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hollohas
12-22-2021, 16:44
Well, it's official. The trucker protest of Colorado over the life sentence of the negligent trucker who killed 4 is real. We've been getting notice at work this week that more than a few loads heading our way are delayed because they can't find drivers to drive to Colorado or the trucks are sitting outside state lines.
The supply shortage just got worse in Colorado. Great.
.455_Hunter
12-22-2021, 16:51
So professional drivers want to be compared to a guy who made multiple poor decision over an extended period of time/distance and killed four in his negligence?
He knew was having problems controlling speed BEFORE hitting the Evergreen exit and Buffalo Herd Overlook exit. He could have pulled over there without any drama. Instead, he started down from Genesee, bypassed the run away truck sand bed, and ignored lots of green grass medians, probably thinking he could just run it out on the flat.
You can debate the term of the sentence, but this was not a case of a single split-second decision causing an accident on the interstate, or some bad weather incident.
Bailey Guns
12-22-2021, 16:56
Sounds like an opportunity for more work just appeared for independent O/O's.
BUY TOILET PAPER!!!
Grant H.
12-22-2021, 17:03
This is so much BS...
The sentence is mandatory by CO law, the judge verbally lamented the sentence, but legally has no choice. However, as I understand it, there is a motion (not the idiot petition on the internet) to revise the sentence, which is somehow allowed under the mandatory consecutive sentence law.
All that being said... This MF'er, and many others that were involved in the lead up to this, should be crucified.
How do you get a CDL when you can't read english?
Some effing bleeding heart die-hard liberal wanted to "be the change that does good" and make a path for more immigrants to be able to work, at best...
Some effing retard bureaucrat took a cash payment for pushing some paperwork through...
hollohas
12-22-2021, 17:07
So professional drivers want to be compared to a guy who made multiple poor decision over an extended period of time/distance and killed four in his negligence?
^This is the part I don't get. Professionals wouldn't have burned up their brakes (especially with such a light load) and they would have hit the ramp if their brakes did fail. This guy could have easily hit that ramp but chose to swerve 2 lanes the opposite way and run a pickup off the road instead, then continue on kill people. He made VERY bad choices and that usually ends up with very bad punishment.
Sucks, but such is life.
Professional truckers shouldn't be standing up for this guy. He gives them a bad name.
Little Dutch
12-22-2021, 17:56
So professional drivers want to be compared to a guy who made multiple poor decision over an extended period of time/distance and killed four in his negligence?
He knew was having problems controlling speed BEFORE hitting the Evergreen exit and Buffalo Herd Overlook exit. He could have pulled over there without any drama. Instead, he started down from Genesee, bypassed the run away truck sand bed, and ignored lots of green grass medians, probably thinking he could just run it out on the flat.
You can debate the term of the sentence, but this was not a case of a single split-second decision causing an accident on the interstate, or some bad weather incident.
I tried explaining this to someone earlier. Their conclusion was that I hate immigrants. They literally said “everyone thinks the strawberries are going to pick themselves.” People have lost all ability to reason.
TEAMRICO
12-22-2021, 18:48
I’m just glad Kim Kardashian got involved……
JohnnyDrama
12-22-2021, 19:42
Sounds like an opportunity for more work just appeared for independent O/O's.
BUY TOILET PAPER!!!
Are truckers boycotting Colorado or is it the Union?
So professional drivers want to be compared to a guy who made multiple poor decision over an extended period of time/distance and killed four in his negligence?
....
With the current political climate being what it is, I'm curious about what and how much professionals really have to say.
It seemed like a slightly harsh sentence, but out of all the fucks I have to give in this life, I definitely have none to give here. Kind of like a DUI that kills four people. Would 110 years be harsh? Slightly, but IDGAF because they killed four people, I guess a progressive would say my fucks were wasted on the people he killed.
battlemidget
12-22-2021, 21:02
As mentioned, I too am curious to know his path to having a CDL and being given the keys.
As mentioned, I too am curious to know his path to having a CDL and being given the keys.
With the number of drivers retiring or quitting the business, I imagine companies are probably desperate to get warm bodies behind the wheel.
electronman1729
12-22-2021, 23:12
Interesting, If I made a decision in my profession that got someone killed, I would be shunned by my industry. Sure must be nice.
Gee, I'm planning on retiring next year, could my gimpy old ass get a CDL too? Gonna need a retirement job.....
Right now I’m driving I25 back and forth between Boulder and a work site in Ft Collins on a daily basis and I’ve not noticed any decrease in trucks.
I've read on another forum that the boycott was a fake tik-tok post. Not sure if there's any validity to that.
Martinjmpr
12-23-2021, 09:41
Some effing bleeding heart die-hard liberal wanted to "be the change that does good" and make a path for more immigrants to be able to work, at best...
Some effing retard bureaucrat took a cash payment for pushing some paperwork through...
Either that or some penny-pinching business owner thought "why should I hire an American and pay him the salary an American driver would expect when I can hire a poorly trained foreigner for less $$ and put the difference in my pocket?"
I seem to recall reading (right after this happened) that the fly-by-night company the driver worked for also carried the bare minimum insurance of $750,000 and declared bankruptcy after this so the victims of the accident are not even going to be able to get much (if anything) from the insurance.
So yeah, blame the bureaucrats but save some of your anger for the cheap-ass businesses that want to foist the cost of their negligence and irresponsibility onto us, the taxpayers. ;)
Either that or some penny-pinching business owner thought "why should I hire an American and pay him the salary an American driver would expect when I can hire a poorly trained foreigner for less $$ and put the difference in my pocket?"
I seem to recall reading (right after this happened) that the fly-by-night company the driver worked for also carried the bare minimum insurance of $750,000 and declared bankruptcy after this so the victims of the accident are not even going to be able to get much (if anything) from the insurance.
So yeah, blame the bureaucrats but save some of your anger for the cheap-ass businesses that want to foist the cost of their negligence and irresponsibility onto us, the taxpayers. ;)
They opened a new LLC the day after the crash
Right now I’m driving I25 back and forth between Boulder and a work site in Ft Collins on a daily basis and I’ve not noticed any decrease in trucks.
Depending on the time of day, that can be as bad as I25.
hollohas
12-23-2021, 10:16
I've read on another forum that the boycott was a fake tik-tok post. Not sure if there's any validity to that.That was the point of OP. I didn't believe it either until we had multiple inbound shipments get delayed. We've had shippers tell us this week they can't find drivers to bring loads to CO (but can to ship stuff elsewhere) and other shippers tell us they loaded the freight and it left their dock but now it's sitting outside CO.
TikTok may be fake. But we are experiencing real delays specifically to CO in addition to the typical supply chain delays we're already used to.
APEXgunparts
12-23-2021, 10:23
I have a inbound load that arrived in Denver on the 21st.
