View Full Version : Form 4's going to e-file
BootScootin
12-03-2021, 15:22
Looks like it's actually gonna happen. Silencer Shop says sometime between Dec 15 - Dec 28
https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/eforms-update-atf-eforms-launch-imminent
It's a good thing my paper 4 has been in flight for just over a month. :(
BootScootin
12-03-2021, 15:31
I'm in the same boat, I'm at 2 months.
And pulling the paper forms to switch to eform, atf said they will add 1 year to the wait time.
I'm sure it will be overloaded for a while anyway, but after it cools down, could be very bad for my wallet
electronman1729
12-03-2021, 22:53
88568
BootScootin
12-03-2021, 23:00
Omg [ROFL1]
They are early for an 01 April announcement like this.
electronman1729
12-04-2021, 11:24
88572
Just cause it is online doesnt mean it will go faster......................... They just used 50 ATF peeps to review the comments left for the proposed ghost gun rule changes...... all 300,000+ of them. Probably the same ATF people that was supposed to work on all our Form 4 paperwork.
When it goes to gov process I have no faith to get excited about "speed" of process.
LOVE this Comment in bold below;
If your application has already been mailed to the ATF, then stay the course. ATF has stated that any withdrawals of pending paper applications will result in a one-year delay.
Just dropped a Form 1 today for a suppressor. They have been coming back inside of a month. I've got a Sandman Ti 30-cal in NFA jail right now. Been sitting there for 6-months so far. Filed as an individual so I'm curious to see if it comes back any faster. I don't have my hopes up.
Just dropped a Form 1 today for a suppressor. They have been coming back inside of a month. I've got a Sandman Ti 30-cal in NFA jail right now. Been sitting there for 6-months so far. Filed as an individual so I'm curious to see if it comes back any faster. I don't have my hopes up.
I am hoping that with eFile Form 4s now, the amount of paper Form 4 submittals will diminish rapidly over the next 6 months and the eFile will have less time with agents so they can concentrate on getting the stack of Form 4 cycled through faster than normal. ............what is normal for them, it fluctuated so rapidly over the last couple years, but in the last couple years the sales of silencers has increased a lot.
I am hoping that with eFile Form 4s now, the amount of paper Form 4 submittals will diminish rapidly over the next 6 months and the eFile will have less time with agents so they can concentrate on getting the stack of Form 4 cycled through faster than normal. ............what is normal for them, it fluctuated so rapidly over the last couple years, but in the last couple years the sales of silencers has increased a lot.
I'd like to hope so too. I would be curious to know exactly how many ATF agents are assigned to the NFA division who specifically review and approve/deny Form 1 and Form 4 forms. I feel like it's where agents who are a couple years away from retirement go and could care less about getting shit done. I can't seriously think it's that hard to review NFA paperwork.
I'd like to hope so too. I would be curious to know exactly how many ATF agents are assigned to the NFA division who specifically review and approve/deny Form 1 and Form 4 forms. I feel like it's where agents who are a couple years away from retirement go and could care less about getting shit done. I can't seriously think it's that hard to review NFA paperwork.
What i was told was the hang up is processing the background checks. Not sure if that’s true or not.
What i was told was the hang up is processing the background checks. Not sure if that’s true or not.
I find that hard to believe. My full-time job is 911 dispatcher. I can clear someone via NCIC / CCIC in a matter of seconds. I can't imagine the ATF is using a different database than state LE agencies. Even CBI is faster than the ATF which is sad.
I find that hard to believe. My full-time job is 911 dispatcher. I can clear someone via NCIC / CCIC in a matter of seconds. I can't imagine the ATF is using a different database than state LE agencies. Even CBI is faster than the ATF which is sad.
The ATF isnt doing the checks. It is the FBI doing Federal level checks.
But, yes. It should not take as long as it does.
My understanding is the main reason they get sent to the FBI is the fingerprint check. It takes a person to handle a fingerprint check that is sent via a card. The new e-file uses digitised fingerprints so that may mean the ATF examiners would be able to the background checks. In theory that would make it so a human wouldn't have to touch the whole process most of the time.
On the other hand I just got an e-filed Form 1 back in 19 days. That kinda kills that exquse.
The ATF isnt doing the checks. It is the FBI doing Federal level checks.
But, yes. It should not take as long as it does.
