is bonkers.
Kyle took the stand. Bold move considering it's been in his favor. He's done amazing.
But the judge absolutely LIT UP the prosecutor today. Straight up yelling at him. Sounded like he probably had spit flying from his mouth he was so mad. The prosecutor brought info that the judge already ruled out of proceedings. Defense accused the prosecution of attempting to provoke a mistrial. Whoa. Nuts!
The prosecutor was questioning Kyle's silence leading up to this point and the judge said that was a grave constitutional violation. He was pissed.
Ok.
So the judge was mad? So what.
Maybe he should have paused the trial and had the prosecutor jailed overnight for contempt?
The prosecutor said what he wanted. A bell cannot be unrung.
Basically, the way to "unring it" is dismiss all charges for prosecution misconduct and let the prosecutor sit in jail for contempt for a few weeks....
hollohas
11-10-2021, 13:58
Ok.
So the judge was mad? So what.
Umm...it was just crazy. No other point.
You don't get to see judges get worked up that much usually.
colorider
11-10-2021, 14:21
Just for an FYI, the judge had sent the jury out of the room every time he had to scold the Prosecution and discuss things. Also, if you are not watching or listening, please do so before commenting. It is pretty important to see/hear it before making judgement.
Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger looks like the neighbor we use to have around mid 90s. he was an asshole and a public defender.
colorider
11-10-2021, 16:27
Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger looks like the neighbor we use to have around mid 90s. he was an asshole and a public defender.
Both of the prosecution people should lose their jobs after this fiasco. They are horrible.
Both of the prosecution people should lose their jobs after this fiasco. They are horrible.
I was just talking about that with my family.
ADA might have a job after this. He might be just following order.
DA for sure SHOULD NOT get re-elected.
Vic Tory
11-10-2021, 16:33
Recorded two hours on OANN. Watching it now.
I think this DA -- or ADA, the guy in the grey suit, red striped tie and glasses -- is genuinely stupid. Wow.
buffalobo
11-10-2021, 17:21
Purely political prosecution.
If it were an actual criminal prosecution at least it could be said "the people" had their day in court. Fukkin ridiculous proceedings.
Purely political prosecution.
If it were an actual criminal prosecution at least it could be said "the people" had their day in court. Fukkin ridiculous proceedings.
More reason to throw DA in the gray bar hotel for a little bit for contempt of court....
colorider
11-10-2021, 17:49
Judge also scolded him for violating constitutional rights.
I watched a good amount of the trial today on the live stream with the other attorneys watching. The DA is an absolute ass and there was word that the jury was uninterested and annoyed when the DA was questioning Kyle. If anything,the DA just bolstered the defense with his line of questioning. There were points were the questioning was so bad that any normal person would be asking why this kid is even being charged with murder.
The defense also plan to introduce a motion to declare a mistrial WITH PREJUDICE, which basically means it can't be retried.
If the jury comes back with a guilty verdict of any flavor, I'd be surprised if the Judge didn't issue a "directed verdict" due to the political pressure to find guilty and clear evidence of self defense.
I still think the defense shouldn't have called Kyle but the kid held his own against the seasoned prosecutor and the jury saw it...
I still think the defense shouldn't have called Kyle but the kid held his own against the seasoned prosecutor and the jury saw it...
Maybe the DA will want to charge Rittenhouse for the beat down / slaughtering that Rittenhouse delivered to the prosecution in the courtroom?
hollohas
11-10-2021, 18:29
The defense also plan to introduce a motion to declare a mistrial WITH PREJUDICE, which basically means it can't be retried.
I think they did today.
theGinsue
11-10-2021, 18:43
The Prosecutor keeps pushing Kyle to say he was armed because he was expecting trouble - to basically catch Kyle in a "then you should have left and since you didn't, you brought this on yourself" scenario. Kyle's replys stayed on the line of "To defend myself if I had to but I wasn't expecting to have to use it". And when pushed to say that the crowd was belligerent/hateful to Kyle he essentially responded "no, I didn't think so". Just once when the Prosecutor asked why he had the AR to defend himself if he didn't really expect trouble I wish Kyle had responded that his parents aren't expecting a house fire but we have fire extinguishers in the home just in case.
I kept hearing the Prosecutor asking yes or no questions with 1 key word in them that could have jammed Kyle up if he had given the simple "yes" answer. The Defense team prepped Kyle well enough to catch those words and respond with a clear but short response that was neither a yes or no (perfect responses).
At one point the Prosecutor was pushing Kyle for using FMJ ammo instead of hollowpoints. He insinuated Kyle chose to use the FMJ because it had a better chance of going through his target to hit someone else. He even said something like "so the case is full metal jacket?" to which Kyle responded something like "I don't know about the case but the bullet is FMJ, but I really don't know much about ammunition". The Prosecutor continued to push Kyle about the ammo and Kyle kept replying he didn't know much about ammo and I believe the judge finally told the Prosecutor to move on.
While Kyle is doing pretty well under the constant questioning and multiple traps the Prosecutor keeps setting, I think it was a bold move to have him take the stand (as was already said, the case clearly seemed to be going in favor of the Defense to that point). There was one point earlier on where Kyle was asked to explain a situation (where he was essentially surrounded by ~100 people) and he broke down. I watched closely and honestly believe it wasn't just a sympathy show for the jury and that he was actually reliving the fear he experienced during that moment. This had to win points with the jury and I think the Prosecutor knew it because after a 10 minute break to let Kyle compose himself that's when it seemed to me the Prosecutor was trying his best to get a mistrail declared for a possible chance to re-try Kyle (hoping the second prosecution would go more favorably for the Prosecution).
As someone else stated, this gives good insight into what you might expect in a defensive shooting case. EVERY thought and action is scrutinized, before, during and after the event.
I think they did today.
From what I watched is they informed the judge they will be. He inquired about the reasoning. We shall see.
To be fair a lot of criticism was levied at the defense for not objecting enough to the cross exam. Lots of speculation that they let the DA make an ass of himself in front of the jury though.
colorider
11-10-2021, 19:01
I think Kyle held it together very well when being asked the same question over and over. He kept with the same answer over and over. He didn’t fall for the traps. If there is another prosecution fumble tomorrow the defense an/or judge should call for a mistrial with prejudice and be done with it.
Zundfolge
11-10-2021, 19:11
Brutal
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Vic Tory
11-10-2021, 19:32
The defense also plans to introduce a motion to declare a mistrial WITH PREJUDICE, which basically means it can't be retried. Good!
I still think the defense shouldn't have called Kyle but the kid held his own against the seasoned prosecutor and the jury saw it...I agree it was a big risk ... but maybe the Defense Attorney knew the ADA was so stupid...?
Maybe the DA will want to charge Rittenhouse for the beat down / slaughtering that Rittenhouse delivered to the prosecution in the courtroom?Good one!!!
... I wish Kyle had responded that his parents aren't expecting a house fire but we have fire extinguishers in the home just in case.That would have been great!
I kept hearing the Prosecutor asking yes or no questions with 1 key word in them that could have jammed Kyle up if he had given the simple "yes" answer. The Defense team prepped Kyle well enough to catch those words and respond with a clear but short response that was neither a yes or no (perfect responses).Yup!
... after a 10 minute break to let Kyle compose himself that's when it seemed to me the Prosecutor was trying his best to get a mistrail declared for a possible chance to re-try Kyle (hoping the second prosecution would go more favorably for the Prosecution).Ah-ha!!! Maybe the ADA was NOT a dummy. I had not thought of this ... but it's a distinct possibility. Well done, Ginsue!
As someone else stated, this gives good insight into what you might expect in a defensive shooting case. EVERY thought and action is scrutinized, before, during and after the event.True. (And this is part of why I joined US Law Shield. I hope I never need them, but I have the membership.)
Vic Tory
11-10-2021, 20:24
Binger: “Why didn’t you just leave your AR-15 on the ground and walk away?”
Me, yelling at the TV: "Cuz he's a responsible gun owner and not an imbecile, you ninny!!!"
Aloha_Shooter
11-10-2021, 23:14
Should have never gone to trial. Mischaracterized chain of events has fallen apart under prosecution witness testimony. The media screed about Kyle bringing a gun across state lines got destroyed in the first day.