It was SUPPOSED to be delivered to us here in Colorado Springs yesterday.
I think we won't actually have the delivery until next week.
This past year it has been tough getting shipments into Colorado, and the past few months it has been tough getting material from the depot to our loading dock.
Richard
.455_Hunter
12-23-2021, 10:27
And here you go...
"What happened was tragic, and we believe that he’s a victim of malicious prosecution," said LULAC president, Domingo Garcia. "To prosecute him and kind of make an example out of him, I don’t think would’ve happened number one if he wasn’t a Latino and number two if he wasn’t an immigrant," Garcia said. "I think race played a role in this."
You knew that was coming. I hate race hustlers.
BPTactical
12-23-2021, 11:08
Ignorant fucks clearly have not read the court transcripts nor the arrest warrant.
Nor do they care.
While the 110 years may seem like an injustice the bigger injustice is the system rolling over for the ignorant masses.
Lady Justice wears a blindfold for a reason.
If you were to infect someone and they died due to your infectious status. Would 110 years of incarceration be appropriate?
hollohas
12-23-2021, 12:05
If you were to infect someone and they died due to your infectious status. Would 110 years of incarceration be appropriate?Uh...not sure even how to respond to this. It's off topic, vague and completely unequal.
This trucker killed 4, injured dozens and created millions in damage due to his negligence. The 110 years wasn't punishment for a single crime against one person. It was the total for more than 2 dozen crimes he was found guilty of.
BTW, he was charged with 42 counts. He wasn't found guilty of many of them. (So much for the this is just racist cries).
Bailey Guns
12-23-2021, 12:40
If you were to infect someone and they died due to your infectious status. Would 110 years of incarceration be appropriate?
That's just an ignorant question that has nothing to do with this topic.
However, there are many examples or people being charged with attempted murder (maybe murder, too) for knowingly and intentionally infecting/attempting to infect someone with a disease. There are laws against that sort of thing for a reason.
Therefore, if you consider a person who knowingly and intentionally infects 4 people and they die, that's four counts of murder. Now add on 6 more counts of 1st Deg Assault for intentionally causing serious harm to others thru the infection. That 110 years doesn't seem like so much now, does it? And we haven't even touched on the 32 other charges.
It's always helpful to maybe give these things a little thought before responding in a knee-jerk, emotional way.
My point was the justice system, is society as a whole gaining any tangible benefit from the sentence?
Bailey Guns
12-23-2021, 13:05
Yes. Someone who killed 4 people and injured numerous others and cost other people and businesses potentially millions of dollars won't be on the street to do it again. That's a tangible benefit.
And...it's not just a benefit to society that's important. Part of the justice system entails punishment. This is punishment for what he did.
My point was the justice system, is society as a whole gaining any tangible benefit from the sentence?
Yes. Someone who killed 4 people and injured numerous others and cost other people and businesses potentially millions of dollars won't be on the street to do it again. That's a tangible benefit.
And...it's not just a benefit to society that's important. Part of the justice system entails punishment. This is punishment for what he did.
Also there’s on that passed him to get his license should lose their tester license since he was new to driving.
If society keeps going with no severe consequences for peoples actions the actions will become more severe.
I don’t care what anyone thinks, the reason why he did what he did was he only cared about himself not getting hurt and the only reason he’s sorry is because of the sentencing what was handed to him.
So why should he get to have a life when he selfishly took others.
colorider
12-23-2021, 16:53
How much do ya want to bet that Polis meets or talks with Kim Kardashian so he can get into national news again? He’s an attention whore and LOVES to be in the national spotlight. This is the perfect setup for him to get his mug back in national news.
bigshane
12-23-2021, 17:01
If you were to infect someone and they died due to your infectious status. Would 110 years of incarceration be appropriate?
Not in Kalifornia https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/new-california-law-reduces-penalty-knowingly-exposing-someone-hiv-n809416
hollohas
12-23-2021, 17:17
And...it's not just a benefit to society that's important. Part of the justice system entails punishment. This is punishment for what he did.
And the threat of punishment is a deterrent. Another tangible benefit to society.
SideShow Bob
12-23-2021, 17:30
That's just an ignorant question that has nothing to do with this topic.
It's always helpful to maybe give these things a little thought before responding in a knee-jerk, emotional way.
Right Arm, Right Arm, Bailey.
There seems to be more and more shill or infiltrator members on this site. Trying to breed hate & discontent amongst the membership.
Unfortunate for them though, the most of us still hold true to old values of right & wrong and crime & punishment.
tmjohnson
12-23-2021, 19:06
If the guy gets off i hope the families of the victims sue him for everything he is worth and will ever earn.
If the guy gets off i hope the families of the victims sue him for everything he is worth and will ever earn.
Which is zip.
eddiememphis
12-23-2021, 21:16
How much do ya want to bet that Polis meets or talks with Kim Kardashian so he can get into national news again? He?s an attention whore and LOVES to be in the national spotlight. This is the perfect setup for him to get his mug back in national news.
He's seeking attention as a prelude to a 2028 presidential run.
And the threat of punishment is a deterrent. Another tangible benefit to society.
Yup. Next time a trucker is barely in control and contemplating a ramp, maybe they'll weigh the risks of a 110 year sentence against the cost of the tow and fine to use the ramp.
(AFAIK it does cost truckers quite a bit to hit a ramp, which is incredibly stupid imho)
BPTactical
12-24-2021, 14:51
“Regrettable Accident”
Pure fucking bullshit.
I held a CDL in Colorado for 24 years as a DOT employee.I was a Supervisor and Driver Trainer for 18 of those 24 years.
I have driven that section of highway many times without incident.
A “Regrettable Accident” is when somebody runs a traffic light in front of you when you have the green light and you eat them with a 14’ plow attached to 60,000 lbs of truck at 40mph.
A “Regrettable Accident” is when somebody loses control in the snow and crosses the centerline and you cut their car in half with a 14’ plow attached to 60,000 lbs of truck at 25mph.
A “Regrettable Accident” is when you have no choice of action.
Ask me how I know.
This motherfucker knowingly CHOSE to drive past not one but two runaway truck ramps with full knowledge he had brake failure.
This motherfucker knowingly CHOSE not to attempt any means of mitigating/minimizing the risk to the motoring public.
This motherfucker had miles and minutes to make his choices.
Willfull and Wanton behavior.
The charges were appropriate.
He earned everything he got.
He was offered a plea deal which he turned down.
He took his gamble with a jury.
He lost.
Too bad, so sad.
Is 110 years an injustice? Possibly but an even bigger injustice is a DA who is cowtowing to political pressure. She should be disbarred.
Lady Justice wears a blindfold for a reason and that is to weigh a case/situation solely on the merit of the case
buffalobo
12-24-2021, 15:49
?Regrettable Accident?
Pure fucking bullshit.