.......to add to that I was reading an article where they talked with a retired FBI person who did those checks. It is on the very very veeeeery bottom list of things the FBI deams important and tends to go on long delays. The majority of the time waiting for your form 4 to come back approved is because of the background check with the FBI.
My understanding is the main reason they get sent to the FBI is the fingerprint check. It takes a person to handle a fingerprint check that is sent via a card. The new e-file uses digitised fingerprints so that may mean the ATF examiners would be able to the background checks. In theory that would make it so a human wouldn't have to touch the whole process most of the time.
On the other hand I just got an e-filed Form 1 back in 19 days. That kinda kills that exquse.
I still do not understand the how there will be a difference with Form 1 and Form 4 (3-4 months) efiling. the only difference is a manufacturer has created the serial # and registered with ATF. You would think it would be easier.
I was joking with my cousin, i have 3 paper Form 4's submitted, the last was end of Nov (which urks me if I would have known) My free SilencerCo Octane should be here in the next couple months I will eFile that one. If I get approval for that before I get my approval for my can I submitted in Sept I am going to be super annoyed.
:)
I read somewhere, I think either the ATF or Silencer Shop, that by the end of next year the e-file Form 4 times are expected to come down to match the current e-file Form 1 times.
The ATF also said that the e-file system would be transitioned and on line Tuesday morning not Thursday morning. I hope that isn't an omen.
Appears to be up
FILE, FILE, FILE!
BootScootin
12-23-2021, 14:13
Appears to be up
FILE, FILE, FILE!
I'm really tempted to buy a cheap .22 suppressor so I can see if it will be approved before the can I bought in September
AirbornePathogen
12-27-2021, 08:23
.......to add to that I was reading an article where they talked with a retired FBI person who did those checks. It is on the very very veeeeery bottom list of things the FBI deams important and tends to go on long delays. The majority of the time waiting for your form 4 to come back approved is because of the background check with the FBI.
I still do not understand the how there will be a difference with Form 1 and Form 4 (3-4 months) efiling. the only difference is a manufacturer has created the serial # and registered with ATF. You would think it would be easier.
I was joking with my cousin, i have 3 paper Form 4's submitted, the last was end of Nov (which urks me if I would have known) My free SilencerCo Octane should be here in the next couple months I will eFile that one. If I get approval for that before I get my approval for my can I submitted in Sept I am going to be super annoyed.
:)
No kidding. I bought a Saker in late Nov, got a free Warlock along with it. We'll see which one gets approved first.
This is a mini nightmare already............................
So mid November I bought a SilencerCO Hybrid 46 through Silencer Shop to take advantage of the BOGO deal. I at the time did the Form4 Paper as I thought, since I didnt hear about the new eFile form4 hitting in mid December.
I have not heard anything from Silencer Shop and they usually will update you on the process, specifically ATF cashing my 200 tax. I logged on and low and behold Silencer Shop apparently held off on submitting the paper Form 4 and changed me to eFile. That is cool as heck, except....................I had no clue as they did not tell me.
Make matters worse the status said FAILED to certify. So emailed them Friday 1/7/2022 to ask (not heard back yet) but read through the instructions again and turns out I have to an ATF eFile account. Have one but been a year, apparently I have to go update it and reset my password............................. now I guess I have to certify in person with my Dealer that the CAN will be shipped to once approved, not Silencer Shop. I talked to my dealer on the phone and they are having a whole bunch of trouble getting the certifying to work and are waiting on ATF to resolve their account on their end. So my paperwork fails to certify with ATF eForms in the meantime. Sigh..................
I guess with something new there is ALL the bugs in the system up front. As long as I get approval in 90 days that would make up for it. [Beer]
BootScootin
01-09-2022, 19:15
From this whole debacle, I've heard terrible things from silencershop customers. On the other hand, I've heard great things from capitol armory customers.
I'm holding off to see what kind of a circuis this ends up being, but I'm leaning towards going with CA when I do buy. Plus they have a location in CO and can ship directly to your door when the can is approved
electronman1729
01-10-2022, 10:27
From this whole debacle, I've heard terrible things from silencershop customers. On the other hand, I've heard great things from capitol armory customers.
I'm holding off to see what kind of a circuis this ends up being, but I'm leaning towards going with CA when I do buy. Plus they have a location in CO and can ship directly to your door when the can is approved
It seems other people on other forums are saying the exact same thing, shame.
I bought my turbo CAN from Capitol armory at the time they offered to do the Form 4 and send directly to me. I thought that was weird and never heard of that but they advertise it. I was expecting 9-10 months wait and had them ship to my local gun range so I can shoot with it while I wait.