Pretty interesting to know the FBI is probably watching us from drones.
The prosecutor should face disbarment for even bringing this case forward. Won't happen of course but this is nothing but a politically motivated show trial, nevermind the fact that it's going to ruin his life for years (if not forever).
Too busy to watch the streams. Just WOW on some of the coverage though.
Based on the news, the prosecutor was bringing up the fact that he stayed silent until deciding to testify as a witness?
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK. Not only should the prosecutor be removed (never happens though) That judge needs to be removed from the bench (never happens though).
Proper action would have been immediate mistrial, and I'd have also held the prosecutor in contempt, myself.
Punitive measures are required to make it clear to attorneys that this bullshit of "We'll say it, it'll piss of the judge and we'll take our lumps, but the jury will know it".
That is as CLEAR of a violation of the 5th as there could be, and you can't uncork it. They need to shove a fully grown saguaro cactus in the prosecutors ass to make an example of him.
OctopusHighball
11-11-2021, 02:04
Watched Rekieta Law version of the live stream today, all nine hours and twenty one minutes of it today. Panel of 10 lawyers commenting on the trial as it happens, pretty great stuff.
As someone else here said, every self defender should watch today's stream for the ridiculousness of the prosecutors cross examination and the realization of what one would have faced if they were in the same position.
hurley842002
11-11-2021, 02:48
They need to shove a fully grown saguaro cactus in the prosecutors ass to make an example of him.
Send him down my way! Starting to sound like Bert lol.
Too busy to watch the streams. Just WOW on some of the coverage though.
Based on the news, the prosecutor was bringing up the fact that he stayed silent until deciding to testify as a witness?
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK. Not only should the prosecutor be removed (never happens though) That judge needs to be removed from the bench (never happens though).
Proper action would have been immediate mistrial, and I'd have also held the prosecutor in contempt, myself.
Punitive measures are required to make it clear to attorneys that this bullshit of "We'll say it, it'll piss of the judge and we'll take our lumps, but the jury will know it".
That is as CLEAR of a violation of the 5th as there could be, and you can't uncork it. They need to shove a fully grown saguaro cactus in the prosecutors ass to make an example of him.
I think the proper way for the judge is to act upon a motion for mistrial w/ prejudice presented by the defense. Very similar to the judge only ruling on a "objection" challenge. If there is no objection there is nothing to rule on.
I think the defense should have asked for recess and came back asking for adjournment with the intention of filing for a mistrial. Easy for me to say while I sit behind this computer however.....
I?ve been watching the streams on Rekieta Law YouTube and it has been very interesting. When the judge tells the prosecutor, ?I don?t believe you.?, this is getting interesting.
From what I understand, they would let the defense make their case prior to declaring a mistrial with prejudice.
Binger and Krause are both idiots. I also think the defense is not doing a good job of protecting Kyle. When Binger is throwing out that Kyle was there violating curfew, the curfew charge has already been thrown out. Come on, defense, stop letting the prosecution create a false narrative against Kyle.
Vic Tory
11-11-2021, 13:16
As someone else here said, every self defender should watch today's stream for the ridiculousness of the prosecutors cross examination and the realization of what one would have faced if they were in the same position.
This!
am watching it from nbc, abc, cbs, fox streaming.
Most of legal analysts from all major network have very similar comments about prosecution.
https://www.youtube.com/c/RekietaLaw
As much as video is used in trials, everyone involved seems to know little about how digital imaging, software algorithms, and display technologies actually modify the original source data.
Vic Tory
11-11-2021, 16:11
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Vic Tory
11-11-2021, 16:28
Much of today's testimony is WAY beyond my ken.
Are these attorneys doing this to somehow PROVE the validity of the videos, and the enhanced videos? In other words, they're doing this to assure the jury the videos either HAVE -- or HAVE NOT -- been tampered with to present a fake story?
Yes? No? Something different?
Much of today's testimony is WAY beyond my ken.
Are these attorneys doing this to somehow PROVE the validity of the videos, and the enhanced videos? In other words, they're doing this to assure the jury the videos either HAVE -- or HAVE NOT -- been tampered with to present a fake story?
Yes? No? Something different?
Most of the arguing today is over 1 blurry ass video. According to the state, it shows Kyle raising the gun before the initial pursuit starts.
...and they were watching the blurry ass video upscaled on a 4K TV. What they were looking at was being modified by the TVs upscaling algorithms.
State's video expert didn't know how the software algorithm was modifying the image. That was interesting.
I couldn't see squat from that video.
OctopusHighball
11-11-2021, 18:09
...and they were watching the blurry ass video upscaled on a 4K TV. What they were looking at was being modified by the TVs upscaling algorithms.
State's video expert didn't know how the software algorithm was modifying the image. That was interesting.
I couldn't see squat from that video.
And at the end of it all, they put up two grainy printed out pictures that the jury got to look at for about 30 seconds. Then that was it.
I went to the Amped 5 website and looked at their "Case Studies" pages. On some items (like unwrapping a 360 degree camera view) I can see legit usage for, but for other examples there is NO way those pics are done without some kind of artificial intelligence "guesstimating" of the adjoining pixels.
I would like to hear a Tax attorney and Traffic accident attorney's take on this trial.
[gohome]
hollohas
11-11-2021, 19:37
Binger is a moron.
And looks like a super douche with his lame little mustache thing.
That is all.
Scanker19
11-11-2021, 19:45
https://youtu.be/C4qFhDT4v3Q
I was able to watch bits of the trial and the prosecution continued to step on their dicks every chance they had. I think it's going to be a mistrial or he gets off.
I like the Judge, knowledgeable and solid. He does not like the media and that's fine with me! I hope the Judge/jury is not swayed by threats of demonstrations.
Two questions, 1 - What was Kyle doing with his pen during the cross examinations of other witnesses? Looked like he was punching out dots in cardboard or something, not like taking notes. Just wondering!
2 - I'm guessing he has some go-fund-me type backing to pay for his legal fees?
Best wishes for a good outcome, this kid would be dead if he hadn't reacted the way he did. Time to show the punk BLM/Antifa crowd that the law works both ways and put a stop to this crap.
I haven?t been following any of this but from what I am reading here you guys are making the prosecution sound like incompetent morons.
Is it possible they were forced to prosecute under political duress and are doing everything they can to get the case tossed or the defendant acquitted because they think the charges are garbage and the case shouldn?t have happened in the first place?
Vic Tory
11-11-2021, 20:39
I haven?t been following any of this but from what I am reading here you guys are making the prosecution sound like incompetent morons.
Is it possible they were forced to prosecute under political duress and are doing everything they can to get the case tossed or the defendant acquitted because they think the charges are garbage and the case shouldn?t have happened in the first place?I listen to Dan Bongino's podcast. He's not an attorney, but he has lots of experience with these types of trials as an ex-cop and retired Secret Service....
Bongino thinks the DA is either brilliant ... or really stupid.
He says the prosecution has already lost this case so badly -- and they know it -- so they are actually TRYING to force the judge to declare a mistrial and save them from themselves. The judge KNOWS that's what the DA is doing and is doing HIS BEST to keep from having to do this. The judge wants the JURY to have the case and declare Kyle not guilty....
colorider
11-11-2021, 21:52
It will be interesting how the jury pulls apart all the info to determine their decision on this one. Whatever it is, it will be a MAJOR lesson on your responsibility as a CCW or defensive person if somebody gets injured or dies.
I was able to watch bits of the trial and the prosecution continued to step on their dicks every chance they had. I think it's going to be a mistrial or he gets off.
I like the Judge, knowledgeable and solid. He does not like the media and that's fine with me! I hope the Judge/jury is not swayed by threats of demonstrations.
Two questions, 1 - What was Kyle doing with his pen during the cross examinations of other witnesses? Looked like he was punching out dots in cardboard or something, not like taking notes. Just wondering!
2 - I'm guessing he has some go-fund-me type backing to pay for his legal fees?
Best wishes for a good outcome, this kid would be dead if he hadn't reacted the way he did. Time to show the punk BLM/Antifa crowd that the law works both ways and put a stop to this crap.
The usual avenues were shut down very quickly.