I held a CDL in Colorado for 24 years as a DOT employee.I was a Supervisor and Driver Trainer for 18 of those 24 years.
I have driven that section of highway many times without incident.
A ?Regrettable Accident? is when somebody runs a traffic light in front of you when you have the green light and you eat them with a 14? plow attached to 60,000 lbs of truck at 40mph.
A ?Regrettable Accident? is when somebody loses control in the snow and crosses the centerline and you cut their car in half with a 14? plow attached to 60,000 lbs of truck at 25mph.
A ?Regrettable Accident? is when you have no choice of action.
Ask me how I know.
This motherfucker knowingly CHOSE to drive past not one but two runaway truck ramps with full knowledge he had brake failure.
This motherfucker knowingly CHOSE not to attempt any means of mitigating/minimizing the risk to the motoring public.
This motherfucker had miles and minutes to make his choices.
Willfull and Wanton behavior.
The charges were appropriate.
He earned everything he got.
He was offered a plea deal which he turned down.
He took his gamble with a jury.
He lost.
Too bad, so sad.
Is 110 years an injustice? Possibly but an even bigger injustice is a DA who is cowtowing to political pressure. She should be disbarred.
Lady Justice wears a blindfold for a reason and that is to weigh a case/situation solely on the merit of the case10 ring.
tmjohnson
12-24-2021, 16:42
RIGHT ON BP TACTICAL!!!!!!
There's an old saying amongst truckers: "Take the ditch." You go off the road to avoid a mass casualty event like we saw here. He did not do that.
He nearly got in several accidents before completely losing control... there's video of at least one such incident... then he passed three ramps and didn't even consider the median.
Multiple backup braking systems were untouched... jakes, trolley brake, two sets of air brakes... and instead of calling 911 he called his company... who very likely encouraged him to ride it out and deliver that load.
He saw those cars backed up from a mile away and made zero effort to avoid them... just slammed right through em.
Apparently, he is incapable of speaking or reading English either, which is a federal requirement to hold a CDL.
But my favorite part was when he showed absolutely zero remorse and asserted he did nothing wrong.
He never should've been behind the wheel of that truck. An example needs to be made. These protests on his behalf sicken me. He should be publically drawn and quartered for this.
eddiememphis
12-24-2021, 17:04
...but an even bigger injustice is a DA who is cowtowing to political pressure. She should be disbarred.
Lady Justice wears a blindfold for a reason and that is to weigh a case/situation solely on the merit of the case
In a perfect world.
However, DA is an elected position so politics will always rear it's ugly head, especially if she has plans on running again.
kidicarus13
12-30-2021, 18:38
From 110yrs to 10yrs. Embargo should cease...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/truck-drivers-sentence-lowered-10-years-originally-receiving/story?id=82010219
Wow, and he is eligible for parole in 5 years.
eddiememphis
12-30-2021, 18:53
"I am writing to inform you that I am granting your application for a commutation," Polis wrote. "After learning about the highly atypical and unjust sentence in your case, I am commuting your sentence to 10 years and granting you parole eligibility on December 30, 2026."
Unbelievable.
"There is an urgency to remedy this unjust sentence and restore confidence in the uniformity and fairness of our criminal justice system, and consequently I have chosen to commute your sentence now."
Jefferson County District Attorney Alexis King has filed a motion earlier this month asking for a sentence of 20 to 30 years instead. A hearing to reconsider the sentence had been scheduled for Jan. 13, 2022.
What urgency? Twitter pressure? This is amazing.
hollohas
12-30-2021, 19:18
Just like all the other modern Dems. Letting criminals off. Unbelievable.
I'm torn. He might have been over sentenced. Seems this is the way things go in modern times. I don't have much to comment on his sentence. What does concern me is the kangaroo court , banana republic vibe. Much of what happened was based on hysteria and mob rule. I'm pretty sure I dont want to end up in court. Many people are not grounded in reason.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-30-2021, 19:56
He was offered a plea deal, what was that? If it is more than 10 years, this asshole played the system and won.
I?m so glad they Polis took so long to put a lot of thought into it? and then released it right before New Years and a big fire. I?m sure he?ll run the shit out of this Spanish Langauge outlets.
If I lost a loved one, who burned alive and couldn?t escape, what I just learned is that BBQ someone costs you 15 months. I?m far from ?prison-rated?, but I?d do that time.
.455_Hunter
12-31-2021, 13:07
Kinda surprised this got published...
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/family-members-of-i-70-crash-victim-feel-forgotten-as-nationwide-attention-shifts-to-defendant
Could the resentancing hearing undo the governors meddling in the case?
Could the resentancing hearing undo the governors meddling in the case?
Doubt it.
Aloha_Shooter
12-31-2021, 14:23
"Unjust sentence" my arse. What's unjust is that a guy who killed 10 people through his own willful negligence is going to do 10 years or less (probably much less). Polis is just playing to La Raza.
"Unjust sentence" my arse. What's unjust is that a guy who killed 10 people through his own willful negligence is going to do 10 years or less (probably much less). Polis is just playing to La Raza.
4 people.
I fully disagree with mandatory minimums in any space, but 110 years was a touch much here. He was stupid and fucked up. Should have been 25, IMO
theGinsue
12-31-2021, 17:37
How many years of living did his intentional and reckless act take from those he killed? His sentence of 110 years was just.
hollohas
12-31-2021, 18:10
How many years of living did his intentional and reckless act take from those he killed? His sentence of 110 years was just.Absolutely it was just. He was found guilty of 26 charges. Each guilty verdict earns jail time. That adds up.
I can't believe anyone would say 10 years is fair for 26 crimes which include multiple homicides.
How many years of living did his intentional and reckless act take from those he killed? His sentence of 110 years was just.
Agreed, and I don't understand why his employer and supervisors weren't prosecuted as accessory.
What Polis has done is an outrageous usurpation of justice and the justice system, all for grandstanding as a supposed compassionate progressive leader. Commutation isn't to be used before the justice system has completed it's processes. The case was still early in the system process and appeals would have corrected any over sentence. How pompous and arrogant Jared Polis has shown himself to be! Real justice would see Polis impeached and perhaps required to serve the remaining 100 years of the lucky criminal's sentence. If I were one of the victims family I'd be looking to string them both up.
Vic Tory
12-31-2021, 19:07
"Unjust sentence" my arse. <snip> Polis is just playing to La Raza.This.
... What Polis has done is an outrageous usurpation of justice and the justice system, all for grandstanding as a supposed compassionate progressive leader. Commutation isn't to be used before the justice system has completed it's processes. The case was still early in the system process and appeals would have corrected any over sentence. How pompous and arrogant Jared Polis has shown himself to be! Real justice would see Polis impeached and perhaps required to serve the remaining 100 years of the lucky criminal's sentence. If I were one of the victims family I'd be looking to string them both up.Bingo!