The big issue is right now my eFile Form 4 paperwork is on hold until I can certify with my local dealer through the online eFile system which they are having issues linking my account to get certified. Anyone gone through the certify in person yet with the eFile system Form 4?
electronman1729
01-15-2022, 13:53
Read this morning on Reddit that form 4's on efile are getting approved.
BootScootin
01-15-2022, 14:41
Read this morning on Reddit that form 4's on efile are getting approved.
Dang, that's awesome! One month approvals on suppressors!
It looks like the SilencerShop efile system for form 4s is 100% good to go.
It looks like the SilencerShop efile system for form 4s is 100% good to go.
Well, it is up to say the least, :Cool:
Twice my efile showed error "failed to upload." I emailed Silencer shop and they responded with something about learning how many in a batch they can upload at one time to the eFile system and that I should see the email to certify in person (for individuals, not trusts) with my local dealer by 1/15. Way past that now.............
The category has been in "ready to certify" for the last 2 weeks. looking around Reddit (finding people in the same boat) a very useful place to look BTW. That my stage is in orange, I have to wait until ATF accepts, then it will turn green and I will get the notification to certify.
There needs to be a simple flow chart created, even Silencer Shops' videos and instructions are not very "detailed." [Beer]
If the ATF system is busy, it can take a while.
I pushed a bunch through last night while everyone was driving home from work or at the bar with friends.
A trust?
The more I read the more I am confused about the orange or green categories and when the local dealer should get notice. I emailed Silencer Shop again. (will get an in answer in 3 days.)
I caught a thread of people "pissed off with Capitol Armory (CA)." Apparently prior to efile CA was touting how once approved they can send your CAN directly to your house, people loved that. With eFile people where saying now even faster, YEAH!
Apparently the rule is that for individual's you have to certify in "person" which meant this would not work. So CA is apologizing to those individual filers that they can either re-submit as a Trust or go to paper form 4, or drive to CA and certify in person. Yikes!
BootScootin
01-29-2022, 12:08
I just read about the CA mess last night, lol, gonna be a lot of denials. Sounds like SS got their problems sorted out though.
Oh well, at this point I'll just continue filing with my LGS and skipping all the online crap
electronman1729
01-29-2022, 19:59
Just got certified through Silencer Shop yesterday. Got the pending email email almost immediately. Hopefully with all the issues with CA, I will be approved much sooner.
Personally, I'm really hoping they clear the backlog of existing paper forms before they move any resources onto eFile.
...but that would be the fair thing to do, and it's the government, so I'm sure that won't happen.
O2
electronman1729
02-02-2022, 13:47
Did anyone just see the email from the ATF?
Did anyone just see the email from the ATF?
Yes.
Apparently, some folks had given their PWs to their FFL to figure it out (from what I read elsewhere)
Did anyone just see the email from the ATF?
Yup. It went out to everyone with an eforms account.
electronman1729
02-02-2022, 15:25
Yes.
Apparently, some folks had given their PWs to their FFL to figure it out (from what I read elsewhere)
The way I figured it for every inprocess form4 that gets rejected, is more slot to the top in getting approved.
Did anyone just see the email from the ATF?
Yes, very serious email. :)
.................and Silencer shop put up another video about processing, more specific about for those filing as Individuals when they would need to certify with the local dealer. So nice to know, ...... now. Just waiting now for my email notification from Silencer Shop.................... at 3 weeks later from when they said would happen.
............patience I guess, nothing new with the NFA process. [Coffee]
SO have not heard a PEEP from silencer shop since mid-January, emailed them last Thursday as to; "what the heck?" been in orange ready to certify status this entire time (since beginning of Jan). They never responded to my email but Monday got my email saying "Ready to certify with dealer" to call and schedule.
I have an appointment Friday, my dealer says they have had a heck of time with Silencer Shop's software and how they have to do it. Sucks to be individual, a trust I can do online. :(
ATF: "Don't give out your userid/password."
Also ATF: Happy Valentine's Day!
(OK, so anyone that did that to cause us to all get that stern letter needs to be kicked in the taint.)
Linkless
02-17-2022, 20:05
90 days to approve, but 200 days to get your info into the system.
90 days to approve, but 200 days to get your info into the system.