There's a website setup to accept paypal or crypto. Don't be surprised if PP cancels accounts. Fuckers. https://t.co/EdCXPCFSCk?amp=1
"Prosecutors file motion for list of people who donated to Kyle Rittenhouse defense fund"
Vic Tory
11-11-2021, 23:10
If Nick Sandmann got $50MM for the lies the media made up about him, then Kyle Rittenhouse should seriously clean up!
[cigar] [King] [cigar]
Great-Kazoo
11-12-2021, 09:06
The usual avenues were shut down very quickly.
There's a website setup to accept paypal or crypto. Don't be surprised if PP cancels accounts. Fuckers. https://t.co/EdCXPCFSCk?amp=1
"Prosecutors file motion for list of people who donated to Kyle Rittenhouse defense fund"
Besides that motion. Look for a motion to remove the judge, over his "supposed" racial and biased (salute to veterans) issues.
Once again ANYTHING to prevent a fair trial. Typical playbook from the left.
BladesNBarrels
11-12-2021, 11:55
Legal Analyst on CBS this morning opined that the judge was making sure the defendant got a fair trail.
Comment was that the verdict, whatever it is, could not be appealed based on his favoring the prosecution.
Had not considered that.
colorider
11-12-2021, 14:26
The DA pressed charges 48 hours after the incident and had not even seen any of the videos.
Kyle has been gifted and donations received in the staggering numbers. Some from crowdfunding, and some from private parties. Well over $500,000
The prosecution is asking the judge to allow for lesser charges to be applied to the murder charges. Judge has not decided if he is going to allow it.
It really has looked like the judge has been favoring KR, so it is going be be really interesting how the judge gets involved from here on. My father is a retired lawyer and he thinks Binger and the other oaf should quit practicing law.
media really have no news to cover after petito/Laundrie case?
'How not to be a good judge': Kyle Rittenhouse judge draws new backlash with 'Asian food' joke
Drake Bentley and Joel Shannon, USA TODAY NETWORK
Fri, November 12, 2021, 5:16 AM
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/cm/not-good-judge-kyle-rittenhouse-021313125.html
seriously?
many be some are just too sensitive that their shipment from China hasn't arrived yet.
[flamingo]
Can someone explain why the judge is allowing charges to be added after the trial?
It seems to me the prosecution is saying "we know we didnt prove the original charges, so lets us add charges that might stick that the defendant doesnt have a chance to defend against"???
theGinsue
11-12-2021, 17:55
The prosecution is asking the judge to allow for lesser charges to be applied to the murder charges. Judge has not decided if he is going to allow it.
This really isn't good news for Kyle Rittenhouse. And, the judge hinted he'd be inclined to allow for this (haven't heard if he's actually riled on this yet).
Currently, these are the charges Kyle Rittenhouse faces:
First-degree reckless homicide, use of a dangerous weapon
First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon
First-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon
Attempted first-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon
First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon
Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18
Failure to comply with an emergency order from state or local government
Personally, I think the lesser charges issue should have been decided before the trial started and especially before Kyle was on the stand. Given that the Prosecution has had FULL control over how to proceed (Charge or not charge? If charging, charge with what? Offer plea deals or not, etc.). Knowing lesser charges were on the table could have drastically changed how the Defense presented their case. The Prosecution moved forward with their case to convict on 1st Degree Murder charges, etc. and they should be held to those charges. Allowing consideration for lesser charges is, in my eyes, a form a double jeopardy and asking for them is certainly a bitter loser Hail Mary effort to get Kyle Rittenhouse convicted of something - since they know they screwed the pooch on their case.
If these charges hold, I can see him being convicted of the last 2 of these charges. As to the "Failure to comply" charge, how many others in the streets that night (including his surviving "victim") have been charged with that crime? Law enforcement knows the names of PLENTY of other folks who were out that night and to only charge/convict Rittenhouse would be BS.
Consider that everyone is aware that an acquittal could result in rioting, the jury may choose to convict on lesser charges to pacify the potential protests - not fair to the defendant, but it's a reality.
Juries are also all but instructed to rule how the court wants "If the burdens are met YOU HAVE TO FIND THE DEFENDANT GUILTY" etc. with heavy inference of the court.
It would be nice if there was also a jury instruction: "You don't live under a kings court, and you don't have to justify your decision to anyone." But alas, we do. 95% chance he is convicted of the < 18 weapons possession charge. Unless someone like me was on the jury [AR15], which is usually unlikely.
Unless someone like me was on the jury [AR15], which is usually unlikely.
If I am on a jury I will fairly evaluate the evidence presented and judge per the law including my knowledge of pertinent case law.
If I am on a jury I will fairly evaluate the evidence presented and judge per the law including my knowledge of pertinent case law.
Not disagreeing with your method, me personally, I'll also evaluate if the law is fairly applicable, constitutional, and relevant, as well as it's purpose and intent.
Because there's been all sorts of things that are illegal, yet moral, and all sorts of things legal that are highly immoral. Yep, I'm the guy that may, in some cases, nullify. There is no age of possession for long guns in federal law. Usually, they can be gifted to underage people < 18 even in states that have UBC (like Colorado). The reason I would absolutely not deliver a guilty verdict on that charge is for that reason: Laws like that are often penalizing not the possession of the weapon, but in fact, the method of acquisition. I am not going to penalize someone for that alone when they wouldn't be in trouble, in the same charge, if a rich parent gifted it to them.
And while I've been subject to voir dire I've been excused thus far... lols. Nobody wants independent thought in a jury.
And while I've been subject to voir dire I've been excused thus far... lols. Nobody wants independent thought in a jury.
As I am a fair and impartial juror, I wouldn't want any posting discovered on social media to suggest that I would be otherwise nor follow the law.
Learned a long time ago to not guess what a jury will do. Kinda similar thinking about voters LOL.
This really isn't good news for Kyle Rittenhouse. And, the judge hinted he'd be inclined to allow for this (haven't heard if he's actually riled on this yet).
Currently, these are the charges Kyle Rittenhouse faces:
First-degree reckless homicide, use of a dangerous weapon
First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon
First-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon
Attempted first-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon
First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon
Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18
Failure to comply with an emergency order from state or local government
Personally, I think the lesser charges issue should have been decided before the trial started and especially before Kyle was on the stand. Given that the Prosecution has had FULL control over how to proceed (Charge or not charge? If charging, charge with what? Offer plea deals or not, etc.). Knowing lesser charges were on the table could have drastically changed how the Defense presented their case. The Prosecution moved forward with their case to convict on 1st Degree Murder charges, etc. and they should be held to those charges. Allowing consideration for lesser charges is, in my eyes, a form a double jeopardy and asking for them is certainly a bitter loser Hail Mary effort to get Kyle Rittenhouse convicted of something - since they know they screwed the pooch on their case.
If these charges hold, I can see him being convicted of the last 2 of these charges. As to the "Failure to comply" charge, how many others in the streets that night (including his surviving "victim") have been charged with that crime? Law enforcement knows the names of PLENTY of other folks who were out that night and to only charge/convict Rittenhouse would be BS.
Consider that everyone is aware that an acquittal could result in rioting, the jury may choose to convict on lesser charges to pacify the potential protests - not fair to the defendant, but it's a reality.
FIFY. The curfew charge was already thrown out based on a previous case that involved the curfew. It wasn't deemed enforceable, IIRC.
It was a tack-on charge and was part of the prosecution's case that he shouldn't have been there/shouldn't have been there with a scary gun.
Is he not guilty of murder yet?
Juries are also all but instructed to rule how the court wants "If the burdens are met YOU HAVE TO FIND THE DEFENDANT GUILTY" etc. with heavy inference of the court.
It would be nice if there was also a jury instruction: "You don't live under a kings court, and you don't have to justify your decision to anyone." But alas, we do. 95% chance he is convicted of the < 18 weapons possession charge. Unless someone like me was on the jury [AR15], which is usually unlikely.
Who, exactly, are you including in "the court"?
Seems to me, the court includes the judge, prosecution and defense.
So you're saying the (supposedly) impartial) judge, the prosecution (fed, district, state, county, etc...) and the defense are all in cahoots from the get go to achieve a communal goal?
Your words:
Juries are also all but instructed to rule how the court wants "If the burdens are met YOU HAVE TO FIND THE DEFENDANT GUILTY" etc. with heavy inference of the court.
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No wonder your handle changes so often.