He was offered a plea deal, what was that? If it is more than 10 years, this asshole played the system and won.
I?m so glad they Polis took so long to put a lot of thought into it? and then released it right before New Years and a big fire. I?m sure he?ll run the shit out of this Spanish Langauge outlets.
If I lost a loved one, who burned alive and couldn?t escape, what I just learned is that BBQ someone costs you 15 months. I?m far from ?prison-rated?, but I?d do that time.
"Unjust sentence" my arse. What's unjust is that a guy who killed 10 people through his own willful negligence is going to do 10 years or less (probably much less). Polis is just playing to La Raza.
“Regrettable Accident”
Pure fucking bullshit....Agreed!
I drove a truck for an egg farm. Because we were agricultural, I didn't have a CDL. (Our truck was a cab-over straight frame. Not articulated.)
But friends still -- 20 years later -- remark about my awareness extending so much more ahead than the typical driver's. These 45,000 pound WEAPONS don't stop on a dime. You MUST be alert to what's going-on way in front of you ... and all around you.
This murderer knew what he was risking, and did not care. He should be sentenced to the total years of life expectancy of the people he killed ... PLUS 100 years!
BPTactical
12-31-2021, 19:48
I was called Insane because I compared the drivers disregard for life and property to the actions of somebody who just opens fire into a crowd.
To me they share the same willful and wantonly negligent and reckless behavior.
Am I insane?
Am I insane?
Yes. But not for the reason you mentioned above.
He did not wake up that morning and say to himself that he is going to murder as many people as possible today.
He did not say to himself, I am trusted with a big truck on a big hill, and this will make it easier for me to murder people today.
Was he negligent, yes, but so are a lot of other people, including the people that gave him that route, and that cargo, and his Commercial Drivers License.
BPTactical
12-31-2021, 20:42
Yes. But not for the reason you mentioned above.
Whew!
I feel gooder now.
BPTactical
12-31-2021, 20:43
He did not wake up that morning and say to himself that he is going to murder as many people as possible today.
He did not say to himself, I am trusted with a big truck on a big hill, and this will make it easier for me to murder people today.
Was he negligent, yes, but so are a lot of other people, including the people that gave him that route, and that cargo, and his Commercial Drivers License.
Says the guy with Serial Speed Limit Breaker for a handle.
You can’t make this shit up
Well there you go, I am a serial speed limit breaker, and probably the safest driver you will ever know.
Little Dutch
12-31-2021, 20:51
He did not wake up that morning and say to himself that he is going to murder as many people as possible today.
He did not say to himself, I am trusted with a big truck on a big hill, and this will make it easier for me to murder people today.
Was he negligent, yes, but so are a lot of other people, including the people that gave him that route, and that cargo, and his Commercial Drivers License.
It’s super weird you would sympathize with that murdering shit bag. See something of yourself in him maybe?
89005
That I might get overwhelmed and cause an accident that kills people? In a truck, down I-70, as an inexperienced driver?
There's a reason these are called accidents. Have you never had an accident?
Vic Tory
12-31-2021, 20:55
I was called Insane because I compared the drivers disregard for life and property to the actions of somebody who just opens fire into a crowd.
To me they share the same willful and wantonly negligent and reckless behavior.We agree. Except I don't consider his behavior "negligent," but CRIMINAL. (So I am more crazy than you!)
He did not wake up that morning and say to himself that he is going to murder as many people as possible today.
He did not say to himself, I am trusted with a big truck on a big hill, and this will make it easier for me to murder people today.
Was he negligent, yes, but so are a lot of other people, including the people that gave him that route, and that cargo, and his Commercial Drivers License."Negligent??!!!" That's nuts!
He did CHOOSE to pass not one, but TWO truck escape ramps. He CHOSE not to put the truck in the ditch at any of at least a dozen places. He CHOSE to smash into several vehicles, with the near certainty people would be maimed and/or killed.
You make it sound like he was sitting there, whistling dixie, and driving hell bent on murder.
But that's probably not the case.
He likely had no experience in driving down i-70, in a truck, with potentially fading brakes.
This likely happens quite often, but less spectacularly, with only one or two people killed, at the bottom of Floyd hill.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=floyd+hill+traffic+deaths&cvid=6d9f4dc3c3f54e918459634d0f4d31f3&aqs=edge..69i57.7072j0j1&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531
BPTactical
12-31-2021, 21:48
Well there you go, I am a serial speed limit breaker, and probably the safest driver you will ever know.
https://youtu.be/k1uX6VliMpw
eddiememphis
12-31-2021, 21:54
I have read Polis chose this because many other states' maximum sentence for similar crimes is ten years per conviction, served concurrently.
I wonder if his jumping in before it has a chance to work it's way through the system is a violation of the oath of office to support the constitution and laws of Colorado.
BPTactical
12-31-2021, 22:24
^^^
Like that has ever stopped a Democrat.
Merely pandering to a certain demographic- Polesmoker has much bigger aspirations than this state.
3beansalad
01-02-2022, 07:39
There's a reason these are called accidents. Have you never had an accident?
BS. Accidents are unavoidable. There were many ways this dirtbag could have stopped that truck without killing others.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
01-03-2022, 17:00
F Polis. I'd put serious money into orgs that would run ads against Polis on this issue. I hope this ends up haunting him. So much for respecting jury trials!!!
He also is going to let an illegal with felony domestic violence issues get a pass so that he get to beat his wife again.
I'm going to change my name to DeMiFriaManoMuerta so I can get a sweet deal on all my felonies.
Aloha_Shooter
01-03-2022, 18:18
4 people.
I fully disagree with mandatory minimums in any space, but 110 years was a touch much here. He was stupid and fucked up. Should have been 25, IMO
Thank you for the correction. I could have gone with a sentence less than 110 years but even 25 is too little for this case IMO.
He did not wake up that morning and say to himself that he is going to murder as many people as possible today.
He did not say to himself, I am trusted with a big truck on a big hill, and this will make it easier for me to murder people today.
Was he negligent, yes, but so are a lot of other people, including the people that gave him that route, and that cargo, and his Commercial Drivers License.
That I might get overwhelmed and cause an accident that kills people? In a truck, down I-70, as an inexperienced driver?
There's a reason these are called accidents. Have you never had an accident?
There's a reason many of us who are or have been firearm instructors talk about negligent discharges instead of accidental discharges. It'd be an accident if the truck's brakes failed due to a condition that couldn't be foreseen -- this is NOT that case. This guy's actions were negligent, not accidental. He passed on at least 2 opportunities to pull off safely and CHOSE not to -- decisions which cost lives. Alec Baldwin probably didn't wake up planning on shooting 2 people either -- but he did shoot them. I might even be persuaded to be more lenient if it was just ONE negligent decision made in the haste -- but this guy made the wrong decisions several times.