Well the verdict is out on the time for approval, ATF and Silencer Shop promotes 90 days but yet to see it. I have not found anyone on Reddit, on NFA tracker, on ARF.com that has reported eFiling Form 4 for a Silencer and having their approval back yet. The earliest submittals maybe is end of Dec?
So by end of March we will see if any has been approved. FINALLY got to certify mine, February the 18th, so I am hoping end of May. Sounds like some on here had gotten theirs certified in January so guess will keep an ear out......................... for the celebratory announcements.
[Beer]
Well the verdict is out on the time for approval
After an initial experimental run of approvals, I expect ALL the eFiles to be put behind the paper backlog that needs to be cleared first.
IMHO, Claiming 90 days is pure marketing on Silencer Shop's part.
Yhea, 90 days after the paper backlog is finished (maybe).
For example, next week is my one year anniversary of putting in for a suppressor.
So I'd expect it to be 6 - 9 months or more before the first "production" eFiles come back.
O2
After an initial experimental run of approvals, I expect ALL the eFiles to be put behind the paper backlog that needs to be cleared first.
IMHO, Claiming 90 days is pure marketing on Silencer Shop's part.
Yhea, 90 days after the paper backlog is finished (maybe).
For example, next week is my one year anniversary of putting in for a suppressor.
So I'd expect it to be 6 - 9 months or more before the first "production" eFiles come back.
O2
You may be right, like I said will see if some start showing up end of March. Even ATF advertised 90 days and going to 30 days end of 2022.
I did catch someone on Reddit who got their Efile form 4 back on 2/4/2022, but he was active duty and they apparently have an option for that and was approved.
I have seen no one else yet.
Anyone here that certified in January or early February get their approvals?
I subscribed to a couple forum threads where people are posting their approvals. Most are averaging 70-80 days.
Today marks 65 days for me, excited and crossing me fingers................ [Beer]
I kept hearing about all these people getting E-file Form 4 approvals in 70 days, 90s day, heck even 100 days. I am hearing people who certified "after" me is getting their approvals.
Today marks 127 days since I certified........................ [Rant2]
Really? A little annoyed am I.
I tried to call and got nowhere with any info other than, in process I was told. I talk to my dealer a week ago and they even said they for all they did in person for February and March still have not come back yet either. So I am not the only one I guess.
A friend is around 120 on his
A friend is around 120 on his
I get it, a new system and people starting to really pile up the submissions 90 days was a dream estimate and bound to slow down a little, but you would figure everyone would slow down yet I am seeing various types of submissions (individual - trust) who certified after I did are getting them. I will say it again, makes ZERO sense.
sportbikeco
06-25-2022, 21:47
E-file form 4 - SS
Certify end of Jan
Stamp emailed @ 110 days
I get it, a new system and people starting to really pile up the submissions 90 days was a dream estimate and bound to slow down a little, but you would figure everyone would slow down yet I am seeing various types of submissions (individual - trust) who certified after I did are getting them. I will say it again, makes ZERO sense.
.gov at work.
I don't get it either. My silly ass is sitting at 245 on a paper form that filed like a week before the mention of eforms being brought in.
Remember that the NFA branch is only there to facilitate the process, not make it easier or faster.
The examiners are doing their job as efficiently and as quickly they can.
Even frequent NFA flyers like me get the same consideration as everyone else. I am over 130 days on an efile and my past paper was 13 months.
Dont hate the players, hate the game.
Remember that the NFA branch is only there to facilitate the process, not make it easier or faster.
The examiners are doing their job as efficiently and as quickly they can.
Even frequent NFA flyers like me get the same consideration as everyone else. I am over 130 days on an efile and my past paper was 13 months.
Dont hate the players, hate the game.
Hate the government, check
I kept hearing about all these people getting E-file Form 4 approvals in 70 days, 90s day, heck even 100 days. I am hearing people who certified "after" me is getting their approvals.
Today marks 127 days since I certified........................ [Rant2]
Really? A little annoyed am I.
I tried to call and got nowhere with any info other than, in process I was told. I talk to my dealer a week ago and they even said they for all they did in person for February and March still have not come back yet either. So I am not the only one I guess.
r/NFA on reddit has an eForm4 megathread where people post their approvals and relevant info. Going off the info there there's something fucky going on with late Jan through early March submissions, very very few people in that group are getting approved.