Sent from somewhere
Who, exactly, are you including in "the court"?
Seems to me, the court includes the judge, prosecution and defense.
So you're saying the (supposedly) impartial) judge, the prosecution (fed, district, state, county, etc...) and the defense are all in cahoots from the get go to achieve a communal goal?
Your words:
Juries are also all but instructed to rule how the court wants "If the burdens are met YOU HAVE TO FIND THE DEFENDANT GUILTY" etc. with heavy inference of the court.
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No wonder your handle changes so often.
Sent from somewhere
I'll throw in my 2 cents worth to say that while the judge, prosecution or plaintiff, and defense have different objectives there is the communal goal of making money for all the attorneys involved.
And Foxtart is correct that the judge's instructions to the jury are frequently designed to direct a particular outcome that fits the judge's philosophy, prejudices and personal interests. In many cases it dismantles the deliberations by ignoring the laws the judge doesn't agree with and usurps and negates the value of citizen juries.
Cray, court for all intents and purposes just = judge, if you've ever read a legal opinion in your life you'd know that. In such a discussion like this I actually presumed it was common knowledge. Even a dictionary would have been of assistance to you in preventing you from announcing that you are equal measures classy and intelligent.
Court
the judge or judges presiding at a court.
noun: the court
It would also blow my mind if, in this day and age, anyone believes it is truly possible for any judge to be completely impartial. One way or the other, every individual has a desired outcome for almost every case, save those that they hate both sides in equal measure. Only a fool thinks a judge doesn't favor their outcome even if they believe themselves impartial. That said, if a judge observes their favored outcome is definitely going to win, sometimes they will shore up against appellate attacks to try to help out long term. (Seeming as if they are harsh to their favored person, yet helping them out in the long run). This is a system nearly unchanged from 1600. There are better ways, but the control rests with those with vested interest in the status quo.
Research also prevails over assumption. A judge can overturn any verdict except one of innocence. People should really research how appeals are conducted and work before doubting how much control rests with a judge as well.
I concur that judicial impartiality is likely a pipe dream in this day and age.
Regarding research, could you please cite which dictionary you are referencing in your above examle?
At your behest, I consulted 2 separate common tomes, The American Heritage Dictionary and Webster's Dictionary. Neither's entry for 'court' was remotely similar to your reference.
I only ask to satisfy my own curiosity as to the source.
And, actually, I have sat on a jury in a grievous bodily harm case. Not murder, or attempted murder, but a serious incident none the less.
Not your level of involvement with the court system for sure, but I have been exposed to it.
Carry on.
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I concur that judicial impartiality is likely a pipe dream in this day and age.
Regarding research, could you please cite which dictionary you are referencing in your above examle?
At your behest, I consulted 2 separate common tomes, The American Heritage Dictionary and Webster's Dictionary. Neither's entry for 'court' was remotely similar to your reference.
I only ask to satisfy my own curiosity as to the source.
And, actually, I have sat on a jury in a grievous bodily harm case. Not murder, or attempted murder, but a serious incident none the less.
Not your level of involvement with the court system for sure, but I have been exposed to it.
Carry on.
Sent from somewhere
Simply google "court definition" and either click on "law" or click on "more definitions". I believe they are sourcing from Oxford but I can't guarantee it. Another avenue would be to look at a legal dictionary (they exist).
Insofar as research, I'm referring to appeals there, but most of the American public has *no idea*. Just some tidbits:
1) There is no ability to appeal until a case is entirely concluded, no matter what mistakes a judge has made along the way. People can be subjected to all sorts of judicial overreach that screws their life up, there is no appeal until months after the very end. Some cases can last a decade.
2) "Discretion" is the most commonly applied standard and means even if a judge's decision was obviously bias'ed or incorrect, the appeals court is OBLIGATED to try to craft an explanation that would justify it.
3) "Error preservation" - if you did not raise your problem with the court you have a problem with, you can't appeal it. To be more clear, lets say a judge does something like gives you 5 minutes to speak and then cuts you off under threat of sanction. Well, if you didn't stand there in front of the court and lodge an oral motion/offer of proof (and get held in contempt for it), you didn't preserve your error so you can't appeal it.
This is... a TLDR version and is not 100% accurate it is maybe 95%, with hundreds of other pitfalls I am not mentioning, just simplifying here. For most people, if their attorney fucks up their case, there is no fixing it due to the lack of error preservation. If your attorney fails to research and mention case law, it really doesn't matter if your judgment/verdict/whatever contravenes settled law or is (insert problem) - your attorney didn't preserve the error, there's usually nothing you can do about it.
PS: 11ish years of professional experience. I may rant, but I've seen crazy shit. I've never been arrested or accused of any crime, ever. I have seen plenty of people's lives ruined by criminal/civil/etc. though...
ETA2: And my statistical success rate is much higher than the average. Appeals have an very bad success rate nationally (I forget exactly, 6% +/- something). I'd have to do the math but I think something like 4/10 of what I drafted became wins.
it is more question how long does jurors take for them to say not guilty on all murder charges.
possession is a different story.
Judge just dismissed the Minor in Possession of a Firearm charge, prior to jury instructions.
The statute they charged him under covers handguns, SBRs, and SBSs, not rifles. One would think that someone would have noticed that it was not applicable to the weapon he was carrying at some time prior to the end stage of the trial.
Grant H.
11-15-2021, 11:39
Judge just dismissed the Minor in Possession of a Firearm charge, prior to jury instructions.
The statute they charged him under covers handguns, SBRs, and SBSs, not rifles. One would think that someone would have noticed that it was not applicable to the weapon he was carrying at some time prior to the end stage of the trial.
That would require more thought than "Evil black assault rifle bad, white kid racist, must punish"...
Far too much mental effort for the libtards.
RblDiver
11-15-2021, 14:15
So, the prosecutor just aimed a gun at jurors with his finger on the trigger.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/15/omg-apparently-rittenhouse-trial-ada-thomas-binger-attended-the-alec-baldwin-school-of-firearm-safety-and-usage-photos/
.455_Hunter
11-15-2021, 14:36
So, the prosecutor just aimed a gun at jurors with his finger on the trigger.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/15/omg-apparently-rittenhouse-trial-ada-thomas-binger-attended-the-alec-baldwin-school-of-firearm-safety-and-usage-photos/
I would like to say that I am shocked, but that response has dulled due to excessive use.
My suspicion is that Binger has probably never fired a real weapon, and definitely doesn't own any.
hollohas
11-15-2021, 15:27
That's crazy. Yikes! There is no visible indication that gun is safe. Bolt closed. No chamber flag. Finger on the trigger.
Wow.
88374
Why is there not a chamber flag zip tied to that damn thing? The defense had his finger on the trigger as well, although he didn't flag the crowd with it.
Scanker19
11-15-2021, 15:36
He went to the Alex Baldwin school of firearm handling.
I don't know what you're all upset about. It's not like anything could've happened. After all, the court hired a 24 year old armorer/gun whisperer who said they haven't been touched by anyone since she last checked them 10 minudays ago.
Vic Tory
11-15-2021, 16:08
If someone points a gun at me -- I'm not waiting to see if his finger is on the trigger or not -- he's a threat. I'll stop him however I can.
:mad:
Even more than last week … I am convinced Prosecutor, Binger, is an imbecile. If even a dummy like this can pass the Bar, what does that say about other attorneys?
colorider
11-15-2021, 16:49
I find it astonishing that Binger does not think bodily harm can be done by a beating, kicking, stomping on KR'S head, or a skateboard. Or a Glock for that matter. The defense ending with the videos was a great move. What a circus this trial has been.
Vic Tory
11-15-2021, 16:56
Boom!
I recorded this, so I'm over 2 hours behind "live". Binger seems to believe only a weapon can make someone a "threat".
Binger is a threat ... to the 2nd Amendment.
I find it astonishing that Binger does not think bodily harm can be done by a beating, kicking, stomping on KR'S head, or a skateboard. Or a Glock for that matter. The defense ending with the videos was a great move. What a circus this trial has been.
Both prosceutors are disgraceful tools. I can't even begin to touch on all the asshattery of ther case and arguments. But some of the classics include:
- All the pedo manlet wanted was to get into was a street fight . . . and you have to just go mano a mano if that happens because there's nothing dangerous about a convicted felon trying to beat you
- A Glock pointed at your melon is not as dangerous as an AR-15 in general . . . because "assault rifle".