You make it sound like he was sitting there, whistling dixie, and driving hell bent on murder.
But that's probably not the case.
He likely had no experience in driving down i-70, in a truck, with potentially fading brakes.
Yeah and I have no experience driving the Nurburgring at 160 mph. The B-52 crash at Fairchild in 1994 was a crash, not an accident, and is cited in Air Force leadership training precisely because the pilot-in-command made bad decisions -- and so did the people who let him make those decisions. If I choose to do something I lack experience in then eff it up, that's on me. It's not chance, it's not an act of God, it's not an accident.
He was convicted of vehicular homicide. Per the wiki definition, this can be negligent or murderous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide
While it may have been/was negligent, from my perspective, this does not rise to murderous.
He was convicted of vehicular homicide. Per the wiki definition, this can be negligent or murderous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide
While it may have been/was negligent, from my perspective, this does not rise to murderous.
I can be lenient when “HE” burned up the breaks as being negligent. When “HE” passed up the run away ramps, this is when it becomes murderous.
So you must think Alex isn’t at fault either, from your perspective.
I can be lenient when “HE” burned up the breaks as being negligent. When “HE” passed up the run away ramps, this is when it becomes murderous.
So you must think Alex isn’t at fault either, from your perspective.
Has it been thoroughly established 1) the chronology is correct on the sequence of events (or is it a case of a 17 year old taking a rifle across state lines lack of facts), and 2) did he even know what they were/could he get to them due to traffic?
I was under the impression he had no mountain driver training and at the time barely spoke English.
hollohas
01-03-2022, 22:15
2) did he even know what they were/could he get to them due to traffic?
I was under the impression he had no mountain driver training and at the time barely spoke English.
Yes, there is clear video of him passing a runaway ramp. The ramp in question is on the outside of a left-hand turn. He was going so fast, he took the turn on the inside, crossing two lanes and running a white pickup in the left lane off the road. In a turn like that and at that speed, it would have been MUCH easier to hit the ramp on the outside than take the turn on the inside like some nascar driver. That's why it's there, because a runaway truck like his can't make the left turn, and he almost didn't either. There were no other vehicles to his right blocking the entrance to the ramp as he was in the right lane. There was a vehicle to his left. He ran that one off the road rather than taking the clear open path to the ramp. That's a sketchy ramp because of the drop on the right, but he passed it by choice. Not because he couldn't get to it.
Him not having mountain driving experience is on him too. If I guide a bunch of people on a whitewater rafting trip and kill them all because I've never guided a raft before, that'd be on me. Him doing something he doesn't know how to do is on him.
And not speaking English is ZERO excuse for anything.
Yes, there is clear video of him passing a runaway ramp. The ramp in question is on the outside of a left-hand turn. He was going so fast, he took the turn on the inside, crossing two lanes and running a white pickup in the left lane off the road. In a turn like that and at that speed, it would have been MUCH easier to hit the ramp on the outside than take the turn on the inside like some nascar driver. That's why it's there, because a runaway truck like his can't make the left turn, and he almost didn't either. There were no other vehicles to his right blocking the entrance to the ramp as he was in the right lane. There was a vehicle to his left. He ran that one off the road rather than taking the clear open path to the ramp. That's a sketchy ramp because of the drop on the right, but he passed it by choice. Not because he couldn't get to it.
Him not having mountain driving experience is on him too. If I guide a bunch of people on a whitewater rafting trip and kill them all because I've never guided a raft before, that'd be on me. Him doing something he doesn't know how to do is on him.
And not speaking English is ZERO excuse for anything.
You ever driven a runaway big rig in Mexico?
I haven't, but I know I'd be $5 in on Calle Coahuila if I did.
hollohas
01-04-2022, 07:08
You ever driven a runaway big rig in Mexico?
I haven't, but I know I'd be $5 in on Calle Coahuila if I did.Nope. And therefore I have zero chance of being charged with vehicular manslaughter in Mexico.
But what if desperation had you doing so?
Where would you be when everything turn to 6%+ grades of shit and you had no idea what was going on?
This is not a simple case. A lot in this thread are assuming malice.
Do we now ruin a person’s life because he’s a fucking retard or doesn’t know what to do?
Is inability to cope with a situation presented with terror and incompetence really a life sentence?
Fuck this state’s sentencing laws; they’re malicious. Polis did something smart for once.
If you’re not a truck driver who can articulate this guy’s training level and how he ignored it, I don’t want to hear it. It’s just ignorant bitching otherwise.
I don’t know where in the world where you go up a very steep hill that you are not going to go back down a very steep hill. Also there are signs (with universal pictures) (just like with the lights on the dash so no mater what country you’re from it’s the same) way way before the down grade.
Yes it is a simple case, that’s is why the jury of his peers found him guilty.
He ruined peoples lives, and if there is no severe consequences for peoples actions we will end up with more and more people doing just what he did. As in not giving a fuck about the outcome of their actions.
Although I haven’t drove over the road in years the endorsements that I have require 6 hours a year of training on the new updates and a test.
It even states plan your route and if you don’t know ask another driver.
So how many things did he ignored before taking the lives in injuring the others?
Here is the text straight from the permit handbook that he should have taken at a dmv himself. If he had someone else take it well that’s on him also.
If the tester did not ask about mountain grades (which they do) he should have said that in court, he didn’t.
2.6.6 – Speed on Downgrades
Your vehicle’s speed will increase on downgrades because of gravity. Your most important objective is to select and maintain a speed that is not too fast for the:
Total weight of the vehicle and cargo. Length of the grade.
Steepness of the grade.
Road conditions.
Weather.
If a speed limit is posted, or there is a sign indicating “Maximum Safe Speed,” never exceed the speed shown. Also, look for and heed warning signs indicating the length and steepness of the grade. You must use the braking effect of the engine as the principal way of controlling your speed on downgrades. The braking effect of the engine
is greatest when it is near the governed rpms and the transmission is in the lower gears. Save your brakes so you will be able to slow or stop as required by road and traffic conditions. Shift your transmission to a low gear before starting down the grade and use the proper braking techniques. Please read carefully the section on going down long, steep downgrades safely in “Mountain Driving.”
2.16 – Mountain Driving
In mountain driving, gravity plays a major role. On any upgrade, gravity slows you down. The steeper the grade,
the longer the grade, and/or the heavier the load--the more you will have to use lower gears to climb hills or mountains. In coming down long, steep downgrades, gravity causes
the speed of your vehicle to increase. You must select an appropriate safe speed, then use a low gear, and proper braking techniques. You should plan ahead and obtain information about any long, steep grades along your planned route of travel. If possible, talk to other drivers who are familiar with the grades to find out what speeds are safe.