I have one submitted 02/14 still pending, so that's 132 days as of today. I had a second one submitted 04/15 that was approved on Friday at 70 days lol.
buffalobo
06-26-2022, 18:55
Somebody probably knocked the stack of apps off the desk and now all mixed up.
r/NFA on reddit has an eForm4 megathread where people post their approvals and relevant info. Going off the info there there's something fucky going on with late Jan through early March submissions, very very few people in that group are getting approved.
I have one submitted 02/14 still pending, so that's 132 days as of today. I had a second one submitted 04/15 that was approved on Friday at 70 days lol.
Wasn't that around when all those form1 DIY cans got rejected?
r/NFA on reddit has an eForm4 megathread where people post their approvals and relevant info. Going off the info there there's something fucky going on with late Jan through early March submissions, very very few people in that group are getting approved.
I have one submitted 02/14 still pending, so that's 132 days as of today. I had a second one submitted 04/15 that was approved on Friday at 70 days lol.
I have been watching that Reddit thread. Someone posted a funny AFT eform 4 work calendar pic and the weeks are filled up for all of 2022 except of the months of February and March are blank...................
[hahhah-no]
Something odd but not out of the normal inconsistency of .gov
On ARFcom NFA thread I saw the last 3-4 posts and they were 70-90 days certifying in April.
Something weird is up for sure, though I saw a potential theme, most of the ones over 90 days like mine the prints were sent digitally, those getting fast approvals were mail in prints, but to be sure you would have to create a spreadsheet and throw in the info to really see the data trend.
Wasn't that around when all those form1 DIY cans got rejected?
Yeah but at least they were told something when denied.
For the life of me I can't figure out why they don't clear the paper forms first before starting on the efile stuff...
O2
Same guy I know with the long running eform 4 has a 52 day eform 1 out there, when others are getting theirs back in 9 days.
Wasn't that around when all those form1 DIY cans got rejected?
Yeah somewhere around that. Capitol Armory also had all their forms to date rejected in early Feb over some bullshit admin stuff the ATF neglected to tell them, so they had to be resubmitted (my 2/14 is in this group), and SilencerShop put their process info out to dealers around then too so there was a big influx from that. It's just a shitshow on all fronts lol.
Good news though, late Jan and early Feb submissions are showing up a bunch today and yesterday in that reddit thread, up through 2/9. So it looks like they might be back on track.
Has that F1 DIY can stuff gotten cleared up or is AFT still classifying mother earth as a silencer?
Dunno, I haven't heard anything on it since so either people gave up and stopped trying or they decided to let shit through
So if anyone follows the Reddit NFA thread this was posted up, cannot confirm how true it is but it makes sense on what happened to the February and March 2022 certified eForm 4's and why they have been taking longer.
"I talked to an ATF agent from my local field office on June 28th. he was surprisingly helpful and contacted the NFA branch to see what was going on with these wild approvals. This is what he said: The ATF had started out processing eform 4s by doing the background checks first. This was fine until they got overwhelmed with applications. This meant that they had run background checks for thousands of forms before they were processed. As the forms started to pile up, they were concerned that if they did a background check on a form that would not be processed for months, the background check would not be current. What they did was put all of those forms back in the stack. Now, they will do the background check with the FBI AFTER the form is processed. They explicitly said that it was not the FBIs fault. They did also say that they have just started on the February stack"
So basically they fucked up, then when they realized their fuck up they just put the Feb and March forms back in the pile, at the end of the line. That's why you are seeing April forward certifications getting approved, and virtually no Feb / April certs getting approved. They are just now getting to them. If they didn't fuck up we'd all have our cans now - but since they just put them at the back of the line, they went from an average 90 day approval to a 150+ day approval....................................."
SO today marks 145 days for my eFile Form 4.
Annoying, but I was under the belief and with sadness my 3rd can I bought would be the first I bring home because it was eFile the other two were paper form 4's and done in Sept and Dec 2021.
Today I got an unexpected call that I got my form 4 paper in a batch approval, WTF????
I am stoked and laughing that AFT has no pattern ever......................
265 so far on my paper form 4
265 so far on my paper form 4
Maybe?
Total not the norm for me to have good luck, so this is weird but counting my blessing at this moment.
When did you submit, end of October? This is probably not the norm. Unless the AFT did something to speed things up to get rid of all the paper apps?
My dealer called left a voicemail cause I didnt answer watching a movie. He was like: "................DUDE! I cannot frigging believe it, we are all in awe right now. Your approval came in for the Sandman S!"