- Kicking someone in the head and hitting them with a skateboard are not dangerous
- If you carry a weapon, you are automatically eligible for a murder conviction, because why else would you carry a weapon other than you intend to use it to kill someone at some point?
https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/256881632_2475534865913869_7155907611569433440_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=tMFOS0DCdakAX_olZrD&_nc_ht=scontent.fapa1-1.fna&oh=5c5df5e79665538abe01e3f9a89b383f&oe=6198EB84
I watched a little of the prosecution rebuttle.
Fat ADA said (paraphrased) "we all get into fight and have to accept a beat down occasionally"
If only fat ADA took his own advice. I bet these DAs wouldnt accept a beat down if it were happening to them.
ChickNorris
11-16-2021, 10:06
88374
You can't fix stupid
You can't fix stupid
Not true..
It seems Kyle fixed stupid twice...
Maybe even a third time with Mr Spaghetti Arm.
Bailey Guns
11-16-2021, 12:44
You can't fix stupid
You can. It's just generally not legal. And even when it is legal you'll apparently be charged with murder.
How long has it been since juror start discussing about the verdict? Should not have taken long.
How long has it been since juror start discussing about the verdict? Should not have taken long.
Wouldn't guarantee that... All you need is one juror that demands they be held guilty cause racism *pouty face* and it could take quite a long time to avoid a hung jury, all so TV's "C.S.I. New Idiot" can prosecute a second trial.
I watched a little of the prosecution rebuttle.
Fat ADA said (paraphrased) "we all get into fight and have to accept a beat down occasionally"
If only fat ADA took his own advice. I bet these DAs wouldnt accept a beat down if it were happening to them.
Yep. Said Kyle took a gun to a fist fight. Seemed to me, an unstable whacko took a fist to a gun fight.
hollohas
11-16-2021, 14:36
I don't understand the racism spotlight on this case by the MSM. People saying this verdict it going to be hard in black people. Why? How does this affect black people?
You can. It's just generally not legal. And even when it is legal you'll apparently be charged with murder.
^This. It's definitely frowned upon, but it works.
I don't understand the racism spotlight on this case by the MSM. People saying this verdict it going to be hard in black people. Why? How does this affect black people?
White guy that used the N-word got himself killed. No black people shot in the altercations. The only problem is the false narratives pushed by the MSM/Democrats (same thing).
newracer
11-16-2021, 14:46
I don't understand the racism spotlight on this case by the MSM. People saying this verdict it going to be hard in black people. Why? How does this affect black people?
The people he shot were supposedly all supporting BLM, since he shot them he must be racist and anti BLM.
Wouldn't guarantee that... All you need is one juror that demands they be held guilty cause racism *pouty face* and it could take quite a long time to avoid a hung jury, all so TV's "C.S.I. New Idiot" can prosecute a second trial.
Very possible. I was thinking it will only take about 4 hours. We will see how long actually take.
seems like media is now start to cover Aubery case more on all mainstream media live stream.
I don't understand the racism spotlight on this case by the MSM. People saying this verdict it going to be hard in black people. Why? How does this affect black people?
It probably affect black rifle.
I just hope that Kenosha doesn't pull no MSRs inside city limit bull sh1t.
The people he shot were supposedly all supporting BLM, since he shot them he must be racist and anti BLM.
Way out there alternative theory...
Kyle didnt like getting hit in the head with a skateboard and felt threatened?
Kyle felt threatened when glock pointed at him?
Chasing Kylee into a corner after threatening to kill him and then trying to grab his rifle made Kyle fearful for his life?
How many people did Kyle shoot that didnt first attack him?
buffalobo
11-16-2021, 15:30
I don't understand the racism spotlight on this case by the MSM. People saying this verdict it going to be hard in black people. Why? How does this affect black people? Leftist media has falsely portrayed KR as racist, white supremacist murderer, never mentioning that all of his "altercations" were with white people and the useful idiots don't do any research on their own and therefore believe he shot/killed black people.
Zundfolge
11-16-2021, 15:42
Leftist media has falsely portrayed KR as racist, white supremacist murderer, never mentioning that all of his "altercations" were with white people and the useful idiots don't do any research on their own and therefore believe he shot/killed black people.
At this point its clear that they're literally lying to incite riots. Most MSM "journalists" should be thrown in prison, if not put up against the wall.
Racism (from media standpoint) sells media coverage. Coverage equates to more viewer. That will eventually lead to more commercial time. Of course some anti-racism media coverage also makes $$$ off of people who are denying racism too.
Sadly big corporates are making money (DIS and other major companies running commercials) off of riot, cases, and potential riots.
Sounds like winner is a huge liberal-regulation loving big established corporation. Losers are middle-class people.
newracer
11-16-2021, 17:00
After the first few days of the trial I saw many Tweets stating that based on previous media coverage they thought he shot black people. They were surprised to see the truth.
Rumor is that 2 jurors are holding out, citing potential unrest
Rumor is that 2 jurors are holding out, citing potential unrest
How did this info get out?
Holding out, citing potential unrest = we want to find him guilty so there aren't riots ??
Rumor is that 2 jurors are holding out, citing potential unrest
If a judge knows this, and after the DAs antics, then he should dismiss with prejudice.
OctopusHighball
11-16-2021, 18:30
If a judge knows this, and after the DAs antics, then he should dismiss with prejudice.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460735255342690311
I'm surprised they are going into the second day. If this isn't self defense then I don't know what is....
BPTactical
11-16-2021, 18:41
The very right of self defense is on trial.
The AR and weapons of its type are on trial as well.
I’m gonna guess they have a verdict, they will wait until daylight to announce it though.
hollohas
11-16-2021, 20:08
I've been hearing pundits all day saying the jury won't announce late in the day today because riots are worse at night.
And it's going to be rainy and cold there starting tomorrow. Also a good riot deterrent.
BPTactical
11-16-2021, 20:13
And now you know why I said they would not announce the verdict until tomorrow.
theGinsue
11-16-2021, 21:14
You can't fix stupid
Not true..
It seems Kyle fixed stupid twice...
Maybe even a third time with Mr Spaghetti Arm.
You can. It's just generally not legal. And even when it is legal you'll apparently be charged with murder.
In the case of "Mr. Spaghetti Arm" (Gaige Grosskreutz), he'll now have to do his wife beating with his left hand.
theGinsue
11-16-2021, 21:31
I don't understand the racism spotlight on this case by the MSM. People saying this verdict it going to be hard in black people. Why? How does this affect black people?
The people he shot were supposedly all supporting BLM, since he shot them he must be racist and anti BLM.
Leftist media has falsely portrayed KR as racist, white supremacist murderer, never mentioning that all of his "altercations" were with white people and the useful idiots don't do any research on their own and therefore believe he shot/killed black people.
According to today's MSM, everything is based on racism today. If Kyle is acquitted due to self defense, the MSM will spin this as more "white privilege" (Everyone will easily forget that O.J. Simpson, who you may recall is a black man, got an acquittal for 2 murders that everyone knows he committed).
Rumor is that 2 jurors are holding out, citing potential unrest
How did this info get out?
Holding out, citing potential unrest = we want to find him guilty so there aren't riots ??
What I suspect is, if there is anything less than a full conviction on all charges, the Left will incite riots and Kenosha is going to burn; again. Period! The Left thrives on total chaos.
If a judge knows this, and after the DAs antics, then he should dismiss with prejudice.
This is precisely as is should be, if there is any truth to there being hold-outs on acquitting Kyle Rittenhouse due to the potential for riots. If this is true, these hold outs are preventing Rittenhouse from receiving a fair trial.
The very right of self defense is on trial.
The AR and weapons of its type are on trial as well.
100% true statement.
I?m gonna guess they have a verdict, they will wait until daylight to announce it though.
Agreed. Plus, by announcing the verdict tomorrow morning it gives the National Guard and others more time to prepare to handle what is to come.