You must go slowly enough so your brakes can hold you back without getting too hot. If the brakes become too hot, they may start to “fade.” This means you have to apply them harder and harder to get the same stopping power. If you continue to use the brakes hard, they can keep fading until you cannot slow down or stop at all.
2.16.1 – Select a “Safe” Speed
Your most important consideration is to select a speed that is not too fast for the:
Total weight of the vehicle and cargo. Length of the grade.
Steepness of the grade.
Road conditions.
Weather.
If a speed limit is posted, or there is a sign indicating “Maximum Safe Speed,” never exceed the speed shown. Also, look for and heed warning signs indicating the length and steepness of the grade.
You must use the braking effect of the engine as the principal way of controlling your speed. The braking effect of the engine is greatest when it is near the governed rpms and the transmission is in the lower gears. Save your brakes so you will be able to slow or stop as required by road and traffic conditions
Commercial Driver’s License Manual | 2018 CDL Testing System
2.16.2 – Select the Right Gear before Starting
Down the Grade
Shift the transmission to a low gear before starting down the grade. Do not try to downshift after your speed has already built up. You will not be able to shift into a lower gear. You may not even be able to get back into any
gear and all engine braking effect will be lost. Forcing an automatic transmission into a lower gear at high speed could damage the transmission and also lead to loss of all engine braking effect.
With older trucks, a rule for choosing gears is to use the same gear going down a hill that you would need to climb the hill. However, new trucks have low friction parts and streamlined shapes for fuel economy. They may also have more powerful engines. This means they can go up hills
in higher gears and have less friction and air drag to hold them back going down hills. For that reason, drivers of modern trucks may have to use lower gears going down a hill than would be required to go up the hill. You should know what is right for your vehicle.
2.16.3 – Brake Fading or Failure
Brakes are designed so brake shoes or pads rub against the brake drum or disks to slow the vehicle. Braking
creates heat, but brakes are designed to take a lot of
heat. However, brakes can fade or fail from excessive
heat caused by using them too much and not relying on
the engine braking effect. Brake fade is also affected by adjustment. To safely control a vehicle, every brake must do its share of the work. Brakes out of adjustment will stop doing their share before those that are in adjustment. The other brakes can then overheat and fade, and there will not be enough braking available to control the vehicle. Brakes can get out of adjustment quickly, especially when they are used a lot; also, brake linings wear faster when they are hot. Therefore, brake adjustment must be checked frequently.
2.16.4 – Proper Braking Technique
Remember. The use of brakes on a long and/or steep downgrade is only a supplement to the braking effect of the engine. Once the vehicle is in the proper low gear, the following are the proper braking techniques:
Apply the brakes just hard enough to feel a definite slowdown.
When your speed has been reduced to approximately five mph below your “safe” speed, release the brakes. (This brake application should last for about three seconds.)
When your speed has increased to your “safe” speed, repeat steps 1 and 2.
For example, if your “safe” speed is 40 mph, you would not apply the brakes until your speed reaches 40 mph. You now apply the brakes hard enough to gradually reduce your speed
to 35 mph and then release the brakes. Repeat this as often as necessary until you have reached the end of the downgrade.
Escape ramps have been built on many steep mountain downgrades. Escape ramps are made to stop runaway vehicles safely without injuring drivers and passengers. Escape ramps use a long bed of loose, soft material to slow a runaway vehicle, sometimes in combination with an upgrade.
Know escape ramp locations on your route. Signs show drivers where ramp are located. Escape ramps save lives, equipment and cargo.
Subsections 2.15 and 2.16
Test Your Knowledge
1. What factors determine your selection of a “safe” speed when going down a long, steep downgrade?
2. Why should you be in the proper gear before starting down a hill?
3. Describe the proper braking technique when going down a long, steep downgrade.
4. What type of vehicles can get stuck on a rail- road-highway crossing?
5. How long does it take for a typical tractor-trailer unit to clear a double track?
These questions may be on the test. If you can’t answer them all, re-read subsections 2.15 and 2.16.
Page 48 | Section 2 - Driving Safely
hollohas
01-05-2022, 06:35
Do we now ruin a person?s life because he?s a fucking retard or doesn?t know what to do?
Is inability to cope with a situation presented with terror and incompetence really a life sentence?
Fuck this state?s sentencing laws; they?re malicious. Polis did something smart for once.
Yeah, committing 26 serious crimes including multiple homicides is worth a life sentence. There are no do overs. This wasn't a little screw up or victimless crime. It doesn't matter if he was scared or incompetent, he committed 26 serious crimes against real people and property. Requiring that he serve time for each of his crimes is not a malicious law.
Are you suggesting that people should be allowed to cause as much trouble as possible, hurt as many people as possible, kill as many people as possible and as long as their crimes are part of the same trial, they only do time for one of those crimes? Because that's what you're saying when you say the sentencing laws are malicious.
What's malicious is letting this guy off easy.
Bailey Guns
01-05-2022, 08:15
But what if desperation had you doing so?
Where would you be when everything turn to 6%+ grades of shit and you had no idea what was going on?
This is not a simple case. A lot in this thread are assuming malice.
Do we now ruin a person?s life because he?s a fucking retard or doesn?t know what to do?
Is inability to cope with a situation presented with terror and incompetence really a life sentence?
Fuck this state?s sentencing laws; they?re malicious. Polis did something smart for once.
If you?re not a truck driver who can articulate this guy?s training level and how he ignored it, I don?t want to hear it. It?s just ignorant bitching otherwise.
That's a pretty thoughtful response. I'll remember it next time a cop makes a mistake after having only a second or two to react. If you're not a cop with cop training it's just ignorant bitching.
But what if desperation had you doing so?
Where would you be when everything turn to 6%+ grades of shit and you had no idea what was going on?
This is not a simple case. A lot in this thread are assuming malice.
Do we now ruin a person’s life because he’s a fucking retard or doesn’t know what to do?
Is inability to cope with a situation presented with terror and incompetence really a life sentence?
Fuck this state’s sentencing laws; they’re malicious. Polis did something smart for once.
If you’re not a truck driver who can articulate this guy’s training level and how he ignored it, I don’t want to hear it. It’s just ignorant bitching otherwise.
Didnt that retard end 4 peoples lives?
When did Polis commute the 4 peoples deaths? IS someone going to notify their families that Polis is going to commute their death sentences and have them rise from the dead?
HE KILLED 4 PEOPLE by his reckless behavior.
People get more time for a single rape than this guy got after Polis was done.
Maybe next we should feel bad for Nathan Dunlap?
clodhopper
01-05-2022, 09:31
Judge lets off a criminal with minimal sentence.
[public] OMG! Not right! Sentencing should be mandatory!
Truck driver wipes out lives. Mandatory sentencing says 100+ years.
[public] OMG! Not right! Mandatory sentencing is malicious and needs to be eliminated!
Liberal judge sentences prolific criminal to almost no time in jail.