SO I call him back in shock and he said; "...............we cannot believe this came in so fast, but you sitting down? After I left you a message the next envelope, I opened was also yours, for the Turbo! WTF!
I am still in shock 9 months is all it took for both cans bought two months apart, was planning on 15 months the way things have been going.
Maybe?
Total not the norm for me to have good luck, so this is weird but counting my blessing at this moment.
When did you submit, end of October? This is probably not the norm. Unless the AFT did something to speed things up to get rid of all the paper apps?
My dealer called left a voicemail cause I didnt answer watching a movie. He was like: "................DUDE! I cannot frigging believe it, we are all in awe right now. Your approval came in for the Sandman S!"
SO I call him back in shock and he said; "...............we cannot believe this came in so fast, but you sitting down? After I left you a message the next envelope, I opened was also yours, for the Turbo! WTF!
I am still in shock 9 months is all it took for both cans bought two months apart, was planning on 15 months the way things have been going.
Don't you go getting my hopes up. Damn you!
Check cashed 10/25.
This was a gift from my best friends. My intro into NFA.
Don't you go getting my hopes up. Damn you!
Check cashed 10/25.
This was a gift from my best friends. My intro into NFA.
I didnt mean to give you hope. [Coffee]
That was really really random from what i see. Most of what my dealer was telling me backed up by the NFA tracking posts for timelines on various forums are saying 12-14 months is norm. In the opposite my eFile Form 4 has gone way beyond the 90 days advertised.
Cross your fingers, what ever brings luck. I just set my mind on a 13 month timeframe and have been blessed I guess.
BootScootin
07-17-2022, 19:58
Day 274, paper. I've heard a few early paper approvals so I'm getting some false hope over here
Day 274, paper. I've heard a few early paper approvals so I'm getting some false hope over here
There was a guy who posted after me on the NFA tracking thread on ARFcom that his Paper Form 4 was approved similar to mine, 10/15/2015 submitted and approved 7/15/2022 so right at 9 months. Maybe, just maybe they are working diligently to get rid of the back log of Paper Form 4s? Can only hope now if the eFile was more consistent.......................
However;
ATF finally updated their timelines for processing, and it is interesting eFile Form 4 now shows an average of 100 days. (Though AFT never said 90 day guarantees just what they wish for.) and Paper Form 4 is 12 months.
Current Processing Times | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (atf.gov) (https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/current-processing-times)
Still waiting on my 2/14 eform submission lol. They've been processing Feb forms the last week or so though.
What I'm curious about now is, how far back is this going to push May-ish and onward forms that should have been going through now instead?
Looking at grabbing a can from ECCO but now we basically have zero idea of how far out current submissions might be
My 2/14 submission finally just got approved at 164 days
Someone from another community just got their F1 from 2/28 for his RPG7
My 2/14 submission finally just got approved at 164 days
Yep mine got approved today at 164 days.
So looks like all the backlogs from Feb and March are getting approved, now see people averaging 150-170 days for eFile for those submitting April on. Someone on the NFA tracker posted he got his back in 56 days, but that is one out of the last 20 people who posted. Guess I will count that as being the norm and get it earlier then blessing.
I say that now as my BOGO SiCo can shipped last week and dealer got this last Wed, eFiled and certified yesterday. I will mark it for beginning of February to get approved and pray for a XMAS present :)
kidicarus13
09-03-2022, 13:41
Prepare yourselves for the deluge...
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/09/atf-pistol-brace-amnesty-registration-program/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)#axzz7dpQ3Klvb
HBARleatherneck
09-03-2022, 15:30
I like how many people online are welcoming this proposition.
Prepare yourselves for the deluge...
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/09/atf-pistol-brace-amnesty-registration-program/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)#axzz7dpQ3Klvb
I love how the writer states that the ATF is expecting millions of applications during the amnesty period. Haha
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It was a quietly posted document; there is a lot lot more behind the scenes. There are some really good videos out on it as well as doom and gloom internet warriors.
From the more sane and logical coverage I have read through the final rule will be posted in mid Nov or Dec and take effect early 2023 some time I believe as they have to answer all 250000+ comments but also holding off until then so it will be after mid-term elections. Depending on which ways things go, this might just disappear into the shadows or they may try to push it through.
There are several organizations that have already sued the ATF, (going off the recent EPA ruling (scolding) about an executive agency's limited power cannot make laws bypassing congress) and the case has been asked by both parties to be put on hold until after they come out with the final rule for pistol braces.
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