Now, it comes out that the prosecution provided a compressed, lower quality version of the "drone video" to the defense instead of the same file.
wctriumph
11-16-2021, 23:42
Fuckers! Anything to get a conviction including lying and threats. Fuck the “elite” class. If they continue to get their way you are a cop or you are little people, no matter your skin color …
OtterbatHellcat
11-17-2021, 03:35
The people he shot were supposedly all supporting BLM, since he shot them he must be racist and anti BLM.
From a witnesses called to the trial, one independent "reporter" testified that particular crowd was antifa, not blm.
Anyone who associates with any of those crowds is a piece of shit in my mind either way.
BPTactical
11-17-2021, 08:33
Now, it comes out that the prosecution provided a compressed, lower quality version of the "drone video" to the defense instead of the same file.
If true aside from the prosecutorial fuckery we have seen so far this would be gross misconduct by the prosecution.
Clear grounds for mistrial with prejudice.
One of the radio talking heads made the statement that they felt the prosecution was purposely trying to throw the case to a point of the judge stepping in and declaring mistrial.
That way the prosecution could make the claim it is the judges fault rather than losing to the jury.
If true aside from the prosecutorial fuckery we have seen so far this would be gross misconduct by the prosecution.
Clear grounds for mistrial with prejudice.
One of the radio talking heads made the statement that they felt the prosecution was purposely trying to throw the case to a point of the judge stepping in and declaring mistrial.
That way the prosecution could make the claim it is the judges fault rather than losing to the jury.
It is pointed out in the motion for mistrial
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/11/17/rittenhouse-motion-for-mistrial/
According to the motion, the full size of the defense video is 3.6 MB and the state’s is 11.2 MB. The dimensions on the defense video are 480 X 212, and the state’s is 1920 X 844.
Sounds like prosecutorial fuckery to me
Bailey Guns
11-17-2021, 09:08
88397
In the case of "Mr. Spaghetti Arm" (Gaige Grosskreutz), he'll now have to do his wife beating with his left hand.
If he doesnt get his $10M settlement, he be will such a catch that he may be doing something else with his left hand too....
BPTactical
11-17-2021, 10:09
One could argue that GG is a subject matter expert on being disarmed at gunpoint…….
Martinjmpr
11-17-2021, 11:50
One could argue that GG is a subject matter expert on being disarmed at gunpoint…….
Did he lose his right to "bare arms?" :D
crashdown
11-17-2021, 12:46
Buddy of mine has a coworker closely following the trial today.
She is wearing a BLM face mask, and wants to see what happens to a known white supremacist who shot an unarmed medic dead while he was administering first aid.
I think she might also believe the medic shot dead was black, but not sure if he mentioned that.
She is angry, vocal, and probably a good representation of what many believe is going on.
Our media/government is wonderful.
colorider
11-17-2021, 12:58
Media and government are purposely putting out what they are in order to cause disruption in Kanosha. They thrive on the chaos.
State blames video compression on defense's cell phone.
Defense tells judge that she never opened it on her phone, ONLY the evidentiary laptop.
File size differs quite a bit.
AND THE ICING ON THE CAKE
filename does not match.
State claims that the compression and filename changed due to some shit during download.
Vic Tory
11-17-2021, 13:45
From a witnesses called to the trial, one independent "reporter" testified that particular crowd was antifa, not blm.A distinction without a difference, if you ask me.
88397
This is excellent!
I watched more Fox News last night than I have in the last six years combined. (I watched about 10 minutes of Tucker.) He said Kenosha is a predominantly Hispanic town.
I checked on City-Data's website. Kenosha is 66% White, 19% Hispanic.
Reading about defense wanting mistrial because of drone video quality.
"Regardless, the defense said that they have spoken with Rittenhouse and will be asking for a mistrial because they would have approached the trial differently if they had the higher-quality video."
Having not watched the trial, what is so critical about the drone video?
A different question. Can the judge wait for a verdict before declaring a mistrial?
As an example, the judge see "not guilty" and then just lets it stand and its over [well it never really over] but if he see a "guilty" can he say the prosecution was out of line and declare a mistrial? Or does he have to declare a mistrial before a verdict?
Prosecution says that the drone footage shows Kyle raising a gun toward someone before the pursuit starts. The defense has a right to view any evidence before it is presented.
DA says Kyle is holding the AR in a left handed fashion in the image. I don't see it at all. The position of the sling and all would make such things very unlikely.
crashdown
11-17-2021, 20:04
God forbid they had a weapons expert in the courtroom. The whole left hand right hand AR debate, and then the DA saying “no guns are handed”, both sides showed their lack of basic understanding of what is the most pivotal piece of evidence now.
Reading about defense wanting mistrial because of drone video quality.
"Regardless, the defense said that they have spoken with Rittenhouse and will be asking for a mistrial because they would have approached the trial differently if they had the higher-quality video."
Having not watched the trial, what is so critical about the drone video?
A different question. Can the judge wait for a verdict before declaring a mistrial?
As an example, the judge see "not guilty" and then just lets it stand and its over [well it never really over] but if he see a "guilty" can he say the prosecution was out of line and declare a mistrial? Or does he have to declare a mistrial before a verdict?
Remember something stated earlier in the thread...
A judge can overturn any verdict of a jury, with the ONLY exception being one of innocence (the Judge cannot overturn that and order the defendant guilty)
A judge doesn't even have to well justify it. Being the judge's cousin is good enough. (some tongue and cheekiness on this point)
So to answer your question: Absolutely, the judge can wait until a jury verdict- and they do - and then they'll make the verdict whatever the fuck they want either by mistrial or by directed verdict. The only power a jury really has is to find someone innocent, and even then it rarely occurs unless the judge desires that outcome. If a judge is not vested in the outcome of a case (which is common) then they won't care either way, but a vested judge will absolutely get the verdict they want to get.
PS, I remember who said that [Coffee]
So to answer your question: Absolutely, the judge can wait until a jury verdict- and they do - and then they'll make the verdict whatever the fuck they want either by mistrial or by directed verdict. The only power a jury really has is to find someone innocent, and even then it rarely occurs unless the judge desires that outcome. If a judge is not vested in the outcome of a case (which is common) then they won't care either way, but a vested judge will absolutely get the verdict they want to get.
PS, I remember who said that [Coffee]
That is scary as hell...
IIRC you are an attorney and so have 1st hand experience with this?
If he doesnt get his $10M settlement, he be will such a catch that he may be doing something else with his left hand too....
His civil suit is toast. He admitted under oath that he withheld the information in the complaint that he was armed with a handgun when he was shot. He also testified that he wasn't shot until he pointed the gun at Kyle.
State blames video compression on defense's cell phone.
Defense tells judge that she never opened it on her phone, ONLY the evidentiary laptop.
File size differs quite a bit.
AND THE ICING ON THE CAKE
filename does not match.
State claims that the compression and filename changed due to some shit during download.
Prosecutor Krauss says it was an accident and he doesn't know how to change a file. There are images of his laptop as he was opening files for presentation that showed he had Handbrake installed on the system and the file dates for what was received and what was passed to the defense don't match.
These prosecutors are corrupt as hell and know how to manipulate this judge.
Prosecutor Krauss says it was an accident and he doesn't know how to change a file. There are images of his laptop as he was opening files for presentation that showed he had Handbrake installed on the system and the file dates for what was received and what was passed to the defense don't match.
These prosecutors are corrupt as hell and know how to manipulate this judge.
Saw that. Handbrake isn't something that noobs are going to have on their desktop
I Kyles lawyers watching reddit / twitter / etc so this evidence of manipulation can be presented to the judge
It is public information since it was on live broadcasts.
I guess another question in my mind, if the judge is going to dismiss with prejudice (which he should), why is he making Kyle suffer waiting on a verdict? Can't imagine the stress that kid has.
eddiememphis
11-18-2021, 12:50
The judge in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse banned MSNBC staff from the Kenosha courthouse following a police report that one of their journalists attempted to follow a bus transporting jury members.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/rittenhouse-trial-judge-bans-msnbc-court-investigating-man-caught-following-jury-bus/
?I have instructed that no one from MSNBC news will be permitted in this building for the duration of this trial,? Schroeder added. ?It would go without thinking that someone who is following a jury bus?that?s an extremely serious matter, and will be referred to the proper authorities for further action.?
Vic Tory
11-18-2021, 13:41
I guess another question in my mind, if the judge is going to dismiss with prejudice (which he should), why is he making Kyle suffer waiting on a verdict? Can't imagine the stress that kid has.