[public] OMG! Not right!.........
Rinse. Repeat. Anyone who believes that legislation, if crafted by the "right people", will correctly apply in all cases that will be seen is a fruit loop. The law is never going to be the answer no matter how loud the public screams.
SideShow Bob
01-05-2022, 10:03
Hopefully the residents of our fine confinement facilities will give this upstanding non-driving careless un-citizen a very warm welcome and open his eyes to new and various ways of same gender pleasure.
That's a pretty thoughtful response. I'll remember it next time a cop makes a mistake after having only a second or two to react. If you're not a cop with cop training it's just ignorant bitching.
Apples and oranges. But you bring up a good point: negligence and mistakes should be measured based on experience and training level, along with the expectation of clearly outlined standards of behavior.
Yeah, committing 26 serious crimes including multiple homicides is worth a life sentence. There are no do overs. This wasn't a little screw up or victimless crime. It doesn't matter if he was scared or incompetent, he committed 26 serious crimes against real people and property. Requiring that he serve time for each of his crimes is not a malicious law.
Are you suggesting that people should be allowed to cause as much trouble as possible, hurt as many people as possible, kill as many people as possible and as long as their crimes are part of the same trial, they only do time for one of those crimes? Because that's what you're saying when you say the sentencing laws are malicious.
What's malicious is letting this guy off easy.
He had a series of cascading events which it is not clear he was trained in mitigating once it all went bad, or if he even knew or could read the runaway truck ramp sign, etc. I've read plenty of truckers' commentary on this, including those who drive that stretch weekly. From what I gather, all of their responses basically boil down to this: once the event started, he was screwed. It's not clear to me that his negligence extends beyond ignorance that lead to sheer terror and incompetent decision making once it went bad. If anyone here is a trucker w/ mountain experience, I'd be interested in hearing what someone of his training level could have done once the brakes failed, aside from crash.
Yes, I do believe consecutive sentencing is wrong when it essentially results in a life sentence, and even the judge agreed he thought the sentence was harsh but his hands were tied by the state laws. The dude was not high, drunk, and he cooperated post-crash. No criminal record, green card, barely spoke English.
Again, there are a lot of things I do not see clearly as proven which would make this a good sentence, and in light of that I simply must in conscience consider this sentence malicious. This was an emotionally charged, politically expedient case for the DA, much like the Rittenhouse trial and we saw how much BS took place in that.
Didnt that retard end 4 peoples lives?
When did Polis commute the 4 peoples deaths? IS someone going to notify their families that Polis is going to commute their death sentences and have them rise from the dead?
HE KILLED 4 PEOPLE by his reckless behavior.
People get more time for a single rape than this guy got after Polis was done.
Maybe next we should feel bad for Nathan Dunlap?
Odd argument... that negligence leading unintentionally to someone's death is worse than the sexual, physical, psychological violation of rape and that we should feel bad for someone who premeditated a multiple 1st degree murder scenario.
Try harder.
.455_Hunter
01-05-2022, 15:51
He had a series of cascading events which it is not clear he was trained in mitigating once it all went bad, or if he even knew or could read the runaway truck ramp sign, etc. I've read plenty of truckers' commentary on this, including those who drive that stretch weekly. From what I gather, all of their responses basically boil down to this: once the event started, he was screwed. It's not clear to me that his negligence extends beyond ignorance that lead to sheer terror and incompetent decision making once it went bad. If anyone here is a trucker w/ mountain experience, I'd be interested in hearing what someone of his training level could have done once the brakes failed, aside from crash.
He had problems with his brakes coming down from the top of Floyd Hill, and was witnessed to be speeding and driving erratically at that time. He then drove through the uphill and flat sections of the interstate near El Rancho and the Buffalo Overlook- HE COULD HAVE PULLED OFF AND STOPPED, but chose to start down Genesee.
He had a series of cascading events which it is not clear he was trained in mitigating once it all went bad, or if he even knew or could read the runaway truck ramp sign, etc. I've read plenty of truckers' commentary on this, including those who drive that stretch weekly. From what I gather, all of their responses basically boil down to this: once the event started, he was screwed. It's not clear to me that his negligence extends beyond ignorance that lead to sheer terror and incompetent decision making once it went bad. If anyone here is a trucker w/ mountain experience, I'd be interested in hearing what someone of his training level could have done once the brakes failed, aside from crash.
Yes, I do believe consecutive sentencing is wrong when it essentially results in a life sentence, and even the judge agreed he thought the sentence was harsh but his hands were tied by the state laws. The dude was not high, drunk, and he cooperated post-crash. No criminal record, green card, barely spoke English.
Again, there are a lot of things I do not see clearly as proven which would make this a good sentence, and in light of that I simply must in conscience consider this sentence malicious. This was an emotionally charged, politically expedient case for the DA, much like the Rittenhouse trial and we saw how much BS took place in that.
RTFB (read the fucin book)
All you do is read comments that agree with your opinion. You keep repeating you would like to see how this could be his fault because he can’t read that’s why they have universal pictures. Read the permit manual go back and read the whole transcript of the trial then come back and state your opinion until then [MOD EDIT: NOPE].
[MOD: I suppose we're past due on reminding folks to agree to disagree on other members posts and to always show respect to those members - PERIOD; EXCLAMATION POINT]
Bailey Guns
01-05-2022, 17:49
If anyone here is a trucker w/ mountain experience, I'd be interested in hearing what someone of his training level could have done once the brakes failed, aside from crash.
I drove a propane tanker and a bobtail on that stretch of interstate many times between 2011 and 2015 from one of our plants in Idaho Springs.
Truck driving 101. Slow down and down-shift to a low gear before you start going downhill on steep grades so the engine brake can set the speed of your truck. If he passed a test for a CDL-A in this country he was taught that. That's been said here over and over. That's as simple as it gets. Once you negligently start down that hill in a gear that's too high or without slowing down, and once your speed gets to a certain point, you're not gonna be able to stop or downshift. That's when you take one of the runaway ramps. Yes...it's that simple. You just have to do it. Thousands of inexperienced drivers navigate that stretch of road every week without killing 4 people because they do what they were taught to do and because they follow posted speed limits.
If you can't read traffic signs you shouldn't be driving.
I will say that, obviously, there are many others complicit in the deaths of these people for allowing that guy to get behind the wheel. That doesn't excuse him from what he did.
In my opinion the sentence was just regardless of how it makes anyone 'feel'. In my opinion Polis is pandering to popular opinion and his commutation of the sentence was wrong.
This was a failure that goes way beyond this guy's inability to control his truck and read English. This is a failure of our entire system that's far too progressive and permissive in terms of multi-culturalism and other trends. And I guarantee you after something like this it's gonna get worse instead of better and, ironically, this will be a catalyst for the "fix" that makes it worse. Everything except the problem will be blamed.