+1, here.
Great-Kazoo
11-18-2021, 14:04
+1, here.
Possibly to show he's unbiased. After the crap about letting Kyle pick the jurors, saluted a veteran, blah, blah, blah.
OH yeah He's White!
That is scary as hell...
IIRC you are an attorney and so have 1st hand experience with this?
Not an attorney, I don't personally represent people. Senior paralegal, complex litigation, these days mostly fed/bankruptcy/tax/appeals. But yes, lots of 1st hand experience going back many years.
Rittenhouse Judge Bans MSNBC From Trial After Man Claiming To Be Employee Tails Jury Bus
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-rittenhouse-judge-bans-msnbc-from-trial-after-man-claiming-to-be-employee-tails-jury-bus
theGinsue
11-18-2021, 18:28
I'm trying to figure out what is taking this jury so long to reach a verdict. Even after watching the trial, it seemed pretty obvious to me that this was all covered by self-defense rights. The fact that the jury is taking so long doesn't agree with my perception and likely doesn't bode well for Kyle Rittenhouse.
crashdown
11-18-2021, 18:48
I think the time they are taking is proof they came into this with preconceived ideas of how this should go.
They saw and heard the exact same thing, so the only thing slowing them down has to do with some personal bias or they would unanimously come to a conclusion under the law and judges orders.
I was a foreman in a week long case slightly less complex, and in with people from Boulder (enough said), and we were done in around an hour.
Im going to add to this in my COVID fog. I watched with a preconceived idea of how this should go, so maybe I just called the kettle black.
Looks like they are trying to have a Friday Night Verdict Riot.
Vic Tory
11-18-2021, 19:45
Trump's attorney, Jenna Ellis, doesn't see the delay as any problem. She says it's not unusual for a jury foreman in a complicated case to be this thorough. (Especially when there's so much technical information (videos) to review.)
At least this is what Dan Bongino stated on his podcast today....
Like I've said, out of 12, if even a couple are woke shitheads that "want to see the racist pay hell or high water" all the rest of them either have to wait it out until they are in agreement or they'll have a hung jury and we'll all be commenting about this again in a year and a half.
I wouldn't be surprised if deliberations take two weeks before they finally admit to being hung. Welcome to woke justice.
hollohas
11-18-2021, 20:58
Some rumors floating around that some jurors possibly wanting to convict because they fear their own safety if the verdict is not guilty.
Rooskibar03
11-18-2021, 20:58
If he’s not acquitted it makes a strong case that the days of an impartial jury of your peers may be in the rear view mirror.
Even my prosecutor wife is concerned why it’s taking so long.
May be jury selection for defendant's side should consider small business owners as a factor.
BlasterBob
11-18-2021, 21:28
Today as we were leaving to run an errand, I picked up my EDC as usual but put it back in the cabinet. After watching this trial and seeing how difficult it ?could? be to prove the threat which would be cause for self defense, I had second thoughts of being armed. At age 85, (coming up next month,) if I were hauled in, the only defense I could afford would be a jailhouse (shit house) lawyer. [Sarcasm2]
At 85, the last thing I?d be afraid of is free housing, free meals, and free healthcare for the remainder of my life.
Besides, if your life is in such jeopardy that you are forced to take a life then being alive and tied up with legal stuff still sounds preferable to pushing up daisies.
Hell you could bond out and by the time they got to a trial they'd probably be calling a headstone to the stand. (pardon my dark humor, but it can take many years....)
At 85, pack the gun. Make sure you get the first perp, the second one, the third and forth one, their driver, and their daddy that walked out on them at age 4 too. You'd have so many donations that your family would be set for a few lifes.
Great-Kazoo
11-18-2021, 22:45
Today as we were leaving to run an errand, I picked up my EDC as usual but put it back in the cabinet. After watching this trial and seeing how difficult it ?could? be to prove the threat which would be cause for self defense, I had second thoughts of being armed. At age 85, (coming up next month,) if I were hauled in, the only defense I could afford would be a jailhouse (shit house) lawyer. [Sarcasm2]
Seniors are a HVT for predators. Well at least some are. As compared to the average middle age person. Rack it and pack it, your family deserves it.
I carry anytime i'm out n about. Except when going to the VA. That NO WEAPONS policy sucks. So does the federal time, IF they get you.
DISCLAINER: this does not apply to people of all ages. Who have their eyes buried on the phone. Or whatever the latest fashion is.
colorider
11-18-2021, 23:43
If he?s not acquitted it makes a strong case that the days of an impartial jury of your peers may be in the rear view mirror.
Even my prosecutor wife is concerned why it?s taking so long.
The O.J Simpson jury took less than 4 hours for their decision. This trial is an absolute disaster. From the prosecution violating constitutional law to the jury being intimidated by the press fallowing the bus, to the protestors being allowed right outside the courthouse, etc....... It's a shit show. What Rooskibar has stated, the time taken to come up with a verdict has taken too long based on what we have seen in the evidence and what the jury has seen. It was on T.V. The statements from all have been seen and heard from all of us. Either for or against, I feel it's pretty clear what the verdict should be. Even my father, uncle and a very close friend watched the complete trial. Only because after the first hour of of court I called them and said "Ya gotta watch this!!!!!!". They all agree that the evidence presented along with the witness statements show self defense. Oh, and I know Rooskibar003's wife. She is one smart and badass and well educated lawyer.
Vic Tory
11-18-2021, 23:46
Today as we were leaving to run an errand, I picked up my EDC as usual but put it back in the cabinet. After watching this trial and seeing how difficult it ?could? be to prove the threat which would be cause for self defense, I had second thoughts of being armed.Your profile says you're in Illinois. That would figure in my decision-making.
Fortunately, I am in Colorado, where the gun culture is still strong. It is different here than in Illinois.
And I don't just go to the range and take all these classes for "fun"....
Be safe, BlasterBob!
BlasterBob
11-19-2021, 10:06
I carry anytime i'm out n about. Except when going to the VA. That NO WEAPONS policy sucks
I have always carried my Spyderco “Worker” model in the VA Hospital on my MANY MANY visits. I asked one of the Federal Police/Guards at the Albuquerque VA Hospital facility about carrying the knife and was told OKay if blade does not exceed 3-inches. For six years I drove the DAV van hauling disabled Vets from Raton down to the Albq. VA hospital. If I had ever been in an accident carrying those guys and their seat belt wouldn’t release, I had wanted a sharp knife to quickly cut their seat belts.
Sorry for drifting off the Rittenhouse trial thread.
BlasterBob
11-19-2021, 10:12
Your profile says you're in Illinois. That would figure in my decision-making.
Fortunately, I am in Colorado, where the gun culture is still strong. It is different here than in Illinois.
And I don't just go to the range and take all these classes for "fun"....
Be safe, BlasterBob!
With Illinois being almost a total Democrat run State, I believe we’d have a poor chance of proving self defense. Stay safe Vic Tory.
BushMasterBoy
11-19-2021, 10:21
UFOID? LOL
At this point I think it's safe to say that the jury decision is stalemated because of SJWs and/or jurors fearing for their safety. All the time in the world isn't going to change those people's minds.
O2
I'd describe it as a siege, each side is holding out trying to beat the other side into submission on their ideals at cost of their personal time.
So the question is, how much patience does the foreman have before the desire to strangle the one or two jurors becomes so overwhelming that we have cascading numbers of additional murder trials?
BPTactical
11-19-2021, 12:15
NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!
KYLE IS A FREE MAN!
NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!
KYLE IS A FREE MAN!
A good jury.
I have some faith again.
newracer
11-19-2021, 12:18
A good jury.
I have some faith again.
My thoughts exactly. I was sure it would he a hung jury or guilty.
He should've grabbed his fucking AR on the way out, and demanded his RDO
Any over under when riots start?
hollohas
11-19-2021, 12:22
Wow!!!!
Great news.
Weekend plus holiday week? Plenty of time to riot.
I really, really want him to sue Biden for slander.
O2
Rooskibar03
11-19-2021, 12:27
Not Guilty Bitches!
Do I have to wait till dark to riot? I need me some new kicks. [Sarcasm2]
My thoughts exactly. I was sure it would he a hung jury or guilty.