It's probably my fault somehow anyway because I'm an old, white, conservative male that has to have road signs printed in English instead of Spanish in order to get around the country.
hollohas
01-05-2022, 17:59
I tow a 37ft trailer through there frequently. Have for years. Downshift. Exhaust brake. Don't burn up your brakes. Use the runaway ramp if something goes wrong. Doesn't take a rocket scientist. Doesn't require English.
Regardless if we all agree on the sentence, should Polis have let the justice process work? Wait until an appeal can be reviewed? Gosh, I don't know, let the system do what it's designed to do to see if it actually ends up with such a long sentence at the end of the day?
Judge lets off a criminal with minimal sentence.
[public] OMG! Not right! Sentencing should be mandatory!
Truck driver wipes out lives. Mandatory sentencing says 100+ years.
[public] OMG! Not right! Mandatory sentencing is malicious and needs to be eliminated!
Liberal judge sentences prolific criminal to almost no time in jail.
[public] OMG! Not right!.........
Rinse. Repeat. Anyone who believes that legislation, if crafted by the "right people", will correctly apply in all cases that will be seen is a fruit loop. The law is never going to be the answer no matter how loud the public screams.
Sounds like a good excuse to bring back Cities of Refuge and the Laws of the Pursuer.
89065 United States sign
89066
Mexico sign they show either a car or a truck. So no excuse of not knowing what the sign means.
I don't know why Mexico road sign is relevant respect to US road sign? The dude never lived in Mexico.
He is from Cuba.
Eta with link
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/12/22/rogel-aguilera-mederos-prison-sentence-110-years-colorado-truck-driver-deadly-crash-interstate-70/
Reminds me of this.
https://youtu.be/xuP63Gf4oww
The road sign is relevant because no matter where he came from or what language he speaks, the road signs are universal. So there is no excuse because he can not read English road signs.
RblDiver
01-06-2022, 10:40
Do we now ruin a person’s life because he’s a fucking retard or doesn’t know what to do?
Knowing only what I've seen in this thread so far, considering he ruined 4 people's lives (directly, plus any indirect ruining like their loved ones etc)....yes!
clodhopper
01-06-2022, 11:20
In a different situation, the point of making an example of an offender to send a message to the rest of that industry is often employed and lauded. Why are things different in this case? In all fairness, I believe the company he was driving for is partly responsible for assigning him a mountain route if he is an inexperienced driver. That may still happen, we may not have gotten to that point yet. But if his sentence sends a message through the trucking industry that you better regularly improve your skills, then good.
Anyone who gets behind the wheel of a vehicle is responsible for the damage it may impose from their lack of skill. I have seen too many people driving down that grade with smoking brakes because they didnt know what they were doing. But, small car, so give them a pass? I dont think so.
Odd argument... that negligence leading unintentionally to someone's death is worse than the sexual, physical, psychological violation of rape and that we should feel bad for someone who premeditated a multiple 1st degree murder scenario.
Try harder.
He had many opportunities to make better choices. His initial choice, as described by witnesses, was speeding. He was breaking the law by speeding. That was the initial bad, illegal choice that lead to death.
Just as a street racer would be sentenced to a long prison if he killed 4 people, this guy made chocies. Many of them over a long period of time. He could have taken many of the truck ramps.
He was a criminal (and convicted one at that).
Many crimes dont have "intention" in them. The guy/gal that get drunk and kills someone, never intended to kill someone. The intended to have drinks. I doubt there is more than 1% of drunk drivers in prison that started out intending to kill their victims. 1% is generous. But it is still a crime.
An organization of CO DA's publishes a weekly e-mail series featuring linked articles of interest to their members. This week the organization linked the articles on the I-70 Crash Sentence including the one by the brother of one of the victims calling Jared Polis a 'despicable human being': Brother of I-70 crash victim blasts Gov. Polis for reducing sentence for Rogel Aguilera-Mederos. See link:https://denver.cbslocal.com/2022/01/03/brother-interstate-70-crash-victim-blasts-gov-jared-polis-reducing-sentence-rogel-aguilera-mederos/
The other article is one published by former DA Craig Silverman, a frequent conservative writer and commentator. While the organization's newsletter link doesn't imply endorsement of the content of the opinion piece it suggests to me that many prosecutors and judges don't think well of Governor Polis's usurpation of the legal process for cheap votes from social media crowd.
Read Craig Silverman's marvelous take on this: https://coloradosun.com/2022/01/03/silverman-mulligan-politics-opinion/
Craig Silverman is no conservative. He is about as liberal as it gets. I used to listen to him on the radio, and (probably shouldn't) follow him on twitter.
.455_Hunter
01-08-2022, 10:18
Did Kyle Clark actually do something useful...
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/tension-polis-victims-families-meeting-trucker-sentence-i-70/73-d4638657-c9bc-4e8a-b801-adf23582ee6a
The Colorado GOP will probably drop the ball on this, like they do everything else.
Dan Caplis, is all over this.
https://khow.iheart.com/featured/dan-caplis/
He is an ambulance chaser (forgive me, but it is true) and politically motivated (anti-abortion), and quite Catholic.
I was listening to him on the way home today, and he hopes this will blow up, and render Polis unelectable in (the next election.)
clodhopper
01-13-2022, 09:13
I cant listen to Caplis. Despite that I generally agree with his positions, I dislike his style and I get real sick of his war on weed that seems to dominate nearly every show. Gets old.
He makes money from calling weed smokers murderers.
Yeah, I should probably not listen to him any more. Got to be something else better (conservative) on the drive home.
hollohas
01-14-2022, 21:46
He makes money from calling weed smokers murderers.
Yeah, I should probably not listen to him any more. Got to be something else better (conservative) on the drive home.Not sure what time you drive home, but my drive home I listen to Jesse Kelly on Freedom 93.7. 4-7pm. Pretty entertaining.
clodhopper
01-15-2022, 10:01
Not sure what time you drive home, but my drive home I listen to Jesse Kelly on Freedom 93.7. 4-7pm. Pretty entertaining.
This. Jesse is a riot. If I am headed home later I catch Joe Pags.
Caplis and Sean Hannity both put on shows that I dont find interesting. Anymore I flip the station if either of them are on. Never could get into Michael Savage either.
Martinjmpr
01-15-2022, 10:17
I always liked Hugh Hewitt, used to listen to him driving home until he switched to mornings some time around 2015 or so. Unlike a lot of other conservative talk show hosts, Hewitt was never a "screamer" and always comes across very level headed.
BPTactical
01-16-2022, 08:46
Lady Justice wears a blindfold.
It slipped this time and she looked left.
Lady Justice wears a blindfold.
It slipped this time and she looked left.
The only reason lady justice wears a blindfold is because she's in the middle of some S&M stuff with the judicial. Handcuffed and whipped, the whole works.
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