I don't think it would be guilty but was pretty sure it would wind up hung jury because of threats and threats of riots.
.455_Hunter
11-19-2021, 12:33
I suspect the jury foreman was a highly detailed and process oriented person. Coming to a "quick" verdict, while seeming a good move by the highly biased individuals on both sides watching this trial from a far, was not in the cards for a case of this seriousness and complexity.
Now we need the DA to really do his job and file charges against Grosskreutz to make sure he can't sue Kyle.
O2
MAGA hat kid got $250 million from the MSM for defamation. Kyle should be able to easily double that with all of the mischaracterizations the MSM pushed about him.
eddiememphis
11-19-2021, 12:52
Any over under when riots start?
Sunset is 4:26 pm. Weather is cool and cloudy, 41 and breezy.
They should start a bit after 7 pm, peak about 9:30 and be quelled by 11.
buffalobo
11-19-2021, 13:17
I really, really want him to sue Biden for slander.
O2
MAGA hat kid got $250 million from the MSM for defamation. Kyle should be able to easily double that with all of the mischaracterizations the MSM pushed about him.^This. Time to get paid for the malicious statements against him.
Riot tonight!!!
this.
damn. as a near victim of LA riot, it is scary. :)
Good day for self defense advocates and civil rights.
Potential riot day for store owners.
Martinjmpr
11-19-2021, 13:19
this.
damn. as a near victim of LA riot, it is scary. :)
Good day for self defense advocates and civil rights.
Potential riot day for store owners.
Who is going to riot? The guys he shot were white.
Who is going to riot? The guys he shot were white.
exactly. he racist according to potential rioters.
:(
Who is going to riot? The guys he shot were white.
One of whom was using the N-word in video evidence.
Singlestack
11-19-2021, 13:31
Maybe Kyle should go out and defend another car dealership tonite? What are the odds on another Kenosha hat trick?[panic] (No, not serious).
Obviously most people and our institutions would have a major problem with that and even if the facts were the same as this case I couldn't see him prevailing.
Good on Kyle.
kidicarus13
11-19-2021, 13:32
Who is going to riot? The guys he shot were white.Those who supported the original rioters. When you don't get the verdict you want, it's time to BURN THIS MFer DOWN!
In other news, hopefully the verdict will land Kyle some riches and/or jobs...
https://news.yahoo.com/matt-gaetz-said-office-open-040843516.html
The only thing that Kyle was guilty of was being young and naive. His heart was in the right place.
https://youtu.be/kKj4L6GwL5Y
3beansalad
11-19-2021, 13:45
Today, good triumphed over evil. And the US justice system worked as designed (even with the jury intimidation and prosecutorial misconduct.)
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The twitterverse is on fire...
BPTactical
11-19-2021, 13:52
The twitterverse is on fire...
Let it burn.....
Many of them have been hoping he would be found innocent so they could do some early Black Friday "shopping". Christmas is coming, after all, and nothin fixes racial injustice of a white guy shooting white guys better than rioting and looting dem' minority owned businesses.
BushMasterBoy
11-19-2021, 14:13
NG for NG?
.455_Hunter
11-19-2021, 14:33
So, Colorado folks- Do you think we will see any disruptions/protests/riots in downtown Denver (or other local areas) tonight and/or this weekend?
Singlestack
11-19-2021, 14:48
So, Colorado folks- Do you think we will see any disruptions/protests/riots in downtown Denver (or other local areas) tonight and/or this weekend?
What else to scumbag criminal aholes have to do on a Friday night? C'mon man!
hollohas
11-19-2021, 14:50
Maybe the riots won't be that bad since they won't be getting funded by commie leaders like they were the last couple years.
Vic Tory
11-19-2021, 15:12
MAGA hat kid got $250 million from the MSM for defamation. Kyle should be able to easily double that with all of the mischaracterizations the MSM pushed about him.And Nick Sandmann already reached out to Kyle two days ago. He offered to ... help him.
Good! The Networks, the Anchors, the reporters, Biden and other public officials should ALL BE SUED for so much it bankrupts them. I'm sick of the Lefties getting away with this garbage!
So, Colorado folks- Do you think we will see any disruptions/protests/riots in downtown Denver (or other local areas) tonight and/or this weekend?Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me. (Don't put yourself in the middle of stupid situations. Avoid downtown Denver (or Boulder) tonight.
Maybe the riots won't be that bad since they won't be getting funded by commie leaders like they were the last couple years.Don't bet on it. I would expect Soros to triple- and quadruple-down on his Alinsky tactics. The only way the Lefties stop is if the Sandmanns and Rittenhouses of the world make their idiotic maneuvers super painful ... financially.
gnihcraes
11-19-2021, 15:18
Just got notice of potential protest at capital and we're told to head out early. No specific threats though.
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Martinjmpr
11-19-2021, 15:23
So, Colorado folks- Do you think we will see any disruptions/protests/riots in downtown Denver (or other local areas) tonight and/or this weekend?
Protests? Maybe. Riots? Doubt it.
No assembly/protest/riots reported as of now in Colorado.
https://www.9news.com/
https://kdvr.com/
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/
https://denver.cbslocal.com/
88415
not my image, just copy & paste
Bailey Guns
11-19-2021, 16:13
I thought it was really funny. But it wasn't murder. It was career suicide.
88414
colorider
11-19-2021, 16:19
I'm getting the giggles reading and watching all of the Hollywood dipshits, athletes and other "celebrity" dumbasses comment about how butt hurt they are over the verdict. What really makes me laugh is that they think people really care about what they think. The mega loser Kaepernick has a doosey of a comment. "Rittenhouse is a white supremacist, Abolish the system". LOL LOL. Every time that failure opens his mouth he proves even more how stupid he is.
since rittenhouse case come to a close,someone make Arbery case thread.
eddiememphis
11-19-2021, 16:33
So, Colorado folks- Do you think we will see any disruptions/protests/riots in downtown Denver (or other local areas) tonight and/or this weekend?
Unlikely. There is no racial component.
This was a much bigger deal to 2nd amendment watchers than to the race hustlers and their thugs.
If the Arbery trial ends in anything but a conviction of the rednecks, then we may see a disturbance.
So, Colorado folks- Do you think we will see any disruptions/protests/riots in downtown Denver (or other local areas) tonight and/or this weekend?
I’m heading to downtown Denver tonight. Kinda worried and there is no CCW.
BushMasterBoy
11-19-2021, 16:50
CS OC
BPTactical
11-19-2021, 16:56
Cant think of a better day for ol' Brandon to have a camera shoved up his ass....
Vic Tory
11-19-2021, 17:03
Sean Davis was a guest on Bongino's radio show. His commentary on the Rittenhouse case -- and the brief history in Kenosha -- was spot-on, IMO. My summary....
Gov. Evers (D) declined President Trump's offer of troops to keep the peace after the LEOs were not found guilty for defending THEMSELVES against Jacob Blake. (Which the Lefties used as their excuse for rioting in Kenosha last January.)
Now ... Trump isn't in office. So Evers has called-out the National Guard to keep peace after Kyle's not guilty verdict. Now it's Biden in the Oval Office; Evers cannot use the unrest -- if it happens tonight -- to smear Trump. (If Evers had deployed the Guard last January, this Kangaroo Court wouldn't have beed needed.)
Now it's all on Evers.
Unlikely. There is no racial component.
This was a much bigger deal to 2nd amendment watchers than to the race hustlers and their thugs.
If the Arbery trial ends in anything but a conviction of the rednecks, then we may see a disturbance.
From what I have seen on in the Arbery case/video I think those guys are guilty. But I readIly admit I haven’t seen all the evidence in the trial. But I highly suspect they will be found guilty.
.455_Hunter
11-19-2021, 17:27
I?m heading to downtown Denver tonight. Kinda worried and there is no CCW.
Why no CCW? Are you going into one of the metal detected venues?
Maybe the riots won't be that bad since they won't be getting funded by commie leaders like they were the last couple years.
Sez you.
I thought it was really funny. But it wasn't murder. It was career suicide.
88414
Nah, that was all on the worst example of "prosecutor".
JohnnyDrama
11-19-2021, 19:16
https://youtu.be/kKj4L6GwL5Y
LOL!